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CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 6437	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:06:15 - [1] - Quote We are excited to give you an update about Project Discovery, the real life Human Protein Research project in EVE Online. Project Discovery is waiting for you on the test server Singularity and we invite you to start testing this feature! Please read more about this great initiative in CCP Scarpia's dev blog Project Discovery needs You! and provide plenty of feedback. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager

Karash Amerius Sutoka 221	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:09:38 - [2] - Quote So we can become real life scientists in Eve now eh? Not bad. Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
Mr Grape Drink Sugar - Water - Purple The Mutiny 82	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:12:37 - [3] - Quote The comments link on the dev blog itself leads to the skill trade dev blog comments post

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 6437	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:13:51 - [4] - Quote Mr Grape Drink wrote: The comments link on the dev blog itself leads to the skill trade dev blog comments post Oh dang! Thanks for the notification, I have updated the link. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13688	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:21:25 - [5] - Quote will test out shortly Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1858	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:28:32 - [6] - Quote Good luck with this Akrasjel Lanate CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7951	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:30:57 - [7] - Quote Hey there! I'm on Singularity now. How do I try out Discovery? :) Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

CCP Paradox 1434	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:33:02 - [8] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Hey there! I'm on Singularity now. How do I try out Discovery? :) We're just getting it set up, and should not take more than an hour. I will reply again here when it is up. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Moloney Mass Effect Enterprises 184	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:34:36 - [9] - Quote You guys come up with some crap some times. But this is genius! Well done for getting such a project integrated with a game!
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7951	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:35:23 - [10] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Hey there! I'm on Singularity now. How do I try out Discovery? :) We're just getting it set up, and should not take more than an hour. I will reply again here when it is up. Awesome. Thanks, Paradox! :D Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Shinzann Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S 25	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:41:41 - [11] - Quote Sign me up.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1806	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:43:01 - [12] - Quote So over time will there be multiple research projects associated with this or will always be completely focused on one research goal at a time (if the research goal ever changes at all, of course)?
Midori Tsu Evolution Northern Coalition. 144	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:44:33 - [13] - Quote What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating?

CCP RedDawn C C P C C P Alliance 747	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:48:45 - [14] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: So over time will there be multiple research projects associated with this or will always be completely focused on one research goal at a time (if the research goal ever changes at all, of course)? This project is set for the Human Protein Atlas for now, but hopefully you can see the other possibilities in the future for other types of research. They would still have to fit thematically within the EVE experience however. Team Space Glitter

Harkin Issier Negative-Impact Back and Forth 52	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:49:24 - [15] - Quote Holy **** this is amazing. I'll definitely be contributing. Do I need to talk to a specific agent to start this, or will we be able to access it from anywhere immediately after patch?
Sarrian Calda Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:51:21 - [16] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: We're just getting it set up, and should not take more than an hour. I will reply again here when it is up. Still waiting~

CCP RedDawn C C P C C P Alliance 747	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:55:22 - [17] - Quote Midori Tsu wrote: What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating? Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample. So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP. Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course) Team Space Glitter

Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1806	Posted - 2016.01.22 16:55:45 - [18] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: So over time will there be multiple research projects associated with this or will always be completely focused on one research goal at a time (if the research goal ever changes at all, of course)? This project is set for the Human Protein Atlas for now, but hopefully you can see the other possibilities in the future for other types of research. They would still have to fit thematically within the EVE experience however. So Project Discovery will stay focused on the HPA, and if other MMOS projects were to Be hooked up with EvE they would be different projects altogether? Groovey.
Mercur Fighter Black Aces I N F A M O U S 4	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:02:17 - [19] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: We are excited to give you an update about Project Discovery, the real life Human Protein Research project in EVE Online. Project Discovery is waiting for you on the test server Singularity and we invite you to start testing this feature! Please read more about this great initiative in CCP Scarpia's dev blog Project Discovery needs You! and provide plenty of feedback. CCP you guys are fricking brilliant. This is a great way to create a win-win situation that generates additional revenue for the company, and also rewarding players for their work. Could potentially open the door for more tasks or "missions" that Eve players can help real life tech companies perform, with ISK rewards.
Jeven HouseBenyo Baron and Serpent Productions 228	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:03:45 - [20] - Quote Sweet! Folding Home makes it to Sisi. Will try to send an alt over, logging in there's still a bit of a challenge since still on the 'Classic' Launcher. >Jeven Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
NorthCrossroad EVE University Ivy League 94	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:06:12 - [21] - Quote Great idea, have to say! Not sure, but not a single other MMO did anything like it. While there are plenty ways to participate in similar projects without playing EVE, have to say that it's a great way to get people involved into such projects. Will see how it plays out, but would be great to integrate these tasks to missions or archeology systems. As a suggestion - add some items to the faction store that will require the science rating and won't be accessible otherwise. Some unique ships skins/archeology equipment/implants would be really nice. North
Mercur Fighter Black Aces I N F A M O U S 4	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:15:39 - [22] - Quote NorthCrossroad wrote: not a single other MMO did anything like it. North Yep, that's out of the box thinking!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15158	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:17:51 - [23] - Quote The fake scientist degree I always needed! Sign me up! /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

DaReaper Net 7 2741	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:26:22 - [24] - Quote this was something my wife was interested in doing, she might even start an account JUST to do this OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7951	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:29:54 - [25] - Quote Looks like Sisi's back up. :D Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Datterich 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:44:59 - [26] - Quote Absolutly great idea!! Unforunatly, on SISI i can't see any of the images that are supposed to be there. Has someone else the same problem?
Jack Terok Fearless Unicorns inPanic 3	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:46:44 - [27] - Quote Datterich wrote: Absolutly great idea!! Unforunatly, on SISI i can't see any of the images that are supposed to be there. Has someone else the same problem? Can confirm. Same Problem.
Harkin Issier Negative-Impact Back and Forth 53	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:47:37 - [28] - Quote Datterich wrote: Absolutly great idea!! Unforunatly, on SISI i can't see any of the images that are supposed to be there. Has someone else the same problem? Looks like you already unlocked Hard Mode.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7952	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:48:10 - [29] - Quote Same, Datterich. It looks like the interface is up, but... Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Moloney Mass Effect Enterprises 184	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:53:29 - [30] - Quote Rewards should be fairly substantial since you are now getting paid on both ends of the spectrum, no? (Player subscription and research grant/equivalent) Better pay-out = more participants.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3744	Posted - 2016.01.22 17:56:40 - [31] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: So over time will there be multiple research projects associated with this or will always be completely focused on one research goal at a time (if the research goal ever changes at all, of course)? This project is set for the Human Protein Atlas for now, but hopefully you can see the other possibilities in the future for other types of research. They would still have to fit thematically within the EVE experience however. Galaxy Zoo Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Azahar Ortenegro Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis 58	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:00:02 - [32] - Quote No images, waiting!
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3422	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:16:19 - [33] - Quote Where labcoats? ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht Every part of a game helps to tell a story.

CCP Paradox 1435	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:18:04 - [34] - Quote Project Discovery is now active on Singularity, thank you for your support. In the name of Science, please give it a try! CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3422	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:21:39 - [35] - Quote NorthCrossroad wrote: Great idea, have to say! Not sure, but not a single other MMO did anything like it. While there are plenty ways to participate in similar projects without playing EVE, have to say that it's a great way to get people involved into such projects. Will see how it plays out, but would be great to integrate these tasks to missions or archeology systems. As a suggestion - add some items to the faction store that will require the science rating and won't be accessible otherwise. Some unique ships skins/archeology equipment/implants would be really nice. North Labcoats for analysis points. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht Every part of a game helps to tell a story.
Sir SmashAlot The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement 193	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:38:36 - [36] - Quote Plex for Science!!! O wait....Science for Plex
Darkblad 2567	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:44:25 - [37] - Quote Takes [ages\|forever] to load anything. Me being a Telekom customer (known bandwidth issues for cloudfront/amazon hosted content) may be the reason. The Lack of traversing the tutorial backwards is weird - but ... tutorials? why no opportunities for this? NPE
Kindzomanjalu Mernher Susuru Bars 0	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:49:00 - [38] - Quote Great idea! I know the concept of using gamer's energy for something like this has been around, but this is the first real implementation i know of. Kudos! P.S. Some lore-item rewards would be great to motivate those who dont' crave ISK or Sister's LP (which are the same ISK)
Vesan Terakol The Goat Farm Bad Intention 119	Posted - 2016.01.22 18:58:39 - [39] - Quote As a biologist i fully approve of this initiative. And i will make sure i point at you many times if you do something wrong with it! Just as soon as i have time left from my RL biological studies.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7952	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:03:35 - [40] - Quote Awesome stuff! Been playing with it a bit, and my recommendations so far: * A 'skip sample' button for when you really have no idea, or don't want to commit to it; * The ability to resize the window, as on larger screens the samples can be a bit small; * Perhaps saving the 'results' page with Prof. Lundberg's portrait until the end of a session, or a screen that can be checked mid-session; I'm not likely to care about the payout until I'm going on an op or bored. ;) The difficulty I'm having with this analysis so far is determining when something is significant. For instance, one of the early post-tutorial examples is one with cytoskeleton (actin filaments). I correctly identified those (sort of obvious), but also saw green speckling in the nucleus and suspected that these, while faint, were a case of many small nuclear bodies. Correct in the first case, incorrect in the second. Is there some allowance for, say, 'common misidentifications,' as in this case? Or do I just need to work on my pattern recognition? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Dave Stark 7878	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:06:18 - [41] - Quote just jumped on sisi to try it out. not quite sure what i'm meant to be doing - not sure i care either, i'm getting isk/LP for randomly clicking. in all seriousness though - the tutorial doesn't really explain much, you're asking me to match a random picture with little icons that don't look even remotely like it... and i'm pretty sure all this isk/lp i'm getting clicking randomly is going to add up faster than any kind of multiplier i get by taking my time to try and figure out which icon is meant to match the scribble on the left. honestly - remove the isk/lp reward. i know you want to incentivize it, but seriously i'm getting isk/lp for clicking randomly and not caring about the fact that this is meant to be helping scientists. because i'm getting isk/lp for randomly clicking and submitting complete trash, that's what people will do. "**, need some new sisters probes - better up some scientists results with crap for a couple of mins while i fly to the nearest LP store station". "fleet's waiting to form? may as well ** up some scientists results with crap and get free isk while people get ready to leave." genuinely - if this mini game thing is meant to be serious and help research, get rid of the reward.
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Care Factor 14	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:06:31 - [42] - Quote Maybe I'm missing something - where/how to get started? I'm on SiSi, now what? _ I tried real-life once. -áThe graphics suck._

CCP Paradox 1436	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:11:45 - [43] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Is there some allowance for, say, 'common misidentifications,' as in this case? Or do I just need to work on my pattern recognition? Remember there is a color channel selector at the bottom of the sample image. Changing the channels can help you identify the correct characteristics sometimes if you are having difficulty. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Datterich 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:13:01 - [44] - Quote It is really not easy to match the given picture to the structure (almost as hard as if it would be in a real lab^^). The tutorial should be extended or give at least some more Information. A short video-introduction would be really helpful. The reward-system is very inappropriate as it grants you rewards for randomly clicking. This does neither help the gameplay nor does it give any scientific benefit. It would probably be good to add some more (or a lot more) control-questions and give reward based on the accuracy-level.
Makhar Independent Miners Guild Care Factor 14	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:14:32 - [45] - Quote Makhar wrote: Maybe I'm missing something - where/how to get started? I'm on SiSi, now what? Nevermind I found it Neocom > Business _ I tried real-life once. -áThe graphics suck._
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7952	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:19:01 - [46] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Is there some allowance for, say, 'common misidentifications,' as in this case? Or do I just need to work on my pattern recognition? Remember there is a color channel selector at the bottom of the sample image. Changing the channels can help you identify the correct characteristics sometimes if you are having difficulty. There is a seperate feedback thread directly for the feature on the Test Server Feedback forums, Project Discovery is now active on Singularity Right-o! Definitely using that. I guess what caught me up is remembering that, indeed, some staining of objects will be visible through the nucleus, despite not being part of it. Also, a blue-only channel or a blue-red channel might also be helpful. ;) Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aeril Malkyre Knights of the Ouroboros 432	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:20:29 - [47] - Quote I am so glad to see this moving forward. Cheers to CCP for helping out with real science :)
Sarmatiko 1699	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:24:11 - [48] - Quote It's easy enough...once you figured it out. But I already failed twice with the Nucleus\Nucleoplasm recognition: http://i.imgur.com/2ZU2Mmr.jpg As you can see Nucleus wasn't correct "answer" despite description ("overlaps with blue marker and evenly stained") and correct was Nucleoplasm (green should color everything, except small circles, which is not the case on this image).

