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Humpalot	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:18:00 - [1] Before anyone says another interceptor just skip it. I got jumped by a Crow the other day. Just me in my Harbinger and him in the Crow. I had a webber fitted along with two tracking computers and Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beams. Some heat sinks, AB and tank stuff to round that out. Needless to say he never got within 10km for me to web him and of course I was nowhere near fast enough to close range and use the web. My gunnery skills are very solid albeit not excellent. With my skills and mods and what not he was within range of my guns. As you might expect though I barely every scratched him. My T1 light drones seemed unable to catch him. Fortunately I had a solid tank on and while I couldn't hurt him he couldn't overcome my tank on his own either. I suspect he either ran out of missiles or got bored and left of his own accord (I was scrambled so couldn't leave). So after this I was trying to think of ways I could get such a nuisance in the future. Short of Running around in my Crusader I drew a blank. Are Crows essentially untouchable except by other interceptors? If a Crusader had jumped me I'd have a fair chance since as a gun user he needs to be closer. I thought of EW but while that might make him go away I want to kill him. Fitting small lasers I suppose is an option but sort of ruins the idea of a Battlecruiser. Doubtless I am missing something...just want to know what it is.
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:31:00 - [2] Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/01/2007 17:28:27 Any properly fit destroyer can eat a crow alive :) Alternatively, if you're in your harbinger, and in an asteroid belt, sneak between asteroids. He'll have to either drop scram due to range, or lose transversal by sn eaking in with you. EDIT: Also, t2 lights might be able to scare him.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 17/01/2007 17:28:27 Any properly fit destroyer can eat a crow alive :) Alternatively, if you're in your harbinger, and in an asteroid belt, sneak between asteroids. He'll have to either drop scram due to range, or lose transversal by sn eaking in with you. EDIT: Also, t2 lights might be able to scare him. Warrior II's no longer catch Crows, now that they go 10km/s or something insane. ;.; ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Vladimir Norkoff The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:38:00 - [4] Maybe try damps to force the Crow to get in close and then scram/web/nos it??.. Though honestly, I don't really think most interceptor pilots would be foolish enough to do that.. Or perhaps use a Prophecy with an Assault Launcher?.. Which would probably gimp your set-up if you went up against anything else..
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Ryysa on 17/01/2007 17:36:59 This is how - Quote: [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely misses blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely misses blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 58.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 64.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:04 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 2.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:04 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits blabla (Crow), doing 43.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II perfectly strikes blabla (Crow), wrecking for 200.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 78.3 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 61.5 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 74.1 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:06 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 81.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 104.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 104.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely scratches blabla (Crow), causing 40.9 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 119.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II places an excellent hit on blabla (Crow), inflicting 147.1 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 145.6 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely scratches blabla (Crow), causing 78.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 148.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits blabla (Crow), doing 54.4 damage. Took me 6 seconds last time i tried... i censored the name. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:41:00 - [6] NOS him. Suck his cap dry, THEN sic your drones on him. I like to use a large to suck the cap and a medium or two to keep him dry. But just one medium will do the trick. He'll run like a scared little girl.
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Trask Kilraen NOS him. Suck his cap dry, THEN sic your drones on him. I like to use a large to suck the cap and a medium or two to keep him dry. But just one medium will do the trick. He'll run like a scared little girl. Unless you have corpum nos or crow is stupid, he will never come under 12km. BS has the iwin button, 1 nos, ceptors fks off. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Sumayyah Minmatar Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 17/01/2007 17:36:59 This is how - Quote: [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely misses blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely misses blabla (Crow). [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 58.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:03 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 64.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:04 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 2.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:04 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits blabla (Crow), doing 43.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II perfectly strikes blabla (Crow), wrecking for 200.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 78.3 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II hits blabla (Crow), doing 61.5 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:05 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 74.1 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:06 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 81.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 104.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Bloodclaw Light Missile belonging to blabla hits you, doing 104.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely scratches blabla (Crow), causing 40.9 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 119.4 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:07 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II places an excellent hit on blabla (Crow), inflicting 147.1 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 145.6 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II barely scratches blabla (Crow), causing 78.0 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II is well aimed at blabla (Crow), inflicting 148.2 damage. [ 2007.01.16 20:39:09 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits blabla (Crow), doing 54.4 damage. Took me 6 seconds last time i tried... i censored the name. Vaga? I'm an ! I will always be an ! that is all I have to say But thats not all!!! Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact Jet Collins in game.
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:54:00 - [9] Depends on the pilot and how its fitted tbh. If its a pimp crow..ur pretty much dead. Unless he makes a mistake and u can get a web. No matter what ur in..with faction scrams Crow can stay at 25k+ Basically in a Harbinger u cant,unless Crow messes up. As said, there too fast for ur guns and drones. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM15) Ace - 1000 kills (Fox) targets are lewt, just not yet in can form
solarwinds ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:57:00 - [10] Huginn pilots make Crows turn into dead Crows. 40km web range 2 webs + precision heavy missiles + target painter = Roast Crow a l'Orange for dinner. Originally by:* Lygos Plus y'know we're the f#cking Inst'l Stahbase Syndicate.
