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DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 254	Posted - 2016.01.05 01:42:14 - [1] - Quote Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter. The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15659	Posted - 2016.01.05 01:44:22 - [2] - Quote Can we please ban the OP from this subforum? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 527	Posted - 2016.01.05 02:49:05 - [3] - Quote This would be useless because the people ganking you would just lock you up right away because they equip sebos, and they are in a destroyer, and you are in a big ship. -1 Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
FT Diomedes The Graduates 2155	Posted - 2016.01.05 02:53:48 - [4] - Quote The last mining op I was in had 60 blue pilots in local. All working together for mutual defense and profit. And not a single one was harmed. CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15663	Posted - 2016.01.05 03:14:33 - [5] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: The last mining op I was in had 60 blue pilots in local. All working together for mutual defense and profit. And not a single one was harmed. Oh come on now, you know it's unreasonable to expect people to work together in an MMO. MMOs, as everyone knows, are for grinding away by yourself to make the green number get bigger exactly as though it were Farmville on Facebook. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2461	Posted - 2016.01.05 04:06:17 - [6] - Quote What are the chance of a TSB to ever do anything when locked by at most 4 ships?
Maria Dragoon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 77	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:09:28 - [7] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter. The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank. Can I just... call you out on this one? Mining is a ***** to do solo. Even with alts backing you, you typically make more money doing it in groups then you do solo, due to A, protect, B, moving into more dangrous areas to make more isk, and C, it makes it like 20 times less boring when you do it with others.
Jerghul Running with Dogs Stella Nova 1	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:15:11 - [8] - Quote Remembering that the average player pays for a subscription for about 2 months, plays EvE for about 10 hours a week during those two months. Then goes do something else. Yah, tell us some more about what you think that average player should do Maria. You seem very in touch. " We have been doing a lot of challenging old assumptions of late, and often with delightful results. Just because something is doesn't mean it should be..." -Team Game Of Drones (Dec 2015)
Maria Dragoon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 77	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:22:01 - [9] - Quote Jerghul wrote: Remembering that the average player pays for a subscription for about 2 months, plays EvE for about 10 hours a week during those two months. Then goes do something else. Yah, tell us some more about what you think that average player should do Maria. You seem very in touch. Where do you get these numbers? Please inform me what database, search engine, or website you get these numbers from. Or are you following me around making up random data because you think it irritates me? All you done is post an off topic post, simply to attack me, and contributed nothing to the topic at hand.
Jerghul Running with Dogs Stella Nova 1	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:24:52 - [10] - Quote Maria Or...do your own research. The data is out there. You just have to know how to find and analyse it. " We have been doing a lot of challenging old assumptions of late, and often with delightful results. Just because something is doesn't mean it should be..." -Team Game Of Drones (Dec 2015)

Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15666	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:27:58 - [11] - Quote Maria Dragoon wrote: Where do you get these numbers? In the Army, we would call it his "4th point of contact", otherwise colloquially known as his ass. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 264	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:29:01 - [12] - Quote In high sec I support some sort of anti ganking device... in nullsec... your nullbears are to safe already.. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Jerghul Running with Dogs Stella Nova 1	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:35:14 - [13] - Quote Karous I have no problem pulling numbers out of other people's synonym for donkeys and of can of course maintain full transparency, so will tell you the next time and every time I extract numbers from your ass. Did not happen in the cited case. I was curious, so did some research. " We have been doing a lot of challenging old assumptions of late, and often with delightful results. Just because something is doesn't mean it should be..." -Team Game Of Drones (Dec 2015)
