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Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Dragy on 13/01/2007 01:07:38 Was like, haven't used those new missiles. Heard that they're doing lot's of damage, let's check it out. Calculations : Quote: "Dmg mod"=1,25(heavy missile skill)1,1(warhear upgrades)1,25(cerb bonus)=1,71875 Single rocket=120(fury)1,71875=206,25 dmg ... not bad, let's see rof Rof=6,4(heavy a. rof)0,85(rapid firing)0,75(cerb skill)0,9(spec skill)=3,672 .... soemthing ain't right. DPS (without calculating reloading time in) =206,25/3,672*5(launchers) ... =280dps okie, i understand that i can fit 2 dmg mods and get it higher, but it ain't so supreme imo as others were saying. And a q to you guys. You think that flying other races ships is honorable ? Or you often break this rule, cause you heard that some ship just pwns (like pilgrim/curse) ?
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:20:00 - [2] I fly amarr whether they happen to suck that month/year or not. My favorite combo is fly amarr on TQ while saying they suck on the forums at the same time
Kazender Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.13 01:24:00 - [3] I fly caldari, gallente and amarr ... mostly amarr though tbh ------------------------------------------------ The purpose of life: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentation of their women.
Sagnius	Posted - 2007.01.13 03:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Sagnius on 13/01/2007 02:57:41 Originally by: Dragy Edited by: Dragy on 13/01/2007 01:07:38 Was like, haven't used those new missiles. Heard that they're doing lot's of damage, let's check it out. Calculations : Quote: "Dmg mod"=1,25(heavy missile skill)1,1(warhear upgrades)1,25(cerb bonus)=1,71875 Single rocket=120(fury)1,71875=206,25 dmg ... not bad, let's see rof Rof=6,4(heavy a. rof)0,85(rapid firing)0,75(cerb skill)0,9(spec skill)=3,672 .... soemthing ain't right. DPS (without calculating reloading time in) =206,25/3,672*5(launchers) ... =280dps okie, i understand that i can fit 2 dmg mods and get it higher, but it ain't so supreme imo as others were saying. And a q to you guys. You think that flying other races ships is honorable ? Or you often break this rule, cause you heard that some ship just pwns (like pilgrim/curse) ? you forgot missile launcher op, 2% per lvl i think to ROF Edit: and warhead upgrades, 2% damage per lvl
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 10:36:00 - [5] Aye, only forgot about missile launcher operation. So the dps with max skills would be 300 without any dmg mod. So every calculation is right :( ? So if i'm caldari i can train normally other races, and it's still an honorable task, aye ? And do you prefer training only for ships you like or specing in the whole race ?
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.13 10:40:00 - [6] A beam zealot with 2 damage mods do about 280 DPS, and a rail astarte without damage mod is at something like 300 DPS (T1 ammos in both cases). 300 DPS for an heavy assault cerberus sound fine... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 10:51:00 - [7] Why don't you want to type examples of short, more damaging guns ? zealot with pulses and astarte with neutrons ? Heavy assault launchers are short ranged, u know.
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:36:00 - [8] anyone ?
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:55:00 - [9] 312 kinetic dps without damagemods. At 30k. With 2 damagemods thats 458 dps. The only HAC which beats this at this range is an Ishtar with 5 ogre2. Zealot with 4 HPs and conflag has 281 dps without damagemods. At 11k. Deimos with 5 neutrons and void has 384 dps without damagemods. At 3.4k. Plus 160 dps from 5 hammer2.
