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Clone 3681	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:00:00 - [1] any way to kill mothership in lowsec ? not using 15min logoff aggresion timer
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:01:00 - [2] Only thing I can think of would be a bunch of nanobattleships, and I'm not even sure if that would work. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:01:00 - [3] Bring your friends. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:03:00 - [4] well losing one is a IQUIT button eheh, those are beasts, hopefully they dont die like that i wish i had one!!! ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Lanu	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:14:00 - [5] Sure its uber.. but it price is uber too And there ARE some options.. sure its very very hard but its not impossible. I'm not obsessing. I'm just curious.
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Bring your friends. and hope he doesn't have any.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:38:00 - [7] Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?! Marvin: Another publishing company. So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership. Go make one :) -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Ralara Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?! Marvin: Another publishing company. So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership. Go make one :) How would that help? The problem isn't to get the dps, but to keep it from running away. The only feasible way would probably be with nanoBS yeah, but make sure you bring some nospocs with neuts to get the cap down to below 95% before it can jump out to a friendly cyno. If the pilot is smart and always has a cyno ready somewhere, he should be able to evade basically anything if he isn't a complete shroom. -----
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:50:00 - [9] You can very easily "defang" a mothership using only 5-6 battleships in a smartbomb cluster, assuming he doesnt have battleship backup. As for actually killing one in low sec, its impossible since he can tank forever and cant be tackled with anything other than a dictor bubble or deployable warp disruptor. Now Recruiting
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:55:00 - [10] The only way is to kill it before it warps. You can't scramble it in any way. So you need a bunch of nano ships to bump it and jump in a bunch of dreads or carriers to kill it fast. Still, it would be very difficult to pull off and you would certainly loose a few BS.

Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.14 12:56:00 - [11] bump bump bump, and a lot of very heavy weapons and well coordinated pilots. -- Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there. These posts represent those of my corp or alliance. These do reflect official alliance or corp views This is not a dis
SajuurCor Free Collective The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:39:00 - [12] Neut its cap to 70% else it will simply jump, while ramming it to keep from aligning. There really isn't anywhere it can go once in system though, other than a pos. You'd hope he'd stick around to fight a few bs, and be unable to jump by the time he realizes you're in a bunch of neuting bs. Then just drop in the dreads while ramming it with nano bs or something, and it would probably not get out. A few siege dreads would drop the thing very rapidly, and should be able to hit it considering they are extremely large and slow. Basicly bring some friends, and hope he will fight for a while before trying to run. Your rifter isnt going to solo a 20-30 bil isk ship. ________________
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:13:00 - [13] just shoot the fighters instead. Those things ain't cheap. The victorious general wins first, and then goes to war. The defeated general goes to war and then seeks to win.
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Shin Ra The only way is to kill it before it warps. You can't scramble it in any way. So you need a bunch of nano ships to bump it and jump in a bunch of dreads or carriers to kill it fast. Still, it would be very difficult to pull off and you would certainly loose a few BS. doesnt work very well. we tried with around 10 nano bs 3 carriers and 1 dread. after around 2 minutes of bumping he just warped. its impossible to keep him bumped for the whole time. just one bump from the wrong direction and you actually help him. nanocarriers are the only thing that might stop them. also jetison cans but that is an exploit imho
Strel Samodelkin Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:21:00 - [15] Unplug your modem, grab a beer, and come back later.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:33:00 - [16] Originally by: SajuurCor Neut its cap to 70% else it will simply jump, while ramming it to keep from aligning. There really isn't anywhere it can go once in system Good point, but properly fitted motherships will have something like 1000+ cap/s regeneration. Has anyone managed to kill one this way?
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:41:00 - [17] But... mommy said there are no solo pwnmobiles.. Having them be invulnerable to warp scrambling was a big mistake. These ships should not run around alone but with a load of support. Now we got them gatecamping lowsec alone with impunity O_o ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Rehmes	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Stitcher just shoot the fighters instead. Those things ain't cheap. IMO this is the best recomendation, i know that getting that MS killmail may seem awesome but fi you think about it for a moment gettin gthe fighters have the same effect on the guy to a certain extent. If you kill, say, 10 fighters in one run and he comes back another day to try again and wipe his fighters again soon hell have a dry wallet or hel simply leave the system for good. Though i think the one way to do it in low sec would be to ram him a bit bring some neut BSes and finally drop in 4 dreads on him, u may get lucky to take him out.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Rehmes If you kill, say, 10 fighters in one run and he comes back another day to try again and wipe his fighters again soon hell have a dry wallet or hel simply leave the system for good. Meh he will just pull his fighters if you start shooting them and launch 20+ sentry drones or heavy drones ... I doubt the MS gate campers often use anything else actually.
