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Jonaaka Kaliin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:28:00 -
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This is beyond driving me nuts. I need some advice on where to proceed from here, as I've exhausted every resource, measure, and all the bag of tricks I've got.
There is a system in 0.0 off the beaten path. Along with this system, a few jumps away is another off the beaten path 0.0 spot. Both of these systems have a pilot, less than two months old, in Ravens. Both belong to their original NPC corporations. Both have security ratings of 5.0 
Now, I've added both of these pilots to my address book and for the last week I've done everything I can to eliminate them. Here's where it gets frustrating:
Any time someone appears in local, they log off. You only get a glimpse of them briefly when you jump in, and in many cases where I myself have logged directly into the system, the only way I can tell they were there is the wrecks they leave behind and their Ravens on the scanner briefly.
I've tried probing them-at 30 seconds I don't think I can get much faster for scan probing results. Many times I've got a hit, warped to their now-logged-off Raven, and scrambled and shot them a few times. Only a few times, because even then their ships still disappear after a few moments.
I've tried sitting by their wrecks and waiting for them to log back in and pop up green in my address book. I've wasted literally hours doing this, because what happens then is two "alt" charachters will begin logging in every 5 minutes and logging back out. Both these alt chars are in pods, making it impossible to even try and probe them unless I get lucky. But I don't care about the pod alts.
I set up a gang next door to these systems, and had them wait for my word on TS to jump in. The Raven pilots will then log in after several minutes, I will jump into the system with them and drop a probe, warping to their ship 30 some odd seconds later as my gang comes in. All the stars seemed aligned as we converged on the Raven and...the ship disappears.
With 3 points and 7 ships firing on it.
We all leave, and 15 minutes later the address book flashes green as he logs back in. So long as nobody is in local, they stay logged in. Jump into system, they log out.
After several nights of this, I'm at wits end. I figured that if I sit on one of their wrecks and shoot it that would buy my 15 minutes. But their alt chars are the only ones who log in at that time. And the Ravens never log in to the system while anyone else is in it.
So, here's the short of it:
Probe a logging-off Raven who is NPCing, get a few shots off, cannot kill him.
What can I do? Any suggestions? Is this worth a petition, or is there a tactic I haven't used yet?
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:41:00 -
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We had one of these plaguing a system. After basically harassing them non-stop for a week or two, she finally gave up and moved out. Kinda irked me, as I was really looking forward to popping her Raven. I was a lot like you, pretty damn obsessed actually lol. From what I hear, you can fire on one of their wrecks and it will cause an aggro timer, although I have also heard that it is an exploit to do so (not directly from CCP though, just hearsay). She had a SS far off the grid, I narrowed it down to the general area just using the ship scanner, but by the time the new probe system hit she ended up moving out.
The funniest thing though, is that she chained EVERY spawn. It didn't matter if the spawn was just utter crap, it was chained. I honestly can't see that making a whole lot of isk.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Reigning Death
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:42:00 -
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They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
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Isisx
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Reigning Death
They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
QFT
Seriously, you are mad because this person does not wish to engage in combat with you or be pirated by you. I am a carebear myself and I use tactics such as safe spots and constantly warping around to avoid pirates. Think about how much money you have lost wasting time on these guys. I just laugh when i see someone hang out in system hunting for me for 30 mins+, because then odds of catching me are very low. Logging off is kinda cheap and all, and with just a little bit of brain power they could stay online and really piis ya off. That's what I would do :)
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Isisx
Originally by: Reigning Death
They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
QFT
Seriously, you are mad because this person does not wish to engage in combat with you or be pirated by you. I am a carebear myself and I use tactics such as safe spots and constantly warping around to avoid pirates. Think about how much money you have lost wasting time on these guys. I just laugh when i see someone hang out in system hunting for me for 30 mins+, because then odds of catching me are very low. Logging off is kinda cheap and all, and with just a little bit of brain power they could stay online and really piis ya off. That's what I would do :)
yeah but the character is most likely a farmer for isk selling corps another reason why we can't really fight of isk farmers thanks to local
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Stakhanov
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:04:00 -
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Logging mechanics are just broken. Any object under attack shouldn't vanish from the game...
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teth'eala
Caldari
Grey Scribes Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Logging mechanics are just broken. Any object under attack shouldn't vanish from the game...
i completly agree
yeah, this whole thing would **** me off and I'd report it to ccp just to make sure that they were aware of it at the very least. One of the points of this game is when you're not in empire space you're taking a risk of getting killed. Using out of game mechanics to avoid this(logging off) is pretty cheap and arguably an exploit. I don't see a reason why your ship shouldn't stay if you're not docked and logged off.