CCP Paradox 1437	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:32:29 - [49] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: It's easy enough...once you figured it out. But I already failed twice with the Nucleus\Nucleoplasm recognition: http://i.imgur.com/2ZU2Mmr.jpg As you can see Nucleus wasn't correct "answer" despite description ("overlaps with blue marker and evenly stained") and correct was Nucleoplasm (green should color everything, except small circles, which is not the case on this image). In that example, it is only the nucleus, as soon as you see the green outside the nucleus also it is something else. Remember to use the color channels to see, especially for times there are green inside and out of the nucleus. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Dave Stark 7878	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:36:57 - [50] - Quote make the hexagons bigger. it's really difficult to see what each option is. also, when you mouse over them, make the window pop up somewhere other than on top of every other hexagon. these 2 things would make it significantly easier to try and compare your options with the image that you're presented.
Old Man Sam Fishy Old Men in Space 1	Posted - 2016.01.22 19:52:40 - [51] - Quote So far I'm on tutorial sample 2, but this is interesting. Some requests for the UI: 1. Let me make it bigger. I have a big monitor, yet I'm staring at a small square. Enhance! 2. Preload all the colour images. chances are if I'm doing it right I'm going to need all of them anyway. 3. let me map the colour buttons to number buttons or something. I don't want to move the mouse (moving the image) or lock the image (incase I want to move again, and forget where my mouse is.) Looks like an interesting minigame. Something you can pickup and drop in an instant, unlike most EVE activity's.
Samsara Toldya Academy of Contradictory Behaviour 385	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:04:39 - [52] - Quote Sometimes it is hard to decide between 2 options... like "all green with minor black dots" or "mostly black with 20-40 green dots". In my opinion the example pictures shown on mouse-over don't match the magnification / sharpness / resolution compared to the sample on the left side. After I took some screenshots and let Twitter crop / compress them to ugly small jpgs it was much easier for me to see why I was wrong, yet ingame it's still hard to see a difference. Maybe I'll have to play around with monitor gamma, brightness, contrast to get better results. I second that a wrong answer shouldn't give ISK/LP as it makes giving the right answer less rewarding. EVE - wrong decision and you'll wake up in your home station. Fullscreen would be nice, too.
Sheeana Harb Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 43	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:08:45 - [53] - Quote I hope this feature will enter live server as soon as possible. If it does, I will start using it. Both because it's fun and also because it helps a greater cause. If Project Discovery gets implemented, I won't be upset because something else could've been improved / fixed. And also I don't think it break EVE's theme nor it would pull me out of the game. And lastly, releasing Project Discovery, I don't believe CCP is selling out their vision / game design. More features like this please!
Sir Constantin 47	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:34:41 - [54] - Quote Let us rezise the window or make it fullscreen because everything is really small and it hurts my eyes. Tutorial samples should be on par with what we see or explained better, a youtube video of someone going through the samples and explaining them would be awesome.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 19222	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:51:17 - [55] - Quote It's bothering me a lot that people are just clicking one option ever and over again - if there's no downside to doing so, people will just start doing that and mess it up for everyone. Apart from that: I assume accuracy scores will update on TQ, where they don't past the already-identified samples on SISI? "A City made of Dreams is built in heaven" GPƒUriel for CSM XI!
Samsara Toldya Academy of Contradictory Behaviour 385	Posted - 2016.01.22 20:52:18 - [56] - Quote I'm getting to a point where after I submitted my result I'll see lots of hexagons with 6%, 50% etc. Best guess: that's a sample without a right/wrong answer where "what does the majority think it is?" data is collected? Great fun, but eyes start bleeding. None of the drifters or goons seem to be my father, but maybe I'm misunderstanding what I am doing ^^ Magnification - mouse movement doesn't match the movement of the picture, hard to zoom in the edges as you lose zoom as soon as you are 1px outside the square Magnification is not strong enough to zoom in CCP Guard If I want to move my mouse from (example) "Mitochondria" to "Cytoskeleton" too fast, the mouseover-pic of "Mitochondria" won't dissappear as mouse cursor is above it and I have to move it back. Too much delay after leaving the mouseover zone. EDIT: Yes, please make some hardcap for how many answers you can give. Like 3 within 60s or something like that to prevent "nucleus spinning" being the new ship spinning.
Tomiko Kawase Dreddit 206	Posted - 2016.01.22 21:11:09 - [57] - Quote This is pretty cool, but I wish the images were larger. It's hard to match the detail in some of these. A couple of images in the presolved section I would never guess matched up (specifically the endoplasmic reticulum one) and I don't see how it matches at all. Bombastic vintage soul with a driving groove, brass & male vocal
Starbuilder Stasarik EVE University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2016.01.22 22:10:18 - [58] - Quote A number of the Tutorial samples I've been provided with don't seem to make any sense whatsoever. Case in point: http://puu.sh/mFMRG/e8f3a722ec.jpg The green blobs are clearly in the nucleus, but not in the nucleoli, but it's marked as being in the vesicles, despite the description of vesicles stating that they never appear in the nucleus. There have been a number of others, but this one has been the most glaring example I've seen of "wait, what?" that I've encountered so far. Just a quick edit to say that I'm doing the tutorials a third time. I'll screenshot all of the ones I encounter that don't seem to line up with the descriptions and examples. Another edit... I'm not sure what the other examples are being highlighted for, now. I just did a tutorial question wrong on purpose, and it clearly shows the red X marker, but on correct ones, other examples are being highlighted in Green after submitting. I think that's throwing me off a bit. Is there a reason that other options show up highlighted in green after, or is that a bug?
Zappity Black Aces I N F A M O U S 2624	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:38:36 - [59] - Quote Gotta say as an RL biologist I'm pretty excited to see this integrated into the game. Very cool. 1. Make window larger. Maybe the new map window options for dock, full screen etc. 2. Needs intro video option to explain what it is. 3. Add another seven (at least) optional tutorial slides to let people get a better feel for it if they wish. How will people find this particular agent if they don't know to go to the Business screen? Edit: to all of the people commenting about how the images don't match the description it doesn't really matter. This is harnessing the power of a large sample size and the correct answer will emerge after enough people have had a go. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Cixi 16	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:50:54 - [60] - Quote This is awesome I can't wait to try this
Sir HappyPants The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 97	Posted - 2016.01.22 23:55:54 - [61] - Quote I ctrl+F blind with no results, so apologies if this has been asked already. Any chance of a colorblind mode? I'm one of the many men with colorblindness. Seeing the example pictures would make this exercise largely impossible for me without exporting the image to a color conversion program. I love the idea and the execution looks great, I would love to participate. Thanks! `Member of the #TweetFleet @thisurlnotfound`
Fzhal Tessaract Industries 36	Posted - 2016.01.23 00:35:20 - [62] - Quote Sir HappyPants wrote: I ctrl+F blind with no results, so apologies if this has been asked already. Any chance of a colorblind mode? I'm one of the many men with colorblindness. Seeing the example pictures would make this exercise largely impossible for me without exporting the image to a color conversion program. I love the idea and the execution looks great, I would love to participate. Thanks! I've recently seen games with graphics options where you can select your vision type... Just sayin. ;)
Deleenda Asanari Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 0	Posted - 2016.01.23 01:03:40 - [63] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: just jumped on sisi to try it out. not quite sure what i'm meant to be doing - not sure i care either, i'm getting isk/LP for randomly clicking. in all seriousness though - the tutorial doesn't really explain much, you're asking me to match a random picture with little icons that don't look even remotely like it... and i'm pretty sure all this isk/lp i'm getting clicking randomly is going to add up faster than any kind of multiplier i get by taking my time to try and figure out which icon is meant to match the scribble on the left. honestly - remove the isk/lp reward. i know you want to incentivize it, but seriously i'm getting isk/lp for clicking randomly and not caring about the fact that this is meant to be helping scientists. because i'm getting isk/lp for randomly clicking and submitting complete trash, that's what people will do. "**, need some new sisters probes - better up some scientists results with crap for a couple of mins while i fly to the nearest LP store station". "fleet's waiting to form? may as well up some scientists results with crap and get free isk while people get ready to leave." genuinely - if this mini game thing is meant to be serious and help research, get rid of the reward. or, only award it to people who are above say, 70%, accuracy. edit: isk reward seems to be 1k isk per 1% of accuracy. that means 100k isk per at 100% accuracy. not a great deal of isk, not much incentive to try and do it correctly vs spamming complete crap. LP seems to be a bit more random, though. edit2: just tried to do it properly and get my rating up. it seems that most of them could be 1 of like 3 or 4 choices i always seem to get it wrong. i'm bad at it. this further promotes my "spam answers" mentality since i may as well get rewards quickly than take my time and still get ** answers. i totally agree with him :) lower the rewards isk/lp maybe... or just put a 2 minute or hell even 3 minute limit to pressing submit button to prevent spam... try to make it bit harder to earn money compared to highsec afk mining. i know you want to give ppl something to motivate them but... make some serious tutorials for it maybe with an actual doctor showing us and explains the reasoning behind his choices in mini game... full screen is a must :) hexagons may have least 2 example pictures to show more variety as other rewards goes make skins like red cross themed or even make just new ships just can be bought geneticist rank or something like that and/or doctor/researcher/lab clothes of course :) other than that i think its a great project hope it will somehow succeeds :)
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 311	Posted - 2016.01.23 01:21:27 - [64] - Quote Needs to come with a textbook, minimum 300 pages. My experience with it really makes me doubt that research actually showed that random people with no background in the subject can actually become even vaguely accurate based on feedback on a few known samples. I violently disagree with almost every classification and am completely baffled by how many of them could be right to the degree that I'm wondering if the database is presenting the images it thinks it is.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 281	Posted - 2016.01.23 01:27:18 - [65] - Quote - Can give more detailed instructions.... Like a Guide for dummies or something.. cause I have no idea what characteristics im supposed to be matching... just a vague reference to green coloring in the tutorial... Am I supposed to find shapes similar to other pictures ? or work out some feature that they all have in common ? Is their supposed to be a pattern ? - Need a video showing how to find a match. - Need full screen ! - havent got to rewards section but yeah as others have said you need to prevent people from just random clicking and getting isk/lp. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Alruan Shadowborn InterSun Freelance 42	Posted - 2016.01.23 01:50:53 - [66] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: Midori Tsu wrote: What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating? Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample. So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP. Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course) At the moment it is based on your overall score, ie if i am at 52% accuracy i get 260 LP even if i get all of the types on a single sample correct Some of the Samples in the initial set appear to be wrong as well, ie one of them had random green spot all over it, nuclei and all, and it had the correct answer specified as never having green spots on the nucleus https://imgur.com/9z8ASLR
Sarrian Calda Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2016.01.23 03:20:58 - [67] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample. So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP. Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course) Perhaps a better way to control and give out rewards appropriately is to follow distributed computing projects like BOINC. You have the players match and identify samples, but you do not give out rewards immediately until the results are verified. If it takes, say, 1,000,000 matches to have a verdict on the result of a sample, then show a counter to people to let them know this "sample" needs how many more matches to go. Those who participated in identifying samples for this particular sample will be rewarded according to a function of # of attempts * overall accuracy. More attempts + high accuracy > 1 attempt @ 100% accuracy. There should also be a threshold to filter out spammers who simply just click. If the accuracy of a player's matching effort is below this threshold, he should be given a compulsory tutorial or further training before he can continue identifying more samples. Reward may be made very insignificant for these players to deter them from mindless clicking. Perhaps can make a "lifetime accuracy" bragging rights indicator/medal for players to display.
Sean Crees Sean's Safe Haven 23	Posted - 2016.01.23 08:23:46 - [68] - Quote This probably is one of the coolest things I've seen in any game, ever. Hopefully its not the last time something like this gets implemented. It would be really cool if all the missions we do in Eve are helping to further science in the RL.
Ergentii Juhar Veria Ltd. 1	Posted - 2016.01.23 08:24:14 - [69] - Quote Some serious thoughts about this thing... So, on biology research now there is a trend to replace research scientists with cheap untrained but massive labor? This has happened again, when they changed the seti@home (searching for aliens, a completely non-revenue operation) client with another that computed various things for various projects. I thought then, 'why should I give my resources for free to anyone's project? If they need processing power, let them buy it; medical companies have megabucks'. This thing happens again, it seems, on another aspect of their expenditures. Human labor. Remember, people: We are not helping humanity or doing science or research. We are just lowering the research costs for the medicine companies, by replacing proper research analysts with unskilled but massive labor (and also paid by us)! We're paying our plexes so that they get more money! CCP, stop acting as a job mediator! Trash this and, if you like, bring ads in the client for added revenue. I'll click them, if it'll make you happy. In summary, there are certain ethical considerations that make this project completely wrong: 1. Replacing real workers, paid ones, with virtual ones that are not paid for their time (or worse - are paying themselves for it). That's doubly unethical, on both ends of the bargain. 2. This is not for the good of humanity or the progress of science. it is all for a shared profit between medical companies, that MMOScience company, and ccp. Saying the former, is misinformation. And as such, it's unethical, too. 3. Let's not forget, the actual ethics of the medical companies themselves. I think oil companies only can compete with them on this matter. Consider their pricing, their testing procedures (both on animals and humans), their research quality (and what they hide), and all the other stuff. I don't want to help them, in any way. It's only fair because they don't care about helping anyone, either. 4. What's next? Sweeping the streets for plexes? So that municipalities can fire the sweepers and save? I don't think any of this will come to any good. Don't think I'm an extremist enviromental freak or lobbyist or whatever. I just think that all this 'volunteer' projects are just cost-reducing plans, increasing profits for some companies but reducing the actual gains (and jobs) for the community. If CCP doesn't want to be involved in the politics of the matter, let it abstain from these projects altogether.
