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BABARR
PARABELUM-Project
Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2015.12.05 21:54:08 -
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Base speed is too much, stop kidding CCP....
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Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
88
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Posted - 2015.12.06 11:30:39 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Kirin
Let us know what you think!
Since SiSi has confirmed that these new T2 frigates are based on the T1 Logi frigate hulls, there's something you should be made aware of.
In the Kamokor system in Lonetrek is a Data Center for the Caldari State, where several agents can be found. One of them (Korhonomi Oti) is in-space in a Bantam.
Except it's a T2 Bantam and it's called a Sparrow, not a Kirin.
He's been there, in that same Sparrow, since I started playing in 2007, probably longer. Back then the ship had the Lai Dai paintjob, but it lost that skin a couple of graphical overhauls ago.
Go and have a look. I just did, and he's still there.
This leaves CCP with two choices: Either to change the agent's ship class to a Kirin, or rename the Kirin ships to Sparrow. The latter makes sense because it's a small bird, when many Caldari vessels are already named after birds, and the T1 > T2 progression is from one small bird (the Bantam) to another (the Sparrow), while the Kirin is a mythological quadruped of an inappropriate size.
But knowing CCP's level of competence, the Kirin will probably prevail.
Please bring the Sparrow into EVE in the role it's always intended to be. Use the Kirin name for a later ship class (preferably something bigger than a tiny frigate!) |
Eodp Ellecon
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
27
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Posted - 2015.12.07 00:16:29 -
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Rowells wrote:Eodp Ellecon wrote:Rowells wrote:Z1gy wrote:which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it. While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier. So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor. The question is will it be right on patch day. They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to. It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design. Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be.
Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2857
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Posted - 2015.12.07 02:28:11 -
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Eodp Ellecon wrote:Rowells wrote:Eodp Ellecon wrote:Rowells wrote:Z1gy wrote:which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it. While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier. So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor. The question is will it be right on patch day. They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to. It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design. Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be. Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body.
the nemesis has been on the tristan line since way before crius. They didnt move it anywhere for that. They updated the nemesis model when inferno brought missile launcher models, and they updated the tristan last year along with some other skins and such. The purifier has been based off of the Inquisitor hull, since before the inquisitor was a logistics frigate.
What purpose would moving the purifier from the inquisitor do? It's surely not the first hull to have 2 T2 variants from it. You say it's "needed", but why is it really needed? Is there some sort of downside to having it the way it is? Or, what benefit would switching the hulls have?
but, then again, I was answering the question of what they were based from, not why they should be changed or remain the same. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
1330
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Posted - 2015.12.08 03:12:40 -
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Eodp Ellecon wrote:Rowells wrote:Eodp Ellecon wrote:Rowells wrote:Z1gy wrote:which t1 ships CCP gonna based the t2 hull from ? it was not mentioned in the OP from the T1 logi versions. SISI models reflect it. While this is a snappy player answer, it's still not a Dev answer, which I asked on page 2....the Amarrian T1 Logi = Inquisitor that bpc's to invention of the Amarrian T2 Bomber = Purifier. So either they need to spec out the Logi to Logi invention by moving the Purifier to another hull, in all likelihood - Tormentor. The question is will it be right on patch day. They would also need to change the gallente BPC too. And since gallente have no missile ships, there is no 'sensible' ship to change it to. It is as it has been for years, and I see no reason why it would need to change suddenly. Bombers are special outliers in their design. Wait for a dev tag if you want, but that's likely how it's going to be. Actually they don't have to for the Gallente. T1 Navitas bpo/bpc path is clear. They moved the bomber off it back at least as far as Crius to the Tristan when they updated the body.
you do understand that a t1 bpo can be researched into more than one type of t2 bpc right?
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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soranno
14th Legion
The Bloc
37
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Posted - 2015.12.12 10:45:15 -
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Makes no sense to me that these are prevented from entering FW small plexes.
Assuming it was just an oversight, and not a bizarre decision, I hope it wont take weeks to fix it. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
551
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Posted - 2015.12.16 03:24:08 -
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this fix doesnt take 6 months to work out. t2 logi frigates in fw in the small.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Careless Bears LLC
53
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Posted - 2015.12.18 09:42:16 -
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The deacon looks like the inquisitor.
The purifier is also based off of the inquisitor.
Clearly the purifier is out of place right?
Wrong.
Before the Retribution release, the Inquisitor was a combat frigate with a bonus to missile damage.
With the first grand round of tiericide, the old mining/logi hybrid frigates and cruisers were totally redone.
The navitas lost its mining bonus and gained armor repair.
The burst lost its mining bonus and gained shield repair.
The bantam lost its mining bonus and gained shield repair.
The tormentor lost its mining bonus and gained small energy turret cap usage and damage.
Well that makes sense right?
I complained then (not on the forums), and I'll complain now.
Let us a raise a glass of good rum to the Li'l Missile Murder Frig that never got the chance. |
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