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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.25 01:11:00 -
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I am still humbly awaiting an answer to why missions (especially courier) are still in the sorry state they are ever since Dragon Code...and the sorry state of the reward system (Isk only now?), offer system (higher LP offers not even coming close to 1000 ISK/LP payout, lack of non-implant offers) ever since I play ;)
It'd be really gorgeous if someone from CCP (possibly a Dev working on content?) could give an answer to this post...
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Sen Goku
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.01.25 02:10:00 -
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Yep, I with you on this. Bring em back I say.
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Lasus
Olive Laboratories
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Posted - 2007.01.25 02:35:00 -
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I miss not getting cattle. I will soon run out of hamburger. 
Pain n An unpleasant feeling or sensation usually caused by the good fortune of another |
Spenz
Gallente
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.25 02:49:00 -
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Performance....
RMR they ****ed with drones for 'performance'. What happens? Decreased fun, increased lag (what? INCREASED?).
Same with Kali. Remove a bunch of stuff for 'performance'. Lag increases even more.
Do they try to remove the millions of abandoned secure cans? Nope. What about macros? Nope. They just keep breaking stuff. If there were actually performance increases then I would agree. Until then, quick breaking stuff CCP.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.26 01:37:00 -
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Just a reminder that I still would like an answer to this post...why have the rewards been switched to isk only? Why have the important mission rewards been tuned down so much, why do we still not have any new courier missions, when is the LP offers system going to be changed...and new...why does declining more than one mission now also deduct FACTION standing?
I hope to get some answers sometime...still hoping 
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.26 01:49:00 -
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I did some Courier Missions with an alt and have to say they are utterly useless regardless of whether you get ISK or items:
About 50 LP and 100k ISK for level 3 ones
About 200 LP and 200k ISK for level 4 ones
Plus there's about four different ones that are repeated all over. Yay, another arms cache (2m3) to 'haul' as a level 4 mission. Yay, more Genetically Enhanced Cattle (800m3) to 'haul' as level 4 again.
I thought I could put my freighter to some good use on those :s
Now recruiting!
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Alaric Rurk
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Posted - 2007.01.26 02:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Siri Blue
Just a reminder that I still would like an answer to this post...why have the rewards been switched to isk only? Why have the important mission rewards been tuned down so much, why do we still not have any new courier missions, when is the LP offers system going to be changed...and new...why does declining more than one mission now also deduct FACTION standing?
I hope to get some answers sometime...still hoping
When you put it this way, it really does sound like CCP is just trying to make mission running as boring as possible.
Ulterior motive, maybe?
I doubt it. I think it's more likely a case of "grand vision, no time". They have a plan to make mission running into something wonderful, but other things are occuping their time, and half-measures won't do.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.26 02:30:00 -
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Well, that may be the case...but...agent missions is the most important PvE feature in game in my humble opinion, escpecially cause the first contact of new players is with mission agents (tutorial missions). So many will stick to doing agent missions (as I did).
So a good collection of missions, a good reward system and anything else surrounding missions must be a top priority for the PvE department of CCP.
Otherwise new players playing experiences (the PvE part again) will soon drop down to being bored.
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Forum Troll
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Posted - 2007.01.26 03:50:00 -
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As a newer player I was quite suprised at how under developed the mission system is. There are like 10 missions and they repeat over and over and over again. I can't imagine it would take too long to add another 100 missions of different types to each of the main mission types so at least you have a somewhat limited variety.
That said, I couldn't stand doing missions after about a week and left Empire never to return. Enjoying PvP, Ratting, and limited Mining in 0.0. Making about 500 million a week as well.
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boogaboob
Caldari
BIG Advanced Assault
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.26 04:33:00 -
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Nonsense. I did a bit of mission running this month, and there were several instances where I did NOT recieve isk.
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I received holoreels! Whoopie!
Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
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Hasak Rain
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Posted - 2007.01.26 04:41:00 -
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Missions are way underdeveloped. It is like they have one guy in charge of working on missions who also happens to be the CCP janitor.