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 14/01/2007 14:49:55 nvm Flame that prolly wasn't required :p ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.

Averiana CR4VE	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:55:00 - [21] ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol.. Anyway to kill one, 5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way. But remember, anyone that isnt a muppet will also carry normal t2 drones in their carrier / mothership and rest assured someone specced in drones (u need to be highly specced for fighters) will make 20 t2 large drones rip a bs apart. If the guy is a muppet, and is only using fightrs, then once the fighters r assigned on one of u, warp away, it will mean the fighters follow and it will take longer to reassign to a new target.. Other thing to note, if the mothership is camping low sec, hes more than likely running, nos on high + cap remote reps to repair fighters (u wont beat these if ure trying to shoot fighters 3k hp rep'd per 4 secs) meds will be 2 sensor booster 2 (or faction) 2 officer scrambler and officer web, therefore his recharge rate will be severly limited. So its not impossible to break his tank. Final thing to note is, once u have him stuck there with no cap, u have to kill nearly 1mil hp for it to die.. (this takes time)... Avy..
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Averiana Anyway to kill one, 5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping The drones will die within 10 seconds as any decent fitted MS has a few 10km SB fitted. That detail aside, the plan might work.
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:08:00 - [23] Alot of people think well, but dont know what they are saying. I was one of those before <anonymous> explained the whole thingie to me. A mothership is semi impossible to kill in lowsec. Why? Its immune to EW, you cant warp scramble him. You are in lowsec, and as such you can not deploy warp bubbles or dictor bubbles. Allowing him to run if needed. It can deal an insane ammount of damage, it can easely take out 15 battleships before having to warp away. This is, if the pilot isnt a complete retard. It can jump out to a nearby POS if he smells a trap, so you need to move fast. It can tank you for a long long long time. So, the only way to actually keep it in place is to bump it, but as the outbreak guy said; one wrong bump and you are screwed. Knowing the thing has a **load of hitpoints, the chance for a wrong bump is about 99,99% leaving the chance to kill it to 0,01% hence the SEMI impossible. About the nano carrier idea, it has the mass to bump it decently but i'm not sure that you can get em in position fast enough to do it. Hence, there is no such thing as a capital microwarpdrive, so you will need the speed implants and have a verry reduced tank. I'm not sure what speed you can get out of a carrier, but to make it bump a mothership multiple times sounds difficult (since you need to align again etc etc). ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!**
Black Jewel Out Of Exile	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:35:00 - [24] it shouldnt be allowed into lowsec ==== Out of Exile
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:51:00 - [25] When I get a Titan I will do nothing but camp Ammamake!
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Black Jewel it shouldnt be allowed into lowsec Originally, they weren't (MS and Titans). But I guess some bright guy in CCP office realized what it'd take to move one from, for example, Delve to Querious. Not that it'd be possible, really... - EVE is sick.
