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Dibz
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Posted - 2016.01.18 17:20:32 -
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Woo!
Please, just don't screw up with the AUR cost. If you price it too high then even the people who think this is a good idea will turn against you, not to mention those against. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 10:17:18 -
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Where will the skill injectors come from? Are they manufactured, or looted etc? If I want to buy a bunch of empty ones for myself will I be able to do that? |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 11:14:20 -
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Rizz Razz wrote:Tristan Agion wrote:
I hence really hope for a low price for the skill injector, say 100 AUR.
500 AUR will be minimum i think ... and 3500 AUR wont be a surprise :) But we will see ...
Anything over 500 AUR would be a total fail IMO. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:12:04 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Characters bought in the bazaar come with a name, a history and choices in regards to skill training. You agree to buying that character then you agree to the whole package so changing ownership of that character does not change the basic "choices have consequences" core concept of EVE. The character remains as is.
The new system allows you to syphon SP from any character with any background and any training choices and then redistribute that as you please. None of the choices that character made is retained, it throws the basic concept of EVE overboard. So a) it's so close to P2W it's not even funny and b) it completely fucks with EVE's main concept.
And then a clown PVPer turned "balancing expert", turned clown dev allowed it to happen.
What am I 'winning' when I redistribute SP from one character to another? Remember that winning implies someone else is losing as a direct consequence of my actions. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 12:21:06 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Dibz wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Characters bought in the bazaar come with a name, a history and choices in regards to skill training. You agree to buying that character then you agree to the whole package so changing ownership of that character does not change the basic "choices have consequences" core concept of EVE. The character remains as is.
The new system allows you to syphon SP from any character with any background and any training choices and then redistribute that as you please. None of the choices that character made is retained, it throws the basic concept of EVE overboard. So a) it's so close to P2W it's not even funny and b) it completely fucks with EVE's main concept.
And then a clown PVPer turned "balancing expert", turned clown dev allowed it to happen.
What am I 'winning' when I redistribute SP from one character to another? Remember that winning implies someone else is losing as a direct consequence of my actions. Your logic (...) is dumb as hell, but thanks for playing.
Answer the question. What am I winning? And how is another player being put at a disadvantage?
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:01:12 -
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Dibz wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Dibz wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Characters bought in the bazaar come with a name, a history and choices in regards to skill training. You agree to buying that character then you agree to the whole package so changing ownership of that character does not change the basic "choices have consequences" core concept of EVE. The character remains as is.
The new system allows you to syphon SP from any character with any background and any training choices and then redistribute that as you please. None of the choices that character made is retained, it throws the basic concept of EVE overboard. So a) it's so close to P2W it's not even funny and b) it completely fucks with EVE's main concept.
And then a clown PVPer turned "balancing expert", turned clown dev allowed it to happen.
What am I 'winning' when I redistribute SP from one character to another? Remember that winning implies someone else is losing as a direct consequence of my actions. Your logic (...) is dumb as hell, but thanks for playing. Answer the question. What am I winning? And how is another player being put at a disadvantage?
You ignore the question and prefer to insult because you can't justify what you said. Or maybe you're too busy quitting to post... nope, you're still here  |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:25:33 -
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I'm waiting, Greggy Weggy....
Did you delete your Youtube channel yet?  |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:52:40 -
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Rizz Razz wrote:Dibz wrote:Rizz Razz wrote:Tristan Agion wrote:
I hence really hope for a low price for the skill injector, say 100 AUR.
500 AUR will be minimum i think ... and 3500 AUR wont be a surprise :) But we will see ... Anything over 500 AUR would be a total fail IMO. Don't forget the Blood Raider Accelerator Test ! CCP recognized that Players are willing to pay up to 300 mio isk for just 50k effective Skillpoints ... so why u think u can buy 500k SP for under a billion isk?
Sssssshhhhh!!  
Realistically I know 500 is a lowball. 1000 AUR would be a more realistic sum.
Let's say I wanted to transfer 10M SP from one alt to another. If the character I want to transfer the skills to already has over 5M SP, then I will be taking a 20% loss in SP in the process, so I will need to extract 12M SP to make up for it. You would need 24 extractors for that, at a cost of 24,000 AUR, or roughly -ú92.