Maria Dragoon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2016.01.05 07:49:57 - [14] - Quote Jerghul wrote: Karous I have no problem pulling numbers out of other people's synonym for donkeys and of can of course maintain full transparency, so will tell you the next time and every time I extract numbers from your ass. Did not happen in the cited case. I was curious, so did some research. Please stop this, you are adding nothing to the thread on hand. You are simply following me around making attacks on me. This is also known as harassment.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 15669	Posted - 2016.01.05 08:06:52 - [15] - Quote Maria Dragoon wrote: Jerghul wrote: Karous I have no problem pulling numbers out of other people's synonym for donkeys and of can of course maintain full transparency, so will tell you the next time and every time I extract numbers from your ass. Did not happen in the cited case. I was curious, so did some research. Please stop this, you are adding nothing to the thread on hand. You are simply following me around making attacks on me. This is also known as harassment. I think he also just threatened to molest me. Not entirely sure, his writing is less exceptional. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4276	Posted - 2016.01.05 08:07:39 - [16] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter. The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank. No. Learn to scout. Don't mine in systems frequented by CODE., and fly a procurer/skiff and fit a tank. And this is an MMO...playing with others is what is intended. Solo play is typically harder than group play. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4276	Posted - 2016.01.05 08:11:03 - [17] - Quote Jerghul wrote: Remembering that the average player pays for a subscription for about 2 months, plays EvE for about 10 hours a week during those two months. Then goes do something else. Yah, tell us some more about what you think that average player should do Maria. You seem very in touch. Looks like somebody has a stalker....a creepy and incoherent stalker. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Jerghul Running with Dogs Stella Nova 1	Posted - 2016.01.05 08:15:14 - [18] - Quote Karous If you are uncomfortable with the thought of things being removed from human anatomy, then not bringing it up might be a thought. Maria Feel free to use the rapport function if you feel any post was not in keeping with the sentiment with the spirit of many, many posts. The point I made here is entirely pertinent. The average EvE player has by no way access to the resources you take for granted, nor will they gain meaningful access in the time that remains for them in the game. Your suggestion on how they should go about playing EvE is an invalid counterargument. " We have been doing a lot of challenging old assumptions of late, and often with delightful results. Just because something is doesn't mean it should be..." -Team Game Of Drones (Dec 2015)
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 123	Posted - 2016.01.05 13:19:48 - [19] - Quote Quote: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Removed some post. ISD Max Trix Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Evemails.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 848	Posted - 2016.01.05 15:03:20 - [20] - Quote We should call it the scissor technique. I think it should disable tank on the ship though. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 30365	Posted - 2016.01.05 15:27:15 - [21] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: We should call it the scissor technique. I think it should disable tank on the ship though. I have a friend who asked me to troll the OP, calling him out on the scissors technique. Having no idea wtf he was talking about, I refused to do so, because talking about female sexual pract..... nevermind. OP... what's the point of a mod you can't click on when you're afk? RoAnnon wrote: O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me I just scanned for sites and I found a C3 The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 724	Posted - 2016.01.05 15:30:27 - [22] - Quote Just some thoughts. Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target. FT Diomedes, you are out of touch with the current game as it plays out in high sec. Mining ops with more than 2 or 3 ships are rare in high sec and have been for many years so what does this have to do with the OP. Maria Dragoon wrote: Can I just... call you out on this one? Mining is a ***** to do solo. Even with alts backing you, you typically make more money doing it in groups then you do solo, due to A, protection, B, due to A, moving into more dangerous areas to make more isk, and C, it makes it like 20 times less boring when you do it with others. Maria you rate a quote here because. Mining solo in high sec can and often is far more profitable than mining in a group. Mining in fleet makes you many times more likely to rate a visit from pirates and gank squads because you present more targets all in the same area. The increased ship losses this represents can quickly eliminate any additional profit you may have. A. Protection, at least in high sec is one of the great lies that has been told and re-told so many times that it is now believed to be the truth. Miners and industrial players in high sec are two of the very few places left in the game where standings really matter. The rules of aggression in high sec and the standings penalties associated with breaking them make this whole concept of flying in a fleet for protection laughable at best. Change the rules of aggression and allow corp mates and or fleet mates to freely attack anyone that is attacking a fleet / corp member with out incurring penalties to their standings and then there would be a valid reason for this argument. While I agree with the less boring aspect of playing this game as group you really need to come to grips with what that means. Myself and corp mates can all go out solo and do our own thing and STILL have a good time talking on our TS and by text using the in-game chat windows. On the other hand some of the most boring times I have ever had in EvE where when I was flying as part of a large fleet.