Mikojo	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:02:00 - [11] Warrior IIs.
solarwinds ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Mikojo Warrior IIs. Too slow. I've seen far too many 10-12km/s Crows in 0.0 to trust my anti-tackler strategy to drones that can't catch them. Missiles are also fast, but again, not fast enough. You need to web them, the only way to do that at the common ranges of engagement is with a Huginn. Paint them when they're MWD'ing and they'll be big as a house (even with a Gistii). Even medium artilleries can hit burtally hard when they can barely move and have a huge sig radius. Originally by: Lygos Plus y'know we're the f#cking Inst'l Stahbase Syndicate.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:48:00 - [13] crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped...
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.17 18:59:00 - [15] A stabber vaga any one of the destroyers punisher with beams/merlin with rails harpy hawk retribution(sometimes)other interceptors and if the guy is not experienced any droneboat.... Oh yeah and any battleship...And the curse.... __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:00:00 - [16] Crow is definately a hard ceptor to kill, faction webber is usually an unpleasant surprise for a Crow pilot. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Ruciza	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course...
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course... No ammount of guns, ammo or skills can make 425's track a crow orbiting you at 18K, it's impossible. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course... there's nothing more to the story, really I was alone, crow tackled me, orbitting with gist mwd running @ about 18km I activate my 6 425m II's crow goes pop
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course... No ammount of guns, ammo or skills can make 425's track a crow orbiting you at 18K, it's impossible. wanna bet? =P
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course... No ammount of guns, ammo or skills can make 425's track a crow orbiting you at 18K, it's impossible. wanna bet? =P Ok, go and test it, get a crow to do a steady orbit you at 18k tell me how many times you hit him. The guy you engaged must have overshot his orbit and had to come back in at you keeping his transversal low so you could inst pop him, if his transversal is high you will never hit him. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Deathbarrage crows on mwd are easily popped... The other day i was in 0.0 in a hurricane with 425mm II's and barrage. A crow was orbitting me @ about 18km with a gist mwd fitted (found out later in the lootcan ^^) and i just turned on my guns and he popped... Your trying to tell me that crow orbiting you at 18k was killed by your 425's? Somehow I think there is a little more to your story. Barrage? 6 guns? And skills, of course... No ammount of guns, ammo or skills can make 425's track a crow orbiting you at 18K, it's impossible. wanna bet? =P Ok, go and test it, get a crow to do a steady orbit you at 18k tell me how many times you hit him. The guy you engaged must have overshot his orbit and had to come back in at you keeping his transversal low so you could inst pop him, if his transversal is high you will never hit him. dude, hitting is chance based, i was there, you weren't, I killed the guy you didn't, I saw the fight you didn't, don't tell me what can never happen cuz it did
kbullet 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:29:00 - [23] well make sure u use t1 high tracking ammo, if you have an mwd, mwd on the opposite direction that can decrease your transversal as you move the crow have to alter its orbit so then he can make a mistake. Timing can be crucial. launch ur warrior II, but just leave them time the attack order and f1-f8 i have a fitting with mixed heavy pulse and focused pulse due to cpu and grid issues but focused pulse should be able to track better.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:35:00 - [24] i suppose i had luck however the general trick is if a crow's orbitting you just mwd in a direction and the computer will adjust his orbit causing him to fly straight at you for a couple of seconds... 20km scrambler crow is so vulnerable you will nearly instapop him
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.17 19:40:00 - [25] I think he means the crow was 18km away, not moving at 18k/s. I imagine the guy either turned his MWD off, or changed direction and screwed up his transverse. 425s wont even hit a 'ceptor orbiting at 4k/s, let alone 18k/s. Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
easei Caldari Energy.	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:02:00 - [26] Hope that he just clicked orbit and make for a large group of roids (assuming it was a belt). If hes not paying attention he will get stuck on them and lose that 4km/s speed your guns and drones will hit.
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:25:00 - [27] Realize guns have a chance to hit wrecking. A wrecking will hit no matter what.. no matter how fast he is going.. no matter the range. I have a harpy with a max range of like 30k with a certain ammo, and 5k falloff. I hit a ship at 150 KM before.. should have been 0, but it was a wrecking hit, so it just hit. Weather by design or bug is another question.
Leon 026 Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:28:00 - [28] Edited by: Leon 026 on 17/01/2007 22:27:53 Use any long range turret based interceptor, and either chase him or have him chase you. Keep speed, and watch as you outrun his missile explosion velocity, hitting you for 0.4 damage while you hit for full as his transversal is very low mid-chase. Pretty simple actually, as most crows will try and orbit, forcing them into chasing and/or lowering their transversal. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:46:00 - [29] They guy asks about his harbinger, and you guys start talking about huginns, vagabonds and hurricanes? wtf? Humpalot, try quad light beams, maybe? Or at least focused medium pulses.
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.17 22:50:00 - [30] Edited by: Hoshi on 17/01/2007 22:47:46 Lets make some assumptions here. Crow, interceptor level 4, gistii mwd give 219m sig radius. Hard to know he orbit speed but unless he had inertial fibers etc I would doubt much higher than 6km/s. 425mm have 0,1056 rad/sec tracking, 0,099 with skills and barrage. Input into the tracking formula give you around 5% hit chance at 18km if he where going 6km/s, 18% if he where going 4km/s and around 35% if he where going 2km/s. The numbers above include reducing the hit chance due to range (with max range skills and barrage bonus) as you are deep into falloff at 18km. You can more or less double the numbers above if you don't want to consider range. Conclusion: He where not orbiting you at speed at the time you activated you guns. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations

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