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sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.09 08:08:06 -
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Before this latest patch while using an ishtar ive always been able to warp into a site (forsaken hub) and launch my drones after exiting warp and before the NPC's aggro me to keep the NPC's from targeting my drones. Now it seems that no matter what i do including attaching an ECM burst and any type of gun to shoot the NPC's with, they always go after my drones. Even if i recall them to take back aggro once i release my drones they are targeted again within 5-10 secs.
Im aware of drone changes in the past but before this patch having some type of ECM was good enough to keep aggro on you however now nothing seems to work, at least for me.
Is anyone else having this problem? This seems out of the norm to me. |
Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 09:23:42 -
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having the same issues petitioned this |
Big Cyc
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:04:24 -
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yep happens only on forsaken hubs |
Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 10:18:05 -
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its happening in missons also |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 11:47:23 -
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Jenn aSide has been advocating very vocally for the removal of AFK content in Null. Might be a bug or might be another stealth nerf. Post a bug report.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.03
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1726
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Posted - 2015.12.09 12:16:42 -
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There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more tedious and more of a grind.
Seems this change may be one of them. |
Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
177
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Posted - 2015.12.09 12:47:19 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging.
ftfy
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:01:21 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging. ftfy
Burners are this. Grinding through dozens upon dozens of battleships semi-afk is not. Good idea, poor implementation.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.03
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1727
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:21:23 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:
ftfy
Blitzing is at least an at the keyboard activity.
Jumping to 100km and setting off full room aggro, deploying a MTU and letting your FoF and sentries clear everything while you go mske a cup of tea or coffee and fluff the dog is not "more active and more challenging". |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13121
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Posted - 2015.12.09 13:52:31 -
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My Rattlesnakes sentries took all kind of aggro last night. I lost one even, and he was my favorite, I named him Doug and we've been thorough a lot together, War with the Russians, getting lost in a wormhole, a divorce, a couple of tax audits. Hell Doug was my kid's God Father.
Then Doug died to the Angel Cartel. I cried for 2 minutes then realized i was crazy and just launched another sentry. Her name is Mary and she does explosive damage.
(TL;DR get over it, guns and missiles work fine in anoms)
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
915
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Posted - 2015.12.09 14:36:17 -
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Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:01:26 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.
This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies bitchin.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13124
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:03:57 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing.
Null doesn't need buffing. Buffing null will hurt the game. As a null pilot I'd rather not see the game suffer for the expansion of my perosnal wallet....unlike some.
Isn't it amazing how self serving people think everyone is as self serivng as they are?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
662
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:11:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing. Null doesn't need buffing. Buffing null will hurt the game IMO, rather other unbalanced areas of the game need nerfing, to make null (and low) isk making worthwhile like it was prior to all the 2009 awards buffing CCP has done. As a null pilot I'd rather not see the game suffer for the expansion of my personal wallet....unlike some. Isn't it amazing how self serving people think everyone is as self serving as they are?
Booo those were some sub par insults, trying to be all casual and obscure but ending up completely transparent. You're slipping.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.09 17:35:11 -
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ccp can you confirm if this is intended or if this is infact a bug? thanks |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:39:17 -
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Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13124
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:55:00 -
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sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm!
Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake.
There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.
And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.09 19:58:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around.
Hard? no. Boring? YES!
If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained.
Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?
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The Diamond Man
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.10 11:35:25 -
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Its less about having to lock targets and hitting f than it is about having to pull in and re-drop drones every 30 seconds. Also having a Heavy drone webbed down and watching it slowly die is also pretty annoying. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4817
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Posted - 2015.12.10 12:12:51 -
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And the PvE hits just keep on coming...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio
The OSS
786
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Posted - 2015.12.10 13:40:39 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:There have been a lot of changes to content with the apparent purpose of making ISK earning activity more active and more challenging. ftfy Burners are this. Grinding through dozens upon dozens of battleships semi-afk is not. Good idea, poor implementation.
Burners are actually even worse. Neither particularly active nor challenging in any traditional sense. The only difference is there is no room for creativity because they'll just kill you. Use fit listed in guide, quicker and easier than any other missions. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4822
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Posted - 2015.12.10 13:56:51 -
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Drones are the ultimate throw-away weapon system. Stupid cheap, unlimited ammunition and insane range and tracking (especially on ships like the Dominix and Ishtar). And let's not forget drone assist... So here's hoping this is a feature and not a bug.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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K Raz
Lone Star Warriors
Yulai Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.12.10 15:49:05 -
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Also having this "feature" Not really an issue having to do a bit of drone managing. It's not really ruining anything about "AFK'ing" - In fact it's easily exploitable. Fit for pure damage, keep remote reps on drones, solo the hardest anoms while walking the dog. Don't think this is what's intended. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
920
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:14:56 -
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sookisooki Vuld wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. Hard? no. Boring? YES! If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained. Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing?
Self-entitled millennial detected. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1738
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:16:35 -
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Much as the anti-mission whiners might like to feel they are important and being listened to, my personal thoughts are its too incompetent a balance change to be deliberate even for CCP.
It is far more likely to be an unexpected side effect of something like experimenting with sleeper/drifter AI. Though even if it is an unexpected side effect CCP will not necessarily reverse the changes. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
923
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Posted - 2015.12.10 22:18:36 -
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Most likely, I bet it is all related to Operation Frostline. Once the event is over, I bet things return to normal. |
Big Cyc
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:32:12 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.
on havens they work, only newbros are nerfed |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
696
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Posted - 2015.12.10 23:41:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:My Rattlesnake's sentries took all kinds of crazy aggro last night. I even lost one, and he was my favorite, I named him Doug and we've been thorough a lot together, War with the Russians, getting lost in a wormhole, a divorce, a couple of tax audits. Hell Doug was my kid's God Father. Then Doug died to the Angel Cartel. I cried for 2 minutes then realized i was crazy and just launched another sentry. Her name is Mary and she does explosive damage. (TL;DR get over it, guns and missiles work fine in anoms)
So sorry for your loss, Jenn. He sounds like he was a good drone. Did Doug serve? He sounds like the kind of drone to be a vet. Hope you kid'll be okay as well. 
And, congratulations on your new...er..."relationship". Yeah, let's just go with that. 
(mumbles under breath: "weirdo") 
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.11 03:10:11 -
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I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. |
sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 09:10:52 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:sookisooki Vuld wrote:Are people really so concerned with others using "AFKtars"? Is nobody concerned as to WHY people are so intent on using them? I mean I don't know about you all but i don't really feel like having to lock each and every red triangle and cycle my guns on each and every one of them for around 75 mil an hour. Its seriously one of the most boring elements of this game right on par with mining.
So until PVE content is fixed or changed in a way to make it more exciting then locking a target, pressing f1, and starting at it till it dies then repeating ill be using my "AFKtar".
Also the problem seems to have been fixed at least for me. Ishtar is keeping aggro just fine even with no guns or ECM. Back to being AFK in my giant AFK farm! Wow, so locking targets and hitting a button is hard and that's why you are AFKtaring. I've seen rationalizing, but damn that takes the cake. There is such a thing as auto-target lock back in the esc menu, as well as a high slot module that auto targets things that are agressing you. Ratting with a gun ship is literally as simple as "land on grid, let npcs aggro you, hit f1 5-6 times in a 2 minute span of time till the spawn is dead, repeat tills ite is dead, collect isk. A forsaken hub is pressing f1 about 25 times for 25 million isk...a million isk every press. It's literally press button receive freaking bacon.And you're telling me this is too hard/boring for you to do so we need afkable pve content? Damn man, this kind of attitude is why people love to through the 'nullbear' insult around. Hard? no. Boring? YES! If you are trying to tell me that its not one of the most boring elements in this game (a problem in itself being this is a VIDEO GAME that should not be boring) than you are delusional or easily entertained. Also why do you even have such a problem with people using a semi afk ishtar hmmm? if they choose to be AFK and make themselves easier targets to kill than how is that a bad thing? Self-entitled millennial detected.
Lol is that the best you got to what, make me feel bad? Yes let me feel bad because some nobody does not like my opinion hahaha.
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Spcius Patrouette
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
5
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Posted - 2015.12.11 10:52:22 -
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Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too.
I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.
Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS.
I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk.
Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay.