You can buy 10M SP characters on the bazaar for roughly 5B, or 5 plex at a cost of roughly -ú78.
So yeah, with the added benefits of injecting SP into the skills you want I'd say 1000 AUR seems about right... but I still hope it's less  |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.19 13:54:37 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Dibz wrote:I'm waiting, Greggy Weggy.... Did you delete your Youtube channel yet?  Again, if you really think that your logic makes sense then nothing can help you. Nice alt posting btw. And yes it's gone.
I would have liked to have seen your explanation, but it seems you don't have one, so we'll leave it there. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.20 13:19:41 -
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Charlie Corday wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Charlie Corday wrote:Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk. Seriously, do you actually trust 1-day characters? Because personally I bug out when I see the known gank ships (certain destroyers, for example), I don't even wait to show info on the character. Destroyer in the overview? Bug out!!! And even then it's too late. Do you trust a 1-day character coming near you to mine in his Venture? Because they're the perfect "warp to fleet member at 0 km" setup to kill you with point blank heavy damage suicide gank ships. 1-day doesn't mean anything. You help 1-day newbies in the Newbie Q/A forums, not in game. Can't trust anyone in-game. So how many SP they have is moot. And I will repeat this for you.. The point is that Eve has always been about consequences. If you choose to train in a certain path there is a consequence (good and bad). Now with the magic of the dollar we can press the respec button. That is not Eve, that is a very clear money grabbing strategy that eliminates the toughness, finality and consequences that made this game great.
What does this have to do with 1-day old gank alts? |
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.20 13:50:15 -
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Luna Bowman wrote:Before: 1 day old gank alt in poorly fit frigate / maaaaybe a destroyer? After: 1 day old gank alt in max skilled tornado, after buying 6 million SP worth of injectors by his main?
What does this have to do with the consequences of your choices in EVE? |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 16:29:21 -
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Jen Drake wrote:Anabuki Tomoko wrote:and see you guys crying about something that the character bazaar already lets you do. Buying characters and buying SP couldn't be different from each other. If you can't see that then we will all be better off without your posts.
They're not that different. The bazaar is just a crude form of SP purchase.
"But muh character history, muh consequences"
Look at the characters on the bazaar. Most of them have benign, uncontroversial heritage, with little reputation to speak of. And to be honest, if you're a paranoid recruiter, who are you going to be more suspicious of - the bazaar character or the 1 month old character with a clean slate but 30M SP? |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 16:54:35 -
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I'm sure CCP know exactly how much the extractors will cost, they're just not telling us. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 17:12:01 -
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It just occurred to me that this might encourage people to log on more. Instead of playing other games while they wait for skills to train they can get the skills they want sooner thus avoiding a break from the game = more people online. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 19:20:11 -
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Scott Dracov wrote:Anticipation of a reward is always a longer lasting incentive than the reward itself and the people who originally made eve knew this. It is why EVE has lasted this long.
That is a good point.
You know, I thought I was totally on board with this. I still want it to happen, but for selfish reasons. The only reason I want it is for convenience.
I used to play WoW. When they made changes for the sake of convenience I initially welcomed them. Press a button and join a dungeon instead of taking the time to form a group and then travel to the dungeon? Woohoo! All that hassle gone. Fed up with Alliance and want to switch to Horde, but don't want to level a new character? Just pay some money and change your faction instantly! Yay! Can't be bothered to level up? Just pay some money and bingo, you skipped all that content! Such convenience!
Problem is those changes played a huge part in turning WoW into what it is today, i.e. a sorry shadow of its former self. Subs are falling but Blizzard doesn't care because they're making bank on the character services.
Hmmm. I think my opinion is changing. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.23 21:23:06 -
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Yes, I do agree with you there, Indahmawar. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.27 11:58:47 -
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Scott Dracov wrote:I even bought skins until I realized the only thing they change is the color
lol
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.29 19:57:30 -
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CCP Quant wrote:we know the extractor prices
When are you going to tell us then? |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.06 12:44:13 -
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Vile Swan wrote:CCP I'd like to say on behalf of the whole game. Thank you for F*****g garbage price you put on the extractors. It will only cost $100 to get a new toon to 15 million skillpoints bahahahahaha. LONG LIVE CCP.
