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Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.12.20 16:15:42 - [1] - Quote I would like to see a purely drone boat focused BS. Can fit 1 drone control unit per level. Has 250 BW allowing you to launch 10 heavy/sentry However, the ship starts with a standard 125BW and has a bonus of +25 BW per fitted control unit. This is to keep someone from getting utility and using a flight of 5 geckos. Large drone hold capable of carrying many different drone. No drone damage bonus, but perhaps a tracking and/or control range bonus to make up for the lack of high slots. What role does it fill? None What niche does it cover? None What issues does it address? None What the point? Because it sounds fun and it's a damn video game....
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 1103	Posted - 2015.12.20 16:21:28 - [2] - Quote Balance wise, the most you would get out of this is 2 more unbonused Large, and maybe a medium. All drone BS are capped at an effective 7.5 drones. Dominix is your beast of burden here.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.12.20 16:32:07 - [3] - Quote Mike Voidstar wrote: Balance wise, the most you would get out of this is 2 more unbonused Large, and maybe a medium. All drone BS are capped at an effective 7.5 drones. Dominix is your beast of burden here. Yes, but those other boats get increased damage through on-board guns/missiles. Some of which also get bonuses to guns. Nestor, Rattlesnake, and others get weapons bonuses on top of drones for a potential of insane dps. With 10 Ogre II, at all skills V with 4 drone damage amps, you're looking at 1060 dps. It's not much compared to lots of other ships, but it's entertaining.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 696	Posted - 2015.12.20 16:59:59 - [4] - Quote joe Risalo, as a long time drones pilot I am interested in this idea as well. Do you have any thoughts on the slot layout and PG, CPU? What about the base stats for HP and resists etc? Would you classify this as a pirate ship if so what 2 BS skills would you link to it? How about extending the line to a frigate, destroyer and BC as well? Mike Voidstar wrote: Balance wise, the most you would get out of this is 2 more unbonused Large, and maybe a medium. All drone BS are capped at an effective 7.5 drones. Dominix is your beast of burden here. With no guns or missiles, and no bonuses to drones damage other than DDA's it is not OP in the DPS department. Without knowing how or why you do not like this it is hard to comment on anything else. Besides and Joe says the only reason for this would be fun for us drones pilots.
Lugh Crow-Slave 1352	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:10:44 - [5] - Quote No if you want more dps from drones do it by making the ones you have stronger not by adding more there is a radon we are doing away with +5 drones per ship even with capitals Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:11:45 - [6] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: joe Risalo, as a long time drones pilot I am interested in this idea as well. Do you have any thoughts on the slot layout and PG, CPU? What about the base stats for HP and resists etc? Would you classify this as a pirate ship if so what 2 BS skills would you link to it? How about extending the line to a frigate, destroyer and BC as well? Mike Voidstar wrote: Balance wise, the most you would get out of this is 2 more unbonused Large, and maybe a medium. All drone BS are capped at an effective 7.5 drones. Dominix is your beast of burden here. With no guns or missiles, and no bonuses to drones damage other than DDA's it is not OP in the DPS department. Without knowing how or why you do not like this it is hard to comment on anything else. Besides and Joe says the only reason for this would be fun for us drones pilots. I have no idea whether it would be a T2 BS, pirate hull, or something else entirely. I have no idea what the fitting stats would be on it, nor the slot layout. Those are all things that are balanced based and nothing I could throw out would be a guarantee to be in game. So, i'd rather just leave it open ended and say that it focuses on drones and tank.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:13:40 - [7] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: No if you want more dps from drones do it by making the ones you have stronger not by adding more there is a radon we are doing away with +5 drones per ship even with capitals Not entirely true. CCP is changing how caps work and how fighters work. Instead of one per level, you have several within a group and either increased groups, and/or groups of fighters with more drones within the group. It doesn't change the fact that they still field a crap ton of drones.