If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle.
Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them!
Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding.
The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
688
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Posted - 2015.12.11 11:30:12 -
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Spcius Patrouette wrote:The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.
Well you know where to find my guide if you need any help 
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio
The OSS
807
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Posted - 2015.12.11 12:28:55 -
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Savannah Lion wrote:I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets.
God forbid you work as a team. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13143
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:36:57 -
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Spcius Patrouette wrote:
I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.
This just goes to show, it's not just high sec people who completely lose the plot when it comes to balance.
I live in null, so that "lol you don't live in null" BS is just that, BS. I've used everything, afktars, FoF+drone ships like the rattlesnake, vindicators in serp and guristas space, carriers, and so on. My favorite is my Machariel
[Machariel, Angels Bane]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Large Micro Jump Drive
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Gecko x1
Valkyrie II x4
Hornet EC-300 x5
Valkyrie II x1
I make good isk with it and it can do 10/10s, but I'm also risking something expensive to do it.
That mach costs 8 or 9 times as much as an afktar, but it sure as hell doesn't make 8 or 9 times as much (and i'm not saying it should). But the current anomaly situation is BS, those of us who go out and ACTIVELY rat only make a little more than the people who attach a 100mn AB to a HAC, launch drones and go do something else.
This has the affect of pumping wayyy to much isk into the economy (which s NOT BALANCED by the material sink of exploding ishtars and navy vexors, 3-4 hours of use and that afktar already paid for itself). What's even worse from my point of view is that it makes null sec look way richer than it is, giving ammunition to people in other parts of EVE to defend their unbalanced isk making activities.
Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing. |
Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:51:45 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Savannah Lion wrote:I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. God forbid you work as a team.
Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13143
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Posted - 2015.12.11 13:54:42 -
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Savannah Lion wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Savannah Lion wrote:I don't know what complexes some of you have to want ratting to be harder for everyone else, but personally, this "bug" sucks. Newer guys like me have enough trouble as it is starting out ratting. Being able to use navy drones that are strong enough to allow us to rat is nice. 10 mil ISK ticks are nice. What isn't nice? Losing a 3 mil ISK drone every couple minutes because we don't have the training for the drones to take the hits long enough to survive returning to the drone bay. Now you may ask yourself, why should you care that it sucks for me? The same could be asked of why you care so much that AFK ratting is "too easy." Leave the AFK ratters alone. Screwing them screw people like me too. You can't have it both ways. Drones make ratting possible for us new guys. I certainly dont have the training to survive a site using missiles or turrets. God forbid you work as a team. Work as a team with who? Are you suggesting I switch to missiles or something, and grab 2-3 friends? Hmm....splitting ticks between that many bodies, and....I might as well become a miner at those profit levels. The point is drone rattings works fine, gives newer guys a reliable income, and "something" we can do on our own. It's already crap, some of the skill walls us new guys hit. No sense taking drone ratting from us too.
Stop hiding behind the new guy thing. There is no reason you can't fly a meta Gun tornado (for example) and make the same isk in anoms while being at the keyboard. in fact, it's EASIER to train into that meta gun tornado than it is a navy vexor.
You got spoiled by afk isk that should have never been part of the game. That's your own fault really.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:33:32 -
[37] - Quote
Spcius Patrouette wrote:Its not just forsaken hubs, its happening in havens too.
I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.
Null income for line members is actually pretty low comparatively. 15-20m ticks are the norm. Forget incursions, you can make more tahn that running level 4 missions with practically zero risk. In null however you cant always rat because there are roaming gangs, so that cuts down your isk/hr and you have to pay for the ships you lose. If you dont have a hauler alt the cost of replacing them (if you can find one on the market at all) is usually 50%+ higher than in HS.
I live in null because my corp moved there, not because its some promised land of isk.
Yes drones are relatively replaceable, but you can only fit so many in your drone bay.
If this is an intended change its not one thats making the game any more 'challenging' for nullbears, its just breaking that aspect of the game and killing that playstyle.
Other than taht i have mining and PI. now tehre are some high skill/activity intensive gameplay mechanics if ever ive heard them!
Or maybe i could do hauling. Wow, the options for fun gameplay are astounding.
The truth is EVE is a game about grinding and min/maxing for long periods, to experience bursts of fun. Im not going to run out and become someone elses content just because my preferred isk grinding method got nerfed and neitehr will the rest of the nullbears, we'll find a way to make money, and who knows, it might be the way that you make isk, and all of a sudden profits might drop and ccp might nerf that next.
And running those level 4 missions means you have to be at the keyboard, actively piloting your ship. You want the isk, then actively pilot the ship; because if you didn't let your drones get too far away, then they wouldn't be dying.
As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require *effort*. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13149
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:38:01 -
[38] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:
As Jenn said, there are other ships you can use that are just as effective. Ya'll don't want to use them because they require *effort*.
Oh crap, someone agreed with me!
a reenactment of my reaction at home!
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Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
44
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Posted - 2015.12.11 14:50:46 -
[39] - Quote
What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km? |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
926
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:01:01 -
[40] - Quote
Aplysia Vejun wrote:What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km?
I never let my drones get more than 25km away, and I watch them like a hawk. The first time I see agro shift, and then start seeing red on their shields is when I start pulling them back.
Jenn, I actually agree with you on the active gameplay stance. Which is why I have no problem for those rare hisec missioners who can get over 100mil an hour; because I know they are actively playing the game and putting forth a little effort to get those dividends. |
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Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.11 15:22:48 -
[41] - Quote
This happened to me in a sanctum. Just an a hour ago. I arrived at the sanctum and launched my drones but didnt see rats agroing me. And then one of my heavies was gone. Since then they always agro my drones. Even scooping and re-launching drones doesn't work. Rats agro my drones again after few sec. Its kinda impossible to rat in a drone boat now. |
Meridon Arthas
Beyond Frontier
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:12:37 -
[42] - Quote
I just tried to do a sanctum 30 min ago, I took focus from NPC, I launched drones, they dind't EVEN reach them, they already took aggro !!!
I'm a 12M SP player, I have 5,5M in drones, usefull and effectives drones needs a lot of skill. With this new aggro I can't play anymore, I was going to learn a new type of gun (missile or hybrid) but to be effctive in sanctum i will need may be 2 months. |
Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.11 16:56:32 -
[43] - Quote
Angelina Smart wrote:This happened to me in a sanctum. Just an a hour ago. I arrived at the sanctum and launched my drones but didnt see rats agroing me. And then one of my heavies was gone. Since then they always agro my drones. Even scooping and re-launching drones doesn't work. Rats agro my drones again after few sec. Its kinda impossible to rat in a drone boat now.
I did run some tests and I think this is a bug:
I moved to a neighboring system and tried all sorts of combat sites including havens. Everything was fine and my drones never got aggrod. I returned back to my home system wrapped to a haven and this issue happened again. Drones got aggrod instantly. I left the site, warped my tengu alt to the site first and returned with the ishtar and assigned my drones (from ishtar) to the tengu, yet drones got aggrod. I thought the issue is with my home system. I tried the same haven in the home system with another Ishtar alt. Drones didnt get aggrod.
So, this issue is happening to my main and only is my home system. Can u guys run similar tests plz? |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13151
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:04:01 -
[44] - Quote
[Tornado, Newbro AngelRats]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap.
But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor...
The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:07:26 -
[45] - Quote
I ran a few missions and combat sites last night and did not notice anything different; although, I stayed in High Sec. Personally, I like the description under the Using Drones for PVE section of the UniWiki Drones 101 website. I have found that this is spot on.
I will also add that NPCs that can web will just tear apart Light, Medium and Heavy drones very quickly. Even if I recall them after seeing a little damage to their shields, because they are webbed, its a slow crawl back to my ship.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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Zeshita
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:13:49 -
[46] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:[Tornado, Newbro AngelRats]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap.
But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor...
The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
Try running a level 5 in that other than mabye breeding facility and let me know how that works out
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Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:18:49 -
[47] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:[Tornado, Newbro AngelRats]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap.
But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor...
The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
U sure this work for each NPC type?
I am pretty sure Serpentis will damp u to 20 km targeting range. And u die to any high-tier combat sites such as forsaken hub/havens/etc.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13151
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Posted - 2015.12.11 17:32:16 -
[48] - Quote
Zeshita wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:[Tornado, Newbro AngelRats]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap.