Cidanel Afuran Static-Noise Upholders 549	Posted - 2016.01.05 15:56:59 - [23] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter. The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank. Someone watching local/d-scan/checking names against killboards/etc should never lose a mining ship
SetSail ForEpicFail KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2016.01.05 16:08:34 - [24] - Quote target breaker wont do you no good if afk...
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2063	Posted - 2016.01.05 16:24:40 - [25] - Quote Mining vessels can already use ECM drones to break locks, and freighters, well they are a capital ship that is intended to require an escort for protection. They should definitely not have a solo get-out-of-pvp-for-free button provided to facilitate their use without a support fleet. So -1.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 527	Posted - 2016.01.05 17:04:28 - [26] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target. Because I would like to use more useful mods in the game instead of stuff in the game like Defender Missiles that never get used. As an example, a catalyst with a sebo will take roughly 1.3 seconds to lock a barge, that same catalyst locking a freighter is well under 1 second. So then you factor in cycle time on the gun of 2.52 seconds. This means in the worst case scenario, you would be looking at disrupting half a cycle every time that it takes effect, however if the ganker reacts quick enough he could remain virtually unaffected depending on when his lock gets broken in regards to his cycle time. So for this mod to work it would have to work against very few numbers, which would then be a massive boost to lowsec mining because someone could simply bring out a skiff and if they miss dcscan, they can simply align out and activate this mod and wait for it to work. The OP would be better off finding a better form of security that is much more guaranteed to work that already exists in the game. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Tabyll Altol Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two 144	Posted - 2016.01.06 08:36:46 - [27] - Quote helana Tsero wrote: In high sec I support some sort of anti ganking device... in nullsec... your nullbears are to safe already.. Interesting theory but from own experience there was no concord spawn to protect me any time in 0.0, but every time in highsec. But 0.0 is the safer part :D nice joke. To the idea against it, there are plenty ways to reduce the risk beeing ganked in the game like e.g. a procurer with therm/Kin tank fit can tank around 100k damage. Use the existing ways. -1
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4280	Posted - 2016.01.06 14:32:58 - [28] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: Just some thoughts. Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target. FT Diomedes, you are out of touch with the current game as it plays out in high sec. Mining ops with more than 2 or 3 ships are rare in high sec and have been for many years so what does this have to do with the OP. Sooo...because they fly alone making themselves a much easier target....they should be compensated for that decision? Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Cidanel Afuran Static-Noise Upholders 553	Posted - 2016.01.06 16:04:21 - [29] - Quote Tabyll Altol wrote: Interesting theory but from own experience there was no concord spawn to protect me any time in 0.0, but every time in highsec. But 0.0 is the safer part :D nice joke. To the idea against it, there are plenty ways to reduce the risk beeing ganked in the game like e.g. a procurer with therm/Kin tank fit can tank around 100k damage. Use the existing ways. -1 Anyone in sov null as intel channels telling them when someone who isn't blue is coming from a dozen systems out. That is infinitely safer than HS CONCORD doesn't protect anyone.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2464	Posted - 2016.01.06 16:07:15 - [30] - Quote Cidanel Afuran wrote: Tabyll Altol wrote: Interesting theory but from own experience there was no concord spawn to protect me any time in 0.0, but every time in highsec. But 0.0 is the safer part :D nice joke. To the idea against it, there are plenty ways to reduce the risk beeing ganked in the game like e.g. a procurer with therm/Kin tank fit can tank around 100k damage. Use the existing ways. -1 Anyone in sov null as intel channels telling them when someone who isn't blue is coming from a dozen systems out. That is infinitely safer than HS CONCORD doesn't protect anyone. Make your own intel channel then?



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