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Kira Kaliandra Prosperitas INC 7	Posted - 2015.11.27 05:05:48 - [1] - Quote Long story short, I'm on a mission, a mission of peace and ... I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. I want to convince him to give it a shot (i do think he will like it) but my usual attempts have failed so far! Look at the title, read it and tell me, why should he play eve online? Maybe with your help ill manage to "recruit" him to the dark side.
Zerinia Alliance of Free Stars 46	Posted - 2015.11.27 05:27:17 - [2] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: Long story short, I'm on a mission, a mission of peace and ... I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. I want to convince him to give it a shot (i do think he will like it) but my usual attempts have failed so far! Look at the title, read it and tell me, why should he play eve online? Maybe with your help ill manage to "recruit" him to the dark side. Same situation w/ a friend of mine. Game crashed twice before he could finish character creation. He never came back. I think he dodged a bullet.
Ranzabar Ratio 1.618 Corp 126	Posted - 2015.11.27 06:11:13 - [3] - Quote You have to be a special kind of lunatic to get into Eve. I fully qualify. Maybe he's sane? Abide
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 760	Posted - 2015.11.27 06:28:04 - [4] - Quote Plain and simple, eve is a social game. It is a game that you can just sit down, and do stuff with friends in game or ones you know in real life. It's pace is set by you, it's victories are set by you. So why play eve? Cause you can play it your way. It is a social game. Eve has it's flaws, but with the sheer level of changing and updates, it is getting very good and for the better. The tough part is integrating the new play with old veterans and opening it up more to having a stream of new players entering the fold. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8997	Posted - 2015.11.27 06:39:19 - [5] - Quote "Has you ever teamed up with someone and wanted to stab them in-game after 5 minutes? EVE Online will let you do that... one way or another." "Tired of 'twitch games'? Want to beat people into frothing fits of angst with nothing more than your cunning? Try EVE Online today! Learn how the game works and use it against people!" "Tired of contemporary games where one level 100 player can nuke one hundred level 1 players? Try EVE online! Get a bunch of friends and swarm that ***** in the shinies zergling style!!" "Want to play a game where there are multiple avenues to avoid grinding? Strap on a bannana hammock and give EVE Online a try tonight! T'ain't no rules sayin ya can't shake a lil somethan' an get slipped a lil somethan back!" "Tired of two-dimensional games where everyone is the 'hero' and on a never ending quest to save your girlfriend? Try EVE Online; the ultimate multi-faceted economic war simulator rat-race! You build to destroy, you destroy to build, you build to harvest, you harvest to build, and you build some more, and then destroy everyone else's efforts to build before they do it to you!!" "Strap yourself into a frigate you piece of amphibian ** and LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE!!" How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1029	Posted - 2015.11.27 07:04:03 - [6] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: Long story short, I'm on a mission, a mission of peace and ... I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. I want to convince him to give it a shot (i do think he will like it) but my usual attempts have failed so far! Look at the title, read it and tell me, why should he play eve online? Maybe with your help ill manage to "recruit" him to the dark side. I guess if you fit his ship stay at high sec you tank and he do dps i think he will like it. Some friends found that to. The got bored pretty fast in eve. So i`m alone again. I guess eve is not for every one most people want 24/7 adrenaline rush but i do not. If he wants trill than this game is not his cup of tea. He wants a relaxes and very deep game play with allot of uhm "surprises" than this is the game. And he needs to love space or this will just not cut it. A few answer and question will help to. My wife got she hates the game but she loves the marketing -_-" so yeah, you got my drift there? Now she do all the transaction (contracts and that kind of stuff) will i do the pve lp farmings and other stuff.
Yang Aurilen TunDraGon Project.Mayhem. 991	Posted - 2015.11.27 07:05:16 - [7] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: "Tired of two-dimensional games where everyone is the 'hero' and on a never ending quest to save your girlfriend? Damsel in Distress says SAVE ME! SAVE ME! Apply now to your nearest agent to save the Damsel in Distress. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Kaybella Hakaari State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.11.27 07:10:33 - [8] - Quote In EVE, you get to make the damsel's distress even more acute if you want to. Or be the damsel and shoot the guy who thinks you need rescuing, that works too.
Tiddle Jr Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 653	Posted - 2015.11.27 08:53:34 - [9] - Quote Space dictator, Dramma's Queen, Trolliing, Scamming, Smack talking, Sociopathism, Giving multiple foucks, Sheeting out into other faces... I would personally recommend your friend go start this game flying with goons. He will be good after sometimes.