But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor...
The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
Try running a level 5 in that other than mabye breeding facility and let me know how that works out
Ok what?
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 18:40:44 -
[49] - Quote
I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life. That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13151
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Posted - 2015.12.11 19:03:51 -
[50] - Quote
Savannah Lion wrote:I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life.
You are not playing. You are afk. I'm playing lol.
Quote:
That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll.
I always find it funny when a person with no experience makes a post like this, because it shows how painfully inexperienced they are.
Those are Artillery Cannons. Minmatar guns. It's ok to fire in fall off. And you split the guns so as to not overkill.
If you are relying on EFT, well,that means that whoever is teaching you this game is failing, I've actually bought ratting tornadoes (and belt ratting Hurricanes) for newbros, mainly because i didn't want them in Navy Vexors because drones are lazy and make for lazy players.
I've been killing these npcs since 2007, and I'm not the one on here complaining about how my too easy Drone ratting doesn't work anymore. The problem is that CCP (inadvertently in many cases) made the game way too easy, and now we have all these "but I'm used to it being easy while I earn space money" whiners around. |
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Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
44
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Posted - 2015.12.11 19:52:51 -
[51] - Quote
ok, short version:
use sentries
normal drones have always been bad at ratting, now they are nearly useless. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4842
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Posted - 2015.12.11 20:05:02 -
[52] - Quote
There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
928
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Posted - 2015.12.11 20:43:49 -
[53] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out...
Drone tanking???? |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4842
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Posted - 2015.12.11 20:51:58 -
[54] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Drone tanking????
That's one possibility, yes (especially if you have high slots for remote reps).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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sookisooki Vuld
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.12.11 21:35:18 -
[55] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Savannah Lion wrote:I honestly don't get why you have such a hard on for "other people's effort level matters to me" in a game you're not paying for. My money, I play how I want. You play how you want. Welcome to life. You are not playing. You are afk. I'm playing lol. Quote:
That said, with 2 months of training, I can't fly that sample fit of yours. It takes up way too much CPU. Aside from that, faction ammo of that type doesn't fall from trees in my area. Your other point of orbit at 70km? EFT says those guns have an optimal range of 35km. My current dps with all 7 guns and that ammo suggested? 150. I'll say again. One hundred, fifty. That might kill a frigate. For null? You could probably blow up an abandoned drone, but you won't kill rats. You're either more horrible at the game than the people you judge, or just a bad troll.
I always find it funny when a person with no experience makes a post like this, because it shows how painfully inexperienced they are. Those are Artillery Cannons. Minmatar guns. It's ok to fire in fall off. And you split the guns so as to not overkill. If you are relying on EFT, well,that means that whoever is teaching you this game is failing, I've actually bought ratting tornadoes (and belt ratting Hurricanes) for newbros, mainly because i didn't want them in Navy Vexors because drones are lazy and make for lazy players. I've been killing these npcs since 2007, and I'm not the one on here complaining about how my too easy Drone ratting doesn't work anymore. The problem is that CCP (inadvertently in many cases) made the game way too easy, and now we have all these "but I'm used to it being easy while I earn space money" whiners around.
Boo Hoo, other players get to play different from me AND THAT MAKES ME MAD!!
Lol Jenn aSide you do realize you are whining just as much as people whining about this "bug" and i say bug because the problem has been fixed for me. ive been AFK ratting for days now. Also AFK carrier ratting works wonderfully, pulling in those 35m ticks with no effort. ITS AMAZING! |
Daniel Ornulf
Grae Universe Enterprise
EVIAN NATION
1
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Posted - 2015.12.11 21:52:26 -
[56] - Quote
I've done multiple 10/10 sansha sites and had manageable sentry/heavy aggro except in one where the drones has permanent aggro from everything.
as for sanctums and havens, I've only been doing them for a short while but sentries and heavys never seem to pull aggro whereas meds and smalls do it constantly. these two can't kill frigs or BCs on non-drone battleships and get blapped by pretty much everything so I'm not sure why these ships even have a drone bay |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2015.12.12 00:49:41 -
[57] - Quote
The Diamond Man wrote:Its less about having to lock targets and hitting f than it is about having to pull in and re-drop drones every 30 seconds. Also having a Heavy drone webbed down and watching it slowly die is also pretty annoying.
This.
Nerfing stuff is one thing. Making high end enemies smart enough to handle drones is another. But adding another tedium is not fun.
I can has blogging skills!
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2015.12.12 00:58:58 -
[58] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:[Tornado, Newbro AngelRats]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
The above concept works for every single rat type in the game. Warp at 70, orbit, blap.
But somehow, this is too hard despitethe fact that timewise it's easier to train into than an ishtar or dominix and even slighty faster to train than a faction drone navy vexor...
The lesson for CCP is that the cluessness you find in this thread about something as easy as ratting (without relying on the crutch of drones) is what happens when you allow imbalances and afk game play to fester. People lose the ability to think their way out of problems.
Since I'm too lazy to log in and look that up ATM, how much does that set up cost including the hull?
I can has blogging skills!
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2015.12.12 01:01:35 -
[59] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:There's a flip side to enemy NPCs being more aggressive with drones, but if no one's figured it out...
Fit for sniper and keep light drones orbiting around you at all times?
I can has blogging skills!
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2182
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Posted - 2015.12.12 01:27:31 -
[60] - Quote
106m in eft.
looks like the PG is a bit too tight without AUW. swapping the DC for a PDU looks to work. 536 dps on my lower skill alt, lv4 gunnery skills, lv5 bc. 504 dps with bc4.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2015.12.12 05:44:12 -
[61] - Quote
106m isn't too bad as long as you don't lose the ship before you break even.
Would a rail talos fit work as well?
I can has blogging skills!
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Spcius Patrouette
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
7
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Posted - 2015.12.12 08:32:43 -
[62] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Spcius Patrouette wrote:
I like how this thread is full of people who dont live in null shitting on 'afktars' because nullbears makes too much money.
This just goes to show, it's not just high sec people who completely lose the plot when it comes to balance. I live in null, so that "lol you don't live in null" BS is just that, BS. I've used everything, afktars, FoF+drone ships like the rattlesnake, vindicators in serp and guristas space, carriers, and so on. My favorite is my Machariel[Machariel, Angels Bane] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I Large Micro Jump Drive 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Gecko x1 Valkyrie II x4 Hornet EC-300 x5 Valkyrie II x1 I make good isk with it and it can do 10/10s, but I'm also risking something expensive to do it. That mach costs 8 or 9 times as much as an afktar, but it sure as hell doesn't make 8 or 9 times as much (and i'm not saying it should). But the current anomaly situation is BS, those of us who go out and ACTIVELY rat only make a little more than the people who attach a 100mn AB to a HAC, launch drones and go do something else. This has the affect of pumping wayyy to much isk into the economy (which s NOT BALANCED by the material sink of exploding ishtars and navy vexors, 3-4 hours of use and that afktar already paid for itself). What's even worse from my point of view is that it makes null sec look way richer than it is, giving ammunition to people in other parts of EVE to defend their unbalanced isk making activities. Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.
Yeah... people joke about 'go do something else' but no one actually does that. You have to watch intel channels, watch local, watch for frigates and make sure they dont get a web on you. Meanwhile im running a salvager as well. I occaisionally get up for a few minutes to get a drink, and have a movie on in the background, but id like to see you come to provi and just drop an ishtar and come back in 40 minutes.
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Spcius Patrouette
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
7
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Posted - 2015.12.12 08:35:38 -
[63] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:What is "far away" for you? 10km? 20km? Or even 30km? I never let my drones get more than 25km away, and I watch them like a hawk. The first time I see agro shift, and then start seeing red on their shields is when I start pulling them back. Jenn, I actually agree with you on the active gameplay stance. Which is why I have no problem for those rare hisec missioners who can get over 100mil an hour; because I know they are actively playing the game and putting forth a little effort to get those dividends.
Like those rare 'afktar' pilots that make more than 60m/hr because they too are sitting at their keyboard. no one actually gets up and leaves their pc, you still have to do work on them. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4848
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Posted - 2015.12.12 11:04:48 -
[64] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Sorry, but if you want to make isk with a space ship in this game it's right that you should have to be somewhere near your keyboard to do it. At least with FoF missiles, if you go afk they run out and you make nothing.
