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Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:14:00 - [1] ISK only now? I just came back from a few months break of playing Eve cause my courier missions got completely screwed with the dragon Code...and hoped by now you would have made some minour improvements at least... Instead I have to learn that you removed all goods from mission rewards and made it all pure boring isk rewards. I REALLY did NOT know courier missions could get ANY MORE boring than they were before...You really made it there! P.S.: I don't care for PvP, yes I do kill missions as well and I just like doing courier missions inbetween while cleaning the flat, chatting or something...
Viliny	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:16:00 - [2] Storyline missions still provide goods as rewards?
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:30:00 - [3] I miss the non-cash rewards as well. Storylines still give implants and such, but even those were given more isk only rewards as well.
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:18:00 - [4] Edited by: Trotski II on 22/01/2007 08:15:51 Nevermind.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:26:00 - [5] I have to agree. Also LP offers are long past the stage where they need looking at. Interesting stuff please, not the same old **** ad infinitum!
Majaraw Awalabas Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:32:00 - [6] My hangars were overflowing with Polytextiles and Dairy Products so I for one am content.
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:42:00 - [7] From the old mission rewards, I have the biggest swimming pool ever - a freight container full of water. I'm glad they dump this rewards. But the offers definately need being look at. Then again, it seems they are doing just that. I got a level 4 courier storyline yesterday, and I got 10 mil reward + 5 mil bonus . Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I thought there would be american isk farmers over on eve china to be honest
Shao Daar United Alliance Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:45:00 - [8] Yey... I just loved it when I got Civilian Miner Is as a reward (or civ mining drones), or water, or silicon. Completely worthless... Sorry, coming from someone who uses missions to fuel his other activities (PvP, skillbooks -> better weapons) I was ****ed when I got something I couldn't use or something worthless. If they want to put in some items as rewards, make them worth it, not 50 Miner Is FFS.
Flitz Farseeker Gallente Eve guardians	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:49:00 - [9] I think there should be item rewards, even if only as a bonus. Of course, it does need to be stuff that you can sell off or at least melt down for minerals.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:52:00 - [10] Thanks to missions I have a lifetime supply of small secure cans.

Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:02:00 - [11] I miss the non-isk rewards, although I would like to see a better formula for their distrubution. For instance, BPC copies of Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships. I'd also like to see BPC copies of faction items. I also want a pony.
Argus Atredies	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:09:00 - [12] I liked the item rewards, it made missions more interesting and actually gave some variety depending on what corporations you ran missions for. Cutting out these rewards cut out part of the economy for the small/individual player which I see as a loss. Sure, I wasn't entirely pleased when I got 200 Civilian Armor Repairers but you can reprocess things for a reason.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Solid Industries Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:40:00 - [13] Well.. Small Arms ftl, but basically, yes, I miss the item rewards. Made the NPC corps different and interesting. Then again, the whole mission system could use an overhaul. Less time for bonus (to make it a real bonus), less incentive to farm missions, team missions and rewards, etc. ________________________ - Posting on forums can be more arduous than mowing your lawn with nail scissors -
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:12:00 - [14] Is there an explanation somewhere why these rewards have been removed (and why the courier missions haven't been overhauled as promised a few months ago)?
