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LEWIS222
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:15:00 -
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hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: LEWIS222 hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
This is the best post of the day for reasons the OP are clearly not aware of.
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Jarjar
exscape corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.18 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 18/01/2007 09:41:29
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: LEWIS222 hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
This is the best post of the day for reasons the OP are clearly not aware of.

To enlighten the OP; destroying a ship in 0.5+ and NOT losing your own ship is considered an exploit, unless you're at war with the target.
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Raul deMalte
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Raul deMalte on 18/01/2007 11:05:36 Hand your battleship (with fittings) to me and I'll see what I can do to avoid you being banned... 
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Sly Raver
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:15:00 -
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Oh dear you are going to regret posting that. Kiss your Battleship goodbye :)
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Alumion
Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alumion on 18/01/2007 11:18:15 Wow, a Mining Fighter!
This opens a whole new kind if mining operations... Just imagine the terror an asteroid belt would feel when 10 miners all in carriers unleash their fearsome Digger I-s ------ "Scammers, pirates and ore thieves, the only thing that stands between us, and World of Warcraft.
God save you all." - Kublai |

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: LEWIS222 hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
As others pointed out you realize that's an exploit don't you?
Galactic Express Recruitment Post
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Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente Equilibrium Society
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:30:00 -
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I demand the resignation of the local Concord FC...
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Raelin Krens
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:36:00 -
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AHAHAHAHAHA!
If I got away with that I would have kept it a closely guarded secret. Nice job turning yourself in.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: LEWIS222 hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
PFFT, OF COURSE!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:51:00 -
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Darwin would be proud
Alliaanna [FOR SALE]25Mill Sp Amarr Char + Hauler Alt
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:03:00 -
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Maybe finally at last, without any of the usual assumptions, misinformation and sheep following the crowd we can finally, in one sweep, leaving no room for doubt, find out whether CONCORD avoidance is an exploit.
I know you all LOVE to say it is, but not one single person has ever actually found any official posting about it.
I conclude it is not an exploit. The simple reason being that if avoidance was an exploit, it would not be possible. Because to simply make your ship go POP when you are a naughty boy is perfectly possible, but no, instead they went to great lengths to introduce a convoluted police force who turn up some time later and do all sort of stuff, yet at the same time, they can be avoided. What was the point unless avoidance was valid?
I hope he keeps his BS and somebody official finally says "Look, if you can avoid CONCORD, good luck to you." Because it's not easy, not always possible even if you know how to do it, and for the most times with CONCORD intervention, the perp knows he will lose his ship and he doesn't care because it doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter if he loses it, then logically it doesn't matter if he keeps it.
Let us know how it goes LEWIS222.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove Maybe finally at last, without any of the usual assumptions, misinformation and sheep following the crowd we can finally, in one sweep, leaving no room for doubt, find out whether CONCORD avoidance is an exploit.
I know you all LOVE to say it is, but not one single person has ever actually found any official posting about it.
I've definitely seen official posts about it.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:28:00 -
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Don't tell me. Show me.
I spent an hour looking last week when this issue came up, and found nothing.
If such posts DO exist, it is unreasonable for CCP to expect anybody to keep themselves informed as to what is and what is not exploitative.
I DID find the part in the FAQs (not in official rules, or EULA, just Frequently Asked Questions) that said we are EXPECTED to inform ourselves of what is exploitative.
To expect us to do it, and gives us no single means of doing it, is completely unreasonable.
Considering the number of worthless or out of date pages on this very website, you'd think they could spare room for a particularly worthwhile one in there somewhere.
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove Maybe finally at last, without any of the usual assumptions, misinformation and sheep following the crowd we can finally, in one sweep, leaving no room for doubt, find out whether CONCORD avoidance is an exploit.
is there still any doubt about this?
How many times on how posts threads do dec's have to say it. yes it is an exploit. said 100 times. if you commit a crime in high sec then you must lose your ship otherwise it's an exploit. no question about it unless it has changed recently which i'm 99% sure it hasn't.
DE
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Originally by: LEWIS222 hahaha i just killed ******* in a .5 area and warped straight out to a .4 so i can't be cuaght so then I killed a noob mining in a fighter. with my battleship of course
This is the best post of the day for reasons the OP are clearly not aware of.
FIVE STARS!! __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside" |

Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:49:00 -
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Let's pretend for one moment that it is an exploit.
Why deliberately leave an exploit in the game?
They are anticipating losing the ship, and have factored that into costs, it matters not if they lose it or keep it. So why is it an exploit?
It is far more probable that it is only exploitative if you discover a mechanism by which you can reliably preserve an entire group of ships, without fail, and maintain the ability to wreak havoc on masses of people, and cause a major unbalancing of fortune in your favour in the high sec areas.
A solo pilot, hitting a solo pilot, and not losing his ship, is still probably running a huge risk of losing it, and is bound to come unstuck in the end through sec status, or a lucky concord strike, a misaligned warp, etc. It's just not big enough a deal to call it "exploit" and threaten bans.
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Dr Cron
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Posted - 2007.01.18 14:59:00 -
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Concord farked up so its the dudes fault? Weak!
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Trillian Mcmillan on 18/01/2007 16:01:56
Originally by: Imaran Evading CONCORD is indeed classed as an exploit, and therefore a bannable offence.
Ok.. its not a dev but ISD.. still.. they should know.
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove Let's pretend for one moment that it is an exploit.
Why deliberately leave an exploit in the game?
They are anticipating losing the ship, and have factored that into costs, it matters not if they lose it or keep it. So why is it an exploit?
It is far more probable that it is only exploitative if you discover a mechanism by which you can reliably preserve an entire group of ships, without fail, and maintain the ability to wreak havoc on masses of people, and cause a major unbalancing of fortune in your favour in the high sec areas.
A solo pilot, hitting a solo pilot, and not losing his ship, is still probably running a huge risk of losing it, and is bound to come unstuck in the end through sec status, or a lucky concord strike, a misaligned warp, etc. It's just not big enough a deal to call it "exploit" and threaten bans.
Look, this is quite simple. ppl always come on here trying to reason it out saying as u say "why is it an exploit". it's an exploit because ccp says it is and that should be enough for you. it's been made clear many times so just obey the rule or don't play the game, simple.
also how it is very difficult for the devs to make it so u lose ur ships 100% of the time without simply making u explode as soon as u do it which is boring. to make it seem realistic there has to be a slight delay in concord getting to u otherwise suiciding would become impossible.
so yes a dev will hopefully come in here and waste more of his time by repeating yet again that it's an exploit but really ppl should just trust ppl who use these forums very often and abide by the rules instead of trying to figure out why u don't think they should be there.
sorry if i sound direct but this issue comes up soooo often
DE
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:22:00 -
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It's not a waste of his time to tell us what are exploits. We're supposed to keep ourselves informed. There isn't even anything in the rules that says "You must read the FAQ for the rest of the rules" - FAQS are supposed to be optional, and when you look in them for an answer, and that answer says "We're not telling you the answer, but you have to know the answer, so go out there and find out for yourself" how forlorn do you feel?
Right now, I hear a lot of the usual fanboy rhetoric. And YET AGAIN, nobody has showed me any official information.
So if CCP simply CANNOT BE BOTHERED to tell us what known exploits are in a sensible fashion, then they should come in here every single time a question is raised, or not punish anybody who breaks those rules.
I have no problem "wasting" the time of people I am paying. I do however have a problem paying people who waste my time. There should be no onus on me to waste my time trying to find out the rules of the game I pay to play.
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KaptnSparrow
Caldari TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:28:00 -
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about a half year ago I shot a gang mate in airaken and he was not in my corp...
so concord showed up... ...and didn't do anything to my lovley caracal, just watching my ass if I do it again...
now is this considered and exploit? Cause we were sitting here 15 minutes and making bets in the gang channel if they shoot or not...
...i gues next time I have to selfdestruct, cause It can't be that I accidentally avoid concord...
defnetly the funniest thing ever happened to me in even 
i was used to be ceo and now I have nothing to say, this is so relaxing :) |

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:29:00 -
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I lol'd at the sploiter Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -ISD Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!? |

Gant Stryker
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:41:00 -
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Troll.
To have this work the gate would have had to let him through before CONCORD arrived to kill him. Agression timer is well over the 15-20 seconds it takes CONCORD to respond in a 0.5 system.
I smell BS.
[url=http://killboard.intrepidcrossing.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50] [/url] |

