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Sindy Maya Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.01 13:27:02 - [1] - Quote Many players are abusing the application of bounty, especially with new players, where they apply heavy bounties in your char. Where you do not need to talk, just the fact that you join in the channel they already applying some bounties. >>>What to do in such cases and with these players?
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 490	Posted - 2016.01.01 13:35:30 - [2] - Quote Don't worry, they just want to play.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 29563	Posted - 2016.01.01 13:50:56 - [3] - Quote There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. You're just trolling. Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Sindy Maya Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.01 14:43:50 - [4] - Quote Solecist Project thanks for the reply, and... i-¦m not a faceless alt, i delete my old char (trial char) so I was very scared for taking 40 million isk in bounty obs: sorry me, not english speak
Einsteins Daughter Nighthawk Exploration Daishu Kai 156	Posted - 2016.01.01 14:58:53 - [5] - Quote Sindy Maya wrote: I was very scared for taking 40 million isk in bounty I wouldn't worry about it. The bounty system is effectively useless in many respects. People who kill you when you have a bounty on you will only get a percentage of the bounty dependant on the value of the ship you're flying when you're killed. In most cases (unless it's an extreme bounty into the billions of ISK) having a bounty doesn't bring any risk with it at all. Just ignore it and keep playing, and just think of how badass you look with that 'Wanted' sign on your portrait. Like Sol said, more often than not, people are bountied just for fun or to see what their reaction is.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6152	Posted - 2016.01.01 15:08:53 - [6] - Quote Sindy Maya wrote: Many players are abusing the application of bounty, especially with new players, where they apply heavy bounties in your char. Where you do not need to talk, just the fact that you join in the channel they already applying some bounties. >>>What to do in such cases and with these players? First things first: Bounties are useless and nobody pays attention to them. So, with that, let's answer your question. Ignore bounties, they are useless. They don't change anything about the game (legal fight rights aren't changed. People who can shoot you can regardless of a bounty or not on your head, the same counts for people who can't legally shoot you, this stays the same with or without bounty). p.s. Just cause you don't like how something works, doesn't mean it is abusing the system. Learn the difference. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9939	Posted - 2016.01.01 15:17:18 - [7] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. ~~You're just trolling.~~ In case you're not ... There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing. I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has. Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing. What matters is that the bounties create social content ... ... and they do that really well. That is a bit heavy handed and out of order, tbh, especially for NCQ&A Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
David Therman University of Caille Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2016.01.01 15:18:13 - [8] - Quote To be wanted, is to be loved. In all seriousness, it's their isk that they're wasting on a practically meaningless game mechanic, don't sweat over it.
Sindy Maya Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.01 15:34:01 - [9] - Quote thank you all. I thought it was like hunted brand as in many other games. I thought of abuse as if it was abuse of power
Jeremy 929 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.01 16:03:57 - [10] - Quote so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character?
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1059	Posted - 2016.01.01 16:05:04 - [11] - Quote Sindy Maya wrote: obs: sorry me, not english speak No worries. This section of the forum is english only but while I can only speak for myself I think that most of us are totally fine with working through translation issues.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6154	Posted - 2016.01.01 16:21:30 - [12] - Quote Jeremy 929 wrote: so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character? Wanted = Has a bounty. And no, it doesnt mean you become a legal target. But it wont stop someone who want to just suicide on you if they can. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 508	Posted - 2016.01.01 16:37:36 - [13] - Quote Ignore bounties. Everyone reguardless of bounty status is a target in the sense that one can be attacked at any time. The question is, is it worth it to the attacker? In high sec, attacking someone without kill rights of some sort invokes Concord and concord will blow up your ship, any attempt to evade concord is considered an exploit. But this is strictly a punishment not a prevention. In general, bounties aren't an incentive because it is awarded based on your ship value, which is not much. And because most of the people looking for targets are often trigger happy and would shoot you for the lols anyway. No matter what common wisdom someone may give you, once you undock you are not safe, but in hs at least, you are highly unlikely to be attacked. Think of it like RL. You can walk in a convenience store in town without worry most of the time, but every once in awhile, someone robs the store, and you don't want to be there then. That is how HS works. Also, try not to delete your characters again. The skill points give you a head start and are better than starting over. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Jeremy 929 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.01.01 16:39:38 - [14] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Jeremy 929 wrote: so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character? Wanted = Has a bounty. And no, it doesnt mean you become a legal target. But it wont stop someone who want to just suicide on you if they can. i see... so "wanted" doesn't mean "wanted by the authorities" thx