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Siri Blue Is there an explanation somewhere why these rewards have been removed? Most people don't need a hangar full of garbage? Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
emepror Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:17:00 - [16] can i borrow that frieght container swimming pool? i need it for a party
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:22:00 - [17] It's not garbage, it's stuff you have to think about to sell. Your water is worth a lot in some places, you just had to put forth the effort to bring it there to sell it. Other items were useful in agent offers. Those cans you have an endless supply of refine pretty well. Heck, even the 46 Small Armor Repairer modules I got once was well worth it. None of the the stuff was "junk", it just wasn't mindless-grindable-rclick-sell type reward people apparently wanted, so now we all get ISK. Though I'm sure it's probably something to do with database usage. A shame really. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:31:00 - [18] No, I literally meant garbage. I don't know how many times I got garbage as a mission reward :( Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Sumayyah Minmatar Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Siri Blue Is there an explanation somewhere why these rewards have been removed (and why the courier missions haven't been overhauled as promised a few months ago)? Right before they made these changes if you looked at the mission forums people where complaining about the item rewards and how they sucked. Now they are gone people are complaining again . I never said anything. I didn't mind either way it was all a bonuse to me Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact Jet Collins in game.(Recruitment Manager)
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:34:00 - [20] Edited by: Siri Blue on 22/01/2007 16:34:06 Even garbage could be sold to The Quafe Company so you got your isk in the end... Also...many items could be used in other courier missions but since the devs screwed up all the courier missions with the dragon code and made em all with unique items now...the trade good rewards actually are pretty useless unless you sell them, still it had a nice touch, now its all boring isk

Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.22 16:54:00 - [21] Does anyone else miss the T2 component agent rewards? --------
Caledric Amarr SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:13:00 - [22] I totally agree! My supply of marines, exotic dancers, and civilian mining lasers is starting to dwindle! Give me more useless crap plz!
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.22 17:14:00 - [23] *recalls the half a million thorn rocket rewards I used to get.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:35:00 - [24] Here Here! Agreed - Making ISK only really takes away for the only diversity we had with missions to begin with. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Major Stormer *recalls the half a million thorn rocket rewards I used to get. Better than the 150k Iron M I got once. Does anyone actually use iron ammo? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Great site:National Nutrition (UK only)
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic No, I literally meant garbage. I don't know how many times I got garbage as a mission reward :( Please resize your signature picture to be no more than 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes. - Devil ([email protected])
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:16:00 - [27] Only thing mroe carebear than mining, is courier missions. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Only thing mroe carebear than mining, is courier missions. Might be, but mining hasn't been screwed with and made worse and worse over time...courier missions have been pummeled ever since I can remember (kill missions to an extend too btw)
Annya Avishnaya Sadist Faction	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Only thing mroe carebear than mining, is courier missions. Know what's more carebear than mining or courier missions? Posting snide comments on the forums that have no constructive use whatsoever On topic, I'd like to see some diversity in mission rewards too, and in missions in general. It's kind of frustrating to cycle through the same four or five missions over and over and over.(cue more snide carebear comments ) I can't wait to see the changes to missions that were talked about in one of the recent dev blogs. --------
Joe Tradez	Posted - 2007.01.22 23:56:00 - [30] Performance, most interesting fluff they remove is for this simple reason, less objects to track in your hangar.

Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:11:00 - [31] I am still humbly awaiting an answer to why missions (especially courier) are still in the sorry state they are ever since Dragon Code...and the sorry state of the reward system (Isk only now?), offer system (higher LP offers not even coming close to 1000 ISK/LP payout, lack of non-implant offers) ever since I play ;) It'd be really gorgeous if someone from CCP (possibly a Dev working on content?) could give an answer to this post...
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:10:00 - [32] Yep, I with you on this. Bring em back I say.
Lasus Olive Laboratories	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:35:00 - [33] I miss not getting cattle. I will soon run out of hamburger. Pain n An unpleasant feeling or sensation usually caused by the good fortune of another
Spenz Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:49:00 - [34] Performance.... RMR they ****ed with drones for 'performance'. What happens? Decreased fun, increased lag (what? INCREASED?). Same with Kali. Remove a bunch of stuff for 'performance'. Lag increases even more. Do they try to remove the millions of abandoned secure cans? Nope. What about macros? Nope. They just keep breaking stuff. If there were actually performance increases then I would agree. Until then, quick breaking stuff CCP.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.26 01:37:00 - [35] Just a reminder that I still would like an answer to this post...why have the rewards been switched to isk only? Why have the important mission rewards been tuned down so much, why do we still not have any new courier missions, when is the LP offers system going to be changed...and new...why does declining more than one mission now also deduct FACTION standing? I hope to get some answers sometime...still hoping
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.26 01:49:00 - [36] I did some Courier Missions with an alt and have to say they are utterly useless regardless of whether you get ISK or items: About 50 LP and 100k ISK for level 3 ones About 200 LP and 200k ISK for level 4 ones Plus there's about four different ones that are repeated all over. Yay, another arms cache (2m3) to 'haul' as a level 4 mission. Yay, more Genetically Enhanced Cattle (800m3) to 'haul' as level 4 again. I thought I could put my freighter to some good use on those :s Now recruiting!
