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Mithandra Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 453	Posted - 2016.01.29 08:53:07 - [31] - Quote Half the cost of a plex , converted to aurum Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2016.01.29 10:23:04 - [32] - Quote Larus Raksha wrote: 5AUR SP extractor are useless by themselves, extracted SP are not. So, you will pay a PLEX for a month of training, then 15AUR to extract that SP and will sell them for 2-3 PLEX Useless by themselves sure but CCP are bringing these in to make profit. I can see them being somewhere around a third of a plex for the extractor and then the injectors will be much more expensive. To be honest, I can't see why someone would ever want to extract and sell SP especially with the loss of SP when injecting, unless of course it's an SP farming alt. More mechanics that encourage alts are bad in my opinion. A case for more AoE in EvE
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 13:27:59 - [33] - Quote That's great move CCP! Ready your SP guys - I need ten skill injectors to be able to fly Marauder...finally!
Cixi 19	Posted - 2016.01.29 13:38:47 - [34] - Quote 2000 AUR
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4281	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:23:26 - [35] - Quote Mr Mieyli wrote: To be honest, I can't see why someone would ever want to extract and sell SP especially with the loss of SP when injecting, unless of course it's an SP farming alt. I disagree. I think your impression is based on 12+ years of SP in EVE being an extremely scarce resource. You could only get SP by passive training. An hour or a day of lost SP was LOST FOREVER. Back when you didn't have skill queues people would alarm clock at 3 AM to not waste SP, etc. etc. But now, basically SP and ISK will be convertible. You'll be able to get SP out of ISK, and ISK out of SP. So the point is, what do you want more? SP or ISK? Here's my guess: WANT SP MORE . New players (up to 1-2 years) . ISK-rich players These guys will buy extractors WANT ISK MORE . Casual players . ISK-poor vets . Guys that regularly sell PLEX instead of grinding for ISK These guys will likely sell some or all of their SP because they need ISK more. Example: weekend PVP-er that hates ISK grinding, already has the SP to fly anything that his mates fly, but needs the ISK to replace losses. DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT SP . Alts dedicated to one specific activity (e.g. trading, industry, cyno) for which they're already max-skilled It's likely that several guys will consider selling SP on alts that don't need any more training One last consideration: if you sold SP for ISK, then changed your mind, you could always buy it back... SP isn't a 'precious' resource anymore, it's just another commodity. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:32:08 - [36] - Quote I think advanced ships will become much more accessible to new players.
Kalgeroth The Monocled Elite 4	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:41:59 - [37] - Quote at the moment 500,000 SP = approx 1/3 of a plex, call it 400m if the AUR cost of the extractor is anything over a very low base, there will be very little active market as people who wish to make ISK from SP will sell characters instead without the AUR cost of extracting skills if CCP want to create a market for skill injectors, no-one is going to waste 1000's of of AUR on extractors and put the SP-filled extractors on the market if they can just sell their char without going through all of that hassle
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 16:01:25 - [38] - Quote Thus CCP will ban characters transfer market. I don't think CCP team would introduce such a quite dramatic change to EVE core gameplay mechanic if they were sure SP market would stagnate quickly All in all I think one injector will cost 300-600 mil. ISK.
Maksmad Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2016.01.29 16:10:03 - [39] - Quote We will see soon enough how much it will cost, but I think it will be much more expensive than buying a character on bazar or just training your char normally. If, for example, one wants to make 100mil sp char, one needs ca. 4 years of training with remap and +5 implants. One possibility is to buy a char on market, but it usually mean that the character will have skills that you do not want/need to have. Now it will be possible to make instant 100 mil sp char, but for that one would need 356 sp injectors. That is a really big number. Let see the costs: Just normal training - 100 mil sp - 4 years - ca. 50 plex - ca. 60 billion isk. By following this, 1 skill injector would need to cost at least 168 mil isk. But, having in mind that 4 years of training means a lot (I think we all agree to that :)), lets say that the money invested should be at least x2 bringing 1 sp injector to ca. 340 million. That would mean that insta 100 mil sp char would cost 120 billion. For that kind of money you can buy today characters with more than 150+ million sp. This will be very expensive, but than again, people will get exactly what they wanted and instantly. For older players it makes no sense to use injectors. For them the cheapest source of sp if needed is normal training. 2c
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 16:26:25 - [40] - Quote I think SP transfer marked is much better solution than chars transfer market. Simply speaking players will be able to shape/reshape their toons SP profiles quickly and efficiently. Notice purchasing char is very large instant expense while often not all skills of acquired char are needed. Now you will be grated an ability to: - instantly get some important but long trained skills (especially those at level V) -> no expensive yet destructible implants needed! - sell unneeded skills and get needed ones instead - earn easy money if you have high SP spare alts So that great and important change IMO! Nobody loses, everybody gains. I am excited!
