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Fyr Fighter	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:43:00 - [1] Looking for some input into my dread setup. I have used it recently without any problems but feedback from experienced dread pilots would be appreciated. Hi - 3 Citadel Launchers, Seige Module Mid- Capital SB, Tech2 EM/Therm/Kin Hardners, Tech2 Invul, Dread Gurista Amp, Cap Recharger II Low - 3 PDU2, Coprocessor II, Named Damage Control 2 Cap recharging rigs (the 15% ones) Couple questions: 1) How about using 2 Shield boosters and droping the cap recharger? 2) Should I add another cap recharging rig or is there a better one to use instead? Any other constructive feedback or other setups are welcome. Please remember to explain why you would make a change if alternate setups are posted.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:50:00 - [2] Fit a third cap rig. Also you aren't going to have a fast enough recharge to run one booster, let alone two boosters whilst loosing a cap recharger. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:54:00 - [3] I agree, Dual sheild boosters is utterly unsustainable. and yes, 3 cap recharge rigs. an alternate setup: Standard highs, Cap Sheild Booster 2x Faction/Deadspace boost amps EM/Therm/Kin Hardners Invuln Field 5x Cap power relays. 3x Cap recharge Rigs The boost amps cancel out the penalty from the CPRs, and you end up with a boost amount thats a tad higher than normal as well as being able to run your Booster permamantly. -----
Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.13 18:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Chronus26 I agree, Dual sheild boosters is utterly unsustainable. and yes, 3 cap recharge rigs. an alternate setup: Standard highs, Cap Sheild Booster 2x Faction/Deadspace boost amps EM/Therm/Kin Hardners Invuln Field 5x Cap power relays. 3x Cap recharge Rigs The boost amps cancel out the penalty from the CPRs, and you end up with a boost amount thats a tad higher than normal as well as being able to run your Booster permamantly. My only quibble with this is the "run your booster permanently". It's true...but only outside of siege. In siege, you'll need to manage a bit, but it should be no problem. As for the setup, he pretty much nailed mine aside from the fact that I use named CPRs (they give more cap recharge than T1 post-Kali) and I use cap max rigs to increase my effective recharge rate while having more starting cap to work with and also having a larger peak recharge area. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" Might As well Train Another Race
Chronus26 Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Chronus26 I agree, Dual sheild boosters is utterly unsustainable. and yes, 3 cap recharge rigs. an alternate setup: Standard highs, Cap Sheild Booster 2x Faction/Deadspace boost amps EM/Therm/Kin Hardners Invuln Field 5x Cap power relays. 3x Cap recharge Rigs The boost amps cancel out the penalty from the CPRs, and you end up with a boost amount thats a tad higher than normal as well as being able to run your Booster permamantly. My only quibble with this is the "run your booster permanently". It's true...but only outside of siege. In siege, you'll need to manage a bit, but it should be no problem. As for the setup, he pretty much nailed mine aside from the fact that I use named CPRs (they give more cap recharge than T1 post-Kali) and I use cap max rigs to increase my effective recharge rate while having more starting cap to work with and also having a larger peak recharge area. Oops I had forgotten about the seige bonuses I'd just think of it like a big Raven, you'll be able to tank most things without constantly boosting, just dont let your cap fall below 30% and you should be fine. -----
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.01.13 20:13:00 - [6] Now I have read that the Phoenix can be a really mean Anti-BS Dred, almost as good as the Moros at Anti-BS. I think you need something like 5 med target painting drones to bring a BS's sig over 1000m. Also I guess it helps if the BS is webbed. Anyone have any input on this? ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.13 20:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 21:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. total retard.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:04:00 - [9] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. total retard. Why? There are a lot of "omg leet pvper gangs" who attack dreads that undock infront of stations. >_>
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:11:00 - [10] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. total retard. Why? There are a lot of "omg leet pvper gangs" who attack dreads that undock infront of stations. >_> then they arent leet but stupid unless they have massive numbers waiting 1jump away and kill you. We did so some weeks ago
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:12:00 - [11] you are being really constructive. I got asked for anti-bs setup, I gave one. I know people who got a lot of kills with said setup. cup of stfu anyone? moron. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Arcadia1701 Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.01.13 22:44:00 - [12] some of these setups are really bad, were do u get them from people... Proper setups Anti- POS 3 Citadels 1 siege 1 Capital booster 1 Shield boost amp 2 cap charger t2s 2 invul t2s 1 photon t2 3 Power diags 1 damage control 1 BCU 2 Cap regen rigs 1 cap capacity rig for cap ship v ship ship fights : take off boost amp, use a cap recharger, and use 2 BCUs.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.13 23:41:00 - [13] using this ship as an anti bs platform solo is just stupid, u might get kills here and there but at the end u will get killed if the hostiles your facing have any brains at all