Alaric Rurk	Posted - 2007.01.26 02:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Siri Blue Just a reminder that I still would like an answer to this post...why have the rewards been switched to isk only? Why have the important mission rewards been tuned down so much, why do we still not have any new courier missions, when is the LP offers system going to be changed...and new...why does declining more than one mission now also deduct FACTION standing? I hope to get some answers sometime...still hoping When you put it this way, it really does sound like CCP is just trying to make mission running as boring as possible. Ulterior motive, maybe? I doubt it. I think it's more likely a case of "grand vision, no time". They have a plan to make mission running into something wonderful, but other things are occuping their time, and half-measures won't do. Then when some problem crops up, they just nix or nerf it in anticipation of the later, all-encompassing feature.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.26 02:30:00 - [38] Well, that may be the case...but...agent missions is the most important PvE feature in game in my humble opinion, escpecially cause the first contact of new players is with mission agents (tutorial missions). So many will stick to doing agent missions (as I did). So a good collection of missions, a good reward system and anything else surrounding missions must be a top priority for the PvE department of CCP. Otherwise new players playing experiences (the PvE part again) will soon drop down to being bored.
Forum Troll	Posted - 2007.01.26 03:50:00 - [39] As a newer player I was quite suprised at how under developed the mission system is. There are like 10 missions and they repeat over and over and over again. I can't imagine it would take too long to add another 100 missions of different types to each of the main mission types so at least you have a somewhat limited variety. That said, I couldn't stand doing missions after about a week and left Empire never to return. Enjoying PvP, Ratting, and limited Mining in 0.0. Making about 500 million a week as well.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.26 04:33:00 - [40] Nonsense. I did a bit of mission running this month, and there were several instances where I did NOT recieve isk. ... I received holoreels! Whoopie! Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...

Hasak Rain	Posted - 2007.01.26 04:41:00 - [41] Missions are way underdeveloped. It is like they have one guy in charge of working on missions who also happens to be the CCP janitor. I seriously believe CCP would rather Empire players mine over mission running because it contributes more to the game economy. Therefore, Missions take a backseat to everything else. They got their wish as far as I am concerned. I trained up Barges and make pretty good isk in the roids. Nope it isn't exciting but it is steady and judging from ive read in this thread, it pays a ton more than what mission runners make even on the lvl 3's.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:14:00 - [42] Originally by: boogaboob Nonsense. I did a bit of mission running this month, and there were several instances where I did NOT recieve isk. ... I received holoreels! Whoopie! COURIER missions? Not read well, eh? :P Now recruiting!
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Siri Blue now its all boring isk Feel free to send me your unwanted "boring isk". Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Spenz Performance.... RMR they **ed with drones for 'performance'. What happens? Decreased fun, increased lag (what? INCREASED?). Same with Kali. Remove a bunch of stuff for 'performance'. Lag increases even more. Do they try to remove the millions of abandoned secure cans? Nope. What about macros? Nope. They just keep breaking stuff. If there were actually performance increases then I would agree. Until then, quick breaking stuff CCP. It always annoys me seeing comments like that (in-game and out of game). Just because things get worse doesn't mean it was caused by the fix. Life isn't simple and life isn't easy. It's entirely possible that things would have been a helluva lot worse without the fix. Put in context we might have more lag now but because of the drone changes it isn't as bad as it could have been. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.**
Iyumi	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:46:00 - [45] I have been missioning since the birth of my character and its a bit of a mixed feeling. I find that once you have done enough missions and weeded out which are worth the time and effort you get stuck doing same missions over and over. How? Basically find 3-4 agents of whatever level you want to work for and keep rotating between them. When a mission comes up which you know takes far too long to do and rewards very little you decline and keep doing this to get those juicy missions which actually have fantastic rewards for the effort required to do them. Although some missions are 'just right' I do agree that a lot of other missions need some loving. Whether it be to have better rewards or just have their difficulty dumbed down a bit. Any smart pilot wouldn't bother spending 2 hours doing a mission for a bit of isk when you can do another in less than half an hour and receive a +3 implant that sells for a lot more. At the moment I'm enjoying missioning but that is only because I'm cherry picking the sweet ones that have implants and skillbook drops while declining the isk only reward ones. Would be nice to have a bit of variety, but hopefully something is in the works to improve this current state of missions... P.S. When you decline a mission that you're on you mentioned you lose FACTION as well. Does your faction rating improve with the enemies of the one you just lost standing from when that happens? If so it may be a good way to get in the good books again with other factions.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:00:00 - [46] aha... so getting fertilizer/cattle/arms/tier1frigs/ammo/anything-not-exactly-worth-a-penny was more exciting than getting extra money? ooouhhh... keeeaayy i just know this from fertilizer in the rens-area, but apart from supporting freighter pilots who brought that stuff to seomwhere in sinq (i believe), there was no point in these except to clog up your assets. yes, just extra money does not produce some "woha!" response. however, nor does your 30000th fertilizer bonus. how about the bonus came in extra LP? and how about LP were collectable inside an NPC corp?