Annia Aurel Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2016.01.23 08:33:31 - [70] - Quote This is plain awesome. Would be great to be able to toggle each color on/off independently. Some situations are not covered by the presets.
Tristan Agion Viziam Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2016.01.23 10:45:34 - [71] - Quote I've tried this, in the hope that it could be something to do for example when mining. (I do not quite feel so morally obliged to help science because, well, I am a scientist... ) Here's why I won't play this as it is now. Please feel free to correct me where I overlooked something, I played with this for only a short while... 1. The window apparently cannot be scaled up. I'm squinting at a less than postcard size interface. I see no reason why this could not be magnified to whatever size I'm comfortable with on my reasonably large screen. 2. The pictures / texts on the side, which are supposed to help feature selection are insufficient to misleading: a. The descriptions are way too short, general and vague. We need proper instructions what to look for, and in particular how to differentiate it against other, similar looking cases. b. There is a single example picture. We should have access to a dozen of examples that show the possible variety one might encounter. And sometimes these pictures are just misleading because of the lacking variety. For example, there is one with a cloud of green dots on black, but you can score correctly with the cloud of dots on say red filament. I got some "good" ticks for that. Later in the "crowd phase" I ended up being the only one ticking this. I'm not sure that I am right, of course, but I think people just got misled into thinking that the picture has to have a black background. Likewise there is colour variation, e.g., yellow instead of red filament etc. 3. The training phase with "worked examples" is way too short, and does not provide proper feedback. I was barely going over 50% by the time I got in the community phase. That gives one no confidence at all in what one is submitting. I think nobody should get into the communal scoring unless they can pass a say 70-80% threshold. And there is no real feedback, just "this was right, this was wrong, this is what you should have clicked" according to tick marks. We do not have anything like "no, this is not that, because it is not stretched our like this, see?" But this is really vital for learning (and could be automated to a large degree). 4. The community scoring phase seems like a good idea, but I found it entirely demotivating. The problem is that while I intellectually knew that I probably was doing about as well as before (so not very well, somewhat above 50%), psychologically seeing your mismatches with the community in percentage numbers just makes you feel bad. A result sheet covered in 0%-30% doesn't make me think "well, if there are a lot of people with only a 50% rate, then there will be a lot of scatter of error", it makes me think "wow, I suck". There's no positive feedback there unless one tries to chase the crowd percentage, which frankly I don't think is the point. (Basically I would not be training myself to identify the patterns, but to identify what the majority of people likes to identify, which is not the same at all unless it is a group of experts.) It is at this point that I stopped after a few rounds, thinking "this is really useless". I think there really have to be changes in this phase, or I will not be playing this. We basically need "correct" feedback, even it is delayed. So have some expert score the communal ones, and when he or she gets around to one we have done, we get that as feedback. Not what other amateurs with likely similar bad hit rates of 50% are guessing. So overall my comment would be: nice idea, bad UI and documentation, and the progression into communal scoring needs serious work. It's nor ready for TQ at all in my opinion.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 84	Posted - 2016.01.23 11:08:34 - [72] - Quote Besides the scientific importance of the project it is also fun (after one has practiced a while) to do! On the Testserver CCP said that at the moment a selection of all the 13 million images is made instead of all of them. Which leads to some pretty rare formations! I am rank 27 and now for the first time I came across a very rare and pretty Nuclear membrame I will update this post if I come across some more 'shiny' formations :) Keep on rocking CCP
Bad Messenger Rehabilitation Clinic 864	Posted - 2016.01.23 12:03:21 - [73] - Quote so we can pay sub and then we can work 'free' for some corp, best idea ever for someone.
Shegox Gabriel Angry Angels Constructions IT'S ONLY PIXELS 4	Posted - 2016.01.23 12:20:13 - [74] - Quote Is there anything planned about CREST support for this? It would be awesome to allow players to do this when they have real life spare/waiting time. Also it would allow for some a customizing of the pictures (red/green blindness and such things) Kind Regards
Shegox Gabriel Angry Angels Constructions IT'S ONLY PIXELS 4	Posted - 2016.01.23 12:26:09 - [75] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: Besides the scientific importance of the project it is also fun (after one has practiced a while) to do! On the Testserver CCP said that at the moment a selection of all the 13 million images is made instead of all of them. Which leads to some pretty rare formations! I am rank 27 and now and have come across some very rare and pretty formations, like the Nuclear membrame I will update this post if I come across some more 'shiny' and clear formations :) Mitochondria Nucleoli Nuclear membrame The very rare cytokinetic bridge Keep on rocking CCP EDIT: It seems ranks are also fixed now, including the badges Is it right that you have about 150k SOE LP then ? So about 300-400mio ISK converted? How long does it take you ?
Mister Ripley Ministry of War Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2016.01.23 12:28:18 - [76] - Quote Can you please make the zoom are a little bit smaller than the actual image. It's kinda hard to zoom around at the corners and edges. Selecting a filter and switching back to one you already have downloaded will suddenly change the active filter as soon as the previously selected filter image is downloaded.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 84	Posted - 2016.01.23 12:52:44 - [77] - Quote Shegox Gabriel wrote: Is it right that you have about 150k SOE LP then ? So about 300-400mio ISK converted? How long does it take you ? Indeed, I have 152K SoE LP at the moment along with 30M ISK (consisting of 12~ pages in my wallet...). I started yesterday after it came out. I had some trouble doing it at first because the tutorial does not quite cover it. And meanwhile we were discussing feedback SiSi and Morwen's stream with CCP Wonderboy. In the end I had about 50K LP This morning I went ahead and did about 4 hours of Project Discovery netting me an additional 100K LP. Keep in mind that my pace this morning was way higher than yesterday. Still with some more practice I believe this can be upped a bit. With some side stuff like browsing the internet, forums and EVE posts I managed to complete a image every 1.6 minutes (giving 50K ISK and 250 LP). This gives an average of 25K SoE LP per hour alongside 5M ISK. Converted at...lets take a 1:2.3 factor, that is 62.5M per hour. Keep in mind that this can be done faster! Also if I had known what to do at the beginning my accuracy would have been higher which directly influences the payout. Currently this is not changed all that much because not to many people do it.
Tom Kavees KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2016.01.23 13:13:47 - [78] - Quote I feel that the tutorial should be modified to more clearly say something along the lines of "You are assigning the image to one or more categories. Click on the category to indicate that you are 100% sure you see it anywhere in this image". Few slides with protips and/or common mistakes wouldn't hurt either. Others have already mentioned some other possible improvements, like the UI being resizable and so on. Awesome work, keep it up CCP! :)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3451	Posted - 2016.01.23 14:14:07 - [79] - Quote Now read carefully because I will not repeat myself. I am completely new to this. My first run. From perspective of a lab monkey. First of all its in "business" part of Neocom? I think it should be excluded to the Neocom menu "main" category. Second, upon opening, I can see a window with this agent, but I can also do stuff behind this window. I should not be able to do that. Just make the stuff in the window behind show only when someone will click "Start Tutorial" button, just like when you want to repeat it with "Help", when this stuff is gone for a second, but the stuff should be showing after you click "Start Tutorial". Next, The tutorial is not helping really much explaining what the hell you have to do. 1. "Look for formations of green coloring" ok found, but why only green? Why green is relevant and red for example not? Somebody knows? Please elaborate. Continue. 2. "Match the sample image with category." Category? What you mean by that? You meen match emerging green pattern (shape) in sample with hexagonal block in which green pattern looks most similar? Ufff... BUT: we categorize by green coloring only why? I clicked the one that was available and looked ok-ish. I really feel like a lab monkey now... "Where put square peg? Oh you mean this square hole? Why dont you say so... Sheesh, humans...Monkey see, monkey do." Continue. 3. Nucleus (category?) "Pertains"..... I am bamboozled, is this a word in english? I had to look up in dictionary, ok it means "relates to", ok. Nucleus Relates to staining inside the nucleus (colored blue) What relates? Why the hell It is bothering me with blue now? Green coloring relates to blue part of the image? Green peg matching green hole in blue area??? I think so. Why dont you explain it thoroughly, Human? I cant click anything. But I should be caring about green only, I think? Continue. 4. Ok, I already selected this part. Its about red now, is red relevant in some way also? I suppose its the same like in previous category. Is green only relevant here also? I dont know why you mention red, but I think green is the way to go, because it was first mentioned we categorize with it. Continue. 5. Two categories more, I see they are completely unrelated to the sample, "The not identifiable is suspicious, looks like you really dont know what it is human? Looks like my monkey dandruff, but I am afraid its something nastier..." Continue. 6. After talking about colors, we can now choose the ones we want, it means we can get rid of red or blue. That means it is easier to distinguish in relation to nucleus and cytoplasm? Ok. I get it. Monkey see, monkey do. 7. Werified? Who will weryfy it? Are you going to give it to some other monkey? I want my bananas now! 8. My rank. As we know Monkeys are ranked. Does better rank means better bananas? 9. Accuracy rating. Mmmm more bananas... If I deserve it.... 10. History ....I also had monkey ancestors, like you Human 11. Help Fortunately I can spam it so much as I want, to guess what it is all about. 12 the test!!! It looks like Vesicles hex, its too much green in the Cytoplasm hex. I am going with vesicles. Wrong!!? Must be the other one. Yeah its the one! Ok, next one... OK! Next, looks somewhat like cytoplasm but and membrane also, I will mark two! WOW, perfect match, how is it posible? What If I choose only membrane? Next: weak or uniform? I would say weak. Aaaaand.... nooo, Its uniform. But it was also weak! A TRAP! Next, vasicles plus nucleoplasm, but the categories images are somewhat not matching 100%, nevermind... Next: Nucleoplasm and plasma membrane. Next: Microtubule center or centrosome? I will go with centrosome. WRONG! Must be those red microtubules, that would explain everything.. Hmmmm.... Are you serious? This 1000 points animation is tooooooo looooong. I have them in my bank account??? And again this stuff behind agent window.... Change the way category image zoom vanishes! When you take away mouse pointer from hex, it should vanish always, not sometimes. I dont feel like a scientist now. I feel like a beta tester... ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht Every part of a game helps to tell a story.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3451	Posted - 2016.01.23 15:12:58 - [80] - Quote And remove a reward completely when someone makes mistake. curently you can just click like crazy and you ill get the ridiculous amounts of SP.. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht Every part of a game helps to tell a story.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 84	Posted - 2016.01.23 16:09:11 - [81] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: And remove a reward completely when someone makes mistake. curently you can just click like crazy and you ill get the ridiculous amounts of SP.. Well quite
Charlie Corday Republic University Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2016.01.23 17:57:00 - [82] - Quote This doesn't seem particularly exciting. Personally I'd rather see more spaceships and additional pve content.
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1442	Posted - 2016.01.23 17:58:58 - [83] - Quote Haven't had a chance to look at this. But, I did find an example of this project's uses at http://book.bionumbers.org/how-many-ribosomal-rna-gene-copies-are-in-the-genome/ Near the bottom you can see an image that is credited to Protein Atlas. I also clearly states which structures are which colors. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 84	Posted - 2016.01.23 18:11:24 - [84] - Quote Charlie Corday wrote: This doesn't seem particularly exciting. Personally I'd rather see more spaceships and additional pve content. Actually I think it is exciting from both a game perspective and a real life perspective. By doing this you contribute to a real life science database which is used by scientist to tackle diseases. From a game perspective, you will see more spaceships. Since it has been released on SiSi I have made 50M ISK and 250K SoE LP. With that I can buy a stratios, or a few Astero's. Or just convert it to ISK and buy spaceships with it! All the while this can be done anywhere. Waiting for a fleet to form? Play Project Discovery! Mining away in highsec? Play Project Discovery! I agree that from a face up view it is not a spaceship that you can fly. But it will give every player that has to wait 10-15 minutes an additional ISK/LP boost which will allow them to fly more spaceships :) I think that is a very good thing indeed
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 3458	Posted - 2016.01.23 19:08:24 - [85] - Quote It sure feels like you are matching pictures with other pictures. Exciting?? Not quite. Its disputable. For me? Hell no. But maybe if I can get labcoat? I would sit thru it from time to time, but for the love of everything scientific, make it so it will reward you for something you do ok, not badly. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht Every part of a game helps to tell a story.