Robert Warner Back Door Burglars The Otherworld 153	Posted - 2015.11.27 10:57:17 - [10] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: Long story short, I'm on a mission, a mission of peace and ... I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. I want to convince him to give it a shot (i do think he will like it) but my usual attempts have failed so far! Look at the title, read it and tell me, why should he play eve online? Maybe with your help ill manage to "recruit" him to the dark side. Your friend should play EVE because it's the most cutthroat, anarchistic political power play roller coaster out there! EVE favours the smart, the sneaky, the organised and the charismatic. It gives us a free universe to be who we want to be and the opportunity to learn about how we respond to the actions of others in a lawless society. Eve teaches us about how humans respond in a dystopia where we all are invincible and primal desires such as greed and power are the aspirations of the masses, achieved through competing, forming uneasy alliances, subterfuge and economics. Eve is an MMO unlike any other: a universe where the fittest survive and flourish. The meek must overcome their inhibitions to become strong, or forever be consigned to a life of servitude or exile. p.s. This coffee is really good!
Bastion Arzi Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit 301	Posted - 2015.11.27 11:16:52 - [11] - Quote does ur friend know how frakin awesome it is when scouts are reporting intel over comms and u and ur compadres co-ordinate and organise a gang on a ship or another gang. such a satisfying pop when they go down. ice cream on top if u get the pod. does ur friend know the feeling of ur heart beat becoming an audible sound in ur ears as u punch a plex gate wondering how ur target is fit. does ur friend know how awesome it is when the spoils of ur pvp fund more pvp? does ur friend know the awesomeness of being hunted but being too on the ball for ur enemy to catch u. does ur friend know how awesome it is when u land a massive bump on a target so it cant get back to gate or dock? there is so much to learn and do in eve. i cant recommend the game enough. yesterday i learned that u can redeem items from in game without having to quit out to the log in screen. Little tidbits of info like this i come across frequently. as i said before so much to learn and do. /taken from one of my previous posts. i know. but seems to fit here well so.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 234	Posted - 2015.11.27 11:35:39 - [12] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: . And he needs to love space or this will just not cut it. I think a lot of players still prefer a character rather than just a ship (which doesn't even stay constant), I generally prefer melee weapons in hand. Although you could say the ships are the armor, but the combat is all range, either short or long. Although, I do tend to prefer sandbox type games, but these seem to be limited. Problem with a lot of MMO's (from my perspective) is they're going more and more theme park, so getting less attractive.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12874	Posted - 2015.11.27 12:18:22 - [13] - Quote This is one of the few games that allows for a predator role. Come hunt your fellow man. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9348	Posted - 2015.11.27 13:17:06 - [14] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: This is one of the few games that allows for a predator role. Come hunt your fellow man. "He was after the most challenging prey of all...MAN" Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Indahmawar Fazmarai 4204	Posted - 2015.11.27 13:58:34 - [15] - Quote If he's a friend, why do you want him to play EVE? CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 335	Posted - 2015.11.27 15:26:42 - [16] - Quote Anyone can win this game on day one of playing. I've been playing since 2008, just got my first account ban last weekend, so I made a brand new alt to start over. I trained just a few skills to do some trading to make some isk and a few skills to gank some ships. In my first few hours of playing I made over 100mil isk, which I think is good, and ganked over 100mil worth. I'm not saying everyone should be as aggressive playing, but it's pretty easy to be. So that's why you should play eve. It's easy to win and fun.
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 61	Posted - 2015.11.27 15:49:59 - [17] - Quote Quote: 28. Ban evasion is prohibited. Forum suspensions and bans are issued when a user grossly violates the forum rules. While they are rarely issued, they are applied with the communityGÇÖs best interests in mind. Attempts to bypass a suspension or ban via the use of alternate accounts will result in additional action, and in some instances may result in the permanent revocation of forum posting privileges across all accounts. Similarly, having another forum user post on your behalf if you are unable to do so may result in an extension of your suspension or ban, as well as the user who does so also receiving similar reprimand regardless of their warning history. I have deleted a post for the above reason. Ban evasion is a serious violation of the EULA and TOS. ISD Max Trix Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 481	Posted - 2015.11.27 20:11:36 - [18] - Quote Unfortunately, EVE has a well-earned reputation as a place where only unscrupulous gankers have a hope to succeed, and no one is eager to run in here and be victimized by people better equipped with nothing better to do than to brutalize and rob them for lulz. That's the nature of "enlightened self interest" or what gankers like to call "risk aversity" (ROFL, that still slays me, risk aversity, someone's brain was on overtime to dream that one up.) Anyway. The other two complaints are it's believed to be a "spreadsheet" game, which is really few people's idea of fun, and to crown the cupcake, it's "boring." I've heard all three of these, however, where the last two used to be the only reasons, now the first one has taken a tremendous lead - I'm not paying to be someone else's whipping boy. CCP seems to be fine with its income, so it's doubtful their leaning toward a thin minority's LOUD screeching about so-called PvP (but actually ganking) will ever be changed. Therefore the set of reasons "most" people avoid this game will remain the same. Eventually, however, the fact it's software is antiquated is going to pick up steam - pardon the pun. This isn't so difficult to understand, is it - I know the gankers have it in their interest to claim it IS, but we all (being HONEST about it) know better. May the spew begin. Paranoia strikes deep....