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:08:00 - [47] I don't say that all these trade goods rewards were phantastic...but if you knew to what corp to go you could get nice stuff like robotics, RAMs and Databases, etc... I liked it a lot when once in a while I got stuff worth double of what an isk reward now is...and all the other stuff would sell eventually to some trader for a half-decent price. You did screw traders too a bit with this change Nevertheless, it doesn't have to be trade goods...but giving love to missions in general (and couriers especially), rewards and agent offers would be VERY welcome... Also a comment from some dev in the CCP cellar...
Kazah'dur Vorlonis	Posted - 2007.01.26 12:52:00 - [48] Yea, agree, only ISK rewards are boring, even sometimes i get only ISK from storyline missions
Jason Kildaro Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:45:00 - [49] It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way. You may want to find a good trade route and sell of your reward but others did not want to go through this effort. As far as the change screwing over traders? I think they are just fine without the below par trade goods that agents used to offer. Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. Itr was simply to easy to make ISK without player interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently made statements that the goal was to make this a world were almost everything was to be player controlled or driven. They have never given that much attention to the mission side of the house.
Belisaurius	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Jason Kildaro It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way. Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently

Belisaurius	Posted - 2007.01.26 14:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Belisaurius Originally by: Jason Kildaro It was stated in the misssion forum that all rewards were changed to ISK because of the general concensus of the customers. So we asked for it this way. Reward payout was reduced and that change was also documented in the mission runners forum. interaction. So they reduced it. CCP has frequently Is there any link you can post to this debate? I certainly would like to backtrack and see when and where CCP notified us of this nerf. I certainly miss the variety in time bonus mission rewards. The RAMs and the science skillbooks from level 4 missions were really useful and did add a little variety.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.27 11:27:00 - [52] Just a reminder that I'd LOVE to get an answer from some dev to this post and especially this: Originally by: Siri Blue Well, that may be the case...but...agent missions is the most important PvE feature in game in my humble opinion, escpecially cause the first contact of new players is with mission agents (tutorial missions). So many will stick to doing agent missions (as I did). So a good collection of missions, a good reward system and anything else surrounding missions must be a top priority for the PvE department of CCP. Otherwise new players playing experiences (the PvE part again) will soon drop down to being bored.
EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2007.01.27 12:53:00 - [53] The lv4 storyline agent consistently gives out +4 implants as primiary reward, but then again she's in 0.0 well, either the lv4 or +40% standing increase missions, which atm i would prefer so i can get +8 personal standing with empire factions.
