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Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:13:09 - [1] - Quote WARNING: Long Post!! TLDR Version: I think it raises the bar in EvE to allow players to purchase sp. Easier for newbs to transfer into the game and gives vets more power to complete their goals. The upcoming real money trading for sp has got me thinking. Will it be that much of an impact on the game and can a complete newbie with bought skill points surpass vets that do not wish to buy sp? Here's some factors that may effect the game. So a newbie with crazy cash starts playing and buys a lot of sp on a new char........ 1. Knowing Good Fits/Ships to Fly Getting a good ship/fit requires two things, isk and knowledge whether taken off a forum/battle clinic or taught from a veteran or experience. Isk can be bought so that's not a factor but doing the research and test fits will take time and effort. 2. Rotation So a newbie has a pimped out ship/fit now what? Knowing what to do and when to do it. This is where "skill" comes in. Best learnt from experience and I believe pvp is better experienced then taught. There is no substitute for experience so vets will def have a leg up on this point. Just because you have a expensive ship/fit does not mean you will be any good at pvp. 3. Reputation This is where a huge split will be. Since you can't buy a impressive killboard (I think?) new players will obviously have less credibility then a veteran. On the other hand corps/alliances will most likely accept a newbie with a lot of sp and they may just teach him how to use those sp properly. So that's where I believe newbies will benefit from. Now for the vet alt factor. 1. Increased Accounts Players will most likely take advantage of this and skill up another alt. More accounts = More money for CCP = Better game? (I think) 2. Encouraged Solo/Alt PvP A vet gets ahold of a new skilled out alt and multiboxes whether for rr or just to melt face with. This may give a boost to solo/alt pvp which is where this game really shines (imo). I would feel more confident doing solo with a skilled out alt backing me up. 3. Leetness Suck at the game? Tired of being trampled on? Buy an ewar alt and bang, you just became leet... yes it's that easy That's it tell me what ya'll think.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:15:18 - [2] - Quote Also an isk source for vets to sell their unwanted/misdirected sp.
Mag's Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 21045	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:25:11 - [3] - Quote Trader20 wrote: Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game? That depends on whether you think instant gratification, is good for the long term. Oh and IB4TL Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:27:55 - [4] - Quote Mag's wrote: Trader20 wrote: Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game? That depends on whether you think instant gratification, is good for the long term. Oh and IB4TL More accounts/new players is better for the game then bitter vets that are looking for reasons to leave anyway I think?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:31:14 - [5] - Quote Mag's wrote: Trader20 wrote: Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game? That depends on whether you think instant gratification, is good for the long term. I don't think it will matter unless you think the skill queue is a major part of the game. I don't think it is as most of the time all you are doing with the skill queue is waiting for something to finish. And waiting for a skill to finish requires no input from a player.
Mag's Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 21045	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:31:24 - [6] - Quote Trader20 wrote: Mag's wrote: Trader20 wrote: Will Buying Skill Points Ruin The Game? That depends on whether you think instant gratification, is good for the long term. Oh and IB4TL More accounts/new players is better for the game then bitter vets that are looking for reasons to leave anyway I think? Well time will tell I guess. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1339	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:38:58 - [7] - Quote No. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 434	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:43:37 - [8] - Quote I'm finally getting to the point where I don't care anymore. But I might as well try to play this insta-leveling game since I still have a decent about of playtime left. There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic so it's kinda hard to predict whether this feature will ruin CCPs income or not (at least in the short term), but it will definitely ruin the game. The realness of Eve has vanish and appears to be nothing more than a fake replica of it's former self. It's only a matter of time before the scrubs discover how to take full advantage of this feature and turn this farce of a game into World of Spaceships. If CCP goals where to turn this game into a space PVP game only then they have succeeded. Now the question is just how long can a PVP only insta-gratifying Eve last? My predictions is that it will hit all time high come this summer and when every settles down it will hit rock bottom within 6-12 months after. So overall I predict the remaining lifespan of Eve to be between 12-18 more months.
