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PoPa
Gallente
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:22:00 -
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Am I the only one... these guys are hauling back and forth constantly in the neighbouring systems.. from Loes, bottom station. There is a few highlevel courier agents there.. and once day I took my sniper there and killed like.. 20-30 haulers in like.. 15-30 minutes or so.. didnt even count.
These guys just haul from there and all the way to Murethand/Heydieles/Yvangier....
I'd like to get mobile warp disruptors working in low-sec please!
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Katrina Coreli
Soar Angelic
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:24:00 -
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Belive me, my home is in that area and it realy ****es me off too.
They make nice shooting practise though
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PoPa
Gallente
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:28:00 -
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To begin with I was naive enough to think that if you just killed enough of them, and killed them many times, that they'd actually stop... They dont tho! Because there's noone behind the computer to figure it out... lol.
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Ice Conch
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:33:00 -
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its good for stacking up points on a killboard, but crap loot
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Stakhanov
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.23 13:48:00 -
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What about organizing a week-long system lockdown , catching macro haulers 23/7 ? Their owners should get the message...
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.23 14:14:00 -
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We've killed countless numbers of them, but they just keep coming. I don't even bother posting the mails any more.
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Amael Galenus
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Posted - 2007.01.23 14:15:00 -
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Hear hear! The macroers have really grown out of control in the last few weeks allright but I think that petitioning them may be the only route to success- like others have said, blowing them up doesn't seem to have much impact! 
A week long lock down could be annoying for all concerned (those having to maintain the camp and everyone else trying to get through the region) and it may not actually get rid of the macroers at the end of it all (just remove quite a few of their ships).
That's just my concern as a resident in the region anyway. Kudos to the folks who set up the very effective gate camp in Oulletta last night by the way- ye looked to be doing an excellent job of killing of the macroers!
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PoPa
Gallente
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2007.01.23 14:22:00 -
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hehe.. how about a macro popping passive shield tanked battleship with a bunch of smartbombs launchers no :P
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Aceoil
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2007.01.23 17:51:00 -
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Interesting.... :D
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.23 18:06:00 -
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i haven't had any trouble with macro haulers but finding the complex next to my home system being used 23/7 by the same group of up to 5 ravens, 2 geddons,a domi and a scorp is a little annoying for someone who wants to run the thing. i've lost count of how many bs i've destroyed but they simply dock and get another. gets a little tiring after a while and u really need friends to pull it off when they're in force.
Me and some friends did get a congratulations from a gm who came into local to sort them out to find us massacring about 9 of their bs tho which was nice. still, the next day there they are with new one's
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.23 19:46:00 -
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Agreed, these guys are getting out of hand.
There's usually at least 4 in local at once in Ouelletta, all in bestowers. It's not like they attempt to hide their macro'ness, half the time they fly each others ships without renaming them.
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Sallous
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Posted - 2007.01.23 20:22:00 -
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I don't understand all the hate. They're not bothering anyone. They simply run courier missions. What's the big deal?
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Jarjar
exscape corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.23 20:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Sallous
I don't understand all the hate. They're not bothering anyone. They simply run courier missions. What's the big deal?
They break the EULA to make ISK. With no work. Without even being at their computers!
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Enders Vaal
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.23 22:01:00 -
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I love jumping into the system and seeing names such as "fkgdlf" and "reijf" and "asdjfan"
It just adds so much to my EVE experiance ^_^
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LongJohn Scr0tum
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Posted - 2007.01.23 23:07:00 -
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The thing that makes the least sense is there cargo , on the few occasions i have botherd to pop these guys they have been carrying things like "1 cache of pistols" "1 unit of geneticly modified cattle". Either
A: they are a distraction for another hauling opereration going on else where in placid region low sec
B: there just having (an expensive) laugh or
C: CCP puts them in just to give gate campers somthing to do!
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Krumpit
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Posted - 2007.01.23 23:18:00 -
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Join channel "macrointel" in game to vent spleen about farmers and post your mails here:
http://macrointel.eve-kb.org/
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Hiesi
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Posted - 2007.01.24 01:54:00 -
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Now that macrointel channel is a good idea. I've got an alt that is an ore thief/macro miner killer, I think I might be using that a little bit then.