Zappity Black Aces I N F A M O U S 2626	Posted - 2016.01.23 20:48:21 - [86] - Quote To each their own. Additional pve content sounds very boring to me but I understand that some would enjoy it. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Demica Diaz SE-1 189	Posted - 2016.01.24 10:47:34 - [87] - Quote I tried it on test server. Took me no time to learn and once got use to "patterns" I started to get more correct ansvers. Cute little minigame. Gives people to earn LP's and ISK while waiting I guess. I just wish that it isnt all about SoE. Eden has many medical/science NPC corps. If possible in future would be nice to add some other NPC corps seeking for "help". Also needs LABCOAT for player characters!
Natya Mebelle Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 314	Posted - 2016.01.24 11:28:23 - [88] - Quote Darkblad wrote: Takes [ages\|forever] to load anything. Me being a Telekom customer (known bandwidth issues for cloudfront/amazon hosted content) may be the reason. The Lack of traversing the tutorial backwards is weird - but ... tutorials? why no opportunities for this? Because they probably will not touch opportunities again (as they barely have) because that would require some big work to fix them and intersect them again with the content of what career agents alongside Aura had to offer. Opportunities are flat out broken, and I rather have CCP use a specific tutorial until they decide to axe through them instead of poking Opportunities with a stick randomly. I hope the feedback that players are giving here about Project Discovery will provide that "minigame" to become good and useful, especially since it is tied to science. Because if CCP slacks here, they might be held accountable for diluting the database with wrong information. Just a thought c:
shwing shwing Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.01.24 12:37:07 - [89] - Quote Really need a colorblind mode, anyone who is red-green colorblind WILL NOT be able to successfully do this mini-game.
Ahuraa Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.01.24 13:20:56 - [90] - Quote What i have understood from the game is that the only thing we should look for is the green in each category, the proteins. The goal is to match the sample image on the left with the options on the right. The sample image contain more than one cell, so when selecting the options on the right, it is possible that the cells in the sample image may differ from each other. My exclusion method was as such. Nucleus: In some samples the protein in the nucleus could differ much from other sample images. Some nucleus were green (assuming this means they had many protein), and some were blue (contained less protein. (Assuming).). When excluding the options for nucleus (9 options), thanks to this blue or green properties, i could narrow down the options much better. in most images instantly several options were excluded. Cytoplasm: The exclusion method was much harder here, there are too many options and to many cells to compare. A image with 8 cells, and 13 options to look at, makes this part of the identification much harder. (some cells look alike and sometimes you don't have all 13 options) In my opinion the researchers or someone that have previously worked with this part of the reserch need to explain little more about their experiences. Maybe there are other method that i don't know of, i'm certain people that have done this job have many small tips that can help me. Which parts are easy and which are very hard? Is it possible, for example, to identify Nucleus in just seconds? How long does it take for a researcher to do same thing? When should i use the the other coloring options? Why should i change the coloring? When doing the tutorial i failed most of the samples.
Moloney Mass Effect Enterprises 187	Posted - 2016.01.24 14:35:30 - [91] - Quote Hi, I have been playing around with the feature on SISI and noticed that the isk reward is trivial, around 50k wouldn't buy a shuttle in most areas of space. It takes about 4min to have a decent look at each picture (Still not getting everything correct) but that implies 750k isk per hour and between 3750 and 6500LP. The 6500 LP is completely unrealistic since once you get something wrong you will be spending a damn long time getting your % accuracy back up to anything close to 100 Short story is that I do not feel like I would take part in this aspect of the game further than the current tests that I have run out of interest. The rewards are insufficient compared to too many other things I could be doing.
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 80	Posted - 2016.01.24 15:41:24 - [92] - Quote Could be fun to develop an algorithm that does this. Isolate the parameters that makes a protein "normal".
dhunpael 52	Posted - 2016.01.24 16:14:20 - [93] - Quote Hi, I like it a lot, but maybe you want to include other factions as well? You can link this to other but simular "mini games"? This helps in the roleplay game and with a steady market (no collapse due to more lp). And as always please make this accessible for CREST? These kind of things are awesome if you can do them out of game as well. (Same as PI etc)
Friendly Corpse Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists 23	Posted - 2016.01.25 08:32:41 - [94] - Quote I think it only fair to make a humble request given my time to assist with this awesome project, and the results that will help everyone. As Jane McGonigal states something very similar in her TedTalks video. Link: http://janemcgonigal.com/ Can my earned LP be traded in for a SoE Guardian SKin? I'm sure I'll be pushing my luck to get the "nee naw!!" sound effect. But hey, totes worth a try. +1 for doing this project. o7 Expect The WorstGäó
Terra Chrall Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2016.01.25 17:04:42 - [95] - Quote CCP RedDawn wrote: Midori Tsu wrote: What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating? Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample. So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP. Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course) Will any skills influence LP payout as certain social skills currently do for missions?
Anna Tomy Caille University Art Faculty Haven. 8	Posted - 2016.01.26 15:20:06 - [96] - Quote Ergentii Juhar wrote: In summary, there are certain ethical considerations that make this project completely wrong: 1. Replacing real workers, paid ones, with virtual ones that are not paid for their time (or worse - are paying themselves for it). That's doubly unethical, on both ends of the bargain. 2. This is not for the good of humanity or the progress of science. it is all for a shared profit between medical companies, that MMOScience company, and ccp. Saying the former, is misinformation. And as such, it's unethical, too. 3. Let's not forget, the actual ethics of the medical companies themselves. I think oil companies only can compete with them on this matter. Consider their pricing, their testing procedures (both on animals and humans), their research quality (and what they hide), and all the other stuff. I don't want to help them, in any way. It's only fair because they don't care about helping anyone, either. 4. What's next? Sweeping the streets for plexes? So that municipalities can fire the sweepers and save? I don't think any of this will come to any good. Don't think I'm an extremist enviromental freak or lobbyist or whatever. I just think that all this 'volunteer' projects are just cost-reducing plans, increasing profits for some companies but reducing the actual gains (and jobs) for the community. If CCP doesn't want to be involved in the politics of the matter, let it abstain from these projects altogether. While I do share your sentiment towards big pharma corporations (or big corporations in general), I don't see big moral issues in this case: 1.) Human Protein Atlas: "The publication and/or presentation are solely for informational and non-commercial purposes." I'd rather help an open, public project than see a private owned, commercial company withholding their research. 2.) We don't actually "kill jobs" by doing this. As far as I understand, scientists are only recently working with this massive amount of data. We are talking about 13 Mil images. It's not a "trend to reduce real workers" because in the past nobody was doing this kind of work in this massive dimensions. It's also stated that categorizing those images is nothing a Computer farm can do easily, so we not even "help to cut the costs" on this side. I, obviously, assume that MMOS and Protein Atlas don't lie about their intentions. I'm looking forward to this! Having such projects as (optional) minigames instead of the hacking minigame would be cool!
Raamah Eschelon Directive 1	Posted - 2016.01.26 17:31:13 - [97] - Quote This will open on one of my screens 100% of the time once it goes live. Almost more exciting than citadels.
Josef Djugashvilis 3224	Posted - 2016.01.27 19:17:01 - [98] - Quote For the less intellectual of us (me) what, in idiot terms, do I need to do to participate when it is up and running. I am not interesed in the reward part, just willing to do my bit for science. This is not a signature.
MAS0RAKSH Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture 1	Posted - 2016.01.28 03:26:29 - [99] - Quote very interested, but 1700 is 10 am for a Californian who loves science and wouldn't mind 2 mil Sp for helping out. 0200 eve time would let US players with day jobs be a part without having to risk their job playing eve at work. Throw me 2 mil SP for really wanting to be there, but "Chronologically Challenged".
Jenshae Chiroptera 2501	Posted - 2016.01.28 20:20:21 - [100] - Quote Great work, CCP. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Kata Amentis Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2016.01.29 02:06:39 - [101] - Quote It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm Curiosity killed the Kata... ... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count.
Minnerma The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.01.30 17:48:51 - [102] - Quote PD is almost PhD. So it's very interesting to be a part of something useful for all mankind. I've tried a minigame at Sisi, and I have to say that it pretty interesting and hard. GJ, CCP.
Dusty 3allvalve Generic Reproductions 9	Posted - 2016.01.31 04:03:52 - [103] - Quote Despite not receiving a single point of the promised 2MM, I liked the project. Now I keep checkin' back to see if the test server is up, that I might see it again. I'll see if I can't find similar somewhere else online until it's here. Thanks to everyone involved.
Warlord Balrog 303rd X-SOLDIER 1	Posted - 2016.02.08 15:24:41 - [104] - Quote NorthCrossroad wrote: Great idea, have to say! Not sure, but not a single other MMO did anything like it. While there are plenty ways to participate in similar projects without playing EVE, have to say that it's a great way to get people involved into such projects. Will see how it plays out, but would be great to integrate these tasks to missions or archeology systems. As a suggestion - add some items to the faction store that will require the science rating and won't be accessible otherwise. Some unique ships skins/archeology equipment/implants would be really nice. North And you can't trade or pilot them without the rating!
Tecka Grethys Ban Industries Inc. Moist. 5	Posted - 2016.02.19 15:30:35 - [105] - Quote o/ I tried to find the Discovery project app on Sisi but could not find it. Someone in the Help chat told me it was not unabled yet. Do you know when it's supposed to be up ?
Rat Scout Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2016.02.19 16:23:12 - [106] - Quote This is great, I have some midterms and whatnot coming up but I will try to participate. There is one thing I would have liked on the page describing the project, a simple share button for the most used social media sites.
Michael Lincoln Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.02.22 11:41:53 - [107] - Quote Do rules for one classification group affect the others? For example: If a sample shows signs of cytoplasmic vesicles which, by description can never appear within the nucleus that then means that it can never be any of the nucleus groups, right? I would assume that if that's true then nucleus selections should be ghosted out if you select it. The fact that I may be unintentionally but consistently wrong made me think of something else: If there are certain players like myself with perhaps a misunderstanding of a fundamental rule like that, then surely we shouldn't be seeing the other player's best guesses. I'd much rather see the selections of the most accurate players (and maybe as a counterpoint, the least accurate players). I feel like my accuracy should be rigorously tested with almost as many preknown test questions popping up as the real ones so as to constantly reweigh the likelihood or weight of my answers. I can foresee a lot of attempts at cookie clickering this thing and that's generally the way mechanical turkish type jobs weed out that sort of activity. Coming back again to the other player guesses issue, I find myself fighting herd mentality (even though I might be wrong) but seeing other players' guesses definitely affects your own choices. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if this goes live and our accuracy is checked as often as it is now and accuracy doesn't heavily influence the other player consensus as a factor then cookie clickers could start a horrible follow the leader trend and create absolute garbage data where we all just try to match whatever we think the other players would analyse the image as. It might not even be malicious.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 157	Posted - 2016.02.28 08:40:08 - [108] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: We are excited to give you an update about Project Discovery, the real life Human Protein Research project in EVE Online. Project Discovery is waiting for you on the test server Singularity and we invite you to start testing this feature! Please read more about this great initiative in CCP Scarpia's dev blog Project Discovery needs You! and provide plenty of feedback. Real life scientist is more like it. I'm not so much in research without approval by government. However, that doesn't mean that I cannot do study with government approval, like study cases... For instance, if I start research with approval and it is then waived, I would use it for legit case study. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 168	Posted - 2016.03.02 01:53:24 - [109] - Quote I thought this was some missions users participated in and that was completed for the Injector project or something like that. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Untanas Volmyr Perkone Caldari State 31	Posted - 2016.03.08 04:07:27 - [110] - Quote As said in the post above, folding at home was something I heard about a few years back. It takes your space cpu cycles and calculates protein folding. For those who may not of known about it but are curious to contribute to it. The website is https://folding.stanford.edu/ Another website that also uses the same method of spare cpu cycles is with SETI. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ I'm excited to see this come to a point that it is now part of a game. Another one I found myself dabbling with is for mapping the human brain. http://eyewire.org/explore Lots of things to multitask while you shoot space rocks! Murphy's Technology Law - If your not thoroughly confused. Then you were not thoroughly informed.
Nakaara Adahsa Deep Void Enterprises 23	Posted - 2016.03.09 12:05:48 - [111] - Quote I'm glad to see this feature released finally. I've been pretty unhappy with a lot of the changes your devs have been making to the game lately. This is one of the few good ideas you've had in recent months. Hopefully some real benefit to science comes out of this. Thanks CCP.
