I can buy tons of plexes, go to character bazaar, buy a titan pilot, go to sell forums, buy a titan and by Friday, I am flying titan after one week in EVE.

People talk about this like it is a pixel ship that should be balanced. It is not though. It is to increase the income of CCP, in a relatively harmless way imo. I am sure they have investors breathing down their necks after the last few years failed projects. They could have come up with something worse, or have closed the game for example.

You also don't balance income streams negatively. I understand your point, but have to say that your expectation for them to put restrictions on something they have to live from, is naive. I also don't see why they should.

I can buy tons of plexes, go to character bazaar, buy a titan pilot, go to sell forums, buy a titan and by Friday, I am flying titan after one week in EVE.

It also doesn't help to have a cut-off. From CCPs point of view, there is no reason to implement this. I am certain if they did that the forums would be full of vets complaining about why they get no cookies? From a business point of view your suggestion makes no sense, and it seems like something few would care for.

edit. they even increased the amount of SP vets get from the injectors. This was due to complaints from the community.

Sorry but I don't see sp=effort. Time yes and the only effort is paying the monthly sub and skill queue. So if I see I vet whining about all of his effort in getting leet sp numbers then this is just bs and hearsay which is why I have no problem in the idea of buying sp. Some are just looking for a reason to leave anyway...any reason.

I think some vets are just afraid of change because they get comfortable with a system and think it's going to stay like that forever. Or some just want to have a monopoly on an internet space game which means everyone new is a threat. Just like evolution the ability to adapt will equal survival and Eve is all about survival.

Let me get this straight.

A person that has been playing and grinding the same game for over 10 freaking years has no reason to be upset that a brand new player will be able to accomplish the same thing in 10 minuts with enough real world cash flow? In an already subscription based game, that by design is supposed to protect against such a thing?

Of course some people will be sandy about that. Sure the new player won't have the contacts and time to fall back on, but if it's an alt.....

I understand why some people are upset. Btw, it is p2w, just not in the form most of us are used to.

Also a big part of this game is time based. How many new people are going to buy into a BS and realize they still have to do level ones and quit. Or go into lowsec with there "badass" ship, die emediatly, and quit.

Idk, I don't think people have fleshed this out completely.

Gaining skill points is grinding? That has to be the most passive and universally easy grind and that I've ever heard of in a game or in real life. Self entitlement much?

Sorry but I don't see sp=effort. Time yes and the only effort is paying the monthly sub and skill queue. So if I see I vet whining about all of his effort in getting leet sp numbers then this is just bs and hearsay which is why I have no problem in the idea of buying sp. Some are just looking for a reason to leave anyway...any reason.

I think some vets are just afraid of change because they get comfortable with a system and think it's going to stay like that forever. Or some just want to have a monopoly on an internet space game which means everyone new is a threat. Just like evolution the ability to adapt will equal survival and Eve is all about survival.

Gaining SP isn't hard, nobody has claimed it is. It does however take time like you said, time for you to build an attachment to your virtual pixel man, an attachment that gives him meaning. We aren't afraid of change but we have been around long enough to predict (guess?) the likely effects of a change. You say some vets are just looking for a reason to leave but for many eve has been slowly changing from "real" to "frigate arena pvp", this is just another step away from the EvE most of us like.

EvE is a complex system with different types of players interacting with each other, that's one of the things that makes the game so difficult for CCP to balance based on player feedback. An attitude of "well your opinion doesn't matter because you're just a bitter vet" is not a very helpful one.

Buying SP is a "pay2advance-faster" mechanic just the same way you can buy gems/gold in most iPhone games. EvE has always had the ability to buy ISK with real money but ISK is something that you can farm at whatever rate you can manage in game anyway. It was only even introduced in the first place to combat RMT, a sort of necessary evil since people are going to buy ISK anyway. People have not before had the possibility to buy SP as easily as they will soon have, the downsides of using the char bazaar are now gone. If you have the cash there's no reason not to beef up your guy with some bought SP. Anyone claiming "but its not pay2win" you are really being pedantic; an advantage of this kind has not been in the game before now. A good day for credit-card warriors but a bad day for everyone else.

New player with snakes and faction fit man this guy won eve, or just grab your corp mates for an impressive kill mail. At least that's what I would do. Capitalize on change people, don't whine.

So you can't afford it so the feature is a bad idea. That's like CCP lowering the graphics because you can't run the game properly.

(srry only could understand the last sentence of your reply)

I'm honestly having a hard time believing that you are not trolling here. If you can't understand written english (assuming that's your language) then I don't think you have much hope of understanding EvE.

The title of this thread, wich you created is misleading. You asked if it would hurt the game. You have done nothing but argue for it being a good thing with nothing solid to back it up.

No one is whining but you. You created a thread to do it. Not sure why though since it seems you will get what you want. We've told you the bad things about it. We are old enough to know how it will effect the game.

The only thing I can think of is that you are a credit card warrior posting with an alt hoping to make a point in the forums because you can't get the feedback you want in game. You are not constructive anymore and I'm begining to agree with the original idea of locking this thread.

True, no limitations but what the market puts on the SP packets. I am okay with this though. If one is so inclined that they don't want to buy SP packets, I still think they can compete though. EVE has so many game play mechanisms that one can use to counter better skills. An example: I earn my ISK by supplying a small tradehub, that no one else wants to seed. I earn decent enough to pvp. That people can buy SP and get better trade skills than me will not change that. They will still not go through the hassle to seed a station in the middle of no where. In PVP if someone flies a better ship, with better skills I call in reinforcements and blop the sun out of him. Regardless if he is a veteran or just bought the exp. That is the beauty of EVE with some effort, there will always be a place in space where you can be king, even if others have higher SP. That is why I am not too worried.

I wouldn't call it whining more like rubbing salt into a wound. Also the definition of whining is "complain in a feeble or petulant way"..... which is what those opposed to the idea are doing. Also I'm snowed in and the project at work atm is email tag heavy so their is much free time.

The problem with the argument, "If you don't like it don't participate," is that the SP market can have an effect beyond just the SP market. This should be obvious.

Teckos please, don't reply to my posts anymore. Last time you told me to learn to read, and claimed I had written the opposite of what I had. Now you answer something that does not directly relate to what i wrote. That is just annoying. I btw. never claimed it would not have effects beyond the SP market. I said the effects you can handle by other means

The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.--Friedrich August von Hayek, Nobel Prize Winner 1974

I love how when someone says it's the same as the bazaar, they seems to always qualify it with 'in a sense' or 'almost', or 'nearly' or 'except that'.

Another example.


I almost won the lottery once.

It's a waste of time trying to convince the delusional people who refuses to acknowledge that these two are totally different. Some people will always believe what they want to believe regardless if what the believe is actually true or not. Others are just flat out ignorant and really can't see the difference.