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2007.01.24 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
We've killed countless numbers of them, but they just keep coming. I don't even bother posting the mails any more.
Perhaps you should keep posting, because frankly, the number of people destroying them that get ganked by you guys makes it look like you are actually protecting them.
Everybody know TURBY to be rather aggressive, but to know TURBY as Rice Farmer protectors would be worse.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.24 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: Damien Smith
We've killed countless numbers of them, but they just keep coming. I don't even bother posting the mails any more.
Perhaps you should keep posting, because frankly, the number of people destroying them that get ganked by you guys makes it look like you are actually protecting them.
Everybody know TURBY to be rather aggressive, but to know TURBY as Rice Farmer protectors would be worse.
I really don't think Turby are selective in their targets much less protecting macro'ers/farmers.
And altho it does make me laugh whenever in go into a low sec system with a 5/10 u can scan about 12 ravens all called dfhslgirhgrdmfg's raven, all 3 months old in a noob corp with no standings. but sometimes i would actually like to run the thing myself ya know.
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.01.24 10:46:00 -
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I think, CCP can counter macroers effectively, but by some reason they don't do it...
The first thing that comes in head: sometimes request to enter the graphical numbers while undocking. It would not bother much ordinary players, but would wipe all macroers in one shot.
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Lagerstars
Caldari
Brains For The Brainless Ltd
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Posted - 2007.01.24 10:57:00 -
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I should think the reason they do little to act on them is because of the numbers involved.
Think how many hundreds of accounts they pay for - i mean i have over 100 in my address book now for robbing and generally annoying and thats just across 4 or 5 systems - now put that in to entire regions!
Taking them out would harm there pockets too much
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
I think, CCP can counter macroers effectively, but by some reason they don't do it...
The first thing that comes in head: sometimes request to enter the graphical numbers while undocking. It would not bother much ordinary players, but would wipe all macroers in one shot.
Think about it for a minute. CCP is a business. their goal is to make money. secondary goal is to create a successful happy gaming community. not the other way round
DE
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PoPa
Gallente
The Renegade Order
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
I think, CCP can counter macroers effectively, but by some reason they don't do it...
The first thing that comes in head: sometimes request to enter the graphical numbers while undocking. It would not bother much ordinary players, but would wipe all macroers in one shot.
Think about it for a minute. CCP is a business. their goal is to make money. secondary goal is to create a successful happy gaming community. not the other way round
Thats actually completely true. This isnt that big an issue really.. it's just annoying as hell....
There are companies that no the other hand have shown unable to handle that balance.. and run the game to the ground. Just look at SWG...
DE
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:29:00 -
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They arent macros they are farmers.
I podkilled about 300 over them over a 2 week period. It's like fighting the incoming tide.
I petitioned them too bt CCP has done sweet **** all even though 70% of the poulation of that area has names like cdfgjha etc.
Oh, and for clarification I also submitted a bug report since they only run from there because there are 3/4 level 4 qual 20 agents that give courier missions that can for the most part be done in shuttles.
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.01.24 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 24/01/2007 11:35:03
Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 24/01/2007 11:34:19
Originally by: DarkElf
Think about it for a minute. CCP is a business. their goal is to make money. secondary goal is to create a successful happy gaming community. not the other way round
DE
CCP prohibits isk -> RL money conversion, because CCP lose money. Macroers are converting isk to RL money, it is obvious. I think CCP loses more from macroers than gains.
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Lagerstars
Caldari
Brains For The Brainless Ltd
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Posted - 2007.01.24 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 24/01/2007 11:35:03
Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 24/01/2007 11:34:19
Originally by: DarkElf
Think about it for a minute. CCP is a business. their goal is to make money. secondary goal is to create a successful happy gaming community. not the other way round
DE
CCP prohibits isk -> RL money conversion, because CCP lose money. Macroers are converting isk to RL money, it is obvious. I think CCP loses more from macroers than gains.
