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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:16:14 -
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Same for me, its just not possible to make isk in null for me ;( |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1788
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:58:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hmmm, NPCs slaughtering Drones in null anomalies, making afk isking harder (impossible for some)+ plex dropping from Frostline sites. PLEX prices crashing....Coincidence? (yea probably is tbh, but dear god I hope not )
Interesting thoughts, now all you need to complete that sacred pentacle, is drifters randomly entering incursions, a free plex in the christmas stocking, and CCP "dropping the hint that they like the idea of sub 500m plex" Or go the full hexagram with something something forest cat in escalations..............
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2015.12.19 13:10:53 -
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Has anyone checked comparative ranges yet?
Diagnosing AI issues is typically as fun as getting a root canal whilst having a rabid hamster in ones arse.
In past interest in trying to decode the new AI I did notice some oddities that dont fit with the normal "common sense" people spew about drones.. One is that they are in fact aware of range. The example I will use is the Sanctum anomaly. You generally warp in near the center of the cluster of rings. If you don't move sometimes drones beyond 50km will seemingly for no interest lose interest in you and begin attacking your drones(this of course assumes no link etc to hold threat). The assumption I was forced to make watching this behavior is that not only do drones read sig radius.. they use this to determine ability to return damage against the target. IE the drone checks "can i shoot the ishtar and cause damage" if no then switch to drones. This would explain some oddities with larger ships which naturally have longer optimal ranges even on NPCs. Such as at point blank range NPCs will ignore heavy drones far more often than if you launched them from across the room. |
Khaos Hammer
All Area SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.19 16:07:18 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody, I have been investigating this issue this week, and wanted to drop by with a report. Thanks to everyone submitting bug reports on this, it's been helpful to include what drones you were using and what NPCs you were up against. So here is where we are at. We have made no conscious change to NPC aggression against drones or players. This then means either their behavior has changed through an unintended change to the game, or nothing has actually changed at all. At first I could not identify anything has changed, and after reading this forum thread I am still continuing to investigate until we have a identified an answer for you. Now, some clarifications on how to expect an NPC choose to attack since Retribution based on the discussion here.
- NPCs are aware of signature radius.
- NPCs are aware of when you are tanking.
- NPCs are aware of where the damage is coming from (from a ship, or from a drone).
I will reply when I have more information if we identify an issue was introduced in the December (Operation Frostline) release. EDIT: If anyone wants to record a Youtube video of their activities where you believe your Drones are being attacked too much, please feel free to do so. This will help even more.
I should have been more specific in my bug report. All drones are getting the aggro. I have tested different ships, different ranges, etc. I don't think this is happening in all systems, but the systems I primarily rat in are affected. I'm also occasionally able to run an entire Forsaken Hub with no drone aggro, but it's random. When it does happen, it's nonstop. The rats will all focus on one drone until it's either dead, or retrieved, then they'll switch to another. They don't even shoot at my ship. Pulling all drones and releasing them does nothing to reset this. Shooting them with turrets does nothing to pull the aggro.
I will try to record a video of it, if I can and submit another bug report.
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Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:55:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Hello everybody,
(no idea about the bug, give us proof, stuff)
I was unable to take video of the issue (I play on a toaster), but here's a screenshot. Basically how it works is you start the site, and unlike usual, rats start focus firing your drones. You recall the drone with aggro, and they start shooting at you again. You drop another drone, and send it out with the other 4. A few seconds later, a different drone gets aggro. You again call that one home, regain aggro, and put a "fresh drone" out. That's a "good" day lately. Half the time when the drone with aggro dies or is returned, they just switch to another drone. The juggling is so extreme, and target switches so swift, there is no way to kill anything before losing drones.
This site is a guristas haven, first wave. I killed 3-4 of the first wave ships, but as you can see, I recalled 2 drones already, with a third under fire. and returning. I was lucky in this instance. Generally at that distance they don't survive the trip back to my ship if the rats are too far out.
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Scifischizo
Shadow Legion X The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2015.12.20 09:34:43 -
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Yep, getting this issue in both the "Cloud" and "Asteroid" version of Guristas Havens with Wasp IIs and Geckos. Even the trick of adding an ECM burst and permarunning that doesn't suck the aggro back to your ship. CCP has removed the ability to use drones for PvE. It'd be nice if they would at least admit it :( |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4884
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:39:06 -
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Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Gorishimo Watia
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:14:03 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar.
so just a troll or cant read? Maybe both?
One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait. |
Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:29:55 -
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I was able to get it working (at least temporarily) by ejecting then entering my ship again. I got a message saying my session was changing, screen paused/froze for 2 seconds, then it let me back in the ship. Rats behaved normally after engaging them. I don't know how long it will last, but worked for a couple rat waves so far. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4885
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Posted - 2015.12.21 00:22:44 -
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Gorishimo Watia wrote:One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait. Unless NPC behaviour towards drones was always glitched in the first place. If you're looking for sympathy for 'F1 monkeys', you're not going to find it...
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13178
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:12:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Gorishimo Watia wrote:One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem.
So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait. Unless NPC behaviour towards drones was always glitched in the first place. If you're looking for sympathy for 'F1 monkeys', you're not going to find it...