Mastin Dragonfly Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Dragy So if i'm caldari i can train normally other races, and it's still an honorable task, aye ? And do you prefer training only for ships you like or specing in the whole race ? There are roleplay orientated players who won't crosstrain, but there are plenty more ppl who do. In generally: do what you like, Eve is all about freedom.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Dragy And a q to you guys. You think that flying other races ships is honorable ? Or you often break this rule, cause you heard that some ship just pwns (like pilgrim/curse) ? I don't think it's dishonourable to cross train, go for it if you feel like it. I just prefer not to do so myself(so far), some people train multiple races so they can just use the flavour of the month, their choice. A bit boring though imo . Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Dragy And a q to you guys. You think that flying other races ships is honorable ? Or you often break this rule, cause you heard that some ship just pwns (like pilgrim/curse) ? I don't think it's dishonourable to cross train, go for it if you feel like it. I just prefer not to do so myself(so far), some people train multiple races so they can just use the flavour of the month, their choice. A bit boring though imo . Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Aramendel 312 kinetic dps without damagemods. At 30k. With 2 damagemods thats 458 dps. The only HAC which beats this at this range is an Ishtar with 5 ogre2. Zealot with 4 HPs and conflag has 281 dps without damagemods. At 11k. Deimos with 5 neutrons and void has 384 dps without damagemods. At 3.4k. Plus 160 dps from 5 hammer2. With perfect skills the deimos has like 607 dps from guns with 3 dmg mods. Now i must say that i didn't think this way ... So with 3 dmg mods a cerberus won't have 607 dps, but something like 500 dps, cause of lower "dmg mod" on missiles. So caldari aren't interested in pure damage, but with also nice tanking capabilities ? Better than gallente ? I'm asking all those questions, because i'd like to finally know what to skill for in 2 weeks
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Dragy With perfect skills the deimos has like 607 dps from guns with 3 dmg mods. Now i must say that i didn't think this way ... So with 3 dmg mods a cerberus won't have 607 dps, but something like 500 dps, cause of lower "dmg mod" on missiles. So caldari aren't interested in pure damage, but with also nice tanking capabilities ? Better than gallente ? I'm asking all those questions, because i'd like to finally know what to skill for in 2 weeks Yes, but the Cerberus can project that 500 odd DPS a good 30km. The Deimos has to get right up your arse before it can hit for full damage. (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:11:00 - [15] Exactly. And also has to web you because with the tracking malus of void it will get an high amount of misses if your target can get any meaningful transversal. And there's the thing that missiles do not need any cap.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Dragy And a q to you guys. You think that flying other races ships is honorable ? Or you often break this rule, cause you heard that some ship just pwns (like pilgrim/curse) ? I don't think it's dishonourable to cross train, go for it if you feel like it. I just prefer not to do so myself(so far), some people train multiple races so they can just use the flavour of the month, their choice. A bit boring though imo . I don't crosstrain to use the FOTM, I crosstrain cuz i like to be able to fly any ship when i feel like it =) (within the boundries of reality ofcourse =P)
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:18:00 - [17] The dps of the cerb is calculated with heavy assualt launchers or heavy missile launchers ? So their only disadvantage is having not many med slots for tackling and higher mass, aye ?
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:15:00 - [18] Damn you caldari ! I hate you, and never liked your ships! Switching skill training to gallente cruiser lvl5. Thx for help guys
teth'eala Caldari Grey Scribes Inc	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Dragy Damn you caldari ! I hate you, and never liked your ships! Switching skill training to gallente cruiser lvl5. Thx for help guys thanks a lot for posting this. I was trying to make future plans for either the cerb or deimos pvp(i cross trained because the blinking uneveness of caldari ships was irritating) do you have a loved one that's playing wow? give them a hug and tell tham that if they need a real mmo they can look no farther than eve
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:05:00 - [20] I laugh that people are using the Cerb as the reason cald ships are unbalanced. I had a Cerb and sold it because it was a worthless ship. The Drake outclasses it big time... the Cerb is a 2nd rate ship these days. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:13:00 - [21] No caldari ship policy ! Even if i die in my deimos, i will die with honor and joy ! All this cause i was honored to fly this ship, it doesn't matter that there are better, this is my deimos
Jehovah Cooper Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.14 05:18:00 - [22] You realize Deimos has one of the longest gripe threads on all of Eve-O for a single ship right? Its a classic that spans at least two expansions iirc. I cba to find it for you but good reading there. I started a similiar thread earlier this weekend cause I'm having trouble deciding which Cruiser V to train. I've already cross-trained Caldari/Gallente a bit and fly mostly the Thorax but I'm still undecided about Deimos. Probably I will train Gallente but more because of Astarte than Deimos. Deimos is the slowest HAC, has largest sig radius. Yes it does amazing DPS but it basically has to land on its target to do that. What the Cerb can do is really amazing, very versatile. Until you've seen a nano-cerb wreaking havoc on your gang or one tanking a lvl 4 WC you may not fully appreciate what all it can do. I've just invested far more SP in gunnery than missles so Cerb isn't really high on my list atm is all.