What you have put makes no sense - just because the macroers make money from selling ISK that doesnt cause CCP to lose any money does it - because they are still paying for accounts to make the ISK
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.01.24 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lagerstars
What you have put makes no sense - just because the macroers make money from selling ISK that doesnt cause CCP to lose any money does it - because they are still paying for accounts to make the ISK
Isks and other ingame stuff is a property of CCP. If someone sells CCP's property and gets money for it - he steals from CCP.
If you think that it is only bytes in computer - think about software piracy. Hope it helps to understand.
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.24 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Macroer pays 15$/month for account and gets (for example) 150$/month. It means that CCP loses 135$/month from that account. I do not know why it is unclear to you.
As much as I hate farmers, that statement makes no sense. CCP don't lose any money because they themselves aren't competing with them to sell isk for cash (excluding gtc's of course). The farmers are making money from CCP's property, and are paying CCP a tidy sum of cash for the privilege but the only ones losing out are the players themselves.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.24 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Macroer pays 15$/month for account and gets (for example) 150$/month. It means that CCP loses 135$/month from that account. I do not know why it is unclear to you.
As much as I hate farmers, that statement makes no sense. CCP don't lose any money because they themselves aren't competing with them to sell isk for cash (excluding gtc's of course). The farmers are making money from CCP's property, and are paying CCP a tidy sum of cash for the privilege but the only ones losing out are the players themselves.
Totally correct.
The previous poster is correct on the moral stance, yes they are stealing from ccp essentially but that does not mean that ccp are losing a penny because they themselves do not sell isk for RL cash (or as far as we know)
the bottom line is unless eve players cancel their subscriptions because of this issue then ccp as a company are better off letting them pay
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SleepingBuddah
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Posted - 2007.01.24 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
As much as I hate farmers, that statement makes no sense. CCP don't lose any money because they themselves aren't competing with them to sell isk for cash (excluding gtc's of course). The farmers are making money from CCP's property, and are paying CCP a tidy sum of cash for the privilege but the only ones losing out are the players themselves.
Ingame stuff has a potential real money value. Even if CCP does not sell it (officially). Farmers decrease potential value, but they convert it to some profit for CCP. But the conversion rate is very poor. CCP could make much more money from that.
Why CCP prohibits isk->RL $ conversion? Why they ban accounts of isk sellers? It would be more profitable to legalise isk sellers and take some commission from them.
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.24 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Originally by: Damien Smith
As much as I hate farmers, that statement makes no sense. CCP don't lose any money because they themselves aren't competing with them to sell isk for cash (excluding gtc's of course). The farmers are making money from CCP's property, and are paying CCP a tidy sum of cash for the privilege but the only ones losing out are the players themselves.
Ingame stuff has a potential real money value. Even if CCP does not sell it (officially). Farmers decrease potential value, but they convert it to some profit for CCP. But the conversion rate is very poor. CCP could make much more money from that.
Why CCP prohibits isk->RL $ conversion? Why they ban accounts of isk sellers? It would be more profitable to legalise isk sellers and take some commission from them.
because when you do that you completely destroy the entire concept of a mmo game. it is no longer down to success in game it's to do with how much rl cash u have. it destroys games and has done in the past with many games
the bottom line about this point is that ccp does not lose a single penny to them selling isk on ebay and they do make money from their monthly subscriptions. that can not be argued really.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:18:00 -
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i have seen the ones in yvan. but they are all in noob ships, once in a while a hauler, but nothing worth while in the loot.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
i have seen the ones in yvan. but they are all in noob ships, once in a while a hauler, but nothing worth while in the loot.
Quafe is always worthwile 
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
i have seen the ones in yvan. but they are all in noob ships, once in a while a hauler, but nothing worth while in the loot.
That's how they started off, noticing them in noob ships, then moved to Condors/Executioners/Atrons, now they've moved onto Badgers/Bestowers/Itties.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.24 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
Originally by: JoeT
i have seen the ones in yvan. but they are all in noob ships, once in a while a hauler, but nothing worth while in the loot.
That's how they started off, noticing them in noob ships, then moved to Condors/Executioners/Atrons, now they've moved onto Badgers/Bestowers/Itties.