Bastion Arzi Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit 301	Posted - 2015.11.27 20:17:42 - [19] - Quote i got 4 solo kills today and i didnt get ganked. though i did check dscan at some point during most the engagements.
lost packet Alpha Flight 74	Posted - 2015.11.27 21:01:20 - [20] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. There are other games like EVE? Wait, someone told me EVE is real? Thought it was CCP tbh. Doesn't sound like he actually likes games like EVE does it?
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 336	Posted - 2015.11.27 22:06:40 - [21] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: [quote] Derp. Wat is ban? How do mod? I wasn't evading ban. I was account banned not ip banned and the ban was lifted because I was banned for something I was reported for but didn't actually do.
Verana Elspeth Ministry of War Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.11.27 22:13:19 - [22] - Quote He should play EVE Online so that he can bare witness to the glorious CODE \o/
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.11.28 00:17:37 - [23] - Quote I've asked myself that a couple of times since I've been playing Fallout 4... and to be honest I couldn't come up with an answer
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1142	Posted - 2015.11.28 00:35:47 - [24] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: This is one of the few games that allows for a predator role. Come hunt your fellow man. "He was after the most challenging prey of all...MAN" Dude...i don't want to sound politically incorrect ot nothin, but that sounds pretty fabulous. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Solai Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos 306	Posted - 2015.11.28 01:36:36 - [25] - Quote Buy 20 frigates. Fit all 20. Sub another account. Tell your friend to log in. Give him 10 of your ships. Undock and duel each other for a while. At least this way, you can get him straight at the action. And if the action isn't what he's most interested in, then figure out what he would enjoy out of the game, and guide him through that instead. Or you can lure him in with a plan. Tell him what you'd like to do in game with him. A heist? Lead battles? Corner the market? Plant him as a long-term spy? Make a plan, with him in it, and tell him how it could go down. Give him some material to read or watch to get him interested, like this https://www.themittani.com/features/largest-virtual-battle-ever?nopaging=1 or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O56g8KC6CM or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0 There's a lot of material out there to amp people up. If he declines when presented all this sort of thing, then that's that.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6472	Posted - 2015.11.28 02:07:53 - [26] - Quote Removed a post discussing moderation. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 487	Posted - 2015.11.29 03:25:20 - [27] - Quote Verana Elspeth wrote: He should play EVE Online so that he can bare witness to the glorious CODE \o/ Pretty funny, both the usage and coming from CODE. Bare witness? It's "bear" witness, as in "carry the word." Unless, of course you think bear could only mean that fuzzy thing you sleep with. chuckle Paranoia strikes deep....
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 208	Posted - 2015.11.29 05:19:37 - [28] - Quote for the lolz Just Add Water
lost packet Alpha Flight 76	Posted - 2015.11.29 12:56:51 - [29] - Quote Otso Bakarti wrote: Verana Elspeth wrote: He should play EVE Online so that he can bare witness to the glorious CODE \o/ Pretty funny, both the usage and coming from CODE. Bare witness? It's "bear" witness, as in "carry the word." Unless, of course you think bear could only mean that fuzzy thing you sleep with. chuckle Maybe he is trying to encourage more people to play EVE naked? Most people do right?
Lulu Lunette Akheteru Integrated Astrometrics Hedonistic Imperative 122	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:38:33 - [30] - Quote Having someone to play with would be awesome! @lunettelulu7 Call me for your combat booster needs
Merovee Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor 167	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:21:41 - [31] - Quote Pay for his ships and skills, do level 4 missions till he learns to fight, set up a base near 0.0 and start hauling out the cheap battle cruisers, attack. Hmm good advice. Empire, the next new world order.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2015.11.29 22:39:22 - [32] - Quote lost packet wrote: Otso Bakarti wrote: Verana Elspeth wrote: He should play EVE Online so that he can bare witness to the glorious CODE \o/ Pretty funny, both the usage and coming from CODE. Bare witness? It's "bear" witness, as in "carry the word." Unless, of course you think bear could only mean that fuzzy thing you sleep with. chuckle Maybe he is trying to encourage more people to play EVE naked? Most people do right? It won't let us. That's probably a good thing. If it let us fly naked, most of us would be. A signature :o
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 77	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:33:28 - [33] - Quote One of my friends kinda wants to try and play, and yet, he still doesn't want to. It's the pure sandbox that kills it for him I think, the lack of goals served by the game, the expectancy that he sets his own goals fully. I do believe that a sandpark model would make our friends join us in the game.