OrangeAfroMan Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.14 07:54:00 - [23] Do Amarr Cruiser V. My alt did and I'm glad. Curse + Pilgrim + Zealot > all.
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.14 11:18:00 - [24] Maybe Deimos is fragile, but it'll be my Deimos! And i can get myself ishtar and other useful ships then. Orange, wanna bet that noone of your beloved ships will win vs an Eos ?
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2007.01.14 11:26:00 - [25] Train Gallente AND Caldari cruiser to V. Only one dilemma left.... which one first.
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:37:00 - [26] If i wanted to think this way i'd need to train all cruiser's lvl5 Amarr for their recons Caldari for cerb Gallente for Eos, Deimos, Ishtar Minmatar for Sleipnir, Claymore
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Dragy If i wanted to think this way i'd need to train all cruiser's lvl5 Amarr for their recons Caldari for cerb Gallente for Eos, Deimos, Ishtar Minmatar for Sleipnir, Claymore How the hell did you forget to mention the vagabond Amarr for zealot, recons, absolution and for supertanking sac Caldari for cerb, nighthawk, recon (highskilled ecm > than old ecm) Gallente for isthar, recon, eos, astarte Minmatar for vagabond, sleipnir imo _________________________________________________ Breetime
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:08:00 - [28] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Dragy If i wanted to think this way i'd need to train all cruiser's lvl5 Amarr for their recons Caldari for cerb Gallente for Eos, Deimos, Ishtar Minmatar for Sleipnir, Claymore How the hell did you forget to mention the vagabond Amarr for zealot, recons, absolution and for supertanking sac Caldari for cerb, nighthawk, recon (highskilled ecm > than old ecm) Gallente for isthar, recon, eos, astarte Minmatar for vagabond, sleipnir imo I didn't I don't like vagabond, even if it's solopwning mobile and can survive everything. It has to do with my ethics as a warrior, freedom fighter. I find that ship not enough honorable and good-looking to fly and fight with it for my goals, like freedom, opportunities. I know, i'm strange
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:14:00 - [29] Edited by: madaluap on 14/01/2007 13:10:59 Originally by: Dragy Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Dragy If i wanted to think this way i'd need to train all cruiser's lvl5 Amarr for their recons Caldari for cerb Gallente for Eos, Deimos, Ishtar Minmatar for Sleipnir, Claymore How the hell did you forget to mention the vagabond Amarr for zealot, recons, absolution and for supertanking sac Caldari for cerb, nighthawk, recon (highskilled ecm > than old ecm) Gallente for isthar, recon, eos, astarte Minmatar for vagabond, sleipnir imo I didn't I don't like vagabond, even if it's solopwning mobile and can survive everything. It has to do with my ethics as a warrior, freedom fighter. I find that ship not enough honorable and good-looking to fly and fight with it for my goals, like freedom, opportunities. I know, i'm strange Being able to fight solo under outnumbered circumstances, in a ship made by slaves fighting for there freedom and making use of opportunities, such as that 1 single target sitting 10 k away from his friends and than blowing it up isnt true warrior style. lol vagabond is the true warrior way... btw minmatar ships are sexy you just need to zoom in _________________________________________________ Breetime
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:26:00 - [30] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 14/01/2007 13:10:59 Originally by: Dragy Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Dragy If i wanted to think this way i'd need to train all cruiser's lvl5 Amarr for their recons Caldari for cerb Gallente for Eos, Deimos, Ishtar Minmatar for Sleipnir, Claymore How the hell did you forget to mention the vagabond Amarr for zealot, recons, absolution and for supertanking sac Caldari for cerb, nighthawk, recon (highskilled ecm > than old ecm) Gallente for isthar, recon, eos, astarte Minmatar for vagabond, sleipnir imo I didn't I don't like vagabond, even if it's solopwning mobile and can survive everything. It has to do with my ethics as a warrior, freedom fighter. I find that ship not enough honorable and good-looking to fly and fight with it for my goals, like freedom, opportunities. I know, i'm strange Being able to fight solo under outnumbered circumstances, in a ship made by slaves fighting for there freedom and making use of opportunities, such as that 1 single target sitting 10 k away from his friends and than blowing it up isnt true warrior style. lol vagabond is the true warrior way... btw minmatar ships are sexy you just need to zoom in I don't like hit'n'run ship. If i'm outnumbered and outgunned i want to sacrifice myself in the name of freedom !

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