They are like pokemon I wonder what their stage 3 evolution will be
Macro Players Collect Them ALL!
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KaptnSparrow
Caldari
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.01.24 18:35:00 -
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does nobody see's the bright side of this....
eve just got a new content!
we all remember the high sec npc convoys. Now we have lowsec player convoys. Just make agent npc stuff something worth and we can make isk of the farmers like its supposed todo.
otherwise just tax newbie corps higher after a while
1. Month = 10%
2. Month = 30%
3. Month = 50%
4. Month = 80%
5. Month = 100%
so that after 5 month people will move out into a real corp or won't make money running missions/ratting. They still can mine veldspar in highsec or gank people for the fun of it. And once they rejoin the noob corp they start at 100% automatically.
It think to fix the problem you need to fix the mechanics of the game, not ban the farmers. Cause they always will come back.
And for Christ sake, don't buy isk of eBay in the first place...
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Posted - 2007.01.25 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: SleepingBuddah
Macroer pays 15$/month for account and gets (for example) 150$/month. It means that CCP loses 135$/month from that account. I do not know why it is unclear to you.
As much as I hate farmers, that statement makes no sense. CCP don't lose any money because they themselves aren't competing with them to sell isk for cash (excluding gtc's of course). The farmers are making money from CCP's property, and are paying CCP a tidy sum of cash for the privilege but the only ones losing out are the players themselves.
Totally correct.
The previous poster is correct on the moral stance, yes they are stealing from ccp essentially but that does not mean that ccp are losing a penny because they themselves do not sell isk for RL cash (or as far as we know)
the bottom line is unless eve players cancel their subscriptions because of this issue then ccp as a company are better off letting them pay
DE
But CCP really is in the market, but only peripherally.
Their approval of GTC/isk trades equates to CCP selling isk. It doesn't matter if "it never occurred to them" when they first approved of it that was the equation going on. It doesn't matter if they're not selling the isk directly to the players like SOE was doing with microtransaction servers.
One player is buying a GTC with real money and then selling that card in-game for isk. He has gained isk for his real money, and he's gained it with CCP's approval. They are the only ones that profit in RL money in this scenario because the final owner of the GTC will no-doubt use it to extend his subscription, which leads to further gameplay. As long as SOMEONE in the chain is paying the subscription costs, they don't care.
But what if someone begins selling isk for cash? Well, then players don't have to sell GTC (which they bought from CCP) for isk, they can buy it at a better rate from the farmers, and since we've established that CCP is competing with the farmers for the sales of isk, that means CCP is losing sales to the farmers.
So blow away a farmer for CCP!!
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.01.25 10:25:00 -
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While it is nice and easy gate ganking the farmers, you seem to have noticed what a fruitless endeavour it is.
You are up against hundreds of paid accounts, so you'll get no help from CCP, and you'll get ganked by all the usual faces, and the additional people who are actually buying the isk.
For those who not outlaws, you are destroying your sec, and seemingly getting nowhere. To quote a very apt time honoured English phrase, "It's like trying to fight back the march of the Chinese Army". Each one you kill, seemingly ten take his place.
Here is something you may wish to consider to make the battle against them more efficient.
1. Learn the route they run time and after time.
2. Work for the same agent they do.
3. Thus finding out where the storyline mission springs from.
4. Camp the storyline base instead. No storyline, no Implant to sell on ebay. 15 missions wasted for the price of one.
Additionally, you may get lucky and take out an implant hauler, that's a lot of isk in your pocket. And I know you love isk.
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Amael Galenus
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Here is something you may wish to consider to make the battle against them more efficient.
1. Learn the route they run time and after time.
2. Work for the same agent they do.
3. Thus finding out where the storyline mission springs from.
4. Camp the storyline base instead. No storyline, no Implant to sell on ebay. 15 missions wasted for the price of one.
Additionally, you may get lucky and take out an implant hauler, that's a lot of isk in your pocket. And I know you love isk.
Genius! Just might give that a go.