I seriously believe CCP would rather Empire players mine over mission running because it contributes more to the game economy. Therefore, Missions take a backseat to everything else. They got their wish as far as I am concerned. I trained up Barges and make pretty good isk in the roids. Nope it isn't exciting but it is steady and judging from ive read in this thread, it pays a ton more than what mission runners make even on the lvl 3's.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.26 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: boogaboob
Nonsense. I did a bit of mission running this month, and there were several instances where I did NOT recieve isk.
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I received holoreels! Whoopie!
COURIER missions? Not read well, eh? :P
Now recruiting!
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Blue
now its all boring isk
Feel free to send me your unwanted "boring isk". 
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in? |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Performance....
RMR they ****ed with drones for 'performance'. What happens? Decreased fun, increased lag (what? INCREASED?).
Same with Kali. Remove a bunch of stuff for 'performance'. Lag increases even more.
Do they try to remove the millions of abandoned secure cans? Nope. What about macros? Nope. They just keep breaking stuff. If there were actually performance increases then I would agree. Until then, quick breaking stuff CCP.
It always annoys me seeing comments like that (in-game and out of game). Just because things get worse doesn't mean it was caused by the fix. Life isn't simple and life isn't easy.
It's entirely possible that things would have been a helluva lot worse without the fix.
Put in context we might have more lag now but because of the drone changes it isn't as bad as it could have been.
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Iyumi
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:46:00 -
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I have been missioning since the birth of my character and its a bit of a mixed feeling. I find that once you have done enough missions and weeded out which are worth the time and effort you get stuck doing same missions over and over.
How? Basically find 3-4 agents of whatever level you want to work for and keep rotating between them. When a mission comes up which you know takes far too long to do and rewards very little you decline and keep doing this to get those juicy missions which actually have fantastic rewards for the effort required to do them.
Although some missions are 'just right' I do agree that a lot of other missions need some loving. Whether it be to have better rewards or just have their difficulty dumbed down a bit. Any smart pilot wouldn't bother spending 2 hours doing a mission for a bit of isk when you can do another in less than half an hour and receive a +3 implant that sells for a lot more.
At the moment I'm enjoying missioning but that is only because I'm cherry picking the sweet ones that have implants and skillbook drops while declining the isk only reward ones. Would be nice to have a bit of variety, but hopefully something is in the works to improve this current state of missions...
P.S. When you decline a mission that you're on you mentioned you lose FACTION as well. Does your faction rating improve with the enemies of the one you just lost standing from when that happens? If so it may be a good way to get in the good books again with other factions.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.26 12:00:00 -
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aha... so getting fertilizer/cattle/arms/tier1frigs/ammo/anything-not-exactly-worth-a-penny was more exciting than getting extra money? ooouhhh... keeeaayy
i just know this from fertilizer in the rens-area, but apart from supporting freighter pilots who brought that stuff to seomwhere in sinq (i believe), there was no point in these except to clog up your assets.
yes, just extra money does not produce some "woha!" response. however, nor does your 30000th fertilizer bonus.
how about the bonus came in extra LP? and how about LP were collectable inside an NPC corp?
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.26 12:08:00 -
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I don't say that all these trade goods rewards were phantastic...but if you knew to what corp to go you could get nice stuff like robotics, RAMs and Databases, etc...
I liked it a lot when once in a while I got stuff worth double of what an isk reward now is...and all the other stuff would sell eventually to some trader for a half-decent price. You did screw traders too a bit with this change
Nevertheless, it doesn't have to be trade goods...but giving love to missions in general (and couriers especially), rewards and agent offers would be VERY welcome...
Also a comment from some dev in the CCP cellar...
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Kazah'dur Vorlonis
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Posted - 2007.01.26 12:52:00 -
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Yea, agree, only ISK rewards are boring, even sometimes i get only ISK from storyline missions 
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Jason Kildaro
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
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Posted - 2007.01.26 13:45:00 -
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It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way. You may want to find a good trade route and sell of your reward but others did not want to go through this effort.
As far as the change screwing over traders? I think they are just fine without the below par trade goods that agents used to offer.
Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. Itr was simply to easy to make ISK without player interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently made statements that the goal was to make this a world were almost everything was to be player controlled or driven. They have never given that much attention to the mission side of the house.