Deus Ex'Machina Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.27 13:46:00 - [54] The complete removal of item rewards from regular missions ( note, note story as some bloke mentioned earlyer ) is total crap. They removed item rewards COMPLETELY! Let's take a step back and look at the whole problem. Isk farmers did not like the fact that missions gave cows or trash or other items that could not be reprocessed so they tched on the forums to remove ALL THE FRICKING ITEM REWARDS** including implants from implant corps and such. CCP, what's next? Rats dropping isk only? Player wrecks dropping isk only? Asteroids being mined for isk, not ore, directly? When i started this game one year ago i quickly dumped it because of warp to 15 km. But i kept an eye out for it, and when Kali started i picked it up again. I remember when there where -some- mission rewards ( missions being the first element eve introduces you to, stuff like research and pirating being completely ignored ) gave items worth 4 , 10 , or 20 times the total mission isk gain while most gave stuff of little use. Tell me dear isk farmer, you can't trash the stuff worth crap and only sell/valorificate the rare stuff missions might have given? What's the point of NPC corporations now? After 2000 or so missions and no item rewards yet i find missions to be crap when it comes to excitement. Eve is becoming more retarded by the day and players are pushing the devs into making it so, a pitty. I tried to look too far ahead And saw the road go to my past instead
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.27 16:05:00 - [55] Having several hundred frigates in 2-3 different hangars, the change really doesn't bother me too much... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Deus Ex'Machina Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.27 16:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Having several hundred frigates in 2-3 different hangars, the change really doesn't bother me too much... Select all, right click, reprocess... No need to spoil the game for others because you are lazy. I tried to look too far ahead And saw the road go to my past instead
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.28 04:28:00 - [57] /me pokes Zrakon and Kieron with a bunch of pink fluffy pillows... Ignoring me is not nice
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.28 14:27:00 - [58] I tend to agree. Even though things like "Frozen Plant Seeds" and "Silicate Glass" were often unwanted, they forced players to diversify. I doubt the total volume of these goods spawned from missions, was enough to ruin the market. But now, ISK only rewards means that people can just plug away to their 'end game', getting billions of ISK and buying their CNR. No branching out, no need to think about anything other than making the most ISK. This combined with people farming missions is pretty crap. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Maj Woodcock Minmatar United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Siri Blue /me pokes Zrakon and Kieron with a bunch of pink fluffy pillows... Ignoring me is not nice Don't think they will respond to you Siri. We are still waiting for kieron to tell us what happen to the promised presents. They just don't answer hopeing we get tried of waiting. On this subject I miss the ships i was getiing from my agents. I was hoping that as I moved up I migth get a nice crusier. Guess not now. PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.01.28 18:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Gungankllr I miss the non-isk rewards, although I would like to see a better formula for their distrubution. For instance, BPC copies of Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships. I'd also like to see BPC copies of faction items. I also want a pony. OH PONY!!!! I would be content with mins! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618

Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.29 06:06:00 - [61] I agree, instead of adding a few interesting things CCP went the easy way and just removed everything. That kind of course is bad for the game... Rather give your features some more loving instead of just dumping them
Frug SYOID Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.29 06:15:00 - [62] Signed. I never saw any explanation as to why it was removed. It makes no sense. I loved getting weird and random trade goods that I then had to figure out what to do with. I suspect it was done by CCP to remove clutter. ie. too many noob people with too much junk all over the universe taking up too much space. If that's the case, I wouldn't expect an answer Siri. But it's a shame. :( - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
David Caldera Gallente Zalfir Industries	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:04:00 - [63] /signed Junk was always more fun than the ISK I got from missions. It had something nice about it for some reason. David Caldera
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.29 12:16:00 - [64] CCP made em boring thats why they created exploration
Symeonis Porphory Gallente Philosophi Lapis	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:53:00 - [65] Signed. I wouldn't mind if they did not bring back the more impossible rewards (Station Containers) that were far too much trouble to transport to a place where you could sell them.