Arline Kley PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 640	Posted - 2016.03.09 19:28:03 - [112] - Quote Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm Just to say I've had this a few times - it seems to be displaying the results of samples from previous submissions in that session, thusly counting those as your answers, even though they are not. So far it seems closing it and reopening it after every submission seems to clear it out. "For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North 20	Posted - 2016.03.09 20:31:12 - [113] - Quote I'd like to be able to make the interface bigger, I'm old and blind, thx.
Robbert Dole Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2016.03.09 21:28:20 - [114] - Quote 1.) It needs a skip option because every once in a while you get a picture that is completely beyond you so why punish you for guessing and taint your results by complete guesses? 2.) I like how you get judged on everyone else's failures... "40% of people said its something it 100% completely obviously isn't because it has got alot of green so you're wrong. Here have a punishment /accuracy degredaation while you're at it" 3.) What protections from abuse does it have? What is keeping every kid (lets be honest some legit kids play eve) from going and clicking the first thing their mouse comes to and making the most out of it until their accuracy/rewards are destroyed? 4.) The 'tutorial' really really is not helpful/adequate. It needs to include a brief description of what you're actually looking for and a cells 101 firstly. Secondly it needs to better explain the mechanics, ie. a picture can have multiple correct attributes and a more in depth explanation of how accuracy works. (there is a picture and you correctly identify 3 attributes out of 4... what happens to your accuracy?) --Edited for typos and expanded upon
Jeven HouseBenyo Fifty Shades of Funkyness LLC 374	Posted - 2016.03.10 00:11:28 - [115] - Quote Untanas Volmyr wrote: As said in the post above, folding at home was something I heard about a few years back. It takes your space cpu cycles and calculates protein folding. For those who may not of known about it but are curious to contribute to it. The website is https://folding.stanford.edu/ Another website that also uses the same method of spare cpu cycles is with SETI. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ I'm excited to see this come to a point that it is now part of a game. Another one I found myself dabbling with is for mapping the human brain. http://eyewire.org/explore Lots of things to multitask while you shoot space rocks! The Folding Home option was on the PS3 when it first was released for sales. Too bad it's long since been removed. If I remember correctly, it allowed use of the console's CPU and other hardware for extra computing space during low use time periods. I just left the console powered up when I went to sleep or out and about so it was available. Can't however remember which project it was assisting with at that time, I've slept since then. Once TQv3 server quits choking on ProjectDiscovery's usage I'll give it a try. >Jeven Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Forrae Deren Wraith.Wing Get Off My Lawn 2	Posted - 2016.03.10 03:24:17 - [116] - Quote Are there plans to integrate other citizen science projects into this? I think a collaboration with GalaxyZoo would be interesting. Similar concept as the protein identification, just with classifying galaxies. Would fit into Eve quite nice too... That said, the system in now is pretty interesting. Definitely something to kill some time with and feel like you're doing something useful. I've always found these sorts of things quite entertaining. There are a few things I would like a bit better clarified, such as how accuracy affects rewards and how it can be adjusted. Also, some of the classifications can be a little tricky, but that could just be something that experience will work out. As a side note, it's kind of funny actually seeing an experience bar in Eve.... Untanas Volmyr wrote: As said in the post above, folding at home was something I heard about a few years back. It takes your space cpu cycles and calculates protein folding. For those who may not of known about it but are curious to contribute to it. The website is https://folding.stanford.edu/ Another website that also uses the same method of spare cpu cycles is with SETI. http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ I'm excited to see this come to a point that it is now part of a game. Another one I found myself dabbling with is for mapping the human brain. http://eyewire.org/explore Lots of things to multitask while you shoot space rocks! I actually used to do SETI@home and Milkway@home. Need to reinstall the BOINC client sometime soon, but it would actually be pretty neat to see projects like these integrated into Eve in some way. It wouldn't really be interactive, sure, but it would be interesting to see what kind of ways it could be integrated.
Axhind Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 100	Posted - 2016.03.10 12:37:56 - [117] - Quote Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm I got similar issue: Result But if we look at the description for "wrong" answer: Wrong answer And compare to "correct" answer: Correct answer Not sure if it's my eyes or what but the image to classify does not look evenly distributed in any way or form nor is there enough of green to really fit the nuclear speckles (all examples show far more staining than my image). PS: I think I'll ask a few colleagues to check what they think as they are used to doing this stuff.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3040	Posted - 2016.03.10 12:41:08 - [118] - Quote It's obvious people are spamming incorrect results, and the incorrect results spam is getting real attempts marked inaccurate because of 'majority' vote. A simple fix to this would be to move the percentage at which you get the 'unknown' images from 50% to at least 75%, so people really working on it don't have to deal with as many people spamming, since the spammers will not be pushing 75% easily, while 50% is pretty easy to bounce on.
Oktura Ostus Wicked Privateers Smile 'n' Wave 10	Posted - 2016.03.10 13:29:35 - [119] - Quote I have to say, Discovery project is another example, when community plays in inexpected way thrashing any rules purposed by CCP. Current popular logic to solve samples is following: 1. green on blue? Select first choise in first row (nucleus) 2. green on red? Select first choise in second row (cytoplasm). 3. Submit. And it works, because majority of people do this and they got concensuss and raising accuracy. Those who tries to think or (majority: OMG!) use color filters to find some holes (majority: what is it?) will get accuracy penalty because they don't follow rules of majority. This is my first sample today: 100081122, and there is no "big ball that overlaps with blue marker and evenly stained" and there is no "green that covers cell, except nucleus", there are clear and visible clusters inside holes, but who cares? Nucleus and cytoplasm wins. Here is screenrecord where I toggle filters on the sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpHOz-86AQ8 Yesterday I stopped when hit 2 clear error answers (again nucleus and cytoplasm). So I have to either start following those rules too, or ... I don't know. Why I should try to do good job if popular error answers either way will win? If it's not goal of the project to sort all samples in 4 categories (nothing, green on blue, green on red, green on both), then may be let's freeze it now, before whole community get used to follow those simple rules?
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 73	Posted - 2016.03.10 14:48:12 - [120] - Quote Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm I am getting this more times than I can count and it is beginning to **** me off. I'm going to take the suggestion someone else mentioned and close/reopen after every submission to see if that helps.
Michael Lincoln Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:56:52 - [121] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: It's obvious people are spamming incorrect results, and the incorrect results spam is getting real attempts marked inaccurate because of 'majority' vote. A simple fix to this would be to move the percentage at which you get the 'unknown' images from 50% to at least 75%, so people really working on it don't have to deal with as many people spamming, since the spammers will not be pushing 75% easily, while 50% is pretty easy to bounce on. You somehow managed to say what I was trying to without it coming out gibberish. Exactly this. Glad someone else coherently said it!
MachineOfLovingGrace The Bastards The Bastards. 32	Posted - 2016.03.10 19:35:11 - [122] - Quote I'd be happy to try it on TQ, but i can't get through the tutorial - it just stops loading at some point, and I need to start from zero every time I close the window.
Iwata s WiNGSPAN Delivery Services The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.03.10 20:18:35 - [123] - Quote Hi I have a few bug reports for project discovery. 1st is sometimes it keeps giving the same answer for new slides as the previous slide despite what box's were ticked in the current slide. this means some people will be getting the slide correct and the results will be saying that there getting them wrong which would lead to incorrect data being processed once people are submitting real slides. secondly is on occasions after completing a slide no results information will be shown and it will not allow you to continue further I am not sure if this is just a load issue and maybe linked to the issue stated above. I am further unsure if this is just an incident with me or if others are having the same issue and just not noticing. but I would hate for cells to be incorrectly labeled due to people being unsure what is what due to an error with the results screen as this will not only effect the research but also peoples accuracy rating and enjoyment. Kindest Regards Iwata S Delivery Agent
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 216	Posted - 2016.03.11 02:07:46 - [124] - Quote Iwata s wrote: Hi I have a few bug reports for project discovery. ... thanks but I think bug reports go in another forum. Please make sure to refer to it there. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Beta Maoye 103	Posted - 2016.03.11 02:47:48 - [125] - Quote The results of community consensus makes me begin to doubt about the average IQ of our community. The poor accuracy evaluation system drives off players who have contributed real efforts in analyzing the slides. To improve the positive feedback of accuracy, I think the mini game needs more control slides with known results to filter out spammers. Players with less than 50% correct rate on control slides should not have their choices be counted in the community consensus. People playing this mini game is not because of isk. They can make a hundred times more isk by doing other activities in the game. They are doing this because they think it has significance and they can contribute for the good of humanity. The best reward for them is they are told that other players are marking effort in the project and got the same results as they do. It is important to make sure that the accuracy evaluation system truly reflects the scientific accuracy which requires time and effort instead of spamming.

HPA Darkfield Oramara Polaris Corporation 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 09:34:24 - [126] - Quote Zepheros Naeonis wrote: Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm I am getting this more times than I can count and it is beginning to **** me off. I'm going to take the suggestion someone else mentioned and close/reopen after every submission to see if that helps. EDIT: http://i.imgtc.com/LDtorSg8cF.png Don't mind my answer, I should have just skipped it honestly. 100% selected Cytoplasm when it clearly states that it is "seen throughout the entire cell EXCEPT FOR THE NUCLEUS (blue part)". The Nucleus is completely riddled with the cytoplasm, so how is Cytoplasm even an option in this case? I am either completely lost in my understanding of how picking between the groups works or this is just a spam fest of amazing proportions. http://i.imgtc.com/8NYTqicNoS.png HOLY FACEPALM Community consensus needs to be scrubbed asap. I'm sorry to say, but there should be someone at least reviewing a sample after a certain number of submissions to determine whether they are on the right track or not. They are going to receive so many flawed results it isn't even funny. As one of the researchers for this project I would say that your first image looks like a plasma membrane staining, together with nucleoli (and maybe also an additional cytoplasmic and nuclear staining, hard to tell when not being able to toggle the different channels). The point is however that there's very common that the protein is located to two organelles or more, which means that a cell with both cytoplasmic and nuclear staining will have staining in both the area overlapping with the red and the blue marker. The descriptions of the different locations are only true if there would be a cytoplasmic staining only. This is a bit tricky of course, but usually the different stainings don't have the exact same intensity which might make it possible to differentiate them. I agree that the second image would rather be labeled as vesicles, but I can't really tell what the consensus for that location is from the image. And what we have seen from the result from the test server is that you guys actually are doing really good!

HPA Darkfield Oramara Polaris Corporation 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 09:40:18 - [127] - Quote Iwata s wrote: Hi I have a few bug reports for project discovery. 1st is sometimes it keeps giving the same answer for new slides as the previous slide despite what box's were ticked in the current slide. this means some people will be getting the slide correct and the results will be saying that there getting them wrong which would lead to incorrect data being processed once people are submitting real slides. secondly is on occasions after completing a slide no results information will be shown and it will not allow you to continue further I am not sure if this is just a load issue and maybe linked to the issue stated above. I am further unsure if this is just an incident with me or if others are having the same issue and just not noticing. but I would hate for cells to be incorrectly labeled due to people being unsure what is what due to an error with the results screen as this will not only effect the research but also peoples accuracy rating and enjoyment. Kindest Regards Iwata S Delivery Agent Thanks for noticing! We are aware of the first problem and we have notified CCP about it. And our servers have been under pretty high pressure since we launched the game, so the loading issues might be because of that.
HPA Darkfield Oramara Polaris Corporation 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 09:46:41 - [128] - Quote Beta Maoye wrote: The results of community consensus makes me begin to doubt about the average IQ of our community. The poor accuracy evaluation system drives off players who have contributed real efforts in analyzing the slides. To improve the positive feedback of accuracy, I think the mini game needs more control slides with known results to filter out spammers. Players with less than 50% correct rate on control slides should not have their choices be counted in the community consensus. People playing this mini game is not because of isk. They can make a hundred times more isk by doing other activities in the game. They are doing this because they think it has significance and they can contribute for the good of humanity. The best reward for them is they are told that other players are marking effort in the project and got the same results as they do. It is important to make sure that the accuracy evaluation system truly reflects the scientific accuracy which requires time and effort instead of spamming. We do have samples that we know the answer to, and we are able to filter away the players that either get a majority of these wrong and also those who choose the same locations over and over. But as long as you do your best we are really interested in what you see in the images, and you are probably going to spot things that we have missed!
