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sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.09 08:08:06 -
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Before this latest patch while using an ishtar ive always been able to warp into a site (forsaken hub) and launch my drones after exiting warp and before the NPC's aggro me to keep the NPC's from targeting my drones. Now it seems that no matter what i do including attaching an ECM burst and any type of gun to shoot the NPC's with, they always go after my drones. Even if i recall them to take back aggro once i release my drones they are targeted again within 5-10 secs.
Im aware of drone changes in the past but before this patch having some type of ECM was good enough to keep aggro on you however now nothing seems to work, at least for me.
Is anyone else having this problem? This seems out of the norm to me. |
Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 09:23:42 -
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having the same issues petitioned this |
Big Cyc
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:04:24 -
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yep happens only on forsaken hubs |
Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:18:05 -
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its happening in missons also |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 11:47:23 -
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Jenn aSide has been advocating very vocally for the removal of AFK content in Null. Might be a bug or might be another stealth nerf. Post a bug report.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.03
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1726
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Posted - 2015.12.09 12:16:42 -
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There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more tedious and more of a grind.
Seems this change may be one of them. |
Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
177
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Posted - 2015.12.09 12:47:19 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging.
ftfy
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:01:21 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging. ftfy
Burners are this. Grinding through dozens upon dozens of battleships semi-afk is not. Good idea, poor implementation.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.03
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1727
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:21:23 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:
ftfy
Blitzing is at least an at the keyboard activity.
Jumping to 100km and setting off full room aggro, deploying a MTU and letting your FoF and sentries clear everything while you go mske a cup of tea or coffee and fluff the dog is not "more active and more challenging". |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13121
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:52:31 -
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My Rattlesnakes sentries took all kind of aggro last night. I lost one even, and he was my favorite, I named him Doug and we've been thorough a lot together, War with the Russians, getting lost in a wormhole, a divorce, a couple of tax audits. Hell Doug was my kid's God Father.
Then Doug died to the Angel Cartel. I cried for 2 minutes then realized i was crazy and just launched another sentry. Her name is Mary and she does explosive damage.
(TL;DR get over it, guns and missiles work fine in anoms)
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
915
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:36:17 -
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Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:01:26 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.
This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies bitchin.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13124
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:03:57 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing.
Null doesn't need buffing. Buffing null will hurt the game. As a null pilot I'd rather not see the game suffer for the expansion of my perosnal wallet....unlike some.
Isn't it amazing how self serving people think everyone is as self serivng as they are?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:11:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing. Null doesn't need buffing. Buffing null will hurt the game IMO, rather other unbalanced areas of the game need nerfing, to make null (and low) isk making worthwhile like it was prior to all the 2009 awards buffing CCP has done. As a null pilot I'd rather not see the game suffer for the expansion of my personal wallet....unlike some. Isn't it amazing how self serving people think everyone is as self serving as they are?
Booo those were some sub par insults, trying to be all casual and obscure but ending up completely transparent. You're slipping.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 17:35:11 -
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ccp can you confirm if this is intended or if this is infact a bug? thanks |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:39:17 -
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Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13124
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:55:00 -
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sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm!
Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake.
There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.
And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:58:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around.
Hard? no. Boring? YES!
If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained.
Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?
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The Diamond Man
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.10 11:35:25 -
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Its less about having to lock targets and hitting f than it is about having to pull in and re-drop drones every 30 seconds. Also having a Heavy drone webbed down and watching it slowly die is also pretty annoying. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4817
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Posted - 2015.12.10 12:12:51 -
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And the PvE hits just keep on coming...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio
The OSS
786
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Posted - 2015.12.10 13:40:39 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging. ftfy Burners are this. Grinding through dozens upon dozens of battleships semi-afk is not. Good idea, poor implementation.
Burners are actually even worse. Neither particularly active nor challenging in any traditional sense. The only difference is there is no room for creativity because they'll just kill you. Use fit listed in guide, quicker and easier than any other missions. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4822
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Posted - 2015.12.10 13:56:51 -
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Drones are the ultimate throw-away weapon system. Stupid cheap, unlimited ammunition and insane range and tracking (especially on ships like the Dominix and Ishtar). And let's not forget drone assist... So here's hoping this is a feature and not a bug.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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K Raz
Lone Star Warriors
Yulai Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.10 15:49:05 -
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Also having this "feature" Not really an issue having to do a bit of drone managing. It's not really ruining anything about "AFK'ing" - In fact it's easily exploitable. Fit for pure damage, keep remote reps on drones, solo the hardest anoms while walking the dog. Don't think this is what's intended. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
920
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:14:56 -
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sookisooki Vuld wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. Hard? no. Boring? YES! If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained. Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?
Self-entitled millennial detected. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1738
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:16:35 -
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Much as the anti-mission whiners might like to feel they are important and being listened to, my personal thoughts are its too incompetent a balance change to be deliberate even for CCP.
It is far more likely to be an unexpected side effect of something like experimenting with sleeper/drifter AI. Though even if it is an unexpected side effect CCP will not necessarily reverse the changes. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
923
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:18:36 -
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Most likely, I bet it is all related to Operation Frostline. Once the event is over, I bet things return to normal. |
Big Cyc
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:32:12 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.
on havens they work, only newbros are nerfed |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
696
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:41:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:My Rattlesnake's sentries took all kinds of crazy aggro last night. I even lost one, and he was my favorite, I named him Doug and we've been thorough a lot together, War with the Russians, getting lost in a wormhole, a divorce, a couple of tax audits. Hell Doug was my kid's God Father. Then Doug died to the Angel Cartel. I cried for 2 minutes then realized i was crazy and just launched another sentry. Her name is Mary and she does explosive damage. (TL;DR get over it, guns and missiles work fine in anoms)
So sorry for your loss, Jenn. He sounds like he was a good drone. Did Doug serve? He sounds like the kind of drone to be a vet. Hope you kid'll be okay as well. 
And, congratulations on your new...er..."relationship". Yeah, let's just go with that. 
(mumbles under breath: "weirdo") 
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.11 03:10:11 -
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I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 09:10:52 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. Hard? no. Boring? YES! If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained. Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing? Self-entitled millennial detected.
Lol is that the best you got to what, make me feel bad? Yes let me feel bad because some nobody does not like my opinion hahaha.
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