Well said. AFK is for mining anyway...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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K Raz
Lone Star Warriors
Yulai Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.12.12 11:13:12 -
[65] - Quote
There are a lot of "haha, your way of playing was changed, mine wasn't" in this thread which is pretty narrowminded.
It is about a somewhat major change to gameplay mechanics, affecting an entire line of ships and their primary weapon. This was not announced and no details/explanation can be found and the devs are silent. This may or may not be intended and people will adapt and overcome, so no need for the teenage attitudes. |
Bulgr en Bauldry
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.12 14:18:49 -
[66] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time.
There is little bit more space on the spectrum than full afk and drone aggro every 5 second. So i sense bitterness from someone who doesent use drones? Because lets be honest, drone aggro every 5 seconds is NOT normal and is miles apart from afk income.
I had no issues with sentry rattlesnake(well minor trouble due to getting blown up by hotdrop :P) in forsaken hubs. Been few days since i ratted tho. No ECM or other urbanlegendy modules fitted, not even a TP at that time. |
Kasia Skywalker
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2015.12.13 09:03:26 -
[67] - Quote
couple of things:
1st. Gaming afk means ppl should be off their keyboard - not that you should hide your drones every 5 sec to save them. And then pull them off ( this makes drone game content useless )
2nd. Making it randomly - some characters have this bug some don't - makes it bug!! not planed change!!
3d. CCP wanted ppl to have multiple account's, but now playing with ships like tengu not everyone can aford to menage multiple accounts.
4th. Every plex in game is counted. Even if there are ppl who have them 3000 or more there is limit to plexes. New plexes in game shows when someone buys them. So what if the person who have 3000 plexes buys them all cheeper and sells higher. If and IF only ppl stop playing multiple accounts, then market price of plex wind up much more because less players will buy plexes - much more means lose of players having multi acc, and this will led to circle. Higher plex price, lover players. And even if there will be new player who will buy plex and sell it 10 times higher price as its now ccp will lose ratio ( buying plex by cash - seling for isk ) lower count of ppl playing it's always bad for games like this!! SO CCP STOP MAKING PPL LEVE THIS GAME!! WE LOVE THIS GAME!!
5th. I won't lose much because I can work isk other ways but new players are in deep shi... |
Mikadomea Sinklar
Krautfleet
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.13 10:36:01 -
[68] - Quote
I have the same issue regardless if i fly Anoms, DED, Beltrats, or Missions. As soon as my drones are out im completely ignored by the rets and my drones melt away. |
Bulgr en Bauldry
Rogue Clones
Yulai Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.13 15:13:04 -
[69] - Quote
Kasia Skywalker wrote:couple of things:
1st. Gaming afk means ppl should be off their keyboard - not that you should hide your drones every 5 sec to save them. And then pull them off ( this makes drone game content useless )
2nd. Making it randomly - some characters have this bug some don't - makes it bug!! not planed change!!
3d. CCP wanted ppl to have multiple account's, but now playing with ships like tengu not everyone can aford to menage multiple accounts.
4th. Every plex in game is counted. Even if there are ppl who have them 3000 or more there is limit to plexes. New plexes in game shows when someone buys them. So what if the person who have 3000 plexes buys them all cheeper and sells higher. If and IF only ppl stop playing multiple accounts, then market price of plex wind up much more because less players will buy plexes - much more means lose of players having multi acc, and this will led to circle. Higher plex price, lover players. And even if there will be new player who will buy plex and sell it 10 times higher price as its now ccp will lose ratio ( buying plex by cash - seling for isk ) lower count of ppl playing it's always bad for games like this!! SO CCP STOP MAKING PPL LEVE THIS GAME!! WE LOVE THIS GAME!!
5th. I won't lose much because I can work isk other ways but new players are in deep shi...
Im sorry but im quite sure your udnerstanding about economy is not correct. Plex prices would drop if there was less demand, aka less accounts and other game components that utilize plex. It is the high demand that drives the price up. Expanding on that logic, as long as plex price is on steady rise(not just inflating), EVE cant be dying, because obviously there are people out there creating that buy pressure.
The point about plex speculation is valid, alltho i doubt it involves too high part of plex market. Its too common and too expensive of a item to easily speculate with. Easiest form of speculation would in this case be simply buying more plex than needed in hopes of continued price rise, as many people did im sure.
ps. examples are cool, but are you anywhere close to buying 3k plexes, or know some1 who could? because i aint. |
Kasia Skywalker
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2015.12.13 21:32:57 -
[70] - Quote
3k nope but close to 1k yes
and to think im living from plex to plex :P
ps. after maintenance my chars are good as new. Well se later. |
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John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
0
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Posted - 2015.12.13 23:29:13 -
[71] - Quote
I have the same issues.
Last time I rat triple 11 hours to push the index from 2 to 4, all forsaken hubs, all fine.
Today, as soon as I let go with my mouse and drop the drones they get attacked. Lost multiple drones even by trying to stay close.
Tick dropped down to under 10 mil with my Ishtar char. Battlecruisers/Command ships and Battleships don't seem to have the issue - the occasional cruiser switching to drones is normal due to the size differences.
While writing this I lost another and 2 went into armor -¦-¦
Edit: Also BC rats switch away from BS to attack drones now - only cruiser rats did that before. |
Ozka Omanid
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.13 23:58:47 -
[72] - Quote
I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.
The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.
If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.
Therefore I conclude its a bug. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2015.12.14 00:58:18 -
[73] - Quote
Question, do cruisers and up normally try to attack light drones? I was flinging some acolytes at some cruisers the other day in a serpentis site that I didn't need to scan down and they completely ignored my ship for the drones. From what I've been reading only frigates should be attacking light drones.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2199
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Posted - 2015.12.14 01:24:21 -
[74] - Quote
Ozka Omanid wrote:I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.
The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.
If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.
Therefore I conclude its a bug.
I've heard this a few times, where some systems will be far more aggressive to drones than others. which would lead me to believe it isn't a patch specific problem, although perhaps something in the patch made it appear more frequent? or is it just a bit of randomness that happens on server startup?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2199
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Posted - 2015.12.14 01:28:22 -
[75] - Quote
Linna Excel wrote:Question, do cruisers and up normally try to attack light drones? I was flinging some acolytes at some cruisers the other day in a serpentis site that I didn't need to scan down and they completely ignored my ship for the drones. From what I've been reading only frigates should be attacking light drones.
typically no.
however if your light drones were out when the spawned it is possible they targeted your drones first and shot at them. NPC ai seems a bit wonky on if they attack the biggest or smallest thing in the room. Or if the npc cruisers didn't have any aggro it is possible the drones triggered new entity (aka npcs are set up to attack the second person to warp in or drones that get deployed) or proximity aggro (aka the drones just got too close to the target).
I wasn't playing much at the time but I remember reading that when CCP first launched drone aggro it was way too high and whole sites would focus on drones.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Catalina Franklin
Blind Assault
Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2015.12.14 07:05:36 -
[76] - Quote
Just to put my 2 cents in. Currently I have been running anomalies (Havens) with my dominix and I am having similar issues as those posting before me. I do not afk rat because I don't wish to lose a ship and also by being at the keyboard I can try to max out my isk/tick. Now the problem I am facing is that rats do agro almost immediately to my sentries. There has not been any way as far as I have seen to be able to mitigate this problem. Constantly switching sentries adds the possibility that I will lose one and also has had a 10mil isk impact on my ticks.
To those that seem to enjoy this change, I don't see you switching guns every time one gets shot. And I dont afk rat so if your problem is with that then move on because this is effecting more than those that do. I understand drone agro happens every once in a while usually but this is getting a bit ridiculous and very tedious to say the least.
Edit: Also I have tried picking up my drones just to see if I could get the rats to focus the dominix again. Usually, even when firing hybrids, it takes around 25 seconds before the rats even attempt to lock me again and as soon as drones are dropped they are right back off of me. This definitely seems like a bug and needs to be fixed. |
Angelina Smart
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.14 07:11:07 -
[77] - Quote
Ozka Omanid wrote:I suspect this is a bug rather than an intended fix / nerf to drone ratting.