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:08:00 - [66] Edited by: Snarls McGee on 29/01/2007 15:05:17 Originally by: Roemy Schneider aha... so getting fertilizer/cattle/arms/tier1frigs/ammo/anything-not-exactly-worth-a-penny was more exciting than getting extra money? ooouhhh... keeeaayy You make it sound like all non-ISK rewards were crap. I, for one, liked getting an extra 20k missles that I used or the dozen frigates that I could sell, give to new corpmates, fit for travel, etc. At the very least I'd really like to see the faction mods be brought back in (Fed Navy Co-Processor, etc). When my friends and I started playing 8-9 months ago it was a blast to see what bonus item(s) we'd get each mission. Yeah, some were near useless but quite a few were very helpful. It is the same thing with LP offers: When we started I'd get offers for T1 and T2 ships, implants, junk, contraband offers, etc. Then for the longest time we ONLY got silly offers for implants (8 +1 Empathy implants for 20,000 LP, etc). Now its nothing but implants and crap (I don't konw how many times I've gotten offers for things like 100 Science Grads, 200 Janitors, 55 Exotic Dancers, 45 Marines and 250 Tourists for like 30,000 LP). ---------- We've all heard that a million monkeys typing will eventually create something intelligent. Thanks to message forums we know that isn't true.
Chrysos Colossus Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:27:00 - [67] /signed I loved getting rewards like RAM which I could reprocess down to some much needed nocxium. Any unwanted trade goods I just dumped into a station container until I had enough to make it worthwhile to transport somewhere to sell or just set up a sell order. My lvl 4 courier missions do now give me easily 500,000 isk (reward+bonus) per mission, even for 2 jumps in a shuttle. So I suppose I can just use the isk to buy nocxium off the market but as stated above it does remove some of the diversity. I also get +4 implants offered in empire on a regular basis. Missions as quests in other games can be inherently boring but I do think some of them are quite well written. That doesn't make flying 2 jumps to pick up a cow any more interesting but at least some effort was put into it. Recruitment
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair	Posted - 2007.01.29 16:36:00 - [68] lol.. I had forgotten about the non-isk rewards. I also had a station can of trade items and almost 100k of actual "garbage" sitting at my old base in Kub. I ended up just trashing the items (because no one was buying at that time)and recycling the non-trade stuff. Missions do need to be shown some love by CCP, items like BPCs and skill books need to be added as rewards. Aslo CCP you need to focus on empire now, you have focused too much on 0.0 in the last few years and forgot a major part of the EVE players (in empire). Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:20:00 - [69] Thanks for all the comments and productive additions so far. I just wish we could get a dev out of his cave and adding to this thread...
BeniahTheSilent Caldari A.W.M	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:47:00 - [70] I'm not entirely sure what devs or other people think about this idea, but why not have a choice or options with bonus rewards? Do you want pure ISK? Perhaps you want a few NPC goods and an exotic dancer? Maybe what motivates you is a few extra LP so that you can get that fancy offer you've been looking at. Maybe, just maybe, you're a loyalist to the company and you would rather get better standings with that company. In either case, try talking to you agent. Don't know Dev thoughts on this, but perhaps even making more use of the negotiations skill could give you more choices or a more flexible agent. Just a thought as all of this could reflect the bartering that goes on between people to get them to accept contracts or do personal favours.

Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:49:00 - [71] I have to say, brilliant idea...
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:58:00 - [72] Siri, please, don't open very similar threads in different forums. The mods don't like that.
Hulemand Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:32:00 - [73] Pirate agents still comes up with offers requiring drugs - but they no longer give out drugs so it is hard to get now a days. - Hulemand
Jenny Starfighter Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:42:00 - [74] I have been a mission runner from the start, that is pretty much the only part of the game I have focused on. The reason I have done this is to have an income when I start PvP:ing. So I should be happy with the way things are you might think, but I liked the item offers, gave me some variation. I do agree that they might have needed an overhaul. In my opinion the item rewards should be tied to what kind of agent you have, so the army gives weapons and such, schools give skills and so on. It would fit the fluff and at least make it seem like it was not only about the ISK. I would also like the mission bonus to be harder to achieve, and change it to LP instead of ISK. And while I am rambling on, I would love to have my LP pooled by agent corp, something I have read might be implemented. And then this LP pool could be used to get "special" items, again depending on the agents corp, such as rare skills and named, T2 or even faction items, or to increase standing with that corp. Just my opinion in the matter.
Deez Nuttzy	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:44:00 - [75] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Thanks to missions I have a lifetime supply of small secure cans. you need to anchor them all in 1 gigantic sphere around a gate. literally a huge sphere so you can't just fly to the gate, you have to warp and get inside the can sphere to get out.