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1738	Posted - 2015.11.30 00:12:39 - [34] - Quote Logan Revelore wrote: One of my friends kinda wants to try and play, and yet, he still doesn't want to. It's the pure sandbox that kills it for him I think, the lack of goals served by the game, the expectancy that he sets his own goals fully. I do believe that a sandpark model would make our friends join us in the game. Tell him I gave him a goal. Kill them all. CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 781	Posted - 2015.11.30 00:24:43 - [35] - Quote CCP Darwin wrote: Logan Revelore wrote: One of my friends kinda wants to try and play, and yet, he still doesn't want to. It's the pure sandbox that kills it for him I think, the lack of goals served by the game, the expectancy that he sets his own goals fully. I do believe that a sandpark model would make our friends join us in the game. Tell him I gave him a goal. Kill them all. Promoting awox. For shame. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Pryce Caesar Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 24	Posted - 2015.11.30 03:59:51 - [36] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: Long story short, I'm on a mission, a mission of peace and ... I said short story, so, I've got a friend who likes games such as EVE but for some reason he doesnt want to at least try this. I want to convince him to give it a shot (i do think he will like it) but my usual attempts have failed so far! Look at the title, read it and tell me, why should he play eve online? Maybe with your help ill manage to "recruit" him to the dark side. The Plan to Recruit Friends Step 1: Create a Corp for you and your friend(s) in High-Sec, or invite them to a Corp you are already in. When they sign into the game for the free trial, invite them to your Corp. You will be able to show them the basic ropes of Eve Online in High-Sec, and help them get on their own two feet. There are many Corps in EVE built around helping newcomers get on their feet, and interacting with the Corps members will make them more at ease in the Eve Universe. Step 2: Advise them to run the Career Agent Missions first. They will be able to familiarize themselves with the basic mechanics of Eve Online, and help them decide how they want to play the game of Eve Online. Step 3: Familiarize them with the various skills of EVE Online. It can be too easy to train skills that you may no longer use in the distant future, so help them organize a skill plan that fits what they want to do in EVE Online. Step 4: Run Missions together until they can start flying on their own. Missions will help give them on-hands experience, build up ISK, and give them an idea of how battles in Eve work and the skills required to fight effectively. That is pretty much the purpose of missions in High-Sec outside of money-making: familiarizing characters with the skills required to maximize their efficiency in the field they want to participate in. That is my advice, at the very least. The rest will all depend on whether or not they want to continue playing by the time their trial period starts to run out. I am a full-time fighter and part-time miner, personally, so I wouldn't know what to suggest (yet) if they want to go into business and become a tycoon in the Eve market. Tell your friend that EVE Online is a social game, where the key to success is as much about working with other people as it is working on your own. As long as you are there supporting them in their earliest days and later on, I do believe you can get your friend to like the game.
Paul Pohl blue media poetry 35	Posted - 2015.11.30 04:22:24 - [37] - Quote a) because it is beautiful b) it's not the game you think it is - or doesn't have to be c) for all it's faults, it's still here - which kind of proves both a and b correct I'd advise just getting your friend to try the game, not overly coaching them and see where it goes....
Kira Kaliandra Prosperitas INC 10	Posted - 2015.11.30 04:52:24 - [38] - Quote Hey guys, thanks a bunch for all the replies! I think im starting to have some success, he is slowly giving in!!
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15290	Posted - 2015.11.30 05:32:10 - [39] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: CCP Darwin wrote: Logan Revelore wrote: One of my friends kinda wants to try and play, and yet, he still doesn't want to. It's the pure sandbox that kills it for him I think, the lack of goals served by the game, the expectancy that he sets his own goals fully. I do believe that a sandpark model would make our friends join us in the game. Tell him I gave him a goal. Kill them all. Promoting awox. For shame. Shame nothing. That (was) one of the most iconic acts in EVE Online. It defined our game and who we are as players better than pretty much everything else. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1269	Posted - 2015.11.30 06:31:58 - [40] - Quote Because Star Citizen is still in early alpha, and Tranquility has another year or so before its a ghost town (mostly unrelated). Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Atum' Ra Nomen-illis-Legio Legion of xXDEATHXx 97	Posted - 2015.11.30 09:34:16 - [41] - Quote Cool graphics, which no one can enjoy because the camera is always at the maximum distance. Instead ships only icons. The almost complete lack of logic and physics in mechanics and balance. Because Eve is Excel with graphical user interface. I (we) play because nobody has done something better. That's why Eva is the best!