Lugh Crow-Slave 1352	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:16:44 - [8] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: No if you want more dps from drones do it by making the ones you have stronger not by adding more there is a radon we are doing away with +5 drones per ship even with capitals Not entirely true. CCP is changing how caps work and how fighters work. Instead of one per level, you have several within a group and either increased groups, and/or groups of fighters with more drones within the group. It doesn't change the fact that they still field a crap ton of drones. You don't understand those groups only look like one item to the server that gets weaker as hp drops. It just looks and feels to the player like they are controlling more Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2917	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:24:13 - [9] - Quote basically a hi-sec carrier? pls god no sentries. the +1 drone control unit per level makes this ship very weak until you have it trained to high levels. If you must, just give it a role bonus of +5 drones and think of two better per level bonuses. I like drones, but this ship will probably obsolete the domi and rattler. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 230	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:47:04 - [10] - Quote More drones = No. More damage drones = No. Drones that do something more than shoot? = Yes. I'd love things like interceptor class heavies that had the speed of a light, the mass of a heavy, and the damage of a medium.

Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4884	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:55:31 - [11] - Quote We need a Sentient Pirate drone faction with drone-based frigate, cruiser and battleship. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 247	Posted - 2015.12.20 18:20:46 - [12] - Quote With npc AI getting better, it seems like a drone boat with highs full for DLAs and DCUs means you'll be burning through drones. You need 1-2 remote reppers. I can has blogging skills!
Lyra Gerie Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2015.12.20 18:30:54 - [13] - Quote If and only if it's drone bay is no more than 50m3 greater than the total bandwidth meaning that while you can field 10 drones you only have 1-2 replacements. This would make these ships strong skirmishers but could quickly have their dps taken away without the ability to replace it.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2069	Posted - 2015.12.20 18:57:47 - [14] - Quote The existing ships we have are more than sufficient. If you want a sub capital ship with ten drones, the Guardian Vexor is that way... -> :p CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1148	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:09:52 - [15] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: The existing ships we have are more than sufficient. If you want a sub capital ship with ten drones, the Guardian Vexor is that way... -> :p Yes, because the game is just littered with those...
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1150	Posted - 2015.12.20 21:46:53 - [16] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: We need a Sentient Pirate drone faction with drone-based frigate, cruiser and battleship. You mean like drone NPCs?? No way CCP would give us those ships, lol
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2806	Posted - 2015.12.20 22:09:38 - [17] - Quote I'd rather see 8 drones. 10 seems like too much. Dominix, rebalanced for drones 4 High Slots, 3 Turret Hardpoints (-2 high slots, -3 turret hardpoints) 5 Mid Slots, 7 Low Slots 200mbit/sec bandwidth, 1000m3 drone bay space (+75mbit/sec, +625m3) 6000MW Powergrid (-4000MW) 450Tf CPU (-150Tf) Capacitor Recharge Time: 1400s (+300s) Max Recharge Rate: 10.7GJ/s (-2.9GJ/s) Gallente Battleship skill bonuses: 5% Increased Heavy and Sentry Drone Damage and Hitpoints per level 10% Increased Armor Repair Amount per level Role Bonuses: +25km Drone Control Range +3 Max Drones Controlled -25% Drone Tracking I took off a lot of highs. Don't need to give it drone control units. I'd like to see Battleship-sized drone control units added to the game, but in a pinch this works better than forcing the player to use an expensive capital ship module. I removed a lot of powergrid along with some CPU and capacitor to make up for what other Gallente battleships have to sacrifice for their weapons. It still has plenty of CPU, and well enough powergrid and capacitor to do a hefty armor tank. I gave it +10% armor repair amount instead of +7.5% because I believe 7.5% is too low and that all shield boost and armor repair skill bonuses should be bumped up to 10%. It is the hit point bonuses that should be