I hate to have to ask the stupid question but why can't a GM swing by Loes for a couple of hours and see for themselves what's going on? I'm tempted to petition the mission farmers but it'd take me ages to get all of their names and then theres the two week waiting period etc. whereas if a GM reported it, it'd get greater priority...
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sliver 0xD
Infinite Style Incorporated
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:58:00 -
[40]
Originally by: KaptnSparrow
does nobody see's the bright side of this....
eve just got a new content!
we all remember the high sec npc convoys. Now we have lowsec player convoys. Just make agent npc stuff something worth and we can make isk of the farmers like its supposed todo.
otherwise just tax newbie corps higher after a while
1. Month = 10%
2. Month = 30%
3. Month = 50%
4. Month = 80%
5. Month = 100%
so that after 5 month people will move out into a real corp or won't make money running missions/ratting. They still can mine veldspar in highsec or gank people for the fun of it. And once they rejoin the noob corp they start at 100% automatically.
It think to fix the problem you need to fix the mechanics of the game, not ban the farmers. Cause they always will come back.
And for Christ sake, don't buy isk of eBay in the first place...
BEST IDEA EVER !!!!
u know the worst thing that i hate in this game. its not all the cheaters that u see in every system or all the bugs. its the incompitent GM that dont know what there doing and dont give a F. about whats happening.
u keep spaming them with obvious cheaters like the macro npcers and all they say is. will look into it and a month later u still have the same macro npcers in the system.
a blackhole is,
where god divided by zero.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:00:00 -
[41]
Originally by: sliver 0xD
Originally by: KaptnSparrow
does nobody see's the bright side of this....
eve just got a new content!
we all remember the high sec npc convoys. Now we have lowsec player convoys. Just make agent npc stuff something worth and we can make isk of the farmers like its supposed todo.
otherwise just tax newbie corps higher after a while
1. Month = 10%
2. Month = 30%
3. Month = 50%
4. Month = 80%
5. Month = 100%
so that after 5 month people will move out into a real corp or won't make money running missions/ratting. They still can mine veldspar in highsec or gank people for the fun of it. And once they rejoin the noob corp they start at 100% automatically.
It think to fix the problem you need to fix the mechanics of the game, not ban the farmers. Cause they always will come back.
And for Christ sake, don't buy isk of eBay in the first place...
BEST IDEA EVER !!!!
u know the worst thing that i hate in this game. its not all the cheaters that u see in every system or all the bugs. its the incompitent GM that dont know what there doing and dont give a F. about whats happening.
u keep spaming them with obvious cheaters like the macro npcers and all they say is. will look into it and a month later u still have the same macro npcers in the system.
I'd like to say your sig wins
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:24:00 -
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I am unclear how a farmer/macroer can make any money at all if they get their indies consistently popped?
If they are running a courier mission and they get popped carrying the cargo they fail the mission and take a standings hit. Do that enough and that L4 agent won't be talking to you for long.
Now add in the loss of the indy. Even if they build their own and insure them I think they'd lose some money on the deal. Maybe not a lot but still a loss.
So how does this work? No, I am NOT asking so I can try (never macroed or farmed in my life and have no intention of ever starting). I am asking mostly out of curiosity but also if you understand the economics of it all then you stand a better chance of finding a way to hit them in their pocketbook where it counts (that or CCP can figure a way to adjust things so it does nto work so well).
As for people griping at the Devs for doing nothing because they like the paid account you can forget it. EVE started as a home grown game and the Devs have their heart and soul in here more than any other MMO I have seen. WOW is a business. EVE is a labor of love. I forget which one but IIRC a Dev did respond, somewhat angrily, that they DO chase down macroers and happily ban them and that a paid account means nothing in this case. The problem is catching a macroer is not as simple as it sounds. They do not want to ban someone unjustly (AFK flying your hauler is not against the rules).
You need to give the Devs a bit of a break. This is a huge and complex game. Show me an MMO of this size where the Devs do better.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.01.25 17:37:00 -
[43]
Add them to your buddy list.
Petition them.
Keep petitioning them until their icon is always red.
Also, be aware that a majority of farmers are not macros, but they are hired labor. They exist to farm ISK for the purpose of selling it, which is a bannable offense.