Leeluvv Polarized 67	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:49:07 - [9] - Quote Rich vets will buy up all the initial SP or use their own characters to fill in skill gaps. New players won't have the ISK to compete with vets, unless they buy and sell PLEX in game. Two months later the only SP for sale will be from characters farming ISK to sell.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:49:34 - [10] - Quote Sounds like an old person not using computers because back in the day mentality....sometimes change is good. Not like they're changing the combat system
Paranoid Loyd 8313	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:51:57 - [11] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic That's the beauty of this whole thing. Anyone who actually understands this game knows it may seem this change is pay2win but the reality is it's far from it. No matter how many SPs bads have, they will still be bads. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Top Guac Mexican Avacado Syndicate 114	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:54:54 - [12] - Quote Trader20 wrote: So a newbie has a pimped out ship/fit now what? Knowing what to do and when to do it. This is where "skill" comes in. Best learnt from experience and I believe pvp is better experienced then taught. There is no substitute for experience so vets will def have a leg up on this point. Just because you have a expensive ship/fit does not mean you will be any good at pvp. Seems a bit of a one dimensional view of things, but good to know skillpoint injection is only for pvp.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 00:57:10 - [13] - Quote Top Guac wrote: Trader20 wrote: So a newbie has a pimped out ship/fit now what? Knowing what to do and when to do it. This is where "skill" comes in. Best learnt from experience and I believe pvp is better experienced then taught. There is no substitute for experience so vets will def have a leg up on this point. Just because you have a expensive ship/fit does not mean you will be any good at pvp. Seems a bit of a one dimensional view of things, but good to know skillpoint injection is only for pvp. Your right, my bad. Hauling, research, pve and anything else I missed would benefit too.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:02:43 - [14] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: I'm finally getting to the point where I don't care anymore. But I might as well try to play this insta-leveling game since I still have a decent about of playtime left. There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic so it's kinda hard to predict whether this feature will ruin CCPs income or not (at least in the short term), but it will definitely ruin the game. The realness of Eve has vanish and appears to be nothing more than a fake replica of it's former self. It's only a matter of time before the scrubs discover how to take full advantage of this feature and turn this farce of a game into World of Spaceships. If CCP goals where to turn this game into a space PVP game only then they have succeeded. Now the question is just how long can a PVP only insta-gratifying Eve last? My predictions is that it will hit all time high come this summer and when everything settles down it will hit rock bottom within 6-12 months after. So overall I predict the remaining lifespan of Eve to be between 12-18 more months. I wouldn't really call it P2W, you are not exactly going to win EVE. PLEX already offers an advantage, instant isk when sold. But that's an advantage over a character of a similar age and sp . Although for a long established player the isk isn't really going to effect them that much. SP packets, again will offer an advantage and again that advantage will be most noticeable with younger characters. But younger character won't be winning EVE with SP packets. It will just allow them to be able to fly pre-capitals better. Alt accounts offer an advantage. The bazaar offers an advantage. Plenty of advantages already, so what's one more.
Tweek Etimua The Paragons 91	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:08:35 - [15] - Quote Trader20 wrote: And an isk source for vets to sell their unwanted/misdirected sp. Main point : The fact that you can buy chars already so....yeah. This and always this. For this post. The 12 before it. And the many sure to come. Now can we stop creating new threads on already hashed out and answered concerns?