at 7.5%. The rep bonuses are the most finicky because those ships have the lowest effective hit points and must rely on a heavy income of hit points to balance the quick rate at which they drop. These ships are most vulnerable to blapping, so they should be the strongest against steady fire. 7.5% hit point bonus still lends to the hit point bonused ship having the highest effective hit points, but the resist bonused ship still gets the advantage of balancing rep and hit point bonus. Possibly hit point bonuses could remain at 10%, but rep bonuses definitely need to go up to 10%. Lastly, I increased its drone control range to make it stand out from other drone ships, and decreased its drone tracking both to make it feel more like a battleship and to prevent it from overly dominating small ships with its huge flights of small drones. Note that its drones only get a 25% total hit point bonus but it can fit several backup flights. It gets 10 effective large drones or 8 effective medium or small drones. Only larges get any hit point bonus at all. Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm The Succubus looks meaner But the Revenant cleaner Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 965	Posted - 2015.12.20 22:41:35 - [18] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: The existing ships we have are more than sufficient. If you want a sub capital ship with ten drones, the Guardian Vexor is that way... -> :p Anyone remember the Dominix already had 15 heavy drones and it got changed to that bandwidth thing we have now, please read the patch not sometime - ALL of them. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Lyra Gerie Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2015.12.20 23:24:00 - [19] - Quote 200mbit/sec bandwidth, 1000m3 drone bay space (+75mbit/sec, +625m3) Nooooooooooooo Holy crap is that op, this thing is a mini carrier with those stats alone. I doubt I'd even be okay with that if the thing didn't even have guns. 5 full flights of 8 heavy drones each is insane. The only reason to dump out more than 5 drones would be to act like how current attack BCs do. It would be a heavy hitter with lighter shield/armor/hull and likely little to no drone bay above it's bandwidth. Also "5% Increased Heavy and Sentry Drone Damage and Hitpoints per level" should focus on mobile drones or at least heavies, we don't need another situation like the ishtar. Also with 7 low slots +10% to rep is a bit on the strong side as well. I would actually much rather see 5% increase to drone damage, speed and HP per level along with it's normal 7.5% rep. With these changes there is no need to nerf the tracking either.
Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 230	Posted - 2015.12.21 06:19:59 - [20] - Quote elitatwo wrote: FT Diomedes wrote: The existing ships we have are more than sufficient. If you want a sub capital ship with ten drones, the Guardian Vexor is that way... -> :p Anyone remember the Dominix already had 15 heavy drones and it got changed to that bandwidth thing we have now, please read the patch notes sometime - ALL of them. Gist was, the hamsters didn't like the amount of drones in space that's why we can only have 5 at a time and the rate of fire is 4 seconds. Hamsters didn't like it is an understatement... The hamsters caught fire and almost burned down Iceland. They blamed it on a volcano though.

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 17067	Posted - 2015.12.21 06:53:29 - [21] - Quote I remember the old beehive domi, you don't want a beehive domi. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 539	Posted - 2015.12.21 08:23:02 - [22] - Quote A truly pure drone boat would be awesome and has been on my personal wish list for a long time now. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1697	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:25:14 - [23] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I remember the old beehive domi, you don't want a beehive domi. I want one. I just don't want anyone else to have one.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1697	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:30:23 - [24] - Quote I think the problem you would be creating is the sentry drone assist domi (fill in any othe BS you grant the super power to). Instead of OP ishtards dropping drones and running away, you would have big blobs of fat over tanked domi farming out 10 heavily bonused sentries to some jerk in a t3d (or whatever niche ship is best for the job). We'd be back to the fun evolution of jumping through a gate and getting alpha'd before we could get a lock on anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK w/ home field advantage, but the sentry assist deathray isn't fun or interesting in any way.