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Averiana ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol.. Anyway to kill one, 5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way. But remember, anyone that isnt a muppet will also carry normal t2 drones in their carrier / mothership and rest assured someone specced in drones (u need to be highly specced for fighters) will make 20 t2 large drones rip a bs apart. If the guy is a muppet, and is only using fightrs, then once the fighters r assigned on one of u, warp away, it will mean the fighters follow and it will take longer to reassign to a new target.. Other thing to note, if the mothership is camping low sec, hes more than likely running, nos on high + cap remote reps to repair fighters (u wont beat these if ure trying to shoot fighters 3k hp rep'd per 4 secs) meds will be 2 sensor booster 2 (or faction) 2 officer scrambler and officer web, therefore his recharge rate will be severly limited. So its not impossible to break his tank. Final thing to note is, once u have him stuck there with no cap, u have to kill nearly 1mil hp for it to die.. (this takes time)... Avy.. who killed a mothership ? sofar no mothership have been lost. also please stop with the bumping ideas. has anyone even tried to bump motherships? unless u run a typhoon with a snake set the mothership wont even drop out of allignment if you bump it cause it has such a huge mass. we had 10 nano bs bumping the ms around 30 fighter drones and 50 normal drones on the ship and it still warped. also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:12:00 - [28] Short of bringing a Titan, or 2 mother ships, as well as support fleets, it looks like the mothership is pretty much invulnerable. That said, what with warp to zero, sureley even a BS can get into warp and out of the other side of the system before the MS becomes a real issue for it. That said the last (and only) time I ever encountered a mothership, I was in 0.0 and a 50 man BS fleet + supporting dictors and bubbles forced him to safe and cyno out (He killed the dictors off fast once he realised that 2 alliances had mobilised to go for him). All that sadi CCP were investigating bringing warp bubbles into low sec, so there may be a solution on teh horizon. Akkarin P.S. Sorry if any info is out of date, I've been away nearly a month due to an exploding graphics card issue. <3 - Immy
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Ralara Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?! Marvin: Another publishing company. So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership. Go make one :) The only way that other mothership will help, is if it's bumping the enemy mothership to keep it from warping, while a few dozen ships NOS it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Averiana ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol.. Anyway to kill one, 5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way. Unless this happened VERY recently, no player-owned mothership has yet to be destroyed. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:21:00 - [31] Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. So, wait, you want these moms nerfed now to save future owners from investing in these ships and training skills you probably dont even know the names of, in order to preserve their mental health? Wow, and people think the kind magnanimous spirit in eve is dead /sarcasm off Now why don't you tell us what you really want.... you want these things nerfed so that you and your gangbanging, blobbing buddies, can return to your regular programming of nos\ecm i-winnage ON YOUR PART. Leaving no alternative for your opposition outside of even larger blobs, of more nos, and\or more ecm. And you're telling me that YOU'RE the one who has Eve's best interests at heart? Please, you're just pursuing your own agenda.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Waaah waah waah Begone, troll ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: Davlin Lotze Waaah waah waah Begone, troll Thanks for the substantive reply :D
ALPHA12125 Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:46:00 - [35] Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 14/01/2007 17:43:43 Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. sentry guns shoot fighters and they pop fast. that is the reason most dont fight with fighters at gates or stations. also rather change the ways to catch one than change the mothership its by far not too dangerous in terms of damage output edit: spelling
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:49:00 - [36] Originally by: ALPHA12125 Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 14/01/2007 17:43:43 Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: ALPHA12125 also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts. Yeah what would happen to him? I don't see what you are getting at. I did get attacked by Ignoramus (cool guy) and he did use his 25 fighters in lowsec at a gate. And nothing happened to him, noone smote him with divine vengeance. The fighters followed me to my POS where none of them popped. Whatta ya know, they also immune to warpscrambling. Then his Nyx showed up outside my POS, who started wasting it's ammo in a show of futility to please it's master, stripping it's shields very, very slowly. Then he smartbombed my drones, forced me back into the POS and warped off. At the moment I don't really mind motherships being the invulnerability platform of doom that they are, because there are so few of them and even fewer that operate in lowesec. But in six months... how many pirates wont be running around in them in lowsec? Heck, how many read this thread and instantly decided to start saving up for one? I know I want one :p So thats why they should be nerfed now and not later when people have spent months and billions on their super ship of extreme untouchability just to have their dreams crushed. sentry guns shoot fighters and they pop fast. that is the reason most dont fight with fighters at gates or stations. also rather change the ways to catch one than change the mothership its by far not too dangerous in terms of damage output edit: spelling Then again having 25 fighters and you as targets, they should be fine for relatively short times :)
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:00:00 - [37] can you even nos/neut a ms? I though the immunity to ewar included that?