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:33:39 - [16] - Quote Leeluvv wrote: Rich vets will buy up all the initial SP or use their own characters to fill in skill gaps. That's the most likely scenario, either to use them for themselves or to try and manipulate the market. I think there should be a point at which sp packets no longer have any effect. Not sure if they've decided to have a max. limit or not yet.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 436	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:36:32 - [17] - Quote Avvy wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: I'm finally getting to the point where I don't care anymore. But I might as well try to play this insta-leveling game since I still have a decent about of playtime left. There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic so it's kinda hard to predict whether this feature will ruin CCPs income or not (at least in the short term), but it will definitely ruin the game. The realness of Eve has vanish and appears to be nothing more than a fake replica of it's former self. It's only a matter of time before the scrubs discover how to take full advantage of this feature and turn this farce of a game into World of Spaceships. If CCP goals where to turn this game into a space PVP game only then they have succeeded. Now the question is just how long can a PVP only insta-gratifying Eve last? My predictions is that it will hit all time high come this summer and when everything settles down it will hit rock bottom within 6-12 months after. So overall I predict the remaining lifespan of Eve to be between 12-18 more months. I wouldn't really call it P2W, you are not exactly going to win EVE. PLEX already offers an advantage, instant isk when sold. But that's an advantage over a character of a similar age and sp . Although for a long established player the isk isn't really going to effect them that much. SP packets, again will offer an advantage and again that advantage will be most noticeable with younger characters. But younger character won't be winning EVE with SP packets. It will just allow them to be able to fly pre-capitals better. Alt accounts offer an advantage. The bazaar offers an advantage. Plenty of advantages already, so what's one more. This "one more" was the straw that broke the camel's back. Char Bazaar was tolerable because of RMT abuse, but this is CCP taken full advantage of that excuse to introduce flat out pay2win in Eve to max out the mighty bucks. CCP lies, deceives, betrays and try to manipulate everyone into thinking that it's the same as Char Bazaar but better. Better? For whom? And for what purpose? ...CCP goes silent. I can see only scrubs been fully taken in by this cheap inst-gratifying feature because they never want to earn things like everyone else and is always looking for the easy win solutions.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:40:39 - [18] - Quote First I'm confused that you keep calling people "scrubs". Don't really see how that's even relevant to the subject. Second any seasoned vet will tell you that sp do not equal win or skill. This will still be a skill based game and that skill coming from experience not sp. "Bad" players blame their lack of sp is the reason why they're bad, it's just an excuse
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:44:41 - [19] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: This "one more" was the straw that broke the camel's back. Char Bazaar was tolerable because of RMT abuse, but this is CCP taken full advantage of that excuse to introduce flat out pay2win in Eve to max out the mighty bucks. CCP lies, deceives, betrays and try to manipulate everyone into thinking that it's the same as Char Bazaar but better. Better? For whom? And for what purpose? ...CCP goes silent. I can see only scrubs been fully taken in by this cheap inst-gratifying feature because they never want to earn things like everyone else and is always looking for the easy win solutions. It's obviously going to be better for them, but it's also better for the players, especially players that went in one direction with a profession to later change profession. I thought one of the main reasons was because the bazaar operates outside of the game and they wanted a system that works inside the game.
Tiddle Jr Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic 759	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:49:45 - [20] - Quote ISD please lock redundant discussion.
Captain Tardbar Interstellar Incorporated 1143	Posted - 2016.01.30 01:59:13 - [21] - Quote I relish the bitter vet tears. Long live the scrubs! "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 288	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:03:47 - [22] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: ISD please lock redundant discussion. What's redundant about it? There's a thread about killing players that buy sp packets (sure they meant characters). Plus a thread speculating about how much sp packets will cost. Neither of those really address the opening post of this thread. Although of course this thread also involve some degree of speculation. If you think a thread is redundant, there's nobody forcing you to read it.
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:14:10 - [23] - Quote I'm open to hearing the cons of this new system as long as you keep it civilized. Vets will still be vets and newbies will still be newbies just with the potential to get more sp faster.