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Ice Conch
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Posted - 2007.01.25 18:12:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Humpalot
I am unclear how a farmer/macroer can make any money at all if they get their indies consistently popped?
If they are running a courier mission and they get popped carrying the cargo they fail the mission and take a standings hit. Do that enough and that L4 agent won't be talking to you for long.
Now add in the loss of the indy. Even if they build their own and insure them I think they'd lose some money on the deal. Maybe not a lot but still a loss.
So how does this work? No, I am NOT asking so I can try (never macroed or farmed in my life and have no intention of ever starting). I am asking mostly out of curiosity but also if you understand the economics of it all then you stand a better chance of finding a way to hit them in their pocketbook where it counts (that or CCP can figure a way to adjust things so it does nto work so well).
As for people griping at the Devs for doing nothing because they like the paid account you can forget it. EVE started as a home grown game and the Devs have their heart and soul in here more than any other MMO I have seen. WOW is a business. EVE is a labor of love. I forget which one but IIRC a Dev did respond, somewhat angrily, that they DO chase down macroers and happily ban them and that a paid account means nothing in this case. The problem is catching a macroer is not as simple as it sounds. They do not want to ban someone unjustly (AFK flying your hauler is not against the rules).
You need to give the Devs a bit of a break. This is a huge and complex game. Show me an MMO of this size where the Devs do better.
get 30 accounts. get them in t1 cheap haulers. have them autopilot to their mission. complete mission. head back
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Posted - 2007.01.25 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 25/01/2007 18:37:48
Can we get a macro for blowing up macro haulers?
They problem is they just dont care, with dozens of accounts they more than make up for losses in the hour that someone isint camping the place. As far as banning goes these people dont train skills, they just get into a cheap hauler which you can do basically right away. If you ban their account they just get another one right away and start over.
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gurista wreck
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Posted - 2007.01.25 19:20:00 -
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believe me, ccp does ban accounts on a whim. I had an account stolen from me way back in 2004. The account was created near in 2003. After taking a few years off eve, I tried to get it back. Even after establishing that I was the original owner of the account, the GM chose to just ban the account. I wont go into detail with the GM's reasons, but he/she said the account had changed hands several times after (the apparent theft) and since doing that with accounts was in violation of the EULA, it was banned. How Im supposed to be responsible for my account after it was stolen is besides me. Must be that icelandic logic 
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IRS Informant
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2007.01.25 19:55:00 -
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Yeah, we'll take potshots at the macroers if we already have aggression at the gates, but have pretty much stopped targeting them directly.. Just not worth picking up the gate gun aggro to kill a hauler carrying around a group of janitors..
But in their defense, there is somebody behind the screen.. Somewhere after the 200th hauler kill the guy got all his accounts together and swarmed us with an entire fleet of shuttles at the gate.. It was a beautiful thing, and I gotta give them props for style.. Even if their best attempt at smack is "Yoy are mnay dogs!"
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:23:00 -
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The Rabbits are taking a vacation in Placid, we're averaging 10 industrials a day. Mainly just by solo camping the gates looking for them while not doing anything. Then we changed our killboard and they don't show up as 'real kills' anymore. 
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Jalec Creed
Gallente
Pod Munchers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:49:00 -
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(Didnt bother to read the entire thread since the title explained enough)
I recently moved my business into placid and yes, Loes and nearby system are crap-loaded with those macroers.
Characters named CGBVTHEJH and such, hands full of bestowers and an average of 25 players in local.
Irritating.
When I return home from work ill hop in my ship and join the slaughterfest.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.26 16:22:00 -
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I noticed these a while ago. Aren't they working for Roden Shipyards? I think they might be farming not ISK but standings, so they can get research agents.
Imagine ISK sellers with a T2 BPO.
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Frito11
Turbulent
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.26 17:56:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Vasiliyan
I noticed these a while ago. Aren't they working for Roden Shipyards? I think they might be farming not ISK but standings, so they can get research agents.