The reason I think this is because if I rat in one particular system then for the last 3 days, every time I launch drones, I lose aggro and they get shot. However, if I simply move nextdoor and do exactly the same thing, then I keep aggro and my drones are fine.
If I move back to the original system again, drones go back to getting shot.
Therefore I conclude its a bug.
I experienced the same thing. I think its a bug too. but It is only happening to one of my toons. |
John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
0
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Posted - 2015.12.14 10:12:33 -
[78] - Quote
It seems system related - yes; and in that context ... I had a couple of frostline spawns in that system.
Could it be that this is related, wherever frostline spawns it buggs the rats in that system.. or changes the rat AI ?!
It is a strange coincidence, but the system was fine before the beacons started spawning. Any observation on that, either confirmed or refuted ? |
Rayit
Bad Influence
I N G L O R I O U S
0
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Posted - 2015.12.14 20:57:44 -
[79] - Quote
Could I have a high slot EW weapon/tool that would allow me to take aggro from one drone? Stick 5 on my Dominix and I'm good to go?
Not ideal but balances things out a bit I guess. I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game. |
John'Doe the Second
SAS Veterinarians
1
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Posted - 2015.12.14 21:11:52 -
[80] - Quote
Rayit wrote:Could I have a high slot EW .....
First thing I tried, doesn't work.
Have you tried leaving and entering the system like I did ? I ran a Forsaken Hub in a none Frostline System and it fixed it for me temporarily. Haven't logged in yet so see if it stuck.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4857
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Posted - 2015.12.15 00:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
Rayit wrote:I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game.
Can't you just RR them?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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CENTUREAN
The Senate and People of Rome
Kids With Guns Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.15 01:23:41 -
[82] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Rayit wrote:I just want to play Mothership some more. It's not about being AFK, I just enjoy being the big tanky boss that sends my minions out to do my work. Quite happy giving up turret slots and/or DPS as long as I don't have to play the frustrating drone micro game. Can't you just RR them?
No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.
You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive.
Is there any word etc from CCP regarding this ? Drones/etc have been effectively removed from eve online. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4857
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Posted - 2015.12.15 02:57:24 -
[83] - Quote
CENTUREAN wrote:No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.
You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of setup are you running and what area?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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CENTUREAN
The Senate and People of Rome
Kids With Guns Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.15 04:56:02 -
[84] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:CENTUREAN wrote:No, the incoming dps cannot be repped with a single repper.
You would need a dedicated logi ship next to every pve ship dedicated to keeping drones alive. Just out of curiosity, what kind of setup are you running and what area?
Nullsec , BS class ship. ...
Years ago this was an issue, I equipped a dedicated logi ship with combat drones. I went through L3 missions just fine with a Oneiros. I was even able to tank L4 missions with my Oneiros, but couldn't put out enough DPS to get L4 BS mission rats. Oneiros is limited to bandwidth of 50 i think. Sure other ships can put out bigger drones but lack the logi range to keep them alive.
Other say to keep pumping out more drones...yet my pve ship only has enough room for 5 drones total. I would have to dock and restock 6.5M isk of drones every 20mins.
I have been playing for years and I've never played afk. I seriously don't know anyone who ever has. Pve takes alot of work as far as I'm concerned. My game play(isk) is effectively grounded now. |
Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:40:22 -
[85] - Quote
NPC KI changed in Covert Besieged Research Facilities. Before the patch, the rats never aggroed drones, no matter whether you pulled aggro first. Now it is impossible to draw aggro, they always target drones first and often 2-shot sentries and heavies from 70 km.
If this is intentional, it would be good to include it in the patch notes or get some information from a dev, so we can plan accordingly (goodbye Ishtar, hello Deimos). |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4861
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Posted - 2015.12.15 11:54:34 -
[86] - Quote
Pandora Bokks wrote:If this is intentional, it would be good to include it in the patch notes or get some information from a dev, so we can plan accordingly (goodbye Ishtar, hello Deimos).
Wouldn't that take the fun out of it?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
380
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Posted - 2015.12.15 15:36:47 -
[87] - Quote
Did not noticed any change yet. Maybe because my drones have optimal and control range of 150 km, so it is hard for NPC to hit them that far.
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Muto Bani
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.15 18:58:35 -
[88] - Quote
Hey Folks ! Since the recent patch rollout, ratting in a drone ship is simply broken.
The current situation ist unplayable - i suppose it is not an intention that a whole stage aggros one drone at a time and vaporises it in one shot.
Please fix this or at least tell us we should go for tengu ratting now.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1753
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Posted - 2015.12.15 23:38:26 -
[89] - Quote
Muto Bani wrote:Hey Folks ! Since the recent patch rollout, ratting in a drone ship is simply broken.
The current situation ist unplayable - i suppose it is not an intention that a whole stage aggros one drone at a time and vaporises it in one shot.
Please fix this or at least tell us we should go for tengu ratting now.
There are unconfirmed reports the drone aggro may have changed back to normal after last nights patch.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1024
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Posted - 2015.12.16 10:14:19 -
[90] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing. I however have my doubts if this will change anything because again change out of nowhere.
I've been running anoms in null in a Domi for years. I'll admit I've never looked for a way to afk anoms so it would not be impossible for a way to exist that I am unaware of, however I don't see how anyone could have AFKed anoms for years now. The drone aggro mechanics from several years ago has made it so that I am consantly having to recall my sentries and redeploy them even warping to 100 KM.
So my real question is do we know for sure that AFK anom running has been a thing or are you speculating?
I'm just curious because I'm reading this and don't see how it's possible.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2015.12.16 15:25:36 -
[91] - Quote
ergherhdfgh wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Stealth nerf to AFKtars online? About time. This is a very good thing. Now they can see what impact (if any) it will have on the big AFK farms in null and then buff the content into the headroom they created (presumably) so that people can generate wealth in line with their effort instead of the amount of alts they have. Maybe that will stop the poor nullies wingeing. I however have my doubts if this will change anything because again change out of nowhere. I've been running anoms in null in a Domi for years. I'll admit I've never looked for a way to afk anoms so it would not be impossible for a way to exist that I am unaware of, however I don't see how anyone could have AFKed anoms for years now. The drone aggro mechanics from several years ago has made it so that I am consantly having to recall my sentries and redeploy them even warping to 100 KM. So my real question is do we know for sure that AFK anom running has been a thing or are you speculating? I'm just curious because I'm reading this and don't see how it's possible.
It's not speculation. It's a fact.
See: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2014/01/fit-of-week-isktar.html
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kvQ5jBl0_w |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4868
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Posted - 2015.12.16 19:28:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hehe. "Afktar" or "ISKtar", lol.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.16 21:34:31 -
[93] - Quote
I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.
Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?
I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2015.12.16 22:20:01 -
[94] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.
Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?
I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it.
So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay? |
Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.16 22:23:45 -
[95] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.
Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?
I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it. So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay?
uhhh what? when did i say that?
AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2015.12.16 22:46:32 -
[96] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.
Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?
I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it. So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay? uhhh what? when did i say that? AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well
Yet the reverse cannot be said in the blue donut. Sounds like risk vs. reward is out of whack. |
Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:22:48 -
[97] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:I think its pretty obvious that this is just a bug and not a ninja nerf, as somebody else said its probably due to the new operation frostline sites. Also the fact that the drone aggro is only bugged in some systems and fine in others which i can also confirm as being true.
Anyways a whole lot of GRR "AFK" ratting going on with not a single person being able to explain why someone ratting semi afk is bad for the game?
I mean if they are afk or semi afk that makes them pretty easy to kill right? so go kill them instead of crying about it. So people AFK farming/mining in hisec is bad, but doing the same activity in nullsec is okay? uhhh what? when did i say that? AFK farm and mine in hi sec all you want i dont care, easier to gank as well Yet the reverse cannot be said in the blue donut. Sounds like risk vs. reward is out of whack.
Ok and how is the risk vs reward any different for an active ratting ship? In fact it's probably less risk active ratting since you are paying attention. I see AFK ratting as higher risk since you are an easy target to anyone trying to PVP you. |
Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:47:34 -
[98] - Quote
Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.
I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.
Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.
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Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.16 23:49:18 -
[99] - Quote
Khaos Hammer wrote:Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.
I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.
Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.