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1059	Posted - 2016.01.01 17:15:49 - [15] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Ignore bounties. This is the best advice. Bounties change nothing and are useless other than to create drama for players that don't like having the word "wanted" at the bottom of their picture. They seriously are a useless mechanic that not only do you not need to worry about but there is no use in you wasting your time to try and "figure them out". You are not going to be hunted for your bounty and you will not be hunting other's for their bounty.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1995	Posted - 2016.01.01 17:37:24 - [16] - Quote Be proud of your bounty, somebody found it worth spending money to pay people a small tip if they manage to kill you. Unless you have a couple hundred million bounty on your head and also fly multi-billion worth ships, bounties are just social interaction. Clueless people will fear you, enemies will acknowledge the tip, and you have fun knowing every time you die, somebody else has a payday. I'm my own NPC alt.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 509	Posted - 2016.01.01 18:33:54 - [17] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Clueless people will fear you, . This! It is funny how newbies react to the Wanted! OMG! My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 718	Posted - 2016.01.01 20:29:50 - [18] - Quote Just my two cents worth. If a bounty bothers you, you can always start another character, transfer everything to that character then biomass(delete) the character that had the bounty. Or 1. Remembering that a player gets 20% of the cost of the ship they destroy capped at the amount of your bounty. 2. Do the math and buy a ship that cost that enough so that 20% of it's value will clear the bounty. 3. Make sure you are in a clone that has A. no implants or B. implants you can afford to lose. 4. Go roam around low sec, someone will be glad to remove your bounty by killing your ship. And if they pod you then you get a free trip back to your home station instantly. Or as the others said simply ignore it and have fun.
Pix Severus Mew Age Outpaws 1758	Posted - 2016.01.01 21:51:05 - [19] - Quote I like having a bounty, it makes me look scarier to the newbies. Unfortunately I die a lot and my bounty keeps getting cleared. My lord.
Soloman Jackson Locust Assets 98	Posted - 2016.01.02 00:06:03 - [20] - Quote Hell, I've been playing for a couple years. I can't get a bounty to save my ass! I've blown up MTU's in front of folks, snatched Frostline loot from folks....Nothing. Sheesh. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. "I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 513	Posted - 2016.01.02 04:28:13 - [21] - Quote Would you like me to give you a bounty? My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Soloman Jackson Locust Assets 99	Posted - 2016.01.02 04:48:19 - [22] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Would you like me to give you a bounty? Hahahaha! No, I wanna earn it at least. Maybe collect a few tears in the process. "I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 513	Posted - 2016.01.02 05:29:10 - [23] - Quote You can join one of the blockades that have been pwning me today. Been through hundreds of blockades with no problems then and suddenly can't get past one today. The last one was clearly lag though, so I wonder if some of the others might be too. I was 4 jumps from home too. Man, meaningful losses = meaningful rewards indeed. But still sucks when you lose. That load was supposed to outfit at least a six ship stable. Now I'm back spinning in amarr. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Soloman Jackson Locust Assets 99	Posted - 2016.01.02 05:55:18 - [24] - Quote I bought 12 Kestrels, fully fit them and have them sitting one jump outside of low sec. Maybe in the process of losing those I can get a bounty. One can only hope. :) "I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1031	Posted - 2016.01.02 11:02:56 - [25] - Quote Sindy Maya wrote: Many players are abusing the application of bounty, especially with new players, where they apply heavy bounties in your char. Where you do not need to talk, just the fact that you join in the channel they already applying some bounties. >>>What to do in such cases and with these players? You newbies are lucky you guys get to keep your wanted sign on your face. I never manage to keep my bounties on me when I'm active since I tend to lose ships in the process of playing EVE as it's meant to be. Heck the 20 million bounty I got from a miner we ganked in lowsec disappeared 20 minutes later in the form of a BC lossmail and some assorted frigs. Then again I'm inactive as hell on EVE atm so please dump 100 mil bounties on me to motivate me to play again. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 515	Posted - 2016.01.02 16:30:18 - [26] - Quote Soloman Jackson wrote: I bought 12 Kestrels, fully fit them and have them sitting one jump outside of low sec. Maybe in the process of losing those I can get a bounty. One can only hope. :) Milk those tears. It's all about player interaction. Right before you blow up their ship, offer some ridiculous ransom. Or after you blow up the ship point the pod, and spend a few minutes mocking them before you blow them up. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1814	Posted - 2016.01.04 00:15:46 - [27] - Quote There was some guy in Rens used to bounty everyone in local, Not sure if he did it for lols or was just a scammer trying to make everyone "Wanted" so he didn't stand out. Basically Bounties are Street Cred and that is about it, no-one is going to attack you just for a bounty.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5642	Posted - 2016.01.04 00:36:17 - [28] - Quote CCP SoniClover wrote: * Having a bounty on you will never by itself make you a legal target anywhere. CCP SoniClover wrote: * The 20% payout is based on the loss value of the kill report, not on the bounty pool itself. Example: If you have a 150 million bounty on you and the loss value of the kill report is 100 million, then 20 million will be paid out, leaving your remaining bounty at 130 million. If the bounty pool had been 15 million instead, then the entire 15 million would have been paid out on the kill. * The total loss value includes both ship and lost modules. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/more-retribution-for-team-super-friends/ Crimewatch Quick References: * Flags * Consequences Flowchart: Consequences of PvP in EVE Online
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 267	Posted - 2016.01.04 03:13:45 - [29] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. ~~You're just trolling.~~ In case you're not ... There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing. I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has. Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing. What matters is that the bounties create social content ... ... and they do that really well. There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system. Some people just place bounties on new people just for the sake of it because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system. Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything.
