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Spcius Patrouette The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 5	Posted - 2015.12.11 10:52:22 - [31] - Quote Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too. I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money. Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS. I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk. Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay. If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle. Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them! Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding. The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 688	Posted - 2015.12.11 11:30:12 - [32] - Quote Spcius Patrouette wrote: The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next. Well you know where to find my guide if you need any help A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 807	Posted - 2015.12.11 12:28:55 - [33] - Quote Savannah Lion wrote: I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. God forbid you work as a team.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13143	Posted - 2015.12.11 13:36:57 - [34] - Quote Spcius Patrouette wrote: I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money. This just goes to show, it's not just high sec people who completely lose the plot when it comes to balance. I live in null, so that "lol you don't live in null" BS is just that, BS. I've used everything, afktars, FoF+drone ships like the rattlesnake, vindicators in serp and guristas space, carriers, and so on. My favorite is my Machariel [Machariel, Angels Bane] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I Large Micro Jump Drive 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x1 Valkyrie II x4 Hornet EC-300 x5 Valkyrie II x1 I make good isk with it and it can do 10/10s, but I'm also risking something expensive to do it. That mach costs 8 or 9 times as much as an afktar, but it sure as hell doesn't make 8 or 9 times as much (and i'm not saying it should). But the current anomaly situation is BS, those of us who go out and ACTIVELY rat only make a little more than the people who attach a 100mn AB to a HAC, launch drones and go do something else. This has the affect of pumping wayyy to much isk into the economy (which s NOT BALANCED by the material sink of exploding ishtars and navy vexors, 3-4 hours of use and that afktar already paid for itself). What's even worse from my point of view is that it makes null sec look way richer than it is, giving ammunition to people in other parts of EVE to defend their unbalanced isk making activities. Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.
Savannah Lion KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.12.11 13:51:45 - [35] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Savannah Lion wrote: I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. God forbid you work as a team. Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13143	Posted - 2015.12.11 13:54:42 - [36] - Quote Savannah Lion wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Savannah Lion wrote: I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. God forbid you work as a team. Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too. Stop hiding behind the new guy thing. There is no reason you can't fly a meta Gun tornado (for example) and make the same isk in anoms while being at the keyboard. in fact, it's EASIER to train into that meta gun tornado than it is a navy vexor. You got spoiled by afk isk that should have never been part of the game. That's your own fault really.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 926	Posted - 2015.12.11 14:33:32 - [37] - Quote Spcius Patrouette wrote: Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too. I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money. Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS. I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk. Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay. If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle. Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them! Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding. The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next. And running those level 4 missions means you have to be at the keyboard, actively piloting your ship. You want the isk, then actively pilot the ship; because if you didn't let your drones get too far away, then they wouldn't be dying. As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require effort.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13149	Posted - 2015.12.11 14:38:01 - [38] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require effort. Oh crap, someone agreed with me! a reenactment of my reaction at home!
Aplysia Vejun Children of Agasul 44	Posted - 2015.12.11 14:50:46 - [39] - Quote What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km?
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 926	Posted - 2015.12.11 15:01:01 - [40] - Quote Aplysia Vejun wrote: What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km? I never let my drones get more than 25km away, and I watch them like a hawk. The first time I see agro shift, and then start seeing red on their shields is when I start pulling them back. Jenn, I actually agree with you on the active gameplay stance. Which is why I have no problem for those rare hisec missioners who can get over 100mil an hour; because I know they are actively playing the game and putting forth a little effort to get those dividends.