Try a different system or a few if you can, it seems that some systems bug out do to the frostline sites. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
704
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Posted - 2015.12.17 00:12:04 -
[100] - Quote
Khaos Hammer wrote:So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic.
Dat Karma yo.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4879
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Posted - 2015.12.17 01:15:10 -
[101] - Quote
I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.17 03:52:53 -
[102] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:Khaos Hammer wrote:So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic. Dat Karma yo.
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, but...cool story, I guess? You sound bitter. And as tragic as that is, it has pretty much nothing to do with this topic. |
Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.17 03:54:54 -
[103] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:Khaos Hammer wrote:Every time there's a post like this, the trolls come out in force. They love to throw around "carebear" and "no AFK ratting for you" without really understanding the issue.
I live in nullsec and I don't AFK rat. I pay attention. But I do use drone boats and, in fact, was training to use the Ishtar. Right now, I can't even use my VNI. Every time I try to run a site, the rats just aggro the drones over and over. I spend more time pulling them in and releasing them than I do killing the rats. Sometimes, the rats all target the same drone and just destroy it. I use Caldari Navy Wasps, so that's 3-4 mil down the drain, which really eats into profits.
Can I switch ships? Sure. I can use my Gila with no issue because they really can't hit the medium drones. I can switch to my Raven, which really doesn't depend on drones for DPS. And that's fine for me, but some people only trained drone skills and don't have as many skill points as I do. And it still sucks to have ships like the VNI, Ishtar, and Dominix be neutered by something like this. It's actually torturous to use them to rat with now, so they'll just sit in my hanger.
So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
So, yeah. I'd like to know if this is a bug or intentional. Because if it's intentional, then the drone boats just got a big nerf.
Try a different system or a few if you can, it seems that some systems bug out due too the frostline sites.
Yeah, I did. All seemed fine at first. I ran an entire Forsaken Hub without any drone aggro. I actually thought that was the trick and moved all of my ratting ships to that system. Then, on the very next hub I ran, it was nonstop drone aggro just like the previous system. It's either random, bugged, or has something to do with the indexes. Either way, I'm parking my drone boats for now. The only one that gets away with it is the Gila and that's just because they can't hit the medium drones very well, but I still see them shoot at them nonstop.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
708
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Posted - 2015.12.17 03:59:52 -
[104] - Quote
Khaos Hammer wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Khaos Hammer wrote:So, you trolls really need to get off your high horses. Just because this doesn't impact you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. I rat to fund my PvP ships that I buy to kill you with. Not everyone who is affected by this i s a carebear. And I would really like to use the Ishtar I have been training for for weeks. I personally like using different ships to mix it up, but that doesn't mean that I want the drone boats to be useless.
Considering the amount of trolling mission runners got with the burner bug a few weeks age, some of it from SpaceMonkey's Alliance and other nullsec groups iirc, this post is particularly ironic. Dat Karma yo. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, but...cool story, I guess? You sound bitter. And as tragic as that is, it has pretty much nothing to do with this topic.
I dunno, that was a bug, this seems to be a bug. Situation seems pretty similar to me. But I've been enjoying seeing the very same people laughing at the expensive of hi-sec players crying buckets of tears over a bug. So yea, I guess it is a cool story
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
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Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.17 04:00:11 -
[105] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal.
I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2015.12.17 22:10:07 -
[106] - Quote
Khaos Hammer wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal. I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones.
Sucks to be you. Cool story bro... |
Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.18 01:08:18 -
[107] - Quote
Estella Osoka wrote:Khaos Hammer wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal. I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones. Sucks to be you. Cool story bro...
awww did goonies touch you in the wrong place? QQ |
Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.18 01:12:44 -
[108] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Khaos Hammer wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't honestly say if I noticed the drone aggro 'glitch', but I ran a Burner mission today and they basically left my drones alone - so I would assume that this is now close to or back to normal. I don't know about missions, but I'm still encountering this on Forsaken Hubs and Havens in nullsec. It's definitely not fixed. My ship rarely even gets attacked. They just keep targeting the drones. Sucks to be you. Cool story bro... awww did goonies touch you in the wrong place? QQ
It sounds like she needs a hug to me. So much anger. That's the problem with trying to post anything in these forums or look for help. It always turns into a $#!t show because people seem to forget that they're playing a game.
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CENTUREAN
The Senate and People of Rome
Kids With Guns Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.18 06:46:14 -
[109] - Quote
In my case, there seems to be a damage notification lag. It shows half shield damage on the drone, once called in it will have full damage.
Right now I'm returning my sentries every 8 seconds to try and not lose drones.
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.18 11:37:30 -
[110] - Quote
Hey Gorishimo Watia! Didn't expect to see you in here. Couple people saying it's fixed, some saying it's still broken. I just downloaded the second mini-update in two days. What's the story? We back in business, or the drones still down for the count?
Someone mentioned it being related to system, and I truly believe they're on to something. Most of us with only one account would naturally rat as close to home as practical to reduce travel time or ship switching if needed. However some with alts, or who jump clone to rat might not be effected. Just a theory so far, but explains the varied results. Some others feel it's busted code from the frontline junk. Would love an update, thanks. |
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Posted - 2015.12.18 15:57:43 -
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Hello everybody,
I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against.
So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all.
At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you.
Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.
- NPCs are aware of signature radius.
- NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
- NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).
I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release.
EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Space Glitter
Always bet on the Drifters.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13175
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Posted - 2015.12.18 17:32:19 -
[112] - Quote
CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody, I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against. So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all. At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you. Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.
- NPCs are aware of signature radius.
- NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
- NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).
I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release. EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.
Well, that's one way of saying "the logs, they show nothing"
I've always thought it was, to be honest, weird as hell that boosting a faction cruiser (navy vexor) or HAC (ishtar) with an oversized AB generally resulted in NPCs not attacking your drones in high end anomalies. This is what makes the "isktar" possible in the 1st place, the 100mn AB isn't just about tanking.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2015.12.18 17:38:39 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody, I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against. So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all. At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you. Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.
- NPCs are aware of signature radius.
- NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
- NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).
I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release. EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
411
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Posted - 2015.12.18 18:51:46 -
[114] - Quote
Hrm,
My main drone bug is having my Drones disengage a target I hotkey commanded them to attack and switch targets without authorization.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4880
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:10:01 -
[115] - Quote
So is it possible drones were always bugged in null and never working properly to begin with?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13175
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Posted - 2015.12.18 20:14:10 -
[116] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:So is it possible drones were always bugged in null and never working properly to begin with?
That thought occurred to me. When I've used an "AFKtar" or the Navy Vexor version with a 100mn AB I got almost no aggro on my drones, but the same ship with a proper sized AB got loads of aggro on drones.
If that behavior was a bug and now it's working correctly, well this wouldn't be the 1st time CCP accidental fixed a bug without knowing it  |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2015.12.18 22:01:46 -
[117] - Quote
We Fixed the Glitch. |
Cipio Alduin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.12.19 01:35:36 -
[118] - Quote
i was in 3T7-M8 ratting in an Ishtar and i warped to a Guristas Hidden Hub, and i could barely kill the frigates before i lost 1 Caldari navy wasp, i tried to recall it once i saw no rats in the site were attacking me and they were focusing this 1 wasp, it was half way back when it died and then i recalled all my other drones and they switched onto another one and once it arrived at my ship it was in structure, these sites are literaly un-doable with this level of drone agro, not once was my ship shot at once i deployed drones. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
116
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Posted - 2015.12.19 02:10:21 -
[119] - Quote
I don't know if this was brought to the table earlier, but is it possible that CCP put a little too much effort in the ai of the npc-rats and they are just tired of being killed by drones and they changed their tactics like a player would do and we are just too lazy to adapt the new situation?
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13176
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Posted - 2015.12.19 04:08:19 -
[120] - Quote
Hmmm, NPCs slaughtering Drones in null anomalies, making afk isking harder (impossible for some)+ plex dropping from Frostline sites. PLEX prices crashing....