Even Blizzard, the masters of sucking money out of their customers' wallets, 'only' charge -ú40 for a maximum level character.
If I want to extract 15M SP from one character (not a huge amount in the scheme of things) and give it to another - losing 3M in the process - it will cost roughly -ú100.
Sorry CCP, I might have spent -ú50, but -ú100 is too much. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.06 15:04:49 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Vile Swan wrote:CCP I'd like to say on behalf of the whole game. Thank you for F*****g garbage price you put on the extractors. It will only cost $100 to get a new toon to 15 million skillpoints bahahahahaha. LONG LIVE CCP. You are aware that the cheapest subscription plan is to pre-pay for 1 year, at $10 / month, $131.40 (with tax), and that gets you 20 million skillpoints trained the normal way? Most people use the monthly subscription and that's $225 for 20 million SP? So 15 million SP for $100 is what we already pay, just all at once, which I guess is a shock. You are aware that on the Character Bazaar, a 15 million SP toon will go for 7-8B, which is 6 PLEX = $120?
This is true. But if you want to shift SP between characters on your own account, not only are you not gaining any SP, you are actually losing SP (if the recipient character has over 5M SP).
What I would have liked to have seen is a process that allowed you to differentiate between creating an injector to trade, and swapping SP between characters on your account, although I don't know what that would look like. Hell, even if the donor character was destroyed in the process, that would be preferable to me than the current system. |
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.06 15:40:42 -
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Shova'k wrote:@ dibz just being able to 100% move sp to extra chars on same act would be broken and abused by character farmers they would buy crapy cheap chars after trolling the sell its worthless then move the sp to a new char sell for epic profit and repeat so ya that would not work out at all.
Maybe they could make it so that if you transferred SP between characters on one account, that account would become ineligible for the transfer process for 12 months. Or something  |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.11 11:10:31 -
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Initially I was excited about this change, but now I just feel quite cynical and a bit disillusioned with EVE and CCP.
I was hoping to siphon some SP from one character to another, but then the cash cost of the extractors sank in (I'm not space rich). I would need to spend -ú80 to get the AUR for enough extractors.
I logged in to the AUR store and considered buying the big AUR pack. Then I considered what -ú80 could buy me elsewhere. I could buy The Last Of Us, Fallout 4 and Divinity: Original Sin for my PS4 and still have change out of -ú80. That's three great games for the price of 15m skill points - actually 12m due to diminishing returns. -ú80 will also buy two max level characters in World of Warcraft, or sixteen albums from Bandcamp.
And so the cost has made me consider whether EVE is worth investing my money in. I could of course simply continue as before and earn my sp the normal way. But now the injectors are part of the game there is always going to be this feeling that I could be advancing my character much faster, and that bugs me. (Before someone says "but character bazaar", that's not the same. That's not advancing my character, it's paying for someone else's).
Earning sp via the normal time-based subscription method now feels like playing the crappy low xp f2p version, and earning sp via injectors is like the premium or 'upgraded' pay monthly version. - except I'm still paying a monthly sub. |

Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:11:06 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Yes, it's the players choice, it's like: "Look, we completely separated this two roles and you can now train half a year to become operational again to defend your space empire, or you can just purchase your way up there like those other guys, it's your choice, no one is forcing anyone here, you are completely free to do as... oh look, they already deployed to take your stuff.. good luck!". I know, that's not how things ARE, but it is how things APPEAR, which is very important for a product which is essentially a hobby to a lot of people.
It seams like you are completely ignorant to this effects and just focus on the pure mechanics, which is not addressing the issue at all. I know, no one is forcing anyone to use that stuff, but the simple truth that this option is available is enough to change how people think about this things. And yes there is pressure to use this feature, it's not created by CCP intentionally (at least I think it is not, for now) but it appears like you have to use it to stay on top of the game in some situations.
Yep. The game feels different now. Even if you don't want the carrot CCP is dangling in front of you, you are continuously being reminded it's there, you have to keep ignoring it.
Fact is, if you're not buying skill injectors your character is progressing much more slowly than the game allows for. Some will be okay with that, others will watch their skill queue slowly ticking down with a nagging sense that they're wasting time and being left behind. |
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