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Tribalist
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:48:00 -
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Well heres a possible way to catch them.
Sounds like you are able to find thier ships but they log off, so when they log off, you do exactly the same thing, then use an alt (add them to your alts buddy list to see when they log back on) to scout for them to relog on, 5 seconds after they log on you log on you should both appear at the same point in space... you attack them, even if they log off you warp scramble (hmm will that prevent a ship from auto warp & disappearing?)
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Isisx
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Isisx
Originally by: Reigning Death
They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
QFT
Seriously, you are mad because this person does not wish to engage in combat with you or be pirated by you. I am a carebear myself and I use tactics such as safe spots and constantly warping around to avoid pirates. Think about how much money you have lost wasting time on these guys. I just laugh when i see someone hang out in system hunting for me for 30 mins+, because then odds of catching me are very low. Logging off is kinda cheap and all, and with just a little bit of brain power they could stay online and really piis ya off. That's what I would do :)
yeah but the character is most likely a farmer for isk selling corps another reason why we can't really fight of isk farmers thanks to local
If they are truely farmers then they should have their eyes dug out with a spoon :)
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Saint Bubba
Minmatar
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.01.13 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tribalist
Well heres a possible way to catch them.
Sounds like you are able to find thier ships but they log off, so when they log off, you do exactly the same thing, then use an alt (add them to your alts buddy list to see when they log back on) to scout for them to relog on, 5 seconds after they log on you log on you should both appear at the same point in space... you attack them, even if they log off you warp scramble (hmm will that prevent a ship from auto warp & disappearing?)
Good luck.
The ship can not just logg off and warp... There is a timer on it as I found out with a ferox who tried that on me but was still killed ;P
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels  .
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Jonaaka Kaliin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.13 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reigning Death
They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
Yeah it is a bit of outsmarting on their part. You did see the part of my post where I said it was 0.0?
I guess it's just the principle of it. I lose ISK by playing these games with them just the same as they do-at least when I'm there. But after training all the new probing skills to 4, and having already blown them up once (two nights ago one of them auto targeted me and I got the 15min timer on them when they logged) the guy came right back in a new Raven.
It's fishy. These guys aren't even 2 months old ffs. Sec rating of 5.0? In Ravens? In 0.0 logging off to avoid any risk of losing their ship? Did I mention their names are almost macro-ish in style?
It's enough to get worked up about, it's just what exactly this game will allow me to counter with that's got me grasping at straws. I can probe them in time, I can scramble and shoot at them in time, but they still get away...
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2007.01.13 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tammarr on 13/01/2007 19:41:14
If ships wouldnt "warpoff" when inside pos shields and instead just disappear I'am all for the timer to be a 5 minute one by default, logout in midspace 0.0? Fine, you'll sit there for 5 mins if someone was hunting you(edit: or not).
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Frug
SYOID
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.01.13 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Reigning Death
They're logging out, and then logging back in on an alt to see if it's all clear. That's the short of it unless I'm missing something, correct?
Don't think there's anything wrong with a person doing that, and I really don't see why it should bother you if someone does it. They're outsmarting you. Boo hoo.
What a useless and lame post.
Gl with killing these loggers though. Nothing wrong with a healthy obsession. Try what one of the people says above, sounds like it might work and give you a chance to scramble before they warp to safe.
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Folstrum
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Posted - 2007.01.13 20:35:00 -
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Couldn't you have someone just log in an alt at a safe spot, thus preventing them from farming indefinitely?
It would seem a sure bet for making him go away. And really, by killing him you'll only set him back a very short period of time.
Passed that I dunno, a login trap maybe, depending on how many belts are in the system. Maybe if you cleaned the spawns out of the other belts you'd have a decent chance, hard to say if you can get the scram on him before he logs though. Inty with fastlock perhaps?
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Master Spoonman
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.13 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Folstrum
Couldn't you have someone just log in an alt at a safe spot, thus preventing them from farming indefinitely?
It would seem a sure bet for making him go away. And really, by killing him you'll only set him back a very short period of time.
Passed that I dunno, a login trap maybe, depending on how many belts are in the system. Maybe if you cleaned the spawns out of the other belts you'd have a decent chance, hard to say if you can get the scram on him before he logs though. Inty with fastlock perhaps?
Agreed, place an alt in the system at all times (or your main if he doesn't have really expensive implants). I'd fit a T1 ship in case they do bother to probe you out, but just have your MWD on and face nowhere. Go afk and let them get used to having you there for a few hours and when you stop being afk and they have become relaxed with you there, pounce!