Kalgeroth The Monocled Elite 4	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:05:08 - [41] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: Thus CCP will ban characters transfer market.. I think you're mistaken here - they've already stated this is an alternative rather than a replacement with certain drawbacks and benefits. For example, if you want a high SP character you're not going to be using up 100's of injectors at 150k SP a pop... People will put a price on their SP. You won't be able to buy injectors for the ISK value of the AUR used to purchase them. And so if the AUR cost is high, these things will cost over 1bn, which puts them out of the reach of their intended market of younger players...
DaReaper Net 7 2749	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:15:11 - [42] - Quote if ccp is smart it will cost $5. or a bit less (no less then 2.50) if they are not smart, it will cost $20 or 1 plex worth of aurum OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:22:54 - [43] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Mr Mieyli wrote: To be honest, I can't see why someone would ever want to extract and sell SP especially with the loss of SP when injecting, unless of course it's an SP farming alt. I disagree. I think your impression is based on 12+ years of SP in EVE being an extremely scarce resource. You could only get SP by passive training. An hour or a day of lost SP was LOST FOREVER. Back when you didn't have skill queues people would alarm clock at 3 AM to not waste SP, etc. etc. But now, basically SP and ISK will be convertible. You'll be able to get SP out of ISK, and ISK out of SP. So the point is, what do you want more? SP or ISK? Here's my guess: WANT SP MORE . New players (up to 1-2 years) . ISK-rich players These guys will buy extractors WANT ISK MORE . Casual players . ISK-poor vets . Guys that regularly sell PLEX instead of grinding for ISK These guys will likely sell some or all of their SP because they need ISK more. Example: weekend PVP-er that hates ISK grinding, already has the SP to fly anything that his mates fly, but needs the ISK to replace losses. DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT SP . Alts dedicated to one specific activity (e.g. trading, industry, cyno) for which they're already max-skilled It's likely that several guys will consider selling SP on alts that don't need any more training One last consideration: if you sold SP for ISK, then changed your mind, you could always buy it back... SP isn't a 'precious' resource anymore, it's just another commodity. The problem is that ISK and SP are not convertible with these injectors. Say I'm a "want more isk" guy, if I do what you say and cannibilise my guy leaving him only able to fly certain ships then there's only X sp that I can extract. If someone buys that X sp off me and injects it they only get 0.7X (for example). This difference in SP is lost to the void, every sp trade loses more of that originally extracted sp. So now my guy has still lost his Sp and can't extract any more to sell, and the sp I did extract has been slowly passed around until most of it has disappeared. Seems to me that after a couple months of people shuffling SP around between characters that nobody except alt farms will use this feature. If I want to make money I can already buy and sell a plex costing me no negatives, or I can sell part of my character and lose it for isk; if I'm going to get more downsides than buying plex I'm going to expect a higher return from selling SP. A case for more AoE in EvE
stede b0nnet The Toast Marketing Board 0	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:39:18 - [44] - Quote I'm all for this being a new player, but if its 1 plex per extractor we should just ******* boycott the whole idea
Pryce Caesar Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans 35	Posted - 2016.01.29 18:59:24 - [45] - Quote I would say it is within the same area as a PLEX's worth of AURUM. PLEX are versatile items, allowing you to add on game-time, activate multiple training (the actual Multiple Training Item is actually in the same price range as PLEX), convert to AURUM, or is used to re-sculpt your character's features (I think). But the Skill Extractors and Injectors are another matter. They are an item directly impacting an individual character's performance. By injecting skillpoints into a character, you are able to shave off (at max) almost nine days of training time (at least two days at minimum), and this applies for skills of every rank (an automatic level up to level 5 for any Rank 1 skill for anyone except characters with 80 + mill skill points). They could even surpass the price of PLEX, if the demand for them is high enough, since one could also use them to give a character who is not actively training skills an immediate skill boost in whatever skill they wish.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2140	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:13:49 - [46] - Quote Extractor costs are the equivalent of the char transfer fee in the bazaar. The average traded char has 50m skillpoints, which costs 2 PLEX to transfer. Hence a valid guess will be 1/100 PLEX (3500AUR) = 35 AUR. I'm my own NPC alt.
stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 18	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:22:50 - [47] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Extractor costs are the equivalent of the char transfer fee in the bazaar. The average traded char has 50m skillpoints, which costs 2 PLEX to transfer. Hence a valid guess will be 1/100 PLEX (3500AUR) = 35 AUR. That would be ridiculous... I'd actually be a huge fan, but no way they'd consider that :P
DaReaper Net 7 2749	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:32:18 - [48] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Extractor costs are the equivalent of the char transfer fee in the bazaar. The average traded char has 50m skillpoints, which costs 2 PLEX to transfer. Hence a valid guess will be 1/100 PLEX (3500AUR) = 35 AUR. thats way too low. if you do the break down, $20 for aurum gives you 4035 aurum, so divide that by 20, and you get 201.75 for each $ spent. so 1 extractor would be about .65 cents OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2141	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:41:18 - [49] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Extractor costs are the equivalent of the char transfer fee in the bazaar. The average traded char has 50m skillpoints, which costs 2 PLEX to transfer. Hence a valid guess will be 1/100 PLEX (3500AUR) = 35 AUR. thats way too low. if you do the break down, $20 for aurum gives you 4035 aurum, so divide that by 20, and you get 201.75 for each $ spent. so 1 extractor would be about .65 cents Remember, the extractor is just a tool / fee, unlikely it will single or double the value of the actual skills. Finally it depends where CCP sees the break-even for the comparison with the bazaar. If they see it at 10m SP / 2 PLEX, the price for the extractor would be 175 AUR. Somewhere in that span ... but we will all know in a couple of days. I'm my own NPC alt.
Kalgeroth The Monocled Elite 4	Posted - 2016.01.29 20:50:00 - [50] - Quote If they cost more than c500 AUR they're going to become a niche item very quickly people will just use the character bazaar (both those seeking ISK and those seeking skills) if the economics of skill injection are not in balance with the market value of the skillpoints even excellent characters in the bazaar don't generally cost more than around 250m ISK per 500k skillpoints
Kaivar Lancer Placid Peace Corps 715	Posted - 2016.01.29 21:06:03 - [51] - Quote 1 PLEX seems like commonsense.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 21:53:09 - [52] - Quote Nobody sane will pay 1-2 PLEX for 150-500k SP. Please stop assuming CCP is bunch of idiots who are going to introduce completely unprofitable and thus useless game feature...CCP wants to make a quick buck instead!
Mr Mieyli Hedion University Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:14:15 - [53] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: Nobody sane will pay 1-2 PLEX for 150-500k SP. Please stop assuming CCP is bunch of idiots who are going to introduce completely unprofitable and thus useless game feature...CCP wants to make a quick buck instead! The price of the actual extractor is set by CCP, the filled injector with all it's juicy SP will have it's price decided by players. If they value their SP, and I think most people will, then the price will be increased over the pure cost of the SP. The thing will be whether or not the price people are willing to pay for SP will match what people want to sell it for? So far I see no reason to sell my own SP when I can instead sell a plex for no skin off my back. A case for more AoE in EvE
Tiddle Jr Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic 757	Posted - 2016.01.29 23:22:44 - [54] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: Nobody sane will pay 1-2 PLEX for 150-500k SP. Please stop assuming CCP is bunch of idiots who are going to introduce completely unprofitable and thus useless game feature...CCP wants to make a quick buck instead! After paid 350m for PLEX i never thought i'd pay 1.2b but i did.