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.13 23:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 23:38:43 Originally by: LeMoose using this ship as an anti bs platform solo is just stupid, u might get kills here and there but at the end u will get killed if the hostiles your facing have any brains at all I don't care if it's stupid or smart. Person in question asked for Anti-BS setup, I gave one. So unless you have a better Anti-BS setup, stfu and stop insulting people. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Phraust Byt3	Posted - 2007.01.27 22:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: LeMoose using this ship as an anti bs platform solo is just stupid, u might get kills here and there but at the end u will get killed if the hostiles your facing have any brains at all I don't care if it's stupid or smart. Person in question asked for Anti-BS setup, I gave one. So unless you have a better Anti-BS setup, stfu and stop insulting people. cup of stfu, haha. www.roflowned.gg
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.28 09:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Arcadia1701 Edited by: Arcadia1701 on 15/01/2007 04:25:36 Edited by: Arcadia1701 on 13/01/2007 22:44:59 some of these setups are really bad, were do u get them from people... Proper setups Anti- POS 3 Citadels 1 siege 1 Capital booster 1 Shield boost amp 2 cap charger t2s 2 invul t2s 1 photon t2 3 Power diags 1 damage control 1 BCU 1 Cap regen rigs 2 cap capacity rig for cap ship v cap ship fights : take off boost amp, use a cap recharger, and use 2 BCUs. this is prolly what I'd fit, except maybe change the DCU for another PDU, also I'd change all rigs to cap regen rig since it adds more to your cap/sec
AFTRUNX Caldari Human Liberty Syndicate G.U.A.R.D.	Posted - 2007.02.15 12:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Arcadia1701 Edited by: Arcadia1701 on 15/01/2007 04:25:36 Edited by: Arcadia1701 on 13/01/2007 22:44:59 some of these setups are really bad, were do u get them from people... Proper setups Anti- POS 3 Citadels 1 siege 1 Capital booster 1 Shield boost amp 2 cap charger t2s 2 invul t2s 1 photon t2 3 Power diags 1 damage control 1 BCU 1 Cap regen rigs 2 cap capacity rig for cap ship v cap ship fights : take off boost amp, use a cap recharger, and use 2 BCUs. this is prolly what I'd fit, except maybe change the DCU for another PDU, also I'd change all rigs to cap regen rig since it adds more to your cap/sec I have the save high and low fitting, but i cant fit the Amplifiers because lack of CPU... do you use implants or specially Faction mods with low CPU requirements? i have try a setup with T2 stuff... when i fit the cap booster with 3 T2 hardeners i have 3 low slots free and 43.75 CPU left. It's great to be a Caldari....
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:59:00 - [18] Try using some Gist C-Type hardeners, they are cheap, only 0.5% worse than T2 and use a LOT less cpu. N.F.F. Recruitment
Mr Breakfast	Posted - 2007.05.14 03:56:00 - [19] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. total ******. So is it possible for a Phoenix to work against BSes and command ships by itself? Let's assume you have a ton of cash and fit two officer webs, leave out the sensor boosters and scram from this setup, and fit it like this: Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x Officer Webs, 1x Booster, 1x Invul Field, 1x Boost Amp Low: Damage Control, maybe BCUs, Cap Relays TP Drones This is probably moronic but I think it would be funny to see one in action anyway. Could this setup one-volley a BS? Are the target painter drones needed? Are 3x TP II needed, or could one be dropped to add more shield mods?
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.14 06:31:00 - [20] yes its possible to one volley bs with a solo phoenix setup and if I had tons of money I would probably give it a try for the hell of it, but you really do need support to utilize this one, 1 or 2 helpers in certain recons can help alot minmatar/gallente comes to mind. also if you wanna do this solo you cannot do it without atleast 2 t2 sensor boosters as even a battleship can warp off before you finish locking em Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:17:00 - [21] Originally by: LeMoose stupid unless they have massive numbers Actually, the issue is not about folks attacking undocking dread, it about folks attacking any ship next to station. Typical scenario is a bait acting stupid next to station, then tackling the attacker and launching a cyno. Some 30-60 seconds to kill the target, depending on his situational awareness. Now you just need a dread with anti-BS setup. Reckon Ryysa had a valid suggestion for that. -Lasse with some 200+ such kills
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Arimai on 14/05/2007 09:43:23 Originally by: Heikki Now you just need a dread with anti-BS setup. Reckon Ryysa had a valid suggestion for that. for the undock game (might seem familiar to you) 3x Ion Blasters (XL)/ 3x Neutron Blaster cannon II (L), siege Module 1x SB II/1x passive targer/3x cap II/SB II/nice disruptor/nice web or even more SB.. 1x capital armor repairer II/Armor Kin/Therm/Exp II/EANM II/DCU II/Mag stab II/capital armor repairer/dmg mods Use antimatter for the capital blasters, since that's the best dmg ammo for most part of your effective range. Use neutrons if you dont want to siege (since you cant dock while siege anymore). Use ions + siege if you want to insta-pop people that dont suspect the passive targete You can also use a phoenix (or naglfar) and lock, fire torps, then siege. They will still hit for full dmg if you are close enough..