Guy on Reddit said it perfectly Quote: [GÇô]DTK99Cloaked [score hidden] 15 minutes ago
You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market.
I lul'd, I admit it. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4885
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:22:31 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it. But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Stellan Crendraven
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2015.12.21 08:38:32 -
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I'm in no way condoning AFK activities, but this bug is getting on my nerves as it applies to a couple solar systems only so far, and on only one character out of several.
So far I have tried to following:
* Logging in Bugged System 1, warping to Gated Haven, 7x Wasp II and 4x Geckos get aggroed within a minute even while ECM burst or Warfare Link is active. * Jump out to Bugged System 2, repeat, same observations * Jump out to System 3, repeat, no problems.
Drones are set on aggressive with focus fire.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
946
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:04:19 -
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Gorishimo Watia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Still not seeing a problem with this. RIP AFKtar and ISKtar. so just a troll or cant read? Maybe both? One DEV has already stated this is not intentional, and even more people have stated this bug does not happen all the time and is mostly not a problem. So that means i can now AFKtar with my 10 accounts at once. Does this make you mad little boy? You want to come out to my blue donut AFK farm and PVP me? Oh wait.
No, the Dev stated they did not do anything intentional; but they also do not see anything wrong, and everything was working as intended.
So if you are having issues, video it and put in a bug report. If you can't be bothered, and this "issue" is happening to you; then suck it up buttercup. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4886
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:41:38 -
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If an AFK drone dies in null-sec, does anyone care?
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1783
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Posted - 2015.12.21 22:36:30 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:If an AFK drone dies in null-sec, does anyone care?
According to Descarte the drone would care.
According to Bishop Berkeley God would care.
David Hume would be unsure if anything happened at all.
Derrida would deconstruct it and decide caring or not would be purely a matter of how of those potentially caring feel about the matter. |
Savannah Lion
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.12.22 08:31:28 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot.
In case anybody missed it, the dev edited his post to say they might be onto something |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2015.12.22 14:12:51 -
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Savannah Lion wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot. In case anybody missed it, the dev edited his post to say they might be onto something
Yeah, but from what I heard they don't make patches during the holidays. So it won't be until January when you see a fix. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4892
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:17:06 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Edit: (21/12) We believe we have identified the possible issue, and are working on exploring this further with debugging tools. Thanks to all the reports coming in, please keep them coming and provide as much helpful information as you can manage as this is helping a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enSYlCEz5VI
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Anthar Thebess
1399
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Posted - 2015.12.23 08:43:49 -
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This is funny. I do missions against the caldari. Some time ago , 6-8 months ago after some patch aggro from caldari rats changed so much that in one day doing missions in Dominix become impossible task. From normal behavior where drones got aggro from time to time, could tank it for a while before you killed aggressive target or scoped them, aggro moved to situation where deployed drones died to alpha damage from all room. ( caldari like missiles)
Solution was quite simple i moved from dominix to rattlesnake. Bonus from the hull allow me to scope drones in time , and they don't usually die. (but there are situations where rattlesnake buffed drone die in 20-30s) Dps from the ship itself , help to keep dps on the ship itself.
Tl;DR: Things you say, for some people became an issue months ago. Base eve rule : ADAPT or DIE
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Khaos Hammer
All Area SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 14:48:53 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it. But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work...
So anyone who tries to earn ISK in the game is a nullbear? How do you fund your PvP activities? Do you just buy plexes all the time? if so, good for you. I rat between fleets and solo PvP. That does not make me a "nullbear". You should probably check your definition.
Yes, you can use other ships. So now we're going to make drone ships obsolete and no one will use those. Is that an ideal solution? I don't think CCP really wants that. Who wants to use a ship that takes twice as long to do the same site because you keep losing/pulling drones all the time? We're not looking for an AFK solution, which frankly, you can't do in nullsec anyway. We just want to be able to do sites without the drones constantly getting destroyed or having to pull and release them because that's the ONLY thing the rats attack.
You're just trolling and it doesn't help. Get a hobby. Or, go play EVE. I don't care, just GTFO with your shitposts. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
957
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Posted - 2015.12.23 15:56:21 -
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Khaos Hammer wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:"You know I believe there are ships in the game that don't rely on drones to do damage. Pretty sure they were released a few years ago, although due to low popularity you might not be able to find them in your local nullbear market."
I lul'd, I admit it. But it means clicking on a target and pressing keys. Altogether too much work... So anyone who tries to earn ISK in the game is a nullbear? How do you fund your PvP activities? Do you just buy plexes all the time? if so, good for you. I rat between fleets and solo PvP. That does not make me a "nullbear". You should probably check your definition. Yes, you can use other ships. So now we're going to make drone ships obsolete and no one will use those. Is that an ideal solution? I don't think CCP really wants that. Who wants to use a ship that takes twice as long to do the same site because you keep losing/pulling drones all the time? We're not looking for an AFK solution, which frankly, you can't do in nullsec anyway. We just want to be able to do sites without the drones constantly getting destroyed or having to pull and release them because that's the ONLY thing the rats attack. You're just trolling and it doesn't help. Get a hobby. Or, go play EVE. I don't care, just GTFO with your shitposts.