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 74	Posted - 2016.03.11 11:22:35 - [129] - Quote HPA Darkfield Oramara wrote: Zepheros Naeonis wrote: Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm I am getting this more times than I can count and it is beginning to **** me off. I'm going to take the suggestion someone else mentioned and close/reopen after every submission to see if that helps. EDIT: http://i.imgtc.com/LDtorSg8cF.png Don't mind my answer, I should have just skipped it honestly. 100% selected Cytoplasm when it clearly states that it is "seen throughout the entire cell EXCEPT FOR THE NUCLEUS (blue part)". The Nucleus is completely riddled with the cytoplasm, so how is Cytoplasm even an option in this case? I am either completely lost in my understanding of how picking between the groups works or this is just a spam fest of amazing proportions. http://i.imgtc.com/8NYTqicNoS.png HOLY FACEPALM Community consensus needs to be scrubbed asap. I'm sorry to say, but there should be someone at least reviewing a sample after a certain number of submissions to determine whether they are on the right track or not. They are going to receive so many flawed results it isn't even funny. As one of the researchers for this project I would say that your first image looks like a plasma membrane staining, together with nucleoli (and maybe also an additional cytoplasmic and nuclear staining, hard to tell when not being able to toggle the different channels). The point is however that there's very common that the protein is located to two organelles or more, which means that a cell with both cytoplasmic and nuclear staining will have staining in both the area overlapping with the red and the blue marker. The descriptions of the different locations are only true if there would be a cytoplasmic staining only. This is a bit tricky of course, but usually the different stainings don't have the exact same intensity which might make it possible to differentiate them. I agree that the second image would rather be labeled as vesicles, but I can't really tell what the consensus for that location is from the image. And what we have seen from the result from the test server is that you guys actually are doing really good! This clarification regarding Cytoplasm and nuclear staining helps out a lot, thank you. Also, the consensus was mostly visible, but the main reason I pointed it out was the 60% selection for Cytoplasm when it is clearly Vesticles, if anything. (Which was my choice). I don't recall now if that was the remainding 20% for Cytoplasmic categories. Thank you for the response. I find it unusual that the test server turned out so positive when it seems completely opposite on TQ. I hope the Project Discovery team continues to evaluate the results and make adjustments so that spammers aren't benefiting from the accuracy gains while the rest of us scratch our heads.
HPA Darkfield Oramara Polaris Corporation 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 12:41:43 - [130] - Quote Zepheros Naeonis wrote: HPA Darkfield Oramara wrote: Zepheros Naeonis wrote: Kata Amentis wrote: It's quite interesting, but some of the "correct" results don't make sense from either a description or sample image stand point. For example Baffled edit: More Baffled Could someone explain how that is the right answer? asymmetrical bloby/tubular compared to the "correct" symmetrical vainy/web. Is that "correct" in the sense that an above average number of people on sisi clicked on it, so we're being penalised because people are just clicking through carelessly? a bug? naff data in the project? etc. edit: couple of samples later, I get something almost the same as before "ok, it was this last time..." wrong.... erm I am getting this more times than I can count and it is beginning to **** me off. I'm going to take the suggestion someone else mentioned and close/reopen after every submission to see if that helps. EDIT: http://i.imgtc.com/LDtorSg8cF.png Don't mind my answer, I should have just skipped it honestly. 100% selected Cytoplasm when it clearly states that it is "seen throughout the entire cell EXCEPT FOR THE NUCLEUS (blue part)". The Nucleus is completely riddled with the cytoplasm, so how is Cytoplasm even an option in this case? I am either completely lost in my understanding of how picking between the groups works or this is just a spam fest of amazing proportions. http://i.imgtc.com/8NYTqicNoS.png HOLY FACEPALM Community consensus needs to be scrubbed asap. I'm sorry to say, but there should be someone at least reviewing a sample after a certain number of submissions to determine whether they are on the right track or not. They are going to receive so many flawed results it isn't even funny. As one of the researchers for this project I would say that your first image looks like a plasma membrane staining, together with nucleoli (and maybe also an additional cytoplasmic and nuclear staining, hard to tell when not being able to toggle the different channels). The point is however that there's very common that the protein is located to two organelles or more, which means that a cell with both cytoplasmic and nuclear staining will have staining in both the area overlapping with the red and the blue marker. The descriptions of the different locations are only true if there would be a cytoplasmic staining only. This is a bit tricky of course, but usually the different stainings don't have the exact same intensity which might make it possible to differentiate them. I agree that the second image would rather be labeled as vesicles, but I can't really tell what the consensus for that location is from the image. And what we have seen from the result from the test server is that you guys actually are doing really good! This clarification regarding Cytoplasm and nuclear staining helps out a lot, thank you. Also, the consensus was mostly visible, but the main reason I pointed it out was the 60% selection for Cytoplasm when it is clearly Vesticles, if anything. (Which was my choice). I don't recall now if that was the remainding 20% for Cytoplasmic categories. Thank you for the response. I find it unusual that the test server turned out so positive when it seems completely opposite on TQ. I hope the Project Discovery team continues to evaluate the results and make adjustments so that spammers aren't benefiting from the accuracy gains while the rest of us scratch our heads. I'm glad it helped! We will of course keep track of how well you are doing and also keep taking your inputs into account! This is however not an easy task we have been giving you, so I'm expecting the consensus to improve (even though it's way far from bad already, most classifications are fine) with time. It takes a while to learn what to look for and to get a feeling for all the different stainings. Trust me, I'm basing this on my own experience
Azerath Phantom Squad The Blood Covenant 7	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:06:46 - [131] - Quote Normally I dont post on the forums, but I got to take the time to say Project Discovery is absolutely horrible. Almost impossible to get them even if you spend allot of time and effort on it, 8 times out of 10 its magically wrong. Very poor waste of time and resources CCP.
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 74	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:22:11 - [132] - Quote HPA Darkfield Oramara wrote: I'm glad it helped! We will of course keep track of how well you are doing and also keep taking your inputs into account! This is however not an easy task we have been giving you, so I'm expecting the consensus to improve (even though it's way far from bad already, most classifications are fine) with time. It takes a while to learn what to look for and to get a feeling for all the different stainings. Trust me, I'm basing this on my own experience Understandable. I am noticing a bigger improvement with just today's rounds compared to yesterday. Seems to be going a lot more smoothly for me and I can see this improving the community concensus results over the next few weeks as everyone gets the hang of it / better understands the choices.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 93	Posted - 2016.03.11 15:02:52 - [133] - Quote By request of the HPA guys over at twitter here is a recording of me playing Project Discovery. In the video I explain why I make the choices I make. I hope it gives you guys a frame of reference when doing Project Discovery. How to classify samples
Emily Stareine Integrated System Logistics 2	Posted - 2016.03.11 16:10:05 - [134] - Quote Azerath wrote: Normally I dont post on the forums, but I got to take the time to say Project Discovery is absolutely horrible. Almost impossible to get them even if you spend allot of time and effort on it, 8 times out of 10 its magically wrong. Very poor waste of time and resources CCP. Can't say I agree with that. I have a 65% rating now and that's pretty far from 8/10 wrong.
Jaantrag 57	Posted - 2016.03.11 18:42:52 - [135] - Quote so yea .. tryed it .. anyway to skip the tutorial ?? .. went to 8th slide in the tutorial but the thing kept loading .. so kinda hit X and closed it .. reopened and start from 0 .. go again .. and 4th slide keeps loading for long .. so start again hopeing it will go smoother .. nope .. kinda dissapointed .. brr .. EVElopedia < add this to your sig to show u WANT it back
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 75	Posted - 2016.03.12 05:22:45 - [136] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: By request of the HPA guys over at twitter here is a recording of me playing Project Discovery. In the video I explain why I make the choices I make. I hope it gives you guys a frame of reference when doing Project Discovery. How to classify samples Great video. Nice to see some uncertainty on your part even compared to the community concensus as I run into this quite a bit myself, lol.
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North 20	Posted - 2016.03.12 12:59:59 - [137] - Quote Submission Sample Mishap Submission Sample Mishap Submission Sample Mishap Submission Sample Mishap Submission Sample Mishap CCPLS!
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North 20	Posted - 2016.03.12 13:30:47 - [138] - Quote images in the Project Discovery UI not loading about half the time
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1707	Posted - 2016.03.12 14:27:30 - [139] - Quote Well... Need to say i'm feeling the game 'guess community decision' here instead of 'analyze the image and set categories'.... After about 20 images i'm starting to lose interest because i'm bad at social predictions and most of the time community chosen categories are not closer to image than the ones i have chosen. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 76	Posted - 2016.03.13 19:54:02 - [140] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Well... Need to say i'm feeling the game 'guess community decision' here instead of 'analyze the image and set categories'.... After about 20 images i'm starting to lose interest because i'm bad at social predictions and most of the time community chosen categories are not closer to image than the ones i have chosen. I found this to be mostly true as well, but seeing as PD was just launched it is going to take some time for this to balance out and the community gets better at correctly picking the selection. I still select what I believe a sample to be, even if I know it is likely to be wrong according to "community concensus", because I know there is a small chance the community actually picked the right one. It really is a hit or miss. I am level 30 right now with 72% accuracy, so it isn't completely flawed, just taking a little longer for players to... use some common sense while determining what image is what.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.03.13 20:58:18 - [141] - Quote hey, enjoying this a lot, good thing to introduce. A couple of issues however, the samples are frequently not loading or buffering indefinitely, and getting sample **-up messages quite a bit aswell. The SOE apparel can't be sold on the market? I'm not a fan of it myself, too much red and black, was hoping for white or sanctuary blue coat personally, but as you can only wear one outfit, whats the incentive to grind for another? CCP RedDawn wrote: Midori Tsu wrote:** What are the rewards going to be like? is it a baseline of say 500 lp that increases with the rating? Currently, the amount of LP you gain is in direct correlation with your Accuracy Rating, with 500 SOE LP being the payout for a 100% score on a single sample. So a 1% score will grant you 5 LP. Please be aware however that these values and the overall rewards are not finalised and are subject to change before they appear on TQ. (Based on your feedback and our own observations during public testing of course) I'm not getting any SOE LP?
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.03.13 21:23:18 - [142] - Quote ...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating. I have double checked this a few times now and have taken pics with my phone as I thought I was going cuckoo... fortunately early dementia hasn't effected my brain and It's definitely giving me the answers from the previous sample. cheers
HPA Darkfield Oramara Polaris Corporation 9	Posted - 2016.03.14 07:44:35 - [143] - Quote Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance wrote: ...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating. I have double checked this a few times now and have taken pics with my phone as I thought I was going cuckoo... fortunately early dementia hasn't effected my brain and It's definitely giving me the answers from the previous sample. cheers Thanks for noticing! We are aware of the problem and we have notified CCP about it so hopefully it will be fixed soon.
Memphis Baas 1334	Posted - 2016.03.14 18:01:55 - [144] - Quote Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance wrote: ...forgot to add that often the answer I give for a particular sample is not the answer is shows once submited, It's the answer I gave for the previous sample, so It flags as incorrect and you get negative accuracy rating. Actually, I think this happens when the Discovery server is so busy that it doesn't have time to receive your submitted answers. So you go on to the next question and you submit that one too, and only then does it catch up with "hey these answers were wrong" and "now we'll reset your window." I submitted a bug report. CCP may have to implement a cache server, if they don't have one, for both downloading samples and for uploading answers. Because the TQ load is a bell with the peak at euro prime time, and I'm guessing it would be nice if they could flatten the load on the Discovery server by prefetching samples at night and uploading the excess answers also at night.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 223	Posted - 2016.03.16 00:00:45 - [145] - Quote Currently checking Zeitgeist penial gland and third-eye... I tested the project (discovery) in some 4 or so of the first 10 tutorial tests and failed my first guess. That of course dropped my accuracy ratio to a maximum of 50% maximum from start at test #2 (of the same tutorial test phase). However, I am not sure if this means that I can still start at 100% accuracy at my first attempt, non-tutorial mode. Also, it seems that I managed to close the client before completion of the first 10 tutorial tests. I also don't know if I can or have to finish the tutorial before risking to lose more accuracy or any at all. I know how to reduce the risk to zero and make it utterly worthless for a game, just how much is the risk worth. Also, what is the reward? Just accurately? Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3072	Posted - 2016.03.16 00:13:42 - [146] - Quote It's not actually 'accuracy', but more like standing so it will build over time if you get things right. The rewards are certain items available from the Sisters of EVE LP store for Isk and the Analysis Kredits you get.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 223	Posted - 2016.03.16 00:34:39 - [147] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: It's not actually 'accuracy', but more like standing so it will build over time if you get things right. The rewards are certain items available from the Sisters of EVE LP store for Isk and the Analysis Kredits you get. So, it's possible to gain valuable standing (which I do know the value of, since I do have a few SOE standing already) can be gained from 'accuracy'. The accuracy I refered to was the accuracy level obtained from submitting accurate and exact , correct analysis as to compared to an analysis report which is an error, and , inacurate. It is literally like an accuracy ratio while typing on a keyboard, where, if you type faster, you will have many errors of inacurracy to fix. If you do type slower, your accuracy ratio may be higher, or 100%, but the end result may be slower than doing corrections. This is not comparable with auto-correct which can fix errors at 90 words per minutes, or speech recognition, or voice recognition, which can interpret words at 60 words per minutes. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Jeven HouseBenyo Fifty Shades of Funkyness LLC 397	Posted - 2016.03.16 02:03:23 - [148] - Quote Running into several in a row where there is some issue with sending the sample. It was working just fine while I wait for a skill then... new sample retry, sorry about losing your last submission. Is Project Discovery overloading something somewhere along the internet connections yet again? >Jeven Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel. 'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises. Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup. Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 273	Posted - 2016.03.16 04:04:11 - [149] - Quote I'm just starting on this. I guess it could use a bit more of a tutorial, but I've been able to pick up on it quickly. I can see how folks could get turned away from participating, however. But regardless of that, CCP, please don't shut down support for it too quickly. I like the purpose and I can see something like this needing more patience and tweaking than what one might be accustomed to giving a small part of the game.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 223	Posted - 2016.03.16 11:25:01 - [150] - Quote d Jeven HouseBenyo wrote: Running into several in a row where there is some issue with sending the sample. It was working just fine while I wait for a skill then... new sample retry, sorry about losing your last submission. Is Project Discovery overloading something somewhere along the internet connections yet again? >Jeven A professional tech company suggested me that EVE Online had too many windowed functions in it's interface. For one thing, when they saw my shared screen, they could deduce how long it took me to close them one by one. Of course , there was the option to close all opened function windows at once, but I didn't use that. Using the [x] command was more simple. Either way, yes, a simple interface is not only more appealing and more functional but it can also make or break a system. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Kitsune Fumimasa Deep Space Harmony 0	Posted - 2016.03.16 12:11:06 - [151] - Quote Project Discovery not work? Why? How long ? ty.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 273	Posted - 2016.03.16 21:50:16 - [152] - Quote Kitsune Fumimasa wrote: Project Discovery not work? Why? How long ? ty. It works, but sometimes seems to take a long time to load samples.