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:13:00 - [23] Ryssas setup works well if you have one or two carriers to remote rep you. sig down temporarily Originally by: welsh wizard You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
General Apocalypse Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:29:00 - [24] Phoenix High: Citadel Torpedo Launcher I [15xRift Torpedo I] Citadel Torpedo Launcher I [15xRift Torpedo I] Citadel Torpedo Launcher I [15xRift Torpedo I] Siege Module I Mids: Capital Shield Booster I Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field Invulnerability Field II Lows : Estamel's Modified Co-Processor True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Rigs : 3 X Core Defence Field Extender I Drones: 5 X Warden I 5 X Warrior II 412641 shield, 66.01/s, E/T/K/Ex=73/78/84/71 It's a bit triky to find the Estamel CPU Vespa's will also do. But since your fiting a 2 B ships you can invest another 1B in the fittings . The DG Amps are more of a show off t2 will work just fine. If you're worried about Cap you shoud know that only the SB takes cap so don't worry about it that much . If you get nosed you shoud know that you'll die anyway if you don't have suport. You're also boosting 24K shields in one go in siege mode so no need for a second SB. And you're siting behind 400K shields so if you're not NOSed to hell and back you shoud be fine. Even a well prepared fleed will take some time to penetrate that amount of shields. Also Crystal set dosen't work whit Capital SB so that won't help you however there are 3 implants that are prety cheap and can help you whit the tank. Some inplant experts might know. I don't have the rare ones (whit sily unknown names ) , but i think there are some implants to help you whit the RoF. Enjoy Thank You SkyFlyer
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.16 07:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Sokratesz Ryssas setup works well if you have one or two carriers to remote rep you. It's a bit of a shame that your dmg sucks if you dont use siege mode. Or were you intending to being remote repped while in siege mode? that doesnt work too good, although i'd happily fight you when you count on it to work :P
OConner	Posted - 2007.05.27 20:04:00 - [26] If you fit the lows with 5 shiled power relays and have the rigs with Core Defence Field Extender I could you not get a pretty nice passive tank even though it would make the use of siege mode kind of pointless execpt for damage and ew protection?
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.28 13:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Mr Breakfast Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 13/01/2007 20:51:08 Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x 15km (or officer) webs, 30km+ scram, 2x sensor boosters II Low: Capital armor rep, expl/kin/therm hardener, eanm II P.S. recommend web drones on top of that, you really don't want them moving >.< and max TP skills. total ******. So is it possible for a Phoenix to work against BSes and command ships by itself? Let's assume you have a ton of cash and fit two officer webs, leave out the sensor boosters and scram from this setup, and fit it like this: Hi: 3x Citadel, Siege Mod Mid: 3x TP II, 2x Officer Webs, 1x Booster, 1x Invul Field, 1x Boost Amp Low: Damage Control, maybe BCUs, Cap Relays TP Drones This is probably moronic but I think it would be funny to see one in action anyway. Could this setup one-volley a BS? Are the target painter drones needed? Are 3x TP II needed, or could one be dropped to add more shield mods? Ummm, best named target painters paint for the same amount, use less cap and less fitting, o, and they are dirt cheap It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Stork DK Red 42	Posted - 2007.06.04 09:46:00 - [28] Bit off topic, but how long does it take to lock a BS with no sensor boosters and with Signature Analysis Level 4-5? -------------- If i could be a Super Hero, i would be AwesomeMan Minmatar Are The Awesome Race Idiots
stoneyharrie2	Posted - 2007.06.04 09:53:00 - [29] my normal phoenix setup is 3 launchers and siege capital booster 2 em 1 thermal 1 kinetic and 1 invul or 1 more thermal t2 dmg control t2 bcu and pds (3) on low, or 2 pds and 1 cap power relay (if they called that)
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.06.04 10:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Stork DK Bit off topic, but how long does it take to lock a BS with no sensor boosters and with Signature Analysis Level 4-5? Out of siege..12 seconds, in siege, 4x as long. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug

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