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Linavin
Mercurialis Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.13 22:17:00 -
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From expirience they best way would, as stated, to sit afk in the system. If you use a noob alt they may wise up and choose to ignore that particular character, so if you can I would reccomend a character with competant pvp skills in a pvp ship sitting cloaked at a safespot, or better yet a covops recon. That way if they do ignore you, you are in a perfect position to scan them down and gank them.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.14 05:33:00 -
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Cloak at a safe and go to bed.
Get them used to your presence - that or they stay logged off.
It's not what you want but it's a step in the right direction.
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari
calon lan
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:13:00 -
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i have had a problem with a member like this and i used a log on trap to kill them. added him to the address book of my alt have alt logged in and main sitting at the login screen in the place he last was. when he logs in you log in you will both warp to the same belt you shoot him and then you got yourself 15mins to pew pew his ass
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Baroti
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:08:00 -
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Like screaming said. Get two cloaked alts. Sit them in each system at a ss cloaked. Leave them there 24/7. They will either leave or they well get used to you. Scan them down. Pop em.
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Katamarino
Blazing Angels
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.14 17:17:00 -
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If you can get to a belt before they log, shoot one of their wrecks. This gives them the 15 minute aggression timer (buggy perhaps, but with farmers who cares), and means you can probe and kill at your leisure!
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Evenfall Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.01.14 18:24:00 -
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here's what you do, and I don't like this tactic, but hell, they are disappearing under fire so do this. When he/she/it logs on harass them till they log off. Probe their position, gets some friends to warp in at that position and have them all log off. you warp next door and wait. Once you see the char log in tell all of your buddies to log in (use TS or vent... or whatever). With any luck they should log in close to the targets, and if not the target should be really close.
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Sepulchura
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Posted - 2007.01.14 19:11:00 -
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dont use the "shoot wrecks/jetcans too get aggro" if they petition you wil be at least warned if not have your account fully banned. (theres a thread on this forum about it) There are another couple of threads somewhere where this has been reported by a GM that this form of getting aggro was not intended and has been givin expliot status.
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Jonaaka Kaliin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 20:57:00 -
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Thanks guys, I spent a good deal of time coming up with some plans you've all suggested, and will implement them today. Hope it brings success.
Hardest part is getting it all in place, but the trap should spring well. Did I miss something about trial accounts not being able to log on the same PC as a paid account that's running?
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jonaaka Kaliin
Did I miss something about trial accounts not being able to log on the same PC as a paid account that's running?
You used to before Kali but now you can't have a trial and paid or two trial accounts running on the same comp.
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Revona
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:33:00 -
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mhh a covert ops (gang) would get em I believe. You get a hit on em, and then you got 15minutes afaik. Also, one guy that suggested to log off, that's a pretty good suggestion as well. I doubt they'll want to stay logged off for 24hours(+), so they'll likely either just move systems, or get used to you being on and not engaging.
Best suggestion though is to just pay a few new guys like 3mil each (which fits em 10 frigates) to sit in each belt, and shoot on the raven once, scram it, and shout for you to warp in. Or use your high-level friends to just pwn him, cause finding newbies on at the same time, getting them to not steal the money, and stuff like that is gonna be hard.
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Nuska
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.15 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jonaaka Kaliin
What can I do? Any suggestions? Is this worth a petition, or is there a tactic I haven't used yet?
Just out of curiosity, petition them for what, not staying logged in long enough for you to kill them?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.15 22:30:00 -
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It's worth a petition if they're engaged in behavior that shows that they're ISK farming for resale. No way to tell from a player standpoint. It's just as possible that it's someone using ratting to fund the playtime of a character on a second account. Only CCP has the tools to see what the character is actually being used for. The odds that CCP is ready to actually do anything about it are slim, but it's worth a shot, I guess.
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.15 22:56:00 -
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Do your own ratting in the systems. Make it so they can't play without you being there. Disrupt and ruin their farming.
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StinkFinger
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.16 01:03:00 -
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Sounds like a macro-isk-farmer
Originally by: Tuxford
Needy needy people 
I'll try to make some stuff up
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Nuska
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.16 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
It's worth a petition if they're engaged in behavior that shows that they're ISK farming for resale.
There are plenty of mission runners farming isk, there are plenty of people selling time cards for $0.10 per million isk, and then resell that same isk on their web sites for $0.20 per million (just look to see who has hundreds of time cards stocked at all times).
A little less playing EVE-police and a little more just playing the game would certainly be less "frustrating" to the OP I would imagine.
It's not in CCPs interest to do anything against isk farmers. Isk farmers are good for business, and that is all that matters in the very end.
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