Tiddle Jr Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic 760	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:15:33 - [24] - Quote Trader20 wrote: I'm open to hearing the cons of this new system as long as you keep it civilized. all here
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:17:03 - [25] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: Trader20 wrote: I'm open to hearing the cons of this new system as long as you keep it civilized. all here I thought you weren't reading this thread lol
Jacques d'Orleans The Scope Gallente Federation 2574	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:23:51 - [26] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: I'm finally getting to the point where I don't care anymore. But I might as well try to play this insta-leveling game since I still have a decent about of playtime left. There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic so it's kinda hard to predict whether this feature will ruin CCPs income or not (at least in the short term), but it will definitely ruin the game. The realness of Eve has vanish and appears to be nothing more than a fake replica of it's former self. It's only a matter of time before the scrubs discover how to take full advantage of this feature and turn this farce of a game into World of Spaceships. If CCP goals were to turn this game into a space PVP game only then they have succeeded. Now the question is just how long can a PVP only insta-gratifying Eve last? My predictions is that it will hit an all time high come this summer and when everything settles down it will hit rock bottom within 6-12 months after. So overall I predict the remaining lifespan of Eve to be between 12-18 more months. Obligatory Your stuff? Have it? Can I? remark.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7500	Posted - 2016.01.30 02:44:14 - [27] - Quote There's no point in speculating. I intend to wait and see what the outcomes are. If the result is EVE becoming not EVE anymore, I'll find something else to put my money into. For the record, I have no intention of subbing a second account ever. Never have, never will, because the way I see it, if the game can't be played with a single account, then it's probably a scam that claims to cost $15 a month but actually costs $30. Or more. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.01.30 03:08:57 - [28] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: There's no point in speculating. I intend to wait and see what the outcomes are. If the result is EVE becoming not EVE anymore, I'll find something else to put my money into. For the record, I have no intention of subbing a second account ever. Never have, never will, because the way I see it, if the game can't be played with a single account, then it's probably a scam that claims to cost $15 a month but actually costs $30. Or more. Good point, if Eve ever made it necessary to own more then one account then that would be a sad day. Some play styles are enhanced with a second account but from what I've seen, a person can be as effective by flying with a gang. That's the pvp side of things so I'm not going to act like I know if multiple accounts for trading/hauling/etc or required. If I get tired of pvp and want to dabble in some hauling or trading for example and I want a unique personal hauler/trader then I have the option to jump right into it without waiting for skill time. Or if you don't care about past history or name then you can buy a char.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 436	Posted - 2016.01.30 05:00:14 - [29] - Quote Jacques d'Orleans wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: I'm finally getting to the point where I don't care anymore. But I might as well try to play this insta-leveling game since I still have a decent about of playtime left. There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic so it's kinda hard to predict whether this feature will ruin CCPs income or not (at least in the short term), but it will definitely ruin the game. The realness of Eve has vanish and appears to be nothing more than a fake replica of it's former self. It's only a matter of time before the scrubs discover how to take full advantage of this feature and turn this farce of a game into World of Spaceships. If CCP goals were to turn this game into a space PVP game only then they have succeeded. Now the question is just how long can a PVP only insta-gratifying Eve last? My predictions is that it will hit an all time high come this summer and when everything settles down it will hit rock bottom within 6-12 months after. So overall I predict the remaining lifespan of Eve to be between 12-18 more months. Obligatory Your stuff? Have it? Can I? remark. Time for you to go enroll back into that English class you dropped out of.
Alessienne Ellecon Solitude Rangers 34	Posted - 2016.01.30 05:27:24 - [30] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: There appears to be a lot of scrubs in Eve who relish this pay2win mechanic That's the beauty of this whole thing. Anyone who actually understands this game knows it may seem this change is pay2win but the reality is it's far from it. No matter how many SPs bads have, they will still be bads. My thoughts exactly. If you abuse skillgoo as a pay2win mechanic, you probably have more isk than sense and you thoroughly deserve the repeated asskickings coming your way. Skill injectors are intended first and foremost as a means of reassigning skill points and breaking down unused toons into something useful. I welcome to opportunity to refine this toon into a lean, mean pvp machine and let my industrial alt do the rest.

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