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:02:00 - [76] Originally by: Lord Frost Does this mean starbase charters are going to skyrocket? I thought they were given as bonuses... now they are only special mission rewards? I forgot about Starbase Charters.. The only way I've ever gotten them lately is to keep starting L1 agents and get about 200 LPs and wait a week until I get an agent offer.. For some reason I've never gotten a second offer from the same agent so I always have to use new agents, moving around all the time :( ---------- We've all heard that a million monkeys typing will eventually create something intelligent. Thanks to message forums we know that isn't true.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:05:00 - [77] Is it the topic of the thread that is so uninteresting to the devs or do they just love ignoring me? All I wish for is a litte statement about the issue(s)
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:31:00 - [78] the only thing bothering me is that the implant offers from storyline missions are gone. it gone so far that i let timeout the last 3 storyline missions (each hauling 40k cargo 8 jumps through lowsec and back! for yay 5mil isk!) this is just retarded, at least for everone allready having enough faction standing..
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:36:00 - [79] and besides.. doing missions is my main income. i dont have a industrial alt also i do not like ratting in 0.0 (this is soo ******* boring and even les isk except you can chain 20 tripple 1.8mil bs spawns in a true -1.0). so i hate the fact that i now AGAIN have to run more missions than bevore to finally get some isk to do something fun in this game (pvp, and dont tell me to earn isk with pvp, think i suck so much i have a 5:1 getting killed ratio:). if at least pve would not be that bad implemented, at least a little fun.. well then probably i'd even have fun doing a mission for 5mil. but right now pve goes downhill again. mroe grind for all of us yeah!
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:53:00 - [80] Those implant important missions are still there...they just added one courier important mission with crap rewards \o/ YAY a courier mission at last! Though hauling 40k m¦ for 5 mil seems crappy when there is a 1m¦ mission for a 40 mil implant as well

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:32:00 - [81] Originally by: Snarls McGee It is the same thing with LP offers: When we started I'd get offers for T1 and T2 ships, implants, junk, contraband offers, etc. Then for the longest time we ONLY got silly offers for implants (8 +1 Empathy implants for 20,000 LP, etc). Now its nothing but implants and crap (I don't konw how many times I've gotten offers for things like 100 Science Grads, 200 Janitors, 55 Exotic Dancers, 45 Marines and 250 Tourists for like 30,000 LP). From what corporation you get offers of science graduates? I would like to stock. Mayby someday they will return useful for R&D. The rest I can find in missions, but never Science Graduates.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:10:00 - [82] Why stock on something CCP removed with dragon Code without offering any replacements? They said it would be a brief disrupt until missions based on the new code could be introduced.... right...that was scheduled for...in a few months...after a lot of rabble rabble they put in the current couriers/R&D missions...basically one mission with 5 or 6 different texts and cargo types, thats it...and was supposed to be an intermediate solution... The intermediate now spans several months... And to the question "When will we finally get our promised diversified and maybe even fun missions?" You won't even get a comment
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.02.01 16:17:00 - [83] Edited by: Siri Blue on 01/02/2007 16:15:35 Hm...10 days and no comment from a dev yet... Dear grand devs of the gorgeous Eve universe...one tiny little comment on the state of development of missions and priority of same maybe pretty pretty please?
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:19:00 - [84] Originally by: Venkul Mul From what corporation you get offers of science graduates? I would like to stock. Mayby someday they will return useful for R&D. The rest I can find in missions, but never Science Graduates. From one of the 2 L3 agents at the Brutor Tribe station in Frarn (Minmatar space). ---------- We've all heard that a million monkeys typing will eventually create something intelligent. Thanks to message forums we know that isn't true.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.01 17:23:00 - [85] Ty Snarls
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.02.02 12:50:00 - [86] I posted some ideas in the Features and Ideas Discussion section, maybe those will get read and commented after all
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.02.05 04:04:00 - [87] Hm, I'm not really willing to give up this topic yet... I'd really appreciate a statement about this issue... I couldn't find anything in the "under development" thingy really...


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