Coincidence? (yea probably is tbh, but dear god I hope not ) |
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien
Phoenix Company Alliance
132
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:16:14 -
[121] - Quote
Same for me, its just not possible to make isk in null for me ;( |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1788
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:58:14 -
[122] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Hmmm, NPCs slaughtering Drones in null anomalies, making afk isking harder (impossible for some)+ plex dropping from Frostline sites. PLEX prices crashing....Coincidence? (yea probably is tbh, but dear god I hope not )
Interesting thoughts, now all you need to complete that sacred pentacle, is drifters randomly entering incursions, a free plex in the christmas stocking, and CCP "dropping the hint that they like the idea of sub 500m plex"
Or go the full hexagram with something something forest cat in escalations..............
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2015.12.19 13:10:53 -
[123] - Quote
Has anyone checked comparative ranges yet?
Diagnosing AI issues is typically as fun as getting a root canal whilst having a rabid hamster in ones arse.
In past interest in trying to decode the new AI I did notice some oddities that dont fit with the normal "common sense" people spew about drones.. One is that they are in fact aware of range.
The example I will use is the Sanctum anomaly. You generally warp in near the center of the cluster of rings. If you don't move sometimes drones beyond 50km will seemingly for no interest lose interest in you and begin attacking your drones(this of course assumes no link etc to hold threat).
The assumption I was forced to make watching this behavior is that not only do drones read sig radius.. they use this to determine ability to return damage against the target. IE the drone checks "can i shoot the ishtar and cause damage" if no then switch to drones. This would explain some oddities with larger ships which naturally have longer optimal ranges even on NPCs. Such as at point blank range NPCs will ignore heavy drones far more often than if you launched them from across the room. |
Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 16:07:18 -
[124] - Quote
CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody, I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against. So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all. At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you. Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.
- NPCs are aware of signature radius.
- NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
- NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).
I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release. EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.
I should have been more specific in my bug report. All drones are getting the aggro. I have tested different ships, different ranges, etc. I don't think this is happening in all systems, but the systems I primarily rat in are affected. I'm also occasionally able to run an entire Forsaken Hub with no drone aggro, but it's random. When it does happen, it's nonstop. The rats will all focus on one drone until it's either dead, or retrieved, then they'll switch to another. They don't even shoot at my ship. Pulling all drones and releasing them does nothing to reset this. Shooting them with turrets does nothing to pull the aggro.
I will try to record a video of it, if I can and submit another bug report.
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:55:00 -
[125] - Quote
CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody,
(no idea about the bug, give us proof, stuff)
I was unable to take video of the issue (I play on a toaster), but here's a screenshot. Basically how it works is you start the site, and unlike usual, rats start focus firing your drones. You recall the drone with aggro, and they start shooting at you again. You drop another drone, and send it out with the other 4. A few seconds later, a different drone gets aggro. You again call that one home, regain aggro, and put a "fresh drone" out. That's a "good" day lately. Half the time when the drone with aggro dies or is returned, they just switch to another drone. The juggling is so extreme, and target switches so swift, there is no way to kill anything before losing drones.
This site is a guristas haven, first wave. I killed 3-4 of the first wave ships, but as you can see, I recalled 2 drones already, with a third under fire. and returning. I was lucky in this instance. Generally at that distance they don't survive the trip back to my ship if the rats are too far out.
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Scifischizo
Shadow Legion X
The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2015.12.20 09:34:43 -
[126] - Quote
Yep, getting this issue in both the "Cloud" and "Asteroid" version of Guristas Havens with Wasp IIs and Geckos. Even the trick of adding an ECM burst and permarunning that doesn't suck the aggro back to your ship. CCP has removed the ability to use drones for PvE. It'd be nice if they would at least admit it :( |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4884
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:39:06 -
[127] - Quote
Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:14:03 -
[128] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar.
so just a troll or cant read? Maybe both?
One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait. |
Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:29:55 -
[129] - Quote
I was able to get it working (at least temporarily) by ejecting then entering my ship again. I got a message saying my session was changing, screen paused/froze for 2 seconds, then it let me back in the ship. Rats behaved normally after engaging them. I don't know how long it will last, but worked for a couple rat waves so far. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4885
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:22:44 -
[130] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait.
Unless NPC behaviour towards drones was always glitched in the first place. If you're looking for sympathy for 'F1 monkeys', you're not going to find it...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13178
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:12:59 -
[131] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait. Unless NPC behaviour towards drones was always glitched in the first place. If you're looking for sympathy for 'F1 monkeys', you're not going to find it...
Guy on Reddit said it perfectly Quote:
[GÇô]DTK99Cloaked [score hidden] 15 minutes ago
You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market.
I lul'd, I admit it. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4885
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:22:31 -
[132] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it.
But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work... 
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Stellan Crendraven
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2015.12.21 08:38:32 -
[133] - Quote
I'm in no way condoning AFK activities, but this bug is getting on my nerves as it applies to a couple solar systems only so far, and on only one character out of several.
So far I have tried to following:
* Logging in Bugged System 1, warping to Gated Haven, 7x Wasp II and 4x Geckos get aggroed within a minute even while ECM burst or Warfare Link is active.
* Jump out to Bugged System 2, repeat, same observations
* Jump out to System 3, repeat, no problems.
Drones are set on aggressive with focus fire.
In the beginning, there was pain and despair. And death. Immense tragedies and terrible catastrophies.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
946
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:04:19 -
[134] - Quote
Gorishimo Watia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar. so just a troll or cant read? Maybe both? One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem. So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait.
No, the Dev stated they did not do anything intentional; but they also do not see anything wrong, and everything was working as intended.
So if you are having issues, video it and put in a bug report. If you can't be bothered, and this "issue" is happening to you; then suck it up buttercup. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4886
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:41:38 -
[135] - Quote
If an AFK drone dies in null-sec, does anyone care?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1783
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:36:30 -
[136] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:If an AFK drone dies in null-sec, does anyone care?
According to Descarte the drone would care.
According to Bishop Berkeley God would care.
David Hume would be unsure if anything happened at all.
Derrida would deconstruct it and decide caring or not would be purely a matter of how of those potentially caring feel about the matter. |
Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.22 08:31:28 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot.
In case anybody missed it, the dev edited his post to say they might be onto something |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:12:51 -
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Savannah Lion wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot. In case anybody missed it, the dev edited his post to say they might be onto something
Yeah, but from what I heard they don't make patches during the holidays. So it won't be until January when you see a fix. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4892
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:17:06 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSYlCEz5VI
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Anthar Thebess
1399
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Posted - 2015.12.23 08:43:49 -
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This is funny.
I do missions against the caldari.
Some time ago , 6-8 months ago after some patch aggro from caldari rats changed so much that in one day doing missions in Dominix become impossible task.
From normal behavior where drones got aggro from time to time, could tank it for a while before you killed aggressive target or scoped them, aggro moved to situation where deployed drones died to alpha damage from all room. ( caldari like missiles)
Solution was quite simple i moved from dominix to rattlesnake.
Bonus from the hull allow me to scope drones in time , and they don't usually die. (but there are situations where rattlesnake buffed drone die in 20-30s)
Dps from the ship itself , help to keep dps on the ship itself.
Tl;DR:
Things you say, for some people became an issue months ago.
Base eve rule : ADAPT or DIE
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
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Khaos Hammer
All Area
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 14:48:53 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it. But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work...
So anyone who tries to earn ISK in the game is a nullbear? How do you fund your PvP activities? Do you just buy plexes all the time? if so, good for you. I rat between fleets and solo PvP. That does not make me a "nullbear". You should probably check your definition.
Yes, you can use other ships. So now we're going to make drone ships obsolete and no one will use those. Is that an ideal solution? I don't think CCP really wants that. Who wants to use a ship that takes twice as long to do the same site because you keep losing/pulling drones all the time? We're not looking for an AFK solution, which frankly, you can't do in nullsec anyway. We just want to be able to do sites without the drones constantly getting destroyed or having to pull and release them because that's the ONLY thing the rats attack.
You're just trolling and it doesn't help. Get a hobby. Or, go play EVE. I don't care, just GTFO with your shitposts. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
957
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Posted - 2015.12.23 15:56:21 -
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Khaos Hammer wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it. But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work... So anyone who tries to earn ISK in the game is a nullbear? How do you fund your PvP activities? Do you just buy plexes all the time? if so, good for you. I rat between fleets and solo PvP. That does not make me a "nullbear". You should probably check your definition. Yes, you can use other ships. So now we're going to make drone ships obsolete and no one will use those. Is that an ideal solution? I don't think CCP really wants that. Who wants to use a ship that takes twice as long to do the same site because you keep losing/pulling drones all the time? We're not looking for an AFK solution, which frankly, you can't do in nullsec anyway. We just want to be able to do sites without the drones constantly getting destroyed or having to pull and release them because that's the ONLY thing the rats attack. You're just trolling and it doesn't help. Get a hobby. Or, go play EVE. I don't care, just GTFO with your shitposts.