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Apocalypse Now. 180	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:03:51 - [25] - Quote first WTF is there another BS thread. Second. What we need are high speed tactical BSs, that use the Races 2nd primary weapon system. High-speed. High-damage application example - Caldari High-speed tactical BS Focuses on using Blasters MWD Has immunity to scram effects for shutting down MWD. Amarr High-speed tactical BS Ether drones or missiles. (Torps/RHML. not cruise) AB bonuses Has reduction to Webbing effects or some such. and etc. for the others. "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1 DIDE- is open to new members
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 698	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:55:48 - [26] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: You don't understand those groups only look like one item to the server that gets weaker as hp drops. It just looks and feels to the player like they are controlling more So apply the same groups theory or a slightly modified version of it to this new ship and problem solved. Lyra Gerie wrote: This would make these ships strong skirmishers but could quickly have their dps taken away without the ability to replace it. It always comes back to this. Drones ships are already THE ONLY ships in the game that can have their weapons systems destroyed and this ship would not change that. And for a ship that is 100% dependent on drones for damage 50m3 over bandwidth is to much of a restriction, although I agree with the basic premise of your idea. FT Diomedes wrote: The existing ships we have are more than sufficient. If you want a sub capital ship with ten drones, the Guardian Vexor is that way... -> :p The existing destroyers we had were sufficient but we got T3 and soon the new T2 any way. The existing ships we had were fine but they gave us the SOE ships any way. Have I made my point or do I need to keep going. CCP seems to be hell bent on giving us more ships to do the same stuff with and most of them are really nothing more than re-packed versions or new combinations of something we already had. We have never had a 100% drones only ship and many of us think that it would be a nice addition to the game. For the Guardian Vexor thing, when I can go to Jita and actually buy one of them for about the same costs as every other ship in the same class THEN we can talk about that as an option instead of this idea. Serendipity Lost wrote: I think the problem you would be creating is the sentry drone assist domi (fill in any othe BS you grant the super power to). Instead of OP ishtards dropping drones and running away, you would have big blobs of fat over tanked domi farming out 10 heavily bonused sentries to some jerk in a t3d (or whatever niche ship is best for the job). I so agree with you on this issue if nothing changed. However I would propose that this and ALL plagues of assisted drones can be removed by a simple change that SHOULD have been included in the first re-balance pass on the Ishtar and that is to remove drone assist from the game completely.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9838	Posted - 2015.12.21 15:00:26 - [27] - Quote The thread title is accurate - this is BS, of the classiest order. Think of the server load! Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1151	Posted - 2015.12.21 16:31:36 - [28] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: The thread title is accurate - this is BS, of the classiest order. Think of the server load! Hey, fun doesn't require a role, niche, or to counter something specific.. As far as the sever load, a thousand ships with 5 drones and all the weapons/effects probably have the same amount of server load...
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 946	Posted - 2015.12.21 18:21:52 - [29] - Quote I'm fine with this as long as it has no utility highs and can only fit drone mods in the highs. A BS with only drones as it's DPS? Sounds like a nice juicy target.
Alexis Nightwish 377	Posted - 2015.12.21 18:40:23 - [30] - Quote We really don't need more drone boats in the game, thanks. CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button Fixing bombs, not the bombers

Nafensoriel KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 231	Posted - 2015.12.21 19:20:55 - [31] - Quote To be entirely fair... Virtual drones could be added similar to how carrier drones will be handled. Downside is lack of options in how to use those drones and possibly having them completely wrecked by ECM. But on a technical level you could reduce drone ships to a single drone representing an entire "swarm" by graphics. Fleet battles would need the option to disable the swarm though or computers would explode around the world.