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 76	Posted - 2016.03.17 11:57:48 - [153] - Quote PD is definitely having issues right now. It took nearly 10 seconds for the GUI to load when I clicked on it. I've noticed these issues have been on going for 3+ days now. I have over 120 submissions that haven't been touched in over 24 hours. :\ HPA Darkfield Oramara wrote: Thanks for noticing! We are aware of the problem and we have notified CCP about it so hopefully it will be fixed soon. Any word on the current issues with PD? It has been extremely sluggish.
The Receptionist Astra Zeneca. 8	Posted - 2016.03.17 21:30:50 - [154] - Quote At the moment for me this isn't worth doing. I got to rank 37 but after today's update, 2/3 of the samples freeze or don't load properly, and the ones that do often fail after I've identified the structures present and hit submit. Currently it's basically unplayable. Is there a support thread for project discovery somewhere? @ISD I have also been experiencing the issue that other guy noted that you notified CCP about. Probably not related but worth mentioning.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 275	Posted - 2016.03.18 00:32:56 - [155] - Quote I notice that some of the samples have a 'consensus' that is pretty clearly wrong. Basically, once in a long while I'll bring up a sample and see by the examples that this is a clear example of 'Bob'. But when I select 'Bob' and submit it, I get a 'Community Consensus' of 90% - 100% that this sample is 'Fred'. But the sample 'Bob' doesn't have anything in common with example 'Fred'. Is the system in need of repair, or is someone gaming things?
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 275	Posted - 2016.03.18 00:36:06 - [156] - Quote Also, CCP decision-makers, please allow the resources necessary to support Project Discovery to be available. You've got something that your players like and use, and you've talked them into making it part of their EVE experience.
Murkar Omaristos The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance 237	Posted - 2016.03.18 03:29:29 - [157] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: Also, CCP decision-makers, please allow the resources necessary to support Project Discovery to be available. You've got something that your players like and use, and you've talked them into making it part of their EVE experience. ^^ This. I've been playing it all the time. However I've now come to a standstill because as of the last surprise mid-day patch to it, project Discovery is basically unusable. I can get through at most 2-3 samples before it starts freezing, doing weird glitchy ****, etc. and I have to close + reopen the window several times to get it working. It takes about four times as long as it should to go through samples when the interface does not work properly.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 275	Posted - 2016.03.18 17:57:42 - [158] - Quote I think we are seeing a minor step in the right direction of player-interface. Now when something can't be retrieved from the database, Professor Lundberg times the process out with a 'Task retrieval failed', instead of the interface staying blank forever.
Rocket Hart Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.19 08:26:46 - [159] - Quote Project Discovery = Boring, and poorly designed. Not worth the development time and I suspect it's only in Eve because CCP is getting paid by an outside source. Quit giving us NON space ship stuff to try and keep subscriptions up.
Aelavaine University of Caille Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2016.03.20 17:04:55 - [160] - Quote Despite the technical flaws of Project Discovery, are there any plans for future rewards? At first it was like I'll never get the 75.000 AKs for a suit together, but now with a 99% recognition rate and about 20.000 AKs per hour (at 5:00 EVE) there isn't a goal to reach anymore. Despite the soon incoming protests of some bittervets, I'd like to suggest a second pair of SoE Combat Suits. With 5 different textures for each fraction (A, C, G, M and SoE as fifth) for a million AKs each maybe. The designs don't have to differ much from the current ones, but I'd like to have a little redesign of the female chestplate. I don't have one single large breast in the middle of my chest. Beside the point that it keeps a level of motivation for some of us to continue with Project Discovery, I'd like to have a really rare combat suit as reward. Support the freedom to go wherever you want. Support Walking in Stations!
Dante Mynx Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.03.20 20:43:06 - [161] - Quote Hi folks, I'm normaly not post in this forum, but i want to left a word about it too: Overall i belive in this idea! As i worked as analyst i know how hard it is to get this kind of datas and if the chances are even small that it will help, they are there and that for a very good kind if issue. so i hope this will not get canceled, because bad critics. The most problem about the realy bad critic to this project are quiet it's useability of it and i mean not the crashes. new system always had problems with crashes, this will maybe run in a few weeks. i would say that the people need a possibilty to get it right after failing to learn from faults: i myself have absolut nothing to do with protein-biology or this kind of studys. i realy think it's hard to get the exact thing to do from the turtorial. yes they are samples and you know quiet a bit what it wants from you, but am i right with my sugesstion of the sample? the most time the interface only give feedback what other players choose, but not what is the right answer. i often had the thinking that i choose the right thing according the criterias from the examples, but im not sure at all. the most of the other players had choosen, something that i think is wrong according the criterias. than a message comes that i got positve points or negative points. more important where, what sample it was when i was wrong and what was the right answer to it? At the moment i have only a very low chance to guess the right thing and if i was wrong i don't will know it and after that i will maybe choose ever again the wrong thing. a very sad thing for the cleanness of the datas. At the moment they are alot of samples where i guest what it is and i realy wanted to know what it will realy be. Some of them are a unsolveable puzzle for a non biologist i think, but i think it would be nice to have a chance to make the right decision. Maybe some of us will get good enought to really can support your work! i hope my opinion will help your project! signed, A.D.Mynx
HPA Dichroic Polaris Corporation 17	Posted - 2016.03.21 10:49:12 - [162] - Quote Dante Mynx wrote: Hi folks, I'm normaly not post in this forum, but i want to left a word about it too: Overall i belive in this idea! As i worked as analyst i know how hard it is to get this kind of datas and if the chances are even small that it will help, they are there and that for a very good kind if issue. so i hope this will not get canceled, because bad critics. The most problem about the realy bad critic to this project are quiet it's useability of it and i mean not the crashes. new system always had problems with crashes, this will maybe run in a few weeks. i would say that the people need a possibilty to get it right after failing to learn from faults: i myself have absolut nothing to do with protein-biology or this kind of studys. i realy think it's hard to get the exact thing to do from the turtorial. yes they are samples and you know quiet a bit what it wants from you, but am i right with my sugesstion of the sample? the most time the interface only give feedback what other players choose, but not what is the right answer. i often had the thinking that i choose the right thing according the criterias from the examples, but im not sure at all. the most of the other players had choosen, something that i think is wrong according the criterias. than a message comes that i got positve points or negative points. more important where, what sample it was when i was wrong and what was the right answer to it? At the moment i have only a very low chance to guess the right thing and if i was wrong i don't will know it and after that i will maybe choose ever again the wrong thing. a very sad thing for the cleanness of the datas. At the moment they are alot of samples where i guest what it is and i realy wanted to know what it will realy be. Some of them are a unsolveable puzzle for a non biologist i think, but i think it would be nice to have a chance to make the right decision. Maybe some of us will get good enought to really can support your work! i hope my opinion will help your project! signed, A.D.Mynx Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for supporting Project Discovery!
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 278	Posted - 2016.03.21 23:43:52 - [163] - Quote HPA Dichroic wrote: Dante Mynx wrote: Hi folks, I'm normaly not post in this forum, but i want to left a word about it too: Overall i belive in this idea! As i worked as analyst i know how hard it is to get this kind of datas and if the chances are even small that it will help, they are there and that for a very good kind if issue. so i hope this will not get canceled, because bad critics. The most problem about the realy bad critic to this project are quiet it's useability of it and i mean not the crashes. new system always had problems with crashes, this will maybe run in a few weeks. i would say that the people need a possibilty to get it right after failing to learn from faults: i myself have absolut nothing to do with protein-biology or this kind of studys. i realy think it's hard to get the exact thing to do from the turtorial. yes they are samples and you know quiet a bit what it wants from you, but am i right with my sugesstion of the sample? the most time the interface only give feedback what other players choose, but not what is the right answer. i often had the thinking that i choose the right thing according the criterias from the examples, but im not sure at all. the most of the other players had choosen, something that i think is wrong according the criterias. than a message comes that i got positve points or negative points. more important where, what sample it was when i was wrong and what was the right answer to it? At the moment i have only a very low chance to guess the right thing and if i was wrong i don't will know it and after that i will maybe choose ever again the wrong thing. a very sad thing for the cleanness of the datas. At the moment they are alot of samples where i guest what it is and i realy wanted to know what it will realy be. Some of them are a unsolveable puzzle for a non biologist i think, but i think it would be nice to have a chance to make the right decision. Maybe some of us will get good enought to really can support your work! i hope my opinion will help your project! signed, A.D.Mynx Thanks for the feedback, and thanks for supporting Project Discovery! I'm glad to see some official attention here. It gives me hope that there's a future for the project and possibly more development to be put into it? And .... are we helping to save lives here?
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2016.03.22 10:26:29 - [164] - Quote It's working a lot better now, good job all involved. Hit rank 101 this morning, what rank does it go up too? A little sound notification would be a nice addition for when you get a 'can't process sample message'. Awesome work, Cheers
Rogantius Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.03.22 15:43:16 - [165] - Quote Some notes regarding the control samples. - ONLY Nucleus & Nucleoplasm control samples are given. They ve ALL numbers in the 300-500 range, so it is well knwon before you answer that this one matters for your score. Because of this they are really easy ... like 100% easy ... and the learning effect is rather small. - I truly believe that some of the provided known control sampels are not accurate, more specifically Cell-to-Cell Variations should apply in some cases. - I already got the same control sample twice - They often/ almost always come together in 2s packs, wich makes them even more predictable Some ideas: - In order to increase learning effects it would be nice if there would be a progression in the given control samples. The current ones can be given in the sub lvl 10 and 50% range. Higher levels should be challenged way more. - Regarding the score system: It would be rather nice if hard examples give some extra reward. For example: If the controll sample has some hard to see cytokinetic bridge and only 3% of the players who got this control sample got it right, those 3% should recieve extra points. - The Histroy feature should be expanded. It is mantatory to revisit the picture if you got it wrong. - It is currently not possible to zoom in/ modify colour after you submitted and are in the result window. This is really bad, because sometimes you want to check something after you saw the consensus. It would also be nice to ve an option to change ones answer in the result screen (obv. not affecting the score), it happens rather often to me that i spot something (e.g. a cytokinectic bridge) after hitting submit. All in all i really like this minigame but it has even more potential
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1711	Posted - 2016.03.22 20:07:31 - [166] - Quote Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance wrote: It's working a lot better now, good job all involved. just tried to open the window.... Timeout... Another try - timeout.... Removed the icon from Neocom. Maybe some day it will work.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Steve Pirkibo Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.23 23:50:34 - [167] - Quote I am unsure if this has been reported already but I am experiencing a bug with project discovery on this toon. Ever since I started project discovery on this toon (I have another toon that I started it on) I have not been able to see my submission history at all. Also, once I hit 80% or so, the only thing that would affect my accuracy rating was the guaranteed right/wrong samples. I am currently rank 42 with ~88% accuracy.