You mad bro?
I personally fund my PvP by running missions, exploration, mining, incursions, FW, or playing the market. The last option is the best and requires little effort on my part.
I've always been told that if option A doesn't work you got to option B. If option B doesn't work you go to option C; and so on. Sounds like you don't want to do that, so I guess it sucks to be you. |
Jaqen H'gh'ar
The Office.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:35:36 -
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but my corp and I have done a lot of testing (we are the cariest of bears, so this has been ******* with our vibes),
Fix 1: Log in to game, undock, go to different system and rat. If you attempt to rat in the same system that you undock in on the first session after your log-in, you'll spread the bug for yourself into those systems.
Fix 2: Warp to a POS, eject, re-board ship. Seems to clear the rat aggro bug also.
We obviously don't really know anything about the game's code, but we think it would have to do with Brain-in-a-Box not recognizing everything in the formula that determines rat AI which usually results in your ship taking damage, but instead sees the drones as the more valid target (but only on the first session after log in and on undock).
I've done both on multiple characters in multiple ships of multiple types (Ishtars and Carrier). Using one of the two fixes above works 100% of the time as far as I can tell, consistently enough that we've just determined that was the "fix" until something else is applied. I haven't heard of using either of these not working.
Also, on the topic of "**** you for afk-ratting": this doesn't apply to AFK ratting. A better solution would be to make it so that all drones have the same behavior as fighters, which doesn't punish a particular weapon platform. This seems pretty obvious that it's a bug. |
Tedric
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2015.12.24 23:49:38 -
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I have just run into this bug for the first time.
In the same system i first ran a Frostline. Then scanned down a Gurista Military Operations and ran into the bug. It could be that I was already bugged on the frostline, but the NPCs died so fast that they did not have a chance to attack them.
I moved onto the next system, scanned down a Military Complex and that was also bugged. I gave up at that point.
Then i found this thread.
Something that people have not said is that once infected it also affects belt rats (same AI i[m guessing).
I going to hazard a guess that you either are bugged at the time of first undock after logging in or not.
Time to Aggro (TTA) is variable between 3 seconds and about 30 seconds. More commonly closer to the 30 second end of things.
After reading Jaqen H'gh'ar post i started to play with session changes to try and fix it.
I am in agreement that session changes fixes the bug. I managed to un-bug myself by ejecting from my ship and then climbing back in (this was not in a POS). As i write this, i'm running the Military Operations that was previously bugged and claimed about 8 of my drones.
Before the bug went away I did jump through gates twice and eject once more before with no sucess. so a session change does not work unconditionally.
I have yet to find out if I am fixed i other systems. |
CENTUREAN
The Senate and People of Rome
Kids With Guns Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.25 10:01:34 -
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Happy holidays!
I wanted to add something.
My standard PVE ship is unplayable because of the broken drone issue. So I picked up a Faction version of my pve ship. My faction ship is ignored completely by the current drone issue.
I had suspected that it had something to do with the Frostline code, yet my faction ship drones are immune to the issue entirely.
My corpmates have the isk and high skill point to move to any ship in the game. Thus we are immune from bugs and balance changes. This issue will hurt younger players , therefore I hope this gets resolved soon.
Thx to everyone who is participating in this thread.
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Tedric
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:04:52 -
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All,
It appears that i may be permanent drone bugged.
I have tried everything I did above and more increasingly intricate methods of trying to debug myself.
It is also interesting to note that:
1. Multiple clone jumps to far away places does not affect this.
2. Multiple clone deaths in far away places does not affect this.
3. Clearing cache (on both accounts while using the beta launcher).
4. Being 5+ regions away from my ratting home for 2+ days does not affect this.
I am open to suggestions to try and drone debug myself.
T. |
Mynts Pants
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:13:14 -
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Not sure if this is resolved or not, but I do think I know the issue
Brain in the box (love it but it needs work)
Try doing this, when you have drone agro issues, leave your ship.. wait a min and board your ship again (IN SPACE).
I run carriers, ishtars, blah blah blah about 5 ships in total and this has fixed every issue. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
13239
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Posted - 2015.12.31 00:34:25 -
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somewhat off topic, but this thread points out something I've known about PVErs since I killed my 1st rat and visited this forum: PVE players are intensely superstitious lol. If you told some of us "if you jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes, X will happen in game", many would be jumping right now
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4917
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Posted - 2015.12.31 02:09:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:somewhat off topic, but this thread points out something I've known about PVErs since I killed my 1st rat and visited this forum: PVE players are intensely superstitious lol. If you told some of us "if you jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes, X will happen in game", many would be jumping right now
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CCP Paradox
1428
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Posted - 2016.01.11 15:54:38 -
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Just as an update to this, we did indeed find that drone aggro in PvE has changed in December, and we are working on a fix. No ETA yet as we have only just identified where the problem occurs, but hopefully we will have this solved shortly.
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
Always bet on the Drifters.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1833
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Posted - 2016.01.11 23:08:37 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:somewhat off topic, but this thread points out something I've known about PVErs since I killed my 1st rat and visited this forum: PVE players are intensely superstitious lol. If you told some of us "if you jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes, X will happen in game", many would be jumping right now
Whilst true, there have been many many times in various games where the devs have announced "you know that weird thing where people claimed if you increase xxx you nerf your yyy even though they are totally unrelated, well we have finally found the bug that is causing that" . Generally it turns out to be some programming version of the butterfly effect, some one tweaks some parameter or code not realizing someone in the past was also calling that same parameter or code to modify something else seeming unrelated.
Regardless - it is good progress that the problem has been confirmed as real and the source of the issue identified. |
K Raz
Lone Star Warriors
Yulai Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.01.12 18:36:10 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Just as an update to this, we did indeed find that drone aggro in PvE has changed in December, and we are working on a fix. No ETA yet as we have only just identified where the problem occurs, but hopefully we will have this solved shortly.
The odd thing is that it worked fine yesterday, but re-bugged today (Rattler, imperial preators, no ewar, sansha) I'd hate being the guy going through the code. Issue started with the bigger grids and frostline.
Happy bug hunting o7 :p |
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CCP Paradox
1430
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Posted - 2016.01.13 14:52:21 -
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Thank you for all the help in debugging this issue, a fix is now scheduled to be deployed tomorrow, 14th January.
Fly safe o7
CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Astro Sparkle
Always bet on the Drifters.
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Imalia Bloodlines
Imalia Bloodlines Warfare and Trading Corporation
3
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Posted - 2016.01.15 23:18:17 -
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Guys, was this actually fixed? I tried today using worm against some burners (angel/guristas), it does not work...they get instantly focused and killed. Just let me know if thats normal so that I can abandon worm as an idea... |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4937
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Posted - 2016.01.16 00:50:32 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:Guys, was this actually fixed? I tried today using worm against some burners (angel/guristas), it does not work...they get instantly focused and killed. Just let me know if thats normal so that I can abandon worm as an idea...
Burners always kill drones, this hasn't really changed.
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King Aires
Chicks on Speed
Mordus Angels
90
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Posted - 2016.01.16 01:05:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Imalia Bloodlines wrote:Guys, was this actually fixed? I tried today using worm against some burners (angel/guristas), it does not work...they get instantly focused and killed. Just let me know if thats normal so that I can abandon worm as an idea... Burners always kill drones, this hasn't really changed.
You mean "Burners always one shot drones" right? |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
733
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Posted - 2016.01.17 01:27:36 -
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As per the patch notes:
Quote:Resolving an issue where changing ships in stations would cause NPCs to prioritize attacking drones rather than your ship.
lol
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
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Tedric
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:07:24 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Thank you for all the help in debugging this issue, a fix is now scheduled to be deployed tomorrow, 14th January.
Fly safe o7
Well, it looks like the bug is gone.
But i did have to get into another ship band back into my drone ship before things were fixed.
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