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 517	Posted - 2015.11.30 18:36:59 - [42] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: Hey guys, thanks a bunch for all the replies! I think im starting to have some success, he is slowly giving in!! That's great! Pretty soon, he'll be doing the new craze that has taken over all of Eve Online! PvL (Player v. Login) Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 782	Posted - 2015.11.30 18:51:55 - [43] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Shame nothing. That (was) one of the most iconic acts in EVE Online. It defined our game and who we are as players better than pretty much everything else. Funny you say that. In corp killing was a pivotal part of my getting locked into eve. I was just teasing ccp, since this is eve. When I was noob, had a corp killer get in. People ranted and whined. I got into a tackle griffin and shouted charge! First pvp as well as I got final blow, in a pod no less. Awox deatt with, it was awesome and to this day has created a unique perspective for how I view eve and the important role new players could have in combat without negating value and importance of veterans and sp To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 782	Posted - 2015.11.30 18:54:44 - [44] - Quote Separate point, eve trial accounts. Free to try and the trial limitations really arent that big of a deal. Feel free to poke me, USTZ, if friend wants to see more of eve. I stand by that to best enjoy eve, remember it is an experience, not just a game. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Malbona Pomon Petulant Luddite GmbH 7	Posted - 2015.11.30 19:12:13 - [45] - Quote Nobody plays EvE, you ARE EvE.
Kira Kaliandra Prosperitas INC 10	Posted - 2015.12.01 04:52:09 - [46] - Quote So ummm, it turns out that the only reason he is not willing to try eve (YET) is because he is afraid!! Afraid that he might like the game and that he might get sort of like, addicted to it and then cant stop playing it (apprently this has happened before, lose all self control and just play the game, screw life ) ... Well, i think i hit a brick wall with this.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 787	Posted - 2015.12.01 04:56:13 - [47] - Quote To be honest, the latter is a very valid point. Eve's pacing really makes it easy to spend long periods of time doing absolutely nothing. In an old corp I ran, we could spend hours just mining. Without the hard set start and end pointls, you just keep going until "look at the time!" I can really respect a person that can acknowledge this. Perhaps is best then. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Pryce Caesar Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 25	Posted - 2015.12.01 05:19:25 - [48] - Quote Kira Kaliandra wrote: So ummm, it turns out that the only reason he is not willing to try eve (YET) is because he is afraid!! Afraid that he might like the game and that he might get sort of like, addicted to it and then cant stop playing it (apprently this has happened before, lose all self control and just play the game, screw life ) ... Well, i think i hit a brick wall with this. Well, that is an understandable fear. One way to help him escape this fear is to place a set goal for every time he goes to play the game, or a standard amount of time to play the game. He should make sure he adheres to that time, and he should be all set to go, adjusting what he does in that amount of time as his character's skills grow. A while back, when I wasn't too busy, I made it my goal to accumulate close to 100 million ISK per day (since I fly in Null-Sec and run Anomalies, that basically amounts to three Havens for 40 minutes each on average). Nowadays I just run one Haven per day and then salvage the wrecks (I'm storing up for a Citadel ), after which I am finished playing for the day. My goal back then was to get enough ISK to buy PLEX to extend my play-time beyond my initial subscription (and to multi-train my one alt). Of course, you need a good enough ship with the proper bonuses and skills trained to manage that sort of pay out in that time-frame (much less fly a Haven), and I'm still training a skill set to allow me to optimize my Haven running and make them go even faster. As Markus Reese said, it is easy to lose track of time in the rabbit hole of the EVE Wonderland, so the best advice to give him would be to set himself a set amount of time to play the game per day (or every other day) and a set goal of what to achieve in that time frame. An hour at minimum and two hours at maximum per day should do it.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 787	Posted - 2015.12.01 06:03:33 - [49] - Quote Timer alarm is a good one as well. Nice thing is you really can just log off anywhere. Decide a max time, log in, start timer, it goes, time to finish up and call it. Well, you know your friend better than we do, so either way, best of luck To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

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