Kalgeroth The Monocled Elite 4	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:56:32 - [55] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: Altair Taurus wrote: Nobody sane will pay 1-2 PLEX for 150-500k SP. Please stop assuming CCP is bunch of idiots who are going to introduce completely unprofitable and thus useless game feature...CCP wants to make a quick buck instead! After paid 350m for PLEX i never thought i'd pay 1.2b but i did. Would you spend 1.5bn-2bn ISK for 500k (or more likely much less) skillpoints? The reason I ask is that if the price is 1 plex, that's what an extractor is going to cost, and for many many players that is the choice facing them. People would have to be very rich, and very attached to their characters, to not simply buy a different character in the character bazaar for far, far less than the cost of injecting skill points. *Imagine the choice:* You want to train for Carrier with good skills - and have 30m SP. It will take 10m extra skillpoints to get there. Option A: Buy injectors. For 1 plex per extractor, that's going to cost you 25 injectors, or approx 40-50bn ISK!!! Option B: Buy a carrier pilot with 40m SP for 20bn ISK I just can't imagine that CCP would be that dumb...but then again...they did introduce the $80 monocle...so who knows. But it would be a crazy move....
Tiddle Jr Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic 759	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:07:09 - [56] - Quote Kalgeroth wrote: Tiddle Jr wrote: Altair Taurus wrote: Nobody sane will pay 1-2 PLEX for 150-500k SP. Please stop assuming CCP is bunch of idiots who are going to introduce completely unprofitable and thus useless game feature...CCP wants to make a quick buck instead! After paid 350m for PLEX i never thought i'd pay 1.2b but i did. Would you spend 1.5bn-2bn ISK for 500k (or more likely much less) skillpoints? The reason I ask is that if the price is 1 plex, that's what an extractor is going to cost, and for many many players that is the choice facing them. People would have to be very rich, and very attached to their characters, to not simply buy a different character in the character bazaar for far, far less than the cost of injecting skill points. *Imagine the choice:* You want to train for Carrier with good skills - and have 30m SP. It will take 10m extra skillpoints to get there. Option A: Buy injectors. For 1 plex per extractor, that's going to cost you 25 injectors, or approx 40-50bn ISK!!! Option B: Buy a carrier pilot with 40m SP for 20bn ISK I just can't imagine that CCP would be that dumb...but then again...they did introduce the $80 monocle...so who knows. But it would be a crazy move.... Extractor won't cost 1 PLEX for sure otherwise it's like CCP shooting it's own leg. I hope they not stupid that hard. Injectors is a different story cause we are going to praise them.
pajedas Warlord of Mars 26	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:13:15 - [57] - Quote I think most of you are confused about the proposed process. The 'Skill Extractor' should have a minimal cost and the GÇÿSkill InjectorGÇÖ will be market driven. I would hope that CCP will also allow contracts to be created. IMO a player should be able to chose who he/she would like to sell/trade/give their SP's to.
alindak Kahoudi Mercurial Mining LLC Darwinism. 1	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:34:11 - [58] - Quote IGÇÖd be more interested in knowing what the market price is going to be for a 500k sp points injector...
alindak Kahoudi Mercurial Mining LLC Darwinism. 1	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:36:58 - [59] - Quote Most ppl are confused about the process, extractors are just modules to suck out the valuable thing (sp points) g Granted, they won't be cheap, but no a damn plex just for 3 of them.
Yossarian Toralen M and M Enterpises 50	Posted - 2016.01.30 06:01:08 - [60] - Quote The price on the market will be affected by the amount of money they charge for the tool, the cost of the tool to move SP around should be negligible seeing as they have stated that the market will set the price. But at the end of the day CCP owns the SP even though they have earned income from selling it the first time so they can charge whatever they want for the the tool to move it. My guess is 2 for a plex or whatever that converts into AUR and that will be way too much to not affect market value of the final product.

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