Imagine ISK sellers with a T2 BPO.
oh man that is evil, your prob. right I never thought of that
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Jalec Creed
Gallente
Pod Munchers
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Posted - 2007.01.26 18:29:00 -
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ISK selling standing raisers and/or macroers, its all the same.
Im happily munching on their pods. 
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Silane Daktor
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.27 09:42:00 -
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Well, if it cheers anyone up, between Sanguine and Black Rabbits, we killed a lot of these damn farmers yesterday.
Also, the fact eBay is now delisting all virtual in-game items will probably have an impact on these guys. But no doubt they'll use another method of selling ISK/ in-game items
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Gileas
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Posted - 2007.01.27 10:07:00 -
[54]
They already do use another service, but the rates that I see there are worse than current rates on GTC. Best rate there is approx 8m/$1, compared to about 10m/$1 on GTC.
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Hesod Adee
Bright New Dawn
Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.27 10:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Gileas
They already do use another service, but the rates that I see there are worse than current rates on GTC. Best rate there is approx 8m/$1, compared to about 10m/$1 on GTC.
So you get more ISK per $ with buying GTCs than if you buy it directly ?
And buying ISK directly is bannable, while buying GTCs and trading them is allowed.
So if I wanted to buy ISK, why would I buy from the ISK sellers, when the GTC gets me more ISK and has less risk ?
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Posted - 2007.01.27 15:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hesod Adee
Originally by: Gileas
They already do use another service, but the rates that I see there are worse than current rates on GTC. Best rate there is approx 8m/$1, compared to about 10m/$1 on GTC.
So you get more ISK per $ with buying GTCs than if you buy it directly ?
And buying ISK directly is bannable, while buying GTCs and trading them is allowed.
So if I wanted to buy ISK, why would I buy from the ISK sellers, when the GTC gets me more ISK and has less risk ?
No idea. There certainly doesn't appear to be a compelling reason to buy from the site I checked. There may be other sites with more competitive rates but I doubt it. They're most likely counting on getting customers that are unaware of the GTC/isk exchange but know about their service from their business in another game.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2007.01.28 00:44:00 -
[57]
Quote:
There is a few highlevel courier agents there.. and once day I took my sniper there and killed like.. 20-30 haulers in like.. 15-30 minutes or so.. didnt even count.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2007.01.28 01:09:00 -
[58]
EVE is all about Metagaming.
Whether it's endless streams of Macros,
n00b corp spies/suicide gank/scouts/haulers,
multiple accounts, ISK sales, GTC sales,
Charracter sales and buys, ugh.
More rl money = huge edge in a GAME, no level playing field, not even close.
Look at EVE China, very steady and steep decline in memebers.
Mainly, it is said, because the two biggest Alliances are huge farmer/macroers, everyone else says screw it.
When I get fed up and tired of it all, this will be my primary reason.
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.28 08:40:00 -
[59]
They gotta run out of ships sometime!!!!
hmmm, it would be interesting to see how many ships can they afford to lose before stopping all together....
On the plus side, we now got content!!!
oh, and the smartbombing BS is just EVIL!!!! =P
(btw, if you pop them, blow up their wrecks as well as long as any mission items, that will hurt their standings(no way to complete mission after that.), and after afew, they wont be able to do those mission anymore...just alittle FYI... )
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Either they objected to the establishment or they heard about the hot drinks machine in there...
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DarkElf
Caldari
DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts
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Posted - 2007.01.28 10:48:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Petrothian Tong
They gotta run out of ships sometime!!!!
They really don't, that's the depressing thing
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Jarjar
exscape corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.28 10:58:00 -
[61]
Ugh, if it wasn't for the sec status hit I'd gladly help. I have 5.0 right now and it would take less than 20 kills for me to become banned in high-sec (0.9 IIRC). Not good, not good.
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.28 13:58:00 -
[62]
I'm not sure why it is in Eve, but other games do not allow the direct conversion of game money for real money because of potential litigation. If your account has real money value that is recognized by the company, every petition about a game glitch or downtime could potentially become a legal issue. I'm sure it'd be a pain in the butt if they got sued everyday by players who couldn't earn money because the server crashed.
The only game I know of that doesn't care and actually encourages it is Second Life.
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