Khandrish
Caldari e X i l e
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove It's not a waste of his time to tell us what are exploits. We're supposed to keep ourselves informed. There isn't even anything in the rules that says "You must read the FAQ for the rest of the rules" - FAQS are supposed to be optional, and when you look in them for an answer, and that answer says "We're not telling you the answer, but you have to know the answer, so go out there and find out for yourself" how forlorn do you feel?
Right now, I hear a lot of the usual fanboy rhetoric. And YET AGAIN, nobody has showed me any official information.
So if CCP simply CANNOT BE BOTHERED to tell us what known exploits are in a sensible fashion, then they should come in here every single time a question is raised, or not punish anybody who breaks those rules.
I have no problem "wasting" the time of people I am paying. I do however have a problem paying people who waste my time. There should be no onus on me to waste my time trying to find out the rules of the game I pay to play.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427544&page=3
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=456637
Owned by 60 seconds of research...
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DarkElf
Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Khandrish
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427544&page=3
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=456637
Owned by 60 seconds of research...
thank you. i couldn't find them. that good enough for you?
DE
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Khandrish
Caldari e X i l e
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:47:00 -
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Eve-Search is a beautiful thing... |

banner
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Posted - 2007.01.18 18:02:00 -
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i found them ok, copy and paste the link, scroll to the bottom, the mod is clearly stating that evading CONCORD is an exploit, if that isnt evidence enough for ya then i guess nothing would be
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Rooker
The Aussie Connection Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gant Stryker Troll.
To have this work the gate would have had to let him through before CONCORD arrived to kill him. Agression timer is well over the 15-20 seconds it takes CONCORD to respond in a 0.5 system.
I smell BS.
Smells funny to me too, but..... If he's in a heavily plated, slow-aligning battleship and the 0.4 gate was a large distance away (100 au or more), I can see it taking long enough to get there that the gate would let him through. --- Space For Rent |

Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.18 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove It's not a waste of his time to tell us what are exploits. We're supposed to keep ourselves informed. There isn't even anything in the rules that says "You must read the FAQ for the rest of the rules" - FAQS are supposed to be optional, and when you look in them for an answer, and that answer says "We're not telling you the answer, but you have to know the answer, so go out there and find out for yourself" how forlorn do you feel?
Right now, I hear a lot of the usual fanboy rhetoric. And YET AGAIN, nobody has showed me any official information.
So if CCP simply CANNOT BE BOTHERED to tell us what known exploits are in a sensible fashion, then they should come in here every single time a question is raised, or not punish anybody who breaks those rules.
I have no problem "wasting" the time of people I am paying. I do however have a problem paying people who waste my time. There should be no onus on me to waste my time trying to find out the rules of the game I pay to play.
I agree with much of what you say. CCP should post a list of things you're not allowed to do. But their philosophy on eve is typically that you can do anything you want to within game mechanics, except when it comes to concord.
I'll give you a history lesson. CCP used to let people kill each other in high sec. Usually concord got them, but sometimes they didn't. Everybody was ok with that for the most part. But then a corp by the name of Zombie Inc came along. They realized that they could easily tank concord by remote repairing whatever target concord was shooting at. So they camped Yulai (think jita) and they killed everybody. They kill hundreds of people.
The GM's were none too pleased. nor were the carebears. They decided to reimburse all the stuff that everybody lost to the camp, and they banned most of Zombie inc.
After this incident, CCP decided to revise their policy in high sec. It was always intended that Concord would have a huge edge, but they realized that there would always be some exploitable bug that would allow people to commit mass murder in high sec. They don't want angry carebears on their backs, and they don't like having to answer hundreds of petitions from one incident in empire.
So they decided that if you manage to get away from concord, and not lose your ship, then you're exploiting. Whether you've actually broken game mechanics or not. They intend for everybody who agro's in high sec to die. So whether you get away by using a blatent exploit, or you've simply outwitted their crappy AI, they don't like it, and they've made it an exploit.
CCP definitely likes to keep information secret, which bothers me as much as you. But there were several ISD posts about this issue, and probably a GM/Dev post as well. I'm not going to bother trying to find it because it was long ago, but if you want to, then be my guest. Search for zombie inc, or concord exploit or something, and you might get lucky.
Maybe CCP finally has the balls to change this policy, but I doubt it. They've been burned a couple times by concord's ineptness, and they don't want it to happen anymore.
Shamis
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