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Davlin Lotze So, wait, you want these moms nerfed now to save future owners from investing in these ships and training skills you probably dont even know the names of, in order to preserve their mental health? Wow, and people think the kind magnanimous spirit in eve is dead /sarcasm off Now why don't you tell us what you really want.... you want these things nerfed so that you and your gangbanging, blobbing buddies, can return to your regular programming of nos\ecm i-winnage ON YOUR PART. Leaving no alternative for your opposition outside of even larger blobs, of more nos, and\or more ecm. And you're telling me that YOU'RE the one who has Eve's best interests at heart? Please, you're just pursuing your own agenda. And you sir, just want to keep your solopwnmobile. Glass houses and stones come to mind here.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:11:00 - [39] If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:12:00 - [40] Here a thought....... Why dont you wait till he logs then scan probe him out? -- Slot 10 Blacklight's Modified 'GMhaX' implant +8% Pwnage FREE

Clone 3681	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Lord WarATron Here a thought....... Why dont you wait till he logs then scan probe him out? pls read first post
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:51:00 - [43] Ahhh, people are finally taking this problem seriously. It won't be long before most low-sec gate hugging corps have 3 or 4 mofos. It needs sorting, asap.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off. You seem unable to make a single point without resorting to personal attacks, you might want to check that luggage at the entrance. You are straight out saying that a mothership in lowsec is not practically invulnerable and that there is an obvious way of defeating one. Care to share? Also you are saying that a mothership requires support. If this is the case what are your arguments that it also needs to be invulnerable to warpscrambling? ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Tekka Caldari Dark Cartel	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:54:00 - [45] CCP we need deployable brick walls! gogogo »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Originally by: Davlin Lotze Originally by: Hardin If motherships can use low sec then they should be able to be scrambled. Bubbles are no use there... I don't care if you need 20 points to hold them down - they should not be invulnerable as they practically are atm... The counter to a single pilot with a mom is obvious. A player of your stature\experience not being able to reason the problem through is most alarming. Now mind you, if the mom pilot has support all bets are off, but then again, if he has support and requires support, then all this nonsense regarding "solopwnmobilage" needs to just bug off. You seem unable to make a single point without resorting to personal attacks, you might want to check that luggage at the entrance. You are straight out saying that a mothership in lowsec is not practically invulnerable and that there is an obvious way of defeating one. Care to share? Also you are saying that a mothership requires support. If this is the case what are your arguments that it also needs to be invulnerable to warpscrambling? My reply to hardin wasn't a personal attack. I was expressing genuine surprise that he didn't figure out the most obvious counter to these ships not already stated in this thread. Actually, another obvious answer, whilst not being the fulproof one I'm going to withold at this time, is to kill the fighters. Have a plan in place to mobilize a force especially designed for that task. You are blinded by your search for a "omgz we killed a momship" killmail versus trying to work with your team mates to utterly neutralize them. Lastly, and just for factual reference, and even in the case of the Establishment's use of the platform, they are not used as solopwnmobiles by any stretch of the imagination. But the fact that you do not notice the presence of their support tells me that you're half cooked and bagged before the awful wtfbbqmobile arrives on the scene ;)
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:22:00 - [47] Oh rest assured Davlin we know how to neutalise them ------------------------------ AMARR VICTOR
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:23:00 - [48] So, has anyone asked Oveur yet whether motherships are cost-effective? -- Thukkers do
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:25:00 - [49] Just get CYVOK to fly one...he'll find a way to lose it.... Originally by: Tuxford Needy needy people I'll try to make some stuff up
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Hardin Oh rest assured Davlin we know how to neutalise them Well done! See I knew you had it in you. Now, on to the task of seeing if your alliance mates will be ready when the time\place comes into focus. Don't blink :)

KHEN Gallente New Horizons	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:36:00 - [51] Pick a choice : A] 3 carriers fitted with 4x Nos + 1 remote rep (ofc I haven't tried it yet but more than doable "mathematically") B] a mix of 20 cruisers and HAC with drones + 2 carriers. (lost a carrier in that way from BoB)
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Vito Parabellum on 14/01/2007 21:16:01 And you stop it from warping out how? Wait a minute... I just had an epiphany. I see... a nano titan! Oh my god, I just had another. 74 dreads should probably be able to instapop it. Sorry for my folly, I take everything back! ------ Simply by pulling on both ends, Chuck Norris can strech diamonds back into coal.
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:21:00 - [53] Like you kill a titan: wait for it to crash, probe it down and kill it.
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:31:00 - [54] Best way is probably 30+ carriers, blob it with fighters, hope it lags out and crashes, then probe it out. There is no way to kill a lowsec mom. that's it. can't bump it cos its too big, cant dictor it, can't ewar it. best you can hope for is to kill its fighters and support and force it to warp off + cloak.
Chillshock	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:41:00 - [55] technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it?
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [56] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [57] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:57:00 - [58] 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Chillshock technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it? I'm no expert on PVP, but I'd have to say the main difference between a warp and destruction is how long it takes the pilot to be ready for the next fight. There's probably not many people who can go get their "spare" mothership and warp back in to teach you a lesson.