Bobman Smith Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 0	Posted - 2015.12.21 21:45:46 - [32] - Quote Ah as much as I'd love this idea, unfortunately it would not balance well. More 'guns' does not necessarily make for a better game. But with that said, It would be nice to have a true drone boat that does not use any high spots to add damage. Maybe add some more high slot mods to improve drone use. Have some high spot mods that increase drone speeds and tank. (And remove drone assist from game) Little off topic but something that I think would be great is a drone mining ship. Recreate the Harvester Mining Drone so they don't fly back to the ship but drop cargo containers when they are filled and you would have to tractor beam them to the ship. This would counter the afk miner a bit if those cans had say, only 15 mins before they disappear. And by doing it effectively would yield more volume then whats currently in operation. And make it a larger vessel with the Procure philosophy in mind: Strong tank, good DPS for drones for defense. Hell, while were dreaming, make a Capital version of it with Jump Drive! And damn well balance its defenses in such as way that you actually see these things mining! It would be quite the site to have a Rorqual providing on grid boosts and compressing ore while we have a half a dozen or so of these Capital sized drone mining ships in a fleet with a bunch of lesser SP pilots all using the T1/T2 Exhumers! Enough combined DSP/Tank that only a well organized/sizable fleet would consider. Rewards of organizing such an Industrial Operation would be how effective it would be at turning Roids into Compressed Ore! I mean, why cant we have large scale mining operations in Eve that mimic the scale of capitals fights? Awe... I'm starting to ramble... Dreams... T3 Destroyers should cost aprox 160M. Change 50% to 25% weapons damage bonus. Remove Insurance from game. Undocking should be risky with no paybacks! Ban Frigate Pirate Ships from Novice FW Plexs. Have more then 1 Clone in a station without loss.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1153	Posted - 2015.12.23 02:16:08 - [33] - Quote Yeah... I still want a pure drone boat.. Sounds entertaining and it's hard to build and efficient boat that focuses purely on drones... Unless you want a carrier or super carrier, which i do not.
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 247	Posted - 2015.12.23 02:24:35 - [34] - Quote Lyra Gerie wrote: The only reason to dump out more than 5 drones would be to act like how current attack BCs do. It would be a heavy hitter with lighter shield/armor/hull and likely little to no drone bay above its bandwidth. How about a BS that can carry and launch fighters/bombers and is designed to attack supercaps? Nafensoriel wrote: Hamsters didn't like it is an understatement... The hamsters caught fire and almost burned down Iceland. They blamed it on a volcano though. The answer is clearly that CCP needs to upgrade to either gerbils or guinea pigs. I can has blogging skills!
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1162	Posted - 2015.12.23 06:55:24 - [35] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: Lyra Gerie wrote: The only reason to dump out more than 5 drones would be to act like how current attack BCs do. It would be a heavy hitter with lighter shield/armor/hull and likely little to no drone bay above its bandwidth. How about a BS that can carry and launch fighters/bombers and is designed to attack supercaps? Nafensoriel wrote: Hamsters didn't like it is an understatement... The hamsters caught fire and almost burned down Iceland. They blamed it on a volcano though. The answer is clearly that CCP needs to upgrade to either gerbils or guinea pigs. I believe they're currently in the process of upgrading to ferrites...
Iain Cariaba 2245	Posted - 2015.12.23 07:19:49 - [36] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Linna Excel wrote: Lyra Gerie wrote: The only reason to dump out more than 5 drones would be to act like how current attack BCs do. It would be a heavy hitter with lighter shield/armor/hull and likely little to no drone bay above its bandwidth. How about a BS that can carry and launch fighters/bombers and is designed to attack supercaps? Nafensoriel wrote: Hamsters didn't like it is an understatement... The hamsters caught fire and almost burned down Iceland. They blamed it on a volcano though. The answer is clearly that CCP needs to upgrade to either gerbils or guinea pigs. I believe they're currently in the process of upgrading to ferrites... Oh gods no! If they upgrade to ferrets, those fuzzy little carpet sharks will steal everything in sight!!! You won't need to worry about losing your battleship, because the ferrets will steal them all and hide them under the couch. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1162	Posted - 2015.12.23 07:35:52 - [37] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Oh gods no! If they upgrade to ferrets, those fuzzy little carpet sharks will steal everything in sight!!! You won't need to worry about losing your battleship, because the ferrets will steal them all and hide them under the couch. All will be ok.. You can sniff the stinky little bastards out.