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Belisaurius
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Posted - 2007.01.26 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Kildaro
It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way.
Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently
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Belisaurius
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Posted - 2007.01.26 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Belisaurius
Originally by: Jason Kildaro
It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way.
Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently
Is there any link you can post to this debate? I certainly would like to backtrack and see when and where CCP notified us of this nerf.
I certainly miss the variety in time bonus mission rewards. The RAMs and the science skillbooks from level 4 missions were really useful and did add a little variety.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.27 11:27:00 -
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Just a reminder that I'd LOVE to get an answer from some dev to this post and especially this:
Originally by: Siri Blue
Well, that may be the case...but...agent missions is the most important PvE feature in game in my humble opinion, escpecially cause the first contact of new players is with mission agents (tutorial missions). So many will stick to doing agent missions (as I did).
So a good collection of missions, a good reward system and anything else surrounding missions must be a top priority for the PvE department of CCP.
Otherwise new players playing experiences (the PvE part again) will soon drop down to being bored.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2007.01.27 12:53:00 -
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The lv4 storyline agent consistently gives out +4 implants as primiary reward, but then again she's in 0.0
well, either the lv4 or +40% standing increase missions, which atm i would prefer so i can get +8 personal standing with empire factions.
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Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.27 13:46:00 -
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The complete removal of item rewards from regular missions ( note, note story as some bloke mentioned earlyer ) is total crap. They removed item rewards COMPLETELY!
Let's take a step back and look at the whole problem. Isk farmers did not like the fact that missions gave cows or trash or other items that could not be reprocessed so they **tched on the forums to remove ALL THE FRICKING ITEM REWARDS including implants from implant corps and such.
CCP, what's next? Rats dropping isk only? Player wrecks dropping isk only? Asteroids being mined for isk, not ore, directly?
When i started this game one year ago i quickly dumped it because of warp to 15 km. But i kept an eye out for it, and when Kali started i picked it up again. I remember when there where -some- mission rewards ( missions being the first element eve introduces you to, stuff like research and pirating being completely ignored ) gave items worth 4 , 10 , or 20 times the total mission isk gain while most gave stuff of little use.
Tell me dear isk farmer, you can't trash the stuff worth crap and only sell/valorificate the rare stuff missions might have given? What's the point of NPC corporations now?
After 2000 or so missions and no item rewards yet i find missions to be crap when it comes to excitement.
Eve is becoming more retarded by the day and players are pushing the devs into making it so, a pitty.
I tried to look too far ahead
And saw the road go to my past instead |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.27 16:05:00 -
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Having several hundred frigates in 2-3 different hangars, the change really doesn't bother me too much...
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.27 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Having several hundred frigates in 2-3 different hangars, the change really doesn't bother me too much...
Select all, right click, reprocess...
No need to spoil the game for others because you are lazy.
I tried to look too far ahead
And saw the road go to my past instead |
Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.28 04:28:00 -
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/me pokes Zrakon and Kieron with a bunch of pink fluffy pillows...
Ignoring me is not nice   
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.28 14:27:00 -
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I tend to agree.
Even though things like "Frozen Plant Seeds" and "Silicate Glass" were often unwanted, they forced players to diversify. I doubt the total volume of these goods spawned from missions, was enough to ruin the market.
But now, ISK only rewards means that people can just plug away to their 'end game', getting billions of ISK and buying their CNR. No branching out, no need to think about anything other than making the most ISK.
This combined with people farming missions is pretty crap.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Maj Woodcock
Minmatar
United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.01.28 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Blue
/me pokes Zrakon and Kieron with a bunch of pink fluffy pillows...
Ignoring me is not nice
Don't think they will respond to you Siri. We are still waiting for kieron to tell us what happen to the promised presents. They just don't answer hopeing we get tried of waiting.
On this subject I miss the ships i was getiing from my agents. I was hoping that as I moved up I migth get a nice crusier. Guess not now.
PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT |
Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.01.28 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr
I miss the non-isk rewards, although I would like to see a better formula for their distrubution.
For instance, BPC copies of Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships.
I'd also like to see BPC copies of faction items.
I also want a pony.
OH PONY!!!!
I would be content with mins!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618 |
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