Memphis Baas 890	Posted - 2016.01.04 03:34:32 - [30] - Quote Jeremy 929 wrote: so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? To claim SOME of the bounty, they have to kill you. But they have to follow all the combat rules for the space where the fight takes place (highsec for example, they CAN attack you, but they'll lose their ship to police = it's called suicide ganking). And they get 20% of the value of your ship. So you can have 1,000,000 bounty, if you only fly newbie frigates (400,000) they only get 80,000. As above, if they attack you in highsec, they will lose their ship (400,000) to police, and will only get 80,000 bounty. Thus, not worth it. Lesson for highsec: if your ship or the loot in your cargo is worth millions, you may get attacked. People lose 400k and gain your loot millions. Worth it = suicide gank.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 531	Posted - 2016.01.04 03:50:24 - [31] - Quote People also suicide gank for the Lols. Or one of the Alliances might be holding an event, like Burn Jita where tears are the currency of choice. So yea, just adding more emphasis on Highsec is NOT safe, just generally less likely. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
gravytrader Little Red X 2	Posted - 2016.01.05 09:04:13 - [32] - Quote Jeremy 929 wrote: so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character? I can put a bounty on you in real life. Doesn't make it legal for someone to take you out...but you still may get taken out. Same difference.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1074	Posted - 2016.01.05 12:27:44 - [33] - Quote gravytrader wrote: Jeremy 929 wrote: so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone? is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character? I can put a bounty on you in real life. Doesn't make it legal for someone to take you out...but you still may get taken out. Same difference. In real life that would be a crime. Unless you were a governmental organization. Even then it would be however since they run their respective court systems it becomes complicated to hold them accountable. Back to your comparison here, in real life hiring someone to kill another person ( which a bounty is just a publicly available contract ) is a crime. You are considered just as guilty as the person pulling the trigger. In this game there are no consequences inherent to game mechanics for a person placing a bounty on other person. This is a game and a Sci Fi one at that, you'd probably be better off trying to avoid real life comparison to game mechanic rules as much as possible. Obviously you can do as you wish, I'm just saying we come to this game to live a fantasy not mimic real life, or at least that's why I come here.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 30346	Posted - 2016.01.05 13:41:45 - [34] - Quote Avvy wrote: Solecist Project wrote: There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. ~~You're just trolling.~~ In case you're not ... There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing. I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has. Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing. What matters is that the bounties create social content ... ... and they do that really well. There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system. Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system. Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything. Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like. Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :) RoAnnon wrote: O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me I just scanned for sites and I found a C3 The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 269	Posted - 2016.01.06 04:03:06 - [35] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Avvy wrote: Solecist Project wrote: There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. ~~You're just trolling.~~ In case you're not ... There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing. I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has. Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing. What matters is that the bounties create social content ... ... and they do that really well. There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system. Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system. Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything. Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like. Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :) Not at all, don't believe that for one second (highlighted and underlined bit). But the system from an RP perspective is complete and utter BS. I know if I was going to place a bounty on a character, it wouldn't be using the bounty system. As for dropping a few million bounty on Avvy, I wouldn't waste your isk. Just under a month of my sub. left and it's starting to look like I won't be bothering to even log in.