Angelina Smart Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.12.11 15:22:48 - [41] - Quote This happened to me in a sanctum. Just an a hour ago. I arrived at the sanctum and launched my drones but didnt see rats agroing me. And then one of my heavies was gone. Since then they always agro my drones. Even scooping and re-launching drones doesn't work. Rats agro my drones again after few sec. Its kinda impossible to rat in a drone boat now.
Meridon Arthas Beyond Frontier Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2015.12.11 16:12:37 - [42] - Quote I just tried to do a sanctum 30 min ago, I took focus from NPC, I launched drones, they dind't EVEN reach them, they already took aggro !!! I'm a 12M SP player, I have 5,5M in drones, usefull and effectives drones needs a lot of skill. With this new aggro I can't play anymore, I was going to learn a new type of gun (missile or hybrid) but to be effctive in sanctum i will need may be 2 months.
Angelina Smart Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.12.11 16:56:32 - [43] - Quote Angelina Smart wrote: This happened to me in a sanctum. Just an a hour ago. I arrived at the sanctum and launched my drones but didnt see rats agroing me. And then one of my heavies was gone. Since then they always agro my drones. Even scooping and re-launching drones doesn't work. Rats agro my drones again after few sec. Its kinda impossible to rat in a drone boat now. I did run some tests and I think this is a bug: I moved to a neighboring system and tried all sorts of combat sites including havens. Everything was fine and my drones never got aggrod. I returned back to my home system wrapped to a haven and this issue happened again. Drones got aggrod instantly. I left the site, warped my tengu alt to the site first and returned with the ishtar and assigned my drones (from ishtar) to the tengu, yet drones got aggrod. I thought the issue is with my home system. I tried the same haven in the home system with another Ishtar alt. Drones didnt get aggrod. So, this issue is happening to my main and only is my home system. Can u guys run similar tests plz?
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13151	Posted - 2015.12.11 17:04:01 - [44] - Quote [Tornado, Newbro AngelRats] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap. But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor... The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
Ginnie School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 33	Posted - 2015.12.11 17:07:26 - [45] - Quote I ran a few missions and combat sites last night and did not notice anything different; although, I stayed in High Sec. Personally, I like the description under the Using Drones for PVE section of the UniWiki Drones 101 website. I have found that this is spot on. I will also add that NPCs that can web will just tear apart Light, Medium and Heavy drones very quickly. Even if I recall them after seeing a little damage to their shields, because they are webbed, its a slow crawl back to my ship. All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
Zeshita Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 17:13:49 - [46] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: [Tornado, Newbro AngelRats] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap. But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor... The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems. Try running a level 5 in that other than mabye breeding facility and let me know how that works out
Angelina Smart Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.12.11 17:18:49 - [47] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: [Tornado, Newbro AngelRats] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap. But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor... The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems. U sure this work for each NPC type? I am pretty sure Serpentis will damp u to 20 km targeting range. And u die to any high-tier combat sites such as forsaken hub/havens/etc.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13151	Posted - 2015.12.11 17:32:16 - [48] - Quote Zeshita wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: [Tornado, Newbro AngelRats] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap. But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor... The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems. Try running a level 5 in that other than mabye breeding facility and let me know how that works out Ok what?
Savannah Lion KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.12.11 18:40:44 - [49] - Quote I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life. That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 13151	Posted - 2015.12.11 19:03:51 - [50] - Quote Savannah Lion wrote: I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life. You are not playing. You are afk. I'm playing lol. Quote: That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll. I always find it funny when a person with no experience makes a post like this, because it shows how painfully inexperienced they are. Those are Artillery Cannons. Minmatar guns. It's ok to fire in fall off. And you split the guns so as to not overkill. If you are relying on EFT, well,that means that whoever is teaching you this game is failing, I've actually bought ratting tornadoes (and belt ratting Hurricanes) for newbros, mainly because i didn't want them in Navy Vexors because drones are lazy and make for lazy players. I've been killing these npcs since 2007, and I'm not the one on here complaining about how my too easy Drone ratting doesn't work anymore. The problem is that CCP (inadvertently in many cases) made the game way too easy, and now we have all these "but I'm used to it being easy while I earn space money" whiners around.

Aplysia Vejun Children of Agasul 44	Posted - 2015.12.11 19:52:51 - [51] - Quote ok, short version: use sentries normal drones have always been bad at ratting, now they are nearly useless.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4842	Posted - 2015.12.11 20:05:02 - [52] - Quote There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 928	Posted - 2015.12.11 20:43:49 - [53] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out... Drone tanking????
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4842	Posted - 2015.12.11 20:51:58 - [54] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Drone tanking???? That's one possibility, yes (especially if you have high slots for remote reps). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
sookisooki Vuld Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:35:18 - [55] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Savannah Lion wrote: I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life. You are not playing. You are afk. I'm playing lol. Quote: That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll. I always find it funny when a person with no experience makes a post like this, because it shows how painfully inexperienced they are. Those are Artillery Cannons. Minmatar guns. It's ok to fire in fall off. And you split the guns so as to not overkill. If you are relying on EFT, well,that means that whoever is teaching you this game is failing, I've actually bought ratting tornadoes (and belt ratting Hurricanes) for newbros, mainly because i didn't want them in Navy Vexors because drones are lazy and make for lazy players. I've been killing these npcs since 2007, and I'm not the one on here complaining about how my too easy Drone ratting doesn't work anymore. The problem is that CCP (inadvertently in many cases) made the game way too easy, and now we have all these "but I'm used to it being easy while I earn space money" whiners around. Boo Hoo, other players get to play different from me AND THAT MAKES ME MAD!! Lol Jenn aSide you do realize you are whining just as much as people whining about this "bug" and i say bug because the problem has been fixed for me. ive been AFK ratting for days now. Also AFK carrier ratting works wonderfully, pulling in those 35m ticks with no effort. ITS AMAZING!
Daniel Ornulf Grae Universe Enterprise EVIAN NATION 1	Posted - 2015.12.11 21:52:26 - [56] - Quote I've done multiple 10/10 sansha sites and had manageable sentry/heavy aggro except in one where the drones has permanent aggro from everything. as for sanctums and havens, I've only been doing them for a short while but sentries and heavys never seem to pull aggro whereas meds and smalls do it constantly. these two can't kill frigs or BCs on non-drone battleships and get blapped by pretty much everything so I'm not sure why these ships even have a drone bay
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:49:41 - [57] - Quote The Diamond Man wrote: Its less about having to lock targets and hitting f than it is about having to pull in and re-drop drones every 30 seconds. Also having a Heavy drone webbed down and watching it slowly die is also pretty annoying. This. Nerfing stuff is one thing. Making high end enemies smart enough to handle drones is another. But adding another tedium is not fun. I can has blogging skills!
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2015.12.12 00:58:58 - [58] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: [Tornado, Newbro AngelRats] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Internal Force Field Array I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap. But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor... The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems. Since I'm too lazy to log in and look that up ATM, how much does that set up cost including the hull? I can has blogging skills!
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2015.12.12 01:01:35 - [59] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out... Fit for sniper and keep light drones orbiting around you at all times? I can has blogging skills!
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2182	Posted - 2015.12.12 01:27:31 - [60] - Quote 106m in eft. looks like the PG is a bit too tight without AUW. swapping the DC for a PDU looks to work. 536 dps on my lower skill alt, lv4 gunnery skills, lv5 bc. 504 dps with bc4. @ChainsawPlankto



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