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Chillshock technically speaking: whats the difference between forcing a warp and destruction? It's not like its coming right back to the battle is it? I'm no expert on PVP, but I'd have to say the main difference between a warp and destruction is how long it takes the pilot to be ready for the next fight. There's probably not many people who can go get their "spare" mothership and warp back in to teach you a lesson.

Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:10:00 - [61] A change to cloaks is needed imo. Forsch Defender of the empire Can't wait for the oomph!
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:10:00 - [62] A change to cloaks is needed imo. Forsch Defender of the empire Can't wait for the oomph!
JailBait Monster Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:33:00 - [63] Originally by: ReaperOfSly 50 titans and a single cyno ship. Instaboom. Ok i have to admit i laughed for a while on that one.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:33:00 - [64] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 14/01/2007 22:34:22 so motherships are immune to dictor bubbles aswell ? i have always wondered but never had the opportunity to drop a bubble on one Edit: in low sec
Kronn Blackthorne 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:45:00 - [65] interdictor spheres in low sec ... i stil wonder why people with not a ****in clue bout pvp post in those threads ...... it still makes me laugh The Frenchy
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:50:00 - [66] Originally by: Kronn Blackthorne interdictor spheres in low sec ... i stil wonder why people with not a ****in clue bout pvp post in those threads ...... it still makes me laugh well maybe you can tell me... does interdiction sphere afftect a mothership ?
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:53:00 - [67] Interdiction spheres do work, yes. That's why this thread is about motherships in low sec. In 0.0 you can kill them with dictors. Forsch Defender of the empire Can't wait for the oomph!
Kronn Blackthorne 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:53:00 - [68] Edited by: Kronn Blackthorne on 14/01/2007 22:52:16 Originally by: Forsch Interdiction spheres do work, yes. That's why this thread is about motherships in low sec. In 0.0 you can kill them with dictors. amen , someone with a brain ps : u still need 2 or 3 dictors with perfect timing , or u can drop a large warp buble on the mothership and anchor it ....but u know , everything seems easy on the paper The Frenchy
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:59:00 - [69] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 14/01/2007 22:55:59 im sorry to derail but.... Posted - 2007.01.14 22:45:00 Originally by: Kronn Blackthorne interdictor spheres in low sec ... i stil wonder why people with not a **in clue bout pvp post in those threads ...... it still makes me laugh Quote:** Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 14/01/2007 22:35:10 so motherships are immune to dictor bubbles aswell ? i have always wondered but never had the opportunity to drop a bubble on one Edit: in low sec still interested to know tho does ew immune incule interdiction spheres? if your gonna flame read first eh?
Xinda Duban	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:35:00 - [70] Edited by: Xinda Duban on 14/01/2007 23:34:23 Edit: Made a comment to the poster above and bad reading on my part also. Sorry. Back to topic anyway,it really is a big problem that needs to be fixed. And why the hell did they were made imune to ew in the first place?... beats me.

Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:47:00 - [71] Originally by: Xinda Duban Edited by: Xinda Duban on 14/01/2007 23:34:23 Edit: Made a comment to the poster above and bad reading on my part also. Sorry. Back to topic anyway,it really is a big problem that needs to be fixed. And why the hell did they were made imune to ew in the first place?... beats me. Because otherhwise it would simply be a normal carrier with a few more fighters? And don't tell me it's the clonevats that justify the ship costing 20 bil more :)
Xinda Duban	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Xinda Duban Edited by: Xinda Duban on 14/01/2007 23:34:23 Edit: Made a comment to the poster above and bad reading on my part also. Sorry. Back to topic anyway,it really is a big problem that needs to be fixed. And why the hell did they were made imune to ew in the first place?... beats me. Because otherhwise it would simply be a normal carrier with a few more fighters? And don't tell me it's the clonevats that justify the ship costing 20 bil more :) Double the hp's should count for a few bil
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:27:00 - [73] Kill its home POS, then siege it when mothership pilot logs off for the night with no place to park ship, 2 minutes is definitly not long enough though.