SetSail ForEpicFail KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 16	Posted - 2016.01.06 07:23:44 - [36] - Quote a bounty means nothing unless you are in a very expensive ship and have a very high bounty, bu that time you should be long gone from highsec allready and people will blow you up bounty or not
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 30441	Posted - 2016.01.06 08:17:53 - [37] - Quote Avvy wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Avvy wrote: Solecist Project wrote: There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway. Look up what abuse means. Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic. I use them as personality test. ~~You're just trolling.~~ In case you're not ... There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing. I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has. Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing. What matters is that the bounties create social content ... ... and they do that really well. There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system. Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system. Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything. Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like. Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :) Not at all, don't believe that for one second (bolded and underlined bit). But the system from an RP perspective is complete and utter BS. I know if I was going to place a bounty on a character, it wouldn't be using the bounty system. As for dropping a few million bounty on Avvy, I wouldn't waste your isk. Just under a month of my sub. left and it's starting to look like I won't be bothering to even log in. Suddenly it's about RP, which had no mention in your initial post. Suddenly it's a completely different context. Suddenly it's not just about old players being mean to young players. Do you even realize that you can't be taken seriously now? I fully agree that you shouldn't bother... RoAnnon wrote: O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me I just scanned for sites and I found a C3 The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 269	Posted - 2016.01.06 16:27:36 - [38] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: [ Suddenly it's about RP, which had no mention in your initial post. Suddenly it's a completely different context. Suddenly it's not just about old players being mean to young players. Do you even realize that you can't be taken seriously now? I fully agree that you shouldn't bother... Nothing suddenly about it. Sadly a lot of MMOs have moved away from RP in favour of a theme park style, with achievements not helping as players seem just to treat them like a list of things to do. Probably because most players don't RP in any real sense anymore. The bounty system doesn't work properly in this game and is unlikely to be fixed as I don't think CCP know how to fix it. But some players do abuse the system by just giving bounties to NPC corp. players. Just because they're NPC corp. new players. Most will be new as the older ones will already have a small bounty. Which is all part of the them and us mentality that exists in this game between some of the PvPers and PvEers. l
Keno Skir 766	Posted - 2016.01.06 17:40:01 - [39] - Quote I re-activated my acct yesterday after a 2 month break. It took approx 40 seconds before the first bounty :) Some people just aren't trying hard enough.. Gùï> 30 Day Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 30 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
Centis Adjani Adjani Corporation 100	Posted - 2016.01.06 18:02:09 - [40] - Quote Avvy wrote: The bounty system doesn't work properly in this game and is unlikely to be fixed as I don't think CCP know how to fix it. What is much to fix there? 1) Remove these ugly and just only disturbing "Wanted" signs from the Profile Pictures. 2) Remove the complete bounty system programming. 3) Done. What is complete senseless and useless, should not stay in game and should not cost server side resources, which better should be given to other game objectives.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1832	Posted - 2016.01.06 23:09:11 - [41] - Quote There is not much to be done about the bounty system. Currently it is pretty much ignored. It would require a massive bounty before people went out of their way to kill you for it. If you gave it "more teeth" people would just game it killing themselves with alts to get the bounty. You could introduce NPC sentinel type bounty hunters to hunt down people with bounties. This would giv ebounties some "teeth" making it risky for a high bounty player to undock in a freughter for example but (in addition to introducing a non sandbox element) this would make placing bounties a serious source of griefing especially against new players.
Sitting Bull Lakota Careless Bears LLC 53	Posted - 2016.01.07 06:32:52 - [42] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: There is not much to be done about the bounty system. Currently it is pretty much ignored. It would require a massive bounty before people went out of their way to kill you for it. If you gave it "more teeth" people would just game it killing themselves with alts to get the bounty. You could introduce NPC sentinel type bounty hunters to hunt down people with bounties. This would giv ebounties some "teeth" making it risky for a high bounty player to undock in a freughter for example but (in addition to introducing a non sandbox element) this would make placing bounties a serious source of griefing especially against new players. I hear you about it being toothless. You're right about how npc hunters would make it an extreme griefing tool. Some would say that it should only be tied to criminal acts and killmails. I think this would be a mistake. Ninja looting missions isn't a crime. Bumping isn't a crime. Extrotion using wardecs or aggression mechanics aren't crimes. Ripping people off and going back on deals and running cons in the ship trading channel should be some of the most dangerous things you can do in EvE. There has got to be a way to give bounties teeth without severly limiting who can be bountied or giving bounties glaring exploit/griefing options. Anyway, there is no cause for alarm or variation in one's playstyle whether he has 0 bounty or 100 billion bounty. There is no economical way to collect it in highsec, and you'd get shot at no matter what your bounty is in low, null, or wh. At present, the alarm from getting bountied as a new player simply encourages them to start searching out more info on EvE. This is a positive effect.

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