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 1112	Posted - 2015.12.23 09:32:12 - [38] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Yeah... I still want a pure drone boat.. Sounds entertaining and it's hard to build and efficient boat that focuses purely on drones... Unless you want a carrier or super carrier, which i do not. Dominix is your boat. It can fit guns, but does not need to. Use the slots for a couple Drone Link Augmentors and some Remote Reps to keep the things topped off, or even some autotargeters to keep your target selection as efficient as possible. Put a Sensor Booster in your mids and snipe all the things with sentries.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2434	Posted - 2015.12.23 14:34:51 - [39] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Bumblefck wrote: The thread title is accurate - this is BS, of the classiest order. Think of the server load! Hey, fun doesn't require a role, niche, or to counter something specific.. As far as the sever load, a thousand ships with 5 drones and all the weapons/effects probably have the same amount of server load... Problem is, the drones move as opposed to your guns which are bolted on your ship. The drones each have their own movement vector to be handled by the server so their position is updated for their next attack. You can fire up to 8 guns at the same time and not really load the server much because they all use the same information for the hits. They all have the same tracking difficulty because they are all at the same place moving in the same way relatively to their targets. Drones shots don't get to enjoy this. The current 5 all have different firing solution because they all have their own movement relative to the target which can be wildly different. Adding more drones really does add to the server load.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1165	Posted - 2015.12.23 15:06:58 - [40] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Problem is, the drones move as opposed to your guns which are bolted on your ship. The drones each have their own movement vector to be handled by the server so their position is updated for their next attack. You can fire up to 8 guns at the same time and not really load the server much because they all use the same information for the hits. They all have the same tracking difficulty because they are all at the same place moving in the same way relatively to their targets. Drones shots don't get to enjoy this. The current 5 all have different firing solution because they all have their own movement relative to the target which can be wildly different. Adding more drones really does add to the server load. Agreed, but that wasn't my point. The point I was getting at is that there's already a crap ton of drones out, and a ton of ships firing at different targets. I don't know that adding 5 more drones to the blob would have that much of an effect. However, if they do start giving problems, just smart bomb them off the field. That said, 5 fighters with the role bonus of a super carrier is 1k dps. This is a pretty good damage level without adding to the drone count. However, they'll need to be given a pretty substantial tracking bonus to make up for being dedicated to fighting sub-capitals.

Kerandra Newton The Mental Asylum Ministry of Agressive Destruction 0	Posted - 2015.12.23 15:18:08 - [41] - Quote I agree! I always wanted a drone boat but it looks like there's no better ship (BS) like the Ishtar especially for heavy drones. Sad! Team up, change things. I want to add something else. I was trying to figure out on SISI a Drone Boat that can do more damage to be equal to a lot of other ships like the OP mentioned - not the Dominix but a pirate or T2 variant (like a BS Isthar), that said the DNI is 'only' a navy variant and not so good at all. To compensate and match the new drone balance especially to heavy drones I played around a little and checked all available stuff in game and I figured out several bugs although there is a nice rig which helps applying more DPS - The Scope Chip. But then correcting an old bug could also help with setting up a nice drone BS besides the Domi - which I don't like due to many lacks like align time, CPU, PG, speed an so on. Summary: Unfortunately drone rigs can not be compared to the broad variety of turret and missile rigs and they obviously do not improve towards a better Drone BS. The wish for a good drone BS is there and to balance ships and playstyle it's in demand. Please also check my post about an old bug here. Large Drone Speed Augmentor II OP +1 Large Drone Speed Augmentor II - needs to be fixed
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2434	Posted - 2015.12.23 15:37:40 - [42] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Problem is, the drones move as opposed to your guns which are bolted on your ship. The drones each have their own movement vector to be handled by the server so their position is updated for their next attack. You can fire up to 8 guns at the same time and not really load the server much because they all use the same information for the hits. They all have the same tracking difficulty because they are all at the same place moving in the same way relatively to their targets. Drones shots don't get to enjoy this. The current 5 all have different firing solution because they all have their own movement relative to the target which can be wildly different. Adding more drones really does add to the server load. Agreed, but that wasn't my point. The point I was getting at is that there's already a crap ton of drones out, and a ton of ships firing at different targets. I don't know that adding 5 more drones to the blob would have that much of an effect. However, if they do start giving problems, just smart bomb them off the field. That said, 5 fighters with the role bonus of a super carrier is 1k dps. This is a pretty good damage level without adding to the drone count. However, they'll need to be given a pretty substantial tracking bonus to make up for being dedicated to fighting sub-capitals. Adding 5 more drones to the total pool is indeed not much of an issue. On the other hand, doubling the amount of drones in a large fight because the new ship is better and become main doctrine would add a metric ass ton of server load. Or are CCP supposed to design it so it will never get used in fleet fights to be sure it does not cause problem?