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 77	Posted - 2016.03.24 10:39:49 - [168] - Quote Steve Pirkibo wrote: I am unsure if this has been reported already but I am experiencing a bug with project discovery on this toon. Ever since I started project discovery on this toon (I have another toon that I started it on) I have not been able to see my submission history at all. Also, once I hit 80% or so, the only thing that would affect my accuracy rating was the guaranteed right/wrong samples. I am currently rank 42 with ~95% accuracy. They removed accuracy ratings from community consensus, so submission history serves no purpose at the moment. Accuracy is only affected by random pre-selected images to test whether you are actually selecting the correct result.
Moondo The Moomins The Unthinkables 0	Posted - 2016.03.25 17:28:23 - [169] - Quote With the combat suits already down to 200mil a piece (as of March 25) and dropping, you should probably rethink your rewards system. With no real ISK to be made, I'm that afraid people will stop doing it soon. Even with 90%+ accuracy, the ISK rewards are insignificant. The only thing keeping us (me) interested was the possibility of converting AK into ISK via trading combat suits, but now it's slowly becoming less and less viable.
Memphis Baas 1370	Posted - 2016.03.25 18:01:33 - [170] - Quote Yeah they're never going to adjust the rewards based on the current market prices, because that's player controlled stuff that CCP doesn't go into. If you don't feel like spending on the armor, or don't find the rewards sufficient, then don't participate. EDIT: Also, CCP could add more armors or more things to buy with AK, but of course that's up to them.
Aelavaine University of Caille Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2016.03.27 16:02:40 - [171] - Quote I agree to both posters above me. I support Project Discovery even without rewards. But without something to spend my AKs for I'm back playing Minecraft instead. How about Skill Injectors as additional rewards or the current combat suits in different color variations? However I'd like to see other similar projects in future too. Support the freedom to go wherever you want. Support Walking in Stations!
Ferante Aldera Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2	Posted - 2016.03.27 16:47:57 - [172] - Quote I would really like to be able to see my Project Discovery rank on my avatar or my profile so it's publicly shown. Also I am at 94% accuracy and getting 94000 ISK per slide after all this pain sounds quite low. i really believe that there should be a different way for the ISK rewards to scale. I am a miner and an industrialist and apart from the suit the other rewards are not so if useful at all to me. I do like the idea of getting exploration ships (SOE ships) and/or equipment or even research rewards like decryptors - I think they fit the whole background (the decryptors) ---> I am starting to get tired and the reward are not so enticing at this point. IDEA: Tell us what it is we are looking at it would be so much more interesting and we will learn a thing or two BUG: I cannot see my history is this something other people have as well ?
Jaden Oltaur State Protectorate Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.28 14:36:10 - [173] - Quote I think the ISK reward is fine for what this is (a background activity). I play this while travelling or even running missions, since I have a good semi-AFK mission boat at the moment, and I can generate a solid 8-10 mil per hour from Project Discovery alone, WITHOUT considering selling good purchased with AK. However, I've found an interesting plateau that removes incentive to care about my answers. I am not maxed out on accuracy rating and as such experience and ISK rewards. It will now take 10 incorrect answers to control questions for me to begin to see any decrease in my income potential. While I don;t think capless rewards is a good solution, players require something to maintain incentive to identify images accurately. Perhaps once accuracy cap is met, control slides answered correctly gain an additional bonus, either in AK, Exp, or ISK (or some combination). That will really drive player to hit the max accuracy and maintain it.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1712	Posted - 2016.03.28 19:28:34 - [174] - Quote tried it today... 0 submissions and does not grow, percent does not change, and only 'community' samples are present. It looks like analyzing module is off and only part of system is working The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Amelia Atanasova Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.29 15:02:31 - [175] - Quote Hey. I want to share my 2 IRL day experience so far with the Project Discovery ... project. I actually reactivated my account just for that to try so ... anyway, here are my thoughts. The tutorial is pretty decent. From a player that comes way back it is nice to grasp the basics and more importantly - it is intriguing as much as to take a look at this whole thing. Of course, without any further videos to look at, when I finished the tutorial and started playing/"researching" I got to the point when ... well my accuracy went bankrupt - meaning it was 1% at 1 point. That was yesterday, before the restart of the TQ server. At this point I got no rewards as the mini-game, as all things in dark EVE, is based on the principle - no pain-no gain. Which is cool and the rest. So I said to myself I'm doing something wrong. The mini-game was not only mindless clicking after all. For inspiration I searched for some info what are the rewards, if I really pay attention to this thing. At 1st glance the only thing I can get is the black-red-white combat suit and some other clothes I'm not that interested in ... Basically if this is a REALLY important project for the SOE NPC corp, well I expect something more for my efforts and that could be LP. I got no LP, only AK and ISK ... and ISK, which at the point I'm currently at, I understand why the rewards are such, but about continue reading. I presume people before me already nailed the obvious - we need either AK+ISK+LP or we need more ISK for MORE accurate answers based on the majority of data submitted. That will be really cool and most of all - rewarding. Because at the present moment I KNOW there are some images that people got wrong. Haha. After a day (I presume about 12 hours active on the game) I sit at Analyst Rank 45 and have 97.6% accuracy. Since I started the whole playing I don't see Submission History which I guess is kinda awkward ... just started and the mini-game is not working properly. Anyway I don't mind not seeing that apart from statistical point of view which sometimes is important. My other idea is just to have some images which are more important than others so to speak - I guess we already have them as some images say there are no active answers so far (after I submit I got 0% but it still gives me the reward). Does that mean that actually, for all these images, I'm 1 of the 1st to look at or that is because the mini-game Submission/Waiting system is not working ATM and I'm getting the reward no matter what I click? Also ... with rank maybe we might get more images that are 1st to see (rare) so the whole compare thing to be more efficient maybe? I understand though that this might not be good from a statistical/unbiased POV as I guess this game is based on the idea of statistics rather than anything else, if it has indeed RL scientific significance. :) Overall 8/10 for the mini-game itself. Let see if my rank/accuracy will drop after the Submission History begins to work again. Also on that note about the Sub.History ... keep the mini-game dynamic! Example:How long will you wait for a sample to get the reward? 1day,1week, 1month? This is silly. If the sample indeed had to wait, so to see if your selections for it are correct, maybe give part of the money initially (if you are in some of the percentage categories, ISK might depend on the percentage, even if some people, by the looks of it just click whatever they wish) and after the "all-clear" get the rest of the reward. But keep it dynamic. Accuracy is 1 thing ... but waiting on 150 samples to get through and get ISK, which you need, is silly. Keep the ISK, at least, flowing. Oh well ... back to sampling samples I guess. :)
Tisiphone Dira WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance 708	Posted - 2016.03.30 02:50:50 - [176] - Quote This is great, thanks to project discovery I'm now 257.4% more beautiful than ever!
Nankeen Heron Jim's Mowing 21	Posted - 2016.04.02 00:46:44 - [177] - Quote Where can I find my Analysis Kredits balance?
Karadia Saporian School of Mabon Guardians of the Morrigan 0	Posted - 2016.04.06 12:17:53 - [178] - Quote Nankeen Heron wrote: Where can I find my Analysis Kredits balance? When you open the PD window, hover your mouse above your analyst badge(top of the window). That will show you your Analysis Kredits. Regarding the PD from my perspective, above rank 100(currently i am 103) the 99.0% cap that i have is getting a bit annoying because the level up is slow :/ Also the 99000 ISK income / sample is pretty good but maybe it could change every few levels? i.e 105,110,115,120 and so on...
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 278	Posted - 2016.04.09 18:26:17 - [179] - Quote Are the Project Discovery folks still checking Project Discovery threads? A couple of the 'Classification' slides have been wrong, or at least, extremely misleading. I don't know who qualifies those examples. Again, I hope CCP is really supporting this mini-game. I'd also like to know more background on it. Is it going to help anyone? But basically, I'd like it to get good support, and not be abandoned just because it's not the new flavor of the week.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3148	Posted - 2016.04.10 00:07:26 - [180] - Quote Petitions are the best way to get long term support, but the HPA folks are still around now and then in game.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1734	Posted - 2016.04.11 05:49:30 - [181] - Quote strange sample I've checked and for me it really does not look like it should for given result The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
HPA Dichroic Polaris Corporation 21	Posted - 2016.04.11 10:18:48 - [182] - Quote March rabbit wrote: strange sample I've checked and for me it really does not look like it should for given result The correct classification here is centrosomes. They are hard to spot because they are so small, but they should appear as one or two dots next to the nucleus of the cells where the red tubules are converging. It is definitely a little hard to see in this example, but check out the cells in the bottom left corner. The lower one you are viewing the centrosome which actually lies above/below the nucleus and you can see red lines emanating from the point outwards. The other is more traditional next to the nucleus and again you can see a convergence of red. I hope that helps!!
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 278	Posted - 2016.04.12 02:14:04 - [183] - Quote Ah! A reply! I guess one thing to check is which classifications are getting the most misses. Then we could see if there's a common miscommunication which is frustrating players.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1740	Posted - 2016.04.12 08:57:26 - [184] - Quote HPA Dichroic wrote: March rabbit wrote: strange sample I've checked and for me it really does not look like it should for given result The correct classification here is centrosomes. They are hard to spot because they are so small, but they should appear as one or two dots next to the nucleus of the cells where the red tubules are converging. It is definitely a little hard to see in this example, but check out the cells in the bottom left corner. The lower one you are viewing the centrosome which actually lies above/below the nucleus and you can see red lines emanating from the point outwards. The other is more traditional next to the nucleus and again you can see a convergence of red. I hope that helps!! yeah. thanks. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Moondo The Moomins The Unthinkables 2	Posted - 2016.04.14 02:23:54 - [185] - Quote why are you trolling me, PD? better check the cyto hex next time..
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1744	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:00:28 - [186] - Quote really? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 279	Posted - 2016.04.14 20:32:15 - [187] - Quote I'm seeing a few blatantly wrong 'classifications' as well. Either the guide has really been misleading, or someone is mislabeling the samples on the back end? I know 'it's a game', but it does have some seriousness to it. The project will be defeated over time if the players are frustrated with the mini-game. Also, is there a life-span allotted to the Project or will we wake up one day and find the mini game patched out? (2nd try, thank you saved draft!)
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 293	Posted - 2016.04.15 02:03:47 - [188] - Quote No matter what accuracy they have, good or other, some pilot simply do not merit science, scientifically so. That is a good scientific explanation as to why their result may reflect a somewhat more biased opinion they prefer to promote. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 279	Posted - 2016.04.15 23:40:58 - [189] - Quote Ran across more misleading or wrong and decided I was done with the mini-game for today. I like the isk, don't have much need for the rewards, and appreciate the attempt. I hope it's also realized that problems in a part of EVE carry a bit into the rest of the feeling that EVE brings. It's part of player frustration with EVE when a feature is introduced before major issues have been resolved. In this case, a few issues have been resolved with Discovery, (such as the sample timeout, thank you!), but the wrong or misleading classification sample remains in the game. I hope the problems with the classification samples are a mistake, of course.
Nihilaus Vause Moira. Villore Accords 8	Posted - 2016.04.26 11:13:32 - [190] - Quote Hey, I'm not sure if this has already been addressed or not, if it has feel free to ignore. Can we get the images of samples in Project Discovery to automatically be cleared by the cache once we've submitted what we think they contain? Apparently the images are staying downloaded in the EVE folder, which leads to a pretty hefty chunk of data after a while. I think it probably removes these if you clear the cache manually, but this isn't the best solution and plenty of people may not even think to do it. Thanks o/
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron 1760	Posted - 2016.05.05 19:04:09 - [191] - Quote Why cytoplasm? Description for this cytoplasm says: "It is seen throughout the whole cell, except in the nucleus (blue marker)". For me it is pretty clear: i see green in blue - this is not cytoplasm. But i've already seen many examples where cytoplasm was in list of right marks when green can be clearly seen in blue. What do i miss here? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 283	Posted - 2016.05.06 04:01:24 - [192] - Quote I noticed that some of the Classification Samples are a bit questionable, still. I guess someone is noticing when one comes up with a large 'incorrect' percentage as pertains to players trying to identify it? Also, when do I get my certificate of cell sample mastery from the University of Reykjavik?
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 294	Posted - 2016.05.28 14:40:10 - [193] - Quote Joia Crenca wrote: I noticed that some of the Classification Samples are a bit questionable, still. I guess someone is noticing when one comes up with a large 'incorrect' percentage as pertains to players trying to identify it? Also, when do I get my certificate of cell sample mastery from the University of Reykjavik? Still an issue. Either I don't have the training background to choose correctly when one thing looks too much like another, or there's a problem behind the scenes, or both?

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