You mad bro?
I personally fund my PvP by running missions, exploration, mining, incursions, FW, or playing the market. The last option is the best and requires little effort on my part.
I've always been told that if option A doesn't work you got to option B. If option B doesn't work you go to option C; and so on. Sounds like you don't want to do that, so I guess it sucks to be you. |
Jaqen H'gh'ar
The Office.
0
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Posted - 2015.12.23 18:35:36 -
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but my corp and I have done a lot of testing (we are the cariest of bears, so this has been ******* with our vibes),
Fix 1: Log in to game, undock, go to different system and rat. If you attempt to rat in the same system that you undock in on the first session after your log-in, you'll spread the bug for yourself into those systems.
Fix 2: Warp to a POS, eject, re-board ship. Seems to clear the rat aggro bug also.
We obviously don't really know anything about the game's code, but we think it would have to do with Brain-in-a-Box not recognizing everything in the formula that determines rat AI which usually results in your ship taking damage, but instead sees the drones as the more valid target (but only on the first session after log in and on undock).
I've done both on multiple characters in multiple ships of multiple types (Ishtars and Carrier). Using one of the two fixes above works 100% of the time as far as I can tell, consistently enough that we've just determined that was the "fix" until something else is applied. I haven't heard of using either of these not working.
Also, on the topic of "**** you for afk-ratting": this doesn't apply to AFK ratting. A better solution would be to make it so that all drones have the same behavior as fighters, which doesn't punish a particular weapon platform. This seems pretty obvious that it's a bug. |
Tedric
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2015.12.24 23:49:38 -
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I have just run into this bug for the first time.
In the same system i first ran a Frostline. Then scanned down a Gurista Military Operations and ran into the bug. It could be that I was already bugged on the frostline, but the NPCs died so fast that they did not have a chance to attack them.
I moved onto the next system, scanned down a Military Complex and that was also bugged. I gave up at that point.
Then i found this thread.
Something that people have not said is that once infected it also affects belt rats (same AI i[m guessing).
I going to hazard a guess that you either are bugged at the time of first undock after logging in or not.
Time to Aggro (TTA) is variable between 3 seconds and about 30 seconds. More commonly closer to the 30 second end of things.
After reading Jaqen H'gh'ar post i started to play with session changes to try and fix it.
I am in agreement that session changes fixes the bug. I managed to un-bug myself by ejecting from my ship and then climbing back in (this was not in a POS). As i write this, i'm running the Military Operations that was previously bugged and claimed about 8 of my drones.
Before the bug went away I did jump through gates twice and eject once more before with no sucess. so a session change does not work unconditionally. I have yet to find out if I am fixed i other systems. |
CENTUREAN
The Senate and People of Rome Kids With Guns Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.25 10:01:34 -
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Happy holidays!
I wanted to add something.
My standard PVE ship is unplayable because of the broken drone issue. So I picked up a Faction version of my pve ship. My faction ship is ignored completely by the current drone issue.
I had suspected that it had something to do with the Frostline code, yet my faction ship drones are immune to the issue entirely.
My corpmates have the isk and high skill point to move to any ship in the game. Thus we are immune from bugs and balance changes. This issue will hurt younger players , therefore I hope this gets resolved soon.
Thx to everyone who is participating in this thread.
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Tedric
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Get Off My Lawn
15
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Posted - 2015.12.29 23:04:52 -
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All,
It appears that i may be permanent drone bugged.
I have tried everything I did above and more increasingly intricate methods of trying to debug myself.
It is also interesting to note that: 1. Multiple clone jumps to far away places does not affect this. 2. Multiple clone deaths in far away places does not affect this. 3. Clearing cache (on both accounts while using the beta launcher). 4. Being 5+ regions away from my ratting home for 2+ days does not affect this.
I am open to suggestions to try and drone debug myself.
T. |
Mynts Pants
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.12.30 19:13:14 -
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Not sure if this is resolved or not, but I do think I know the issue
Brain in the box (love it but it needs work)
Try doing this, when you have drone agro issues, leave your ship.. wait a min and board your ship again (IN SPACE).
I run carriers, ishtars, blah blah blah about 5 ships in total and this has fixed every issue. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13239
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Posted - 2015.12.31 00:34:25 -
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somewhat off topic, but this thread points out something I've known about PVErs since I killed my 1st rat and visited this forum: PVE players are intensely superstitious lol. If you told some of us "if you jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes, X will happen in game", many would be jumping right now
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
4917
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Posted - 2015.12.31 02:09:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:somewhat off topic, but this thread points out something I've known about PVErs since I killed my 1st rat and visited this forum: PVE players are intensely superstitious lol. If you told some of us "if you jump up and down on one leg for 5 minutes, X will happen in game", many would be jumping right now
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CCP Paradox
1428
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Posted - 2016.01.11 15:54:38 -
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Just as an update to this, we did indeed find that drone aggro in PvE has changed in December, and we are working on a fix. No ETA yet as we have only just identified where the problem occurs, but hopefully we will have this solved shortly.
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