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1165	Posted - 2015.12.23 16:08:29 - [43] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Adding 5 more drones to the total pool is indeed not much of an issue. On the other hand, doubling the amount of drones in a large fight because the new ship is better and become main doctrine would add a metric ass ton of server load. Or are CCP supposed to design it so it will never get used in fleet fights to be sure it does not cause problem? There's no stopping it from being used, as drone focus alone would make it quite popular. That said, it would be relatively balanced just on the use of drones themselves, as they can be alpha'd of the field, or smartbombed. Now, my last comment, I did also mention, you can allow it to use fighters as its primary means of damage. Proposal: Rogue drone Battleship Gallente/Amarr (because I don't know what else(I would prefer it be a shield boat, but whatever)) Gallente BS % bonus to fighter drone damage per level 4% Bonus to Armor resists per level. Amarr BS % bonus to all drone HP per level % bonus to Armor repairer cap usage per level Role Bonus Can Fit Bastion module (just an idea) - Bastion gives 100% bonus to drone control range % bonus to drone velocity in Bastion % bonus to fighter tracking in Bastion Slot Layout Highs - 2 Mids - 8 (?) Lows - 8 Rigs - 3 So, pretty tanky in Bastion and has a lot of capability in drone and tanking. Small amount of highs and no turret or launcher hard points to reduce high slot utility. Bastion helps to keep the ship as 'niche' thus keeping it out of large scale battles, as it will be quite weak outside of bastion. We'll say a 30k drone bay, allowing it to fit 6 fighters to have one spare, or 5 fighters and a versatile amount of other drone types... Note, there is no damage bonus for non-fighter drones.
Kerandra Newton The Mental Asylum Ministry of Agressive Destruction 0	Posted - 2015.12.23 16:15:17 - [44] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: That said, it would be relatively balanced just on the use of drones themselves, as they can be alpha'd of the field, or smartbombed. 1. But there's another playstyle, I call it NPC killing which is common in all 3 sec-areas. NPC's don't shoot smartbombs. For those a drone boat would be nice. 2. You're not 100% right there. You can deploy sentries or pimp your ship to give drones a better optimal range to avoid smartbombs and you can add a Durability rig to buff drones HP. Keep that in mind and don't focus too much to PVP. PVE is also a good choice for a Drone BS. Large Drone Speed Augmentor II - needs to be fixed
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 1165	Posted - 2015.12.23 16:31:41 - [45] - Quote Kerandra Newton wrote: Joe Risalo wrote: That said, it would be relatively balanced just on the use of drones themselves, as they can be alpha'd of the field, or smartbombed. 1. But there's another playstyle, I call it NPC killing which is common in all 3 sec-areas. NPC's don't shoot smartbombs. For those a drone boat would be nice. 2. You're not 100% right there. You can deploy sentries or pimp your ship to give drones a better optimal range to avoid smartbombs and you can add a Durability rig to buff drones HP. Keep that in mind and don't focus too much to PVP. PVE is also a good choice for a Drone BS. Check the proposal above and see how you feel about that.
Atomeon The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.12.23 23:59:43 - [46] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I remember the old beehive domi, you don't want a beehive domi. They want the Guardian Vexor's mama. i think that they asking for ^^


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