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Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:21:00 - [31] Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. So, wait, you want these moms nerfed now to save future owners from investing in these ships and training skills you probably dont even know the names of, in order to preserve their mental health? Wow, and people think the kind magnanimous spirit in eve is dead /sarcasm off Now why don't you tell us what you really want.... you want these things nerfed so that you and your gangbanging, blobbing buddies, can return to your regular programming of nos\ecm i-winnage ON YOUR PART. Leaving no alternative for your opposition outside of even larger blobs, of more nos, and\or more ecm. And you're telling me that YOU'RE the one who has Eve's best interests at heart? Please, you're just pursuing your own agenda.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Waaah waah waah Begone, troll ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: Davlin Lotze Waaah waah waah Begone, troll Thanks for the substantive reply :D
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:46:00 - [35] Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 14/01/2007 17:43:43 Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. sentry guns shoot fighters and they pop fast. that is the reason most dont fight with fighters at gates or stations. also rather change the ways to catch one than change the mothership its by far not too dangerous in terms of damage output edit: spelling
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:49:00 - [36] Originally by: ALPHA12125 Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 14/01/2007 17:43:43 Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. sentry guns shoot fighters and they pop fast. that is the reason most dont fight with fighters at gates or stations. also rather change the ways to catch one than change the mothership its by far not too dangerous in terms of damage output edit: spelling Then again having 25 fighters and you as targets, they should be fine for relatively short times :)
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:00:00 - [37] can you even nos/neut a ms? I though the immunity to ewar included that?
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Davlin Lotze So, wait, you want these moms nerfed now to save future owners from investing in these ships and training skills you probably dont even know the names of, in order to preserve their mental health? Wow, and people think the kind magnanimous spirit in eve is dead /sarcasm off Now why don't you tell us what you really want.... you want these things nerfed so that you and your gangbanging, blobbing buddies, can return to your regular programming of nos\ecm i-winnage ON YOUR PART. Leaving no alternative for your opposition outside of even larger blobs, of more nos, and\or more ecm. And you're telling me that YOU'RE the one who has Eve's best interests at heart? Please, you're just pursuing your own agenda. And you sir, just want to keep your solopwnmobile. Glass houses and stones come to mind here.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:11:00 - [39] If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:12:00 - [40] Here a thought....... Why dont you wait till he logs then scan probe him out? -- Slot 10 Blacklight's Modified 'GMhaX' implant +8% Pwnage FREE

Clone 3681	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Lord WarATron Here a thought....... Why dont you wait till he logs then scan probe him out? pls read first post
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:51:00 - [43] Ahhh, people are finally taking this problem seriously. It won't be long before most low-sec gate hugging corps have 3 or 4 mofos. It needs sorting, asap.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off. You seem unable to make a single point without resorting to personal attacks, you might want to check that luggage at the entrance. You are straight out saying that a mothership in lowsec is not practically invulnerable and that there is an obvious way of defeating one. Care to share? Also you are saying that a mothership requires support. If this is the case what are your arguments that it also needs to be invulnerable to warpscrambling? ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Tekka Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:54:00 - [45] CCP we need deployable brick walls! gogogo »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off. You seem unable to make a single point without resorting to personal attacks, you might want to check that luggage at the entrance. You are straight out saying that a mothership in lowsec is not practically invulnerable and that there is an obvious way of defeating one. Care to share? Also you are saying that a mothership requires support. If this is the case what are your arguments that it also needs to be invulnerable to warpscrambling? My reply to hardin wasn't a personal attack. I was expressing genuine surprise that he didn't figure out the most obvious counter to these ships not already stated in this thread. Actually, another obvious answer, whilst not being the fulproof one I'm going to withold at this time, is to kill the fighters. Have a plan in place to mobilize a force especially designed for that task. You are blinded by your search for a "omgz we killed a momship" killmail versus trying to work with your team mates to utterly neutralize them. Lastly, and just for factual reference, and even in the case of the Establishment's use of the platform, they are not used as solopwnmobiles by any stretch of the imagination. But the fact that you do not notice the presence of their support tells me that you're half cooked and bagged before the awful wtfbbqmobile arrives on the scene ;)
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:22:00 - [47] Oh rest assured Davlin we know how to neutalise them ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:23:00 - [48] So, has anyone asked Oveur yet whether motherships are cost-effective? -- Thukkers do
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:25:00 - [49] Just get CYVOK to fly one...he'll find a way to lose it.... Originally by: Tuxford Needy needy people I'll try to make some stuff up
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Hardin Oh rest assured Davlin we know how to neutalise them Well done! See I knew you had it in you. Now, on to the task of seeing if your alliance mates will be ready when the time\place comes into focus. Don't blink :)

KHEN Gallente New Horizons	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:36:00 - [51] Pick a choice : A] 3 carriers fitted with 4x Nos + 1 remote rep (ofc I haven't tried it yet but more than doable "mathematically") B] a mix of 20 cruisers and HAC with drones + 2 carriers. (lost a carrier in that way from BoB)
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Vito Parabellum on 14/01/2007 21:16:01 And you stop it from warping out how? Wait a minute... I just had an epiphany. I see... a nano titan! Oh my god, I just had another. 74 dreads should probably be able to instapop it. Sorry for my folly, I take everything back! ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:21:00 - [53] Like you kill a titan: wait for it to crash, probe it down and kill it.
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:31:00 - [54] Best way is probably 30+ carriers, blob it with fighters, hope it lags out and crashes, then probe it out. There is no way to kill a lowsec mom. that's it. can't bump it cos its too big, cant dictor it, can't ewar it. best you can hope for is to kill its fighters and support and force it to warp off + cloak.
Chillshock	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:41:00 - [55] technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it?
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [56] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [57] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [58] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Chillshock technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it? I'm no expert on PVP, but I'd have to say the main difference between a warp and destruction is how long it takes the pilot to be ready for the next fight. There's probably not many people who can go get their "spare" mothership and warp back in to teach you a lesson.
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Chillshock technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it? I'm no expert on PVP, but I'd have to say the main difference between a warp and destruction is how long it takes the pilot to be ready for the next fight. There's probably not many people who can go get their "spare" mothership and warp back in to teach you a lesson.



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