FalconHawk Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Kronn Blackthorne ps : u still need 2 or 3 dictors with perfect timing , or u can drop a large warp buble on the mothership and anchor it ....but u know , everything seems easy on the paper do you know how long dictor bubbles will survive when they are in range of ign0ramus smartbombs? and the dictor will have a prob too and large bubbles vs 25 fighters .... i don¦t think there is an easy way to hold a mothership which is setup like Hera
Xy Kintar	Posted - 2007.01.15 01:34:00 - [75] Lets be honest here. Both motherships and titans were never balanced properly. The thought process was clearly "they are so expensive they will only be produced on rare occaisons in low numbers" and "nobody will allow someone else to build them". The fact of the matter, any large alliance will be able to crank these out on a semiregular basis. No ship, not even titans or motherships, should be effectively unkillable. Once you allow that to happen, the game becomes truly broken. We're going to have a similar discussion in a year when a powerbloc aquires enough titans to instapop dread fleets. Don't pretend it wont happen. When you have unkillable ships they will only accumulate in number. While amusing, lets not pretend that Cyvoks' titan loss was anything but utter nonsense.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.15 01:52:00 - [76] Why do people always say below 95% cap? Thats unless you have the skill at lvl 1 and lvl 5 its 70%. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
cynoalt tbfh	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:05:00 - [77] The mommy is immune to all forms of EW. That includes NOS+Neutralizer. If a mommy has a decent Caprechargerate he can cyno out everytime :x
SolarKnight Gallente ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:36:00 - [78] Wrong, Nos and Neuts DO work on capitals of all kinds. The Light in the Darkness http://Origin.zapto.org
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:46:00 - [79] Edited by: Eemaavi on 19/07/2007 14:46:33 NVM Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Quebnaric Deile Fabulous Soulcatchers Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Clone 3681 any way to kill mothership in lowsec ? not using 15min logoff aggresion timer I know a group of nanonos domi took one down on Sisi in low-sec testing with moms. Think it was something like 10 nanonos domis and a Lachesis. But that was a lone mom, without support. You better bet if you start trying to pop someones mom their friends might take notice. I wouldn't call it impossible, but I wouldn't call it easy. At that price tag, it shouldn't be easy ... __ Fabulous Soulcatchers are recruiting.

EntroX Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:51:00 - [81] necro ftl?
Quebnaric Deile Fabulous Soulcatchers Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:54:00 - [82] Necro indeed, but it was bound to happen considering the recent mention about moms in low-sec on EVETV. __ Fabulous Soulcatchers are recruiting.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.19 15:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Ralara Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?! Marvin: Another publishing company. So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership. Go make one :) No it cant... they'd tank each other until they run out of drones or one warps of as they obviously cant scramble each other either... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.19 15:55:00 - [84] some time ago i was playing around with my carrier in an unnamed lowsec system (duhh) when 5 or 6 MC guys popped into local. so i took a peek outside station in a shuttle.. OH... MY... GAWD!!! 3 motherships parked next to the station... U can imagine i didn't move untill they had left hehe, i'm not afraid to take risks but this was a bit much CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Tarkam Caldari Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.19 16:23:00 - [85] lucky for me the only motherships ive seen are friendlies Why dont we all just get along.
PWNERIZE	Posted - 2007.07.19 16:35:00 - [86] Edited by: PWNERIZE on 19/07/2007 16:35:15 It's low sec. No one's forcing you to go through a system camped by a mothership, the stakes there are minimal. And Titan's should always be allowed in low sec because without their DDD they are more of a liability than anything. What are they going to do to you? Hit you with XL guns that without siege deal less damage than two gank megas .
FrostedJin Caldari Dark Skullz Empire Vaccaei Imperial	Posted - 2007.07.19 17:06:00 - [87] Quote: Unless this happened VERY recently, no player-owned mothership has yet to be destroyed. BOB Lost one recently. _______________ Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment.
Admiral Shallow Gallente Shadow KnighT Productions	Posted - 2007.07.19 17:13:00 - [88] Edited by: Admiral Shallow on 19/07/2007 17:12:48 Originally by: ALPHA12125 nanocarriers are the only thing that might stop them. also jetison cans but that is an exploit imho In your opinion, but not by game rules.. It even said on EVE:TV that dropping cans creating unwanted wrecks ect ect, so the MS bumps itself is an option.. And I should hope it stays that way especially for low sec If you want to take something down you take it down, by any means necessary. Don't hold back be "you" think its an exploit... Only think stuff is an exploit when its announced by CCP it is.. Unless EVE:TV is giving out false information an it already is an exploit Below this text is my signature... BTW You Suck


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