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Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:56:00 - [31] You won't get respect until you earn it. Respect isn't shown by words in local. Respect is shown by fear. If they fear you, they respect you. If they don't fear you, you don't deserve any respect yet. As far as local chat goes, better just shut up. Anyone who speaks in local loses some respect.
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:57:00 - [32] Edited by: HC MasiEEE on 30/01/2007 06:54:10 Everyone plays the game as they like, have a different view and respond too situation different. Called human nature i believe, hard too change but easy too ignore. Wow i just gave a free tip {Edit] Spelling errors ahoy ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Yoyort Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:06:00 - [33] Kinda Amazing how as simple as two letters people will pull every last bit of half blazed brilliance they can from the bowl or bottle from last night, ideas to games is to have fun and make it just as possible for yourself and others. Acting annoyed over a ship you lose in combat is to much for you maybe cheap out and enjoy the game if it need be. Nn all
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Yoyort Kinda Amazing how as simple as two letters people will pull every last bit of half blazed brilliance they can from the bowl or bottle from last night, ideas to games is to have fun and make it just as possible for yourself and others. Acting annoyed over a ship you lose in combat is to much for you maybe cheap out and enjoy the game if it need be. Nn all Many of us play this game mostly because we enjoy making others suffer.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 30/01/2007 07:20:59 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Will a hug help ? What Sir Molle said, afaik, is only that respect is earnt witch is very honest. Dont pretend you respect ppl you don't really or I'll call you hypocrit. ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster in the hand.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:38:00 - [36] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- amazing that you still have the guts to come here and spout crap after the 2nd time BoB whiped you off the map. Maybe you should keep rambling about exploits, rl insults and quitting while throwing your toys out of the window. Would suit your already killed credibility far more. To the op: Judging by the little info you give it seems you hoped for some cheers and congratulations for participating in regular pvp. Ill let you in on a secret respect is nothing you can demand and something you only can earn. If the BoB pilots in question didnt smack you in local but just refused to say "GF" it simply might be the case that it wasnt a gf. Be it through lag, your actions or simply because they didnt feel like it was outstanding compared to the other fights they got. A good fight is a very subjective thing so leave it at that. On a last note, mailing Blacklight about it might have solved it without alot of rabble rabble on these forums, especially without the replies of sore losers like cyvok who hide in empire after a titanic (lol) loss. However as you said yourself even that might have not forced an answer because you cant "demand" anything in eve. Either ppl give in or they dont.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:41:00 - [37] i got GF from BoB and didnt get GF ...............it doesnt matter either way they dont have to say "GF" to be respectable there are some BoB that are very respectable and some which are just sad lol but thats how it goes "How dare your shoot a member of EVO FFS" that was a Evolution pilot and another i got a GF from devvon maelstrom just play the game for fun and forget local, if someone says GF u can say GF or not The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. - Life is only one step away from death
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:51:00 - [39] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/01/2007 07:56:40 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Oh look who we have here Don't you dare talk about respect and loyalty, you're the greatest single dissapointment eve ever knew and have long ago lost any right to an opinion on these matters. As to the op, get a grip. You get respect when you're worth it, not before. We're not here to make you feel better about yourself, that's up to you. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Productioner Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. I have a serious dislike for people who think they are always right. Yes, that means you.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:06:00 - [41] I disagree with the op. I enjoy a good fight as much as anyone but the gf in local has become a way to gloat tbfh. It's mostly used by the victors nowadays and it often kicks off a debate that never end happily in local. If you want to talk about it, strike up a convo :)
Darc Kaahar Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:10:00 - [42] Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 30/01/2007 08:06:41 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Productioner Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. I have a serious dislike for people who think they are always right. Yes, that means you. I have a serious dislike for people like you, that means you, it's you I don't like, did I mention it's you I'm talking about? Oh wait this haS nothing to do with the thread
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:12:00 - [43] In this specific case, I don't much see the point. a BoB member's respect is worth nothing to me. BoB only gives 'respect' to people who they think they can fluff the egos of to a sufficient state to allow them to be used. Coupled with what Evolution's CEO has said concerning the subject leads me to believe that a 'GF' in local from BoB isn't worth the time it takes to read it. In the general case, Eve is a community, and as such people should attempt to adhere to some standard of etiquette. You shouldn't smack talk someone in local. If you really had a good fight you should say so if that's the kind of thing you tend to do in other competitive games. Eve is a game, and we're all players of the same game.
Kamath Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:13:00 - [44] hi, personally i say GF only when there is a good fight. If its a gank or a kill of indy i say nothing. if i fight 1 or 2 men alone and i enjoy the fight i will say GF.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:14:00 - [45] I think the problem here is how the word respect is used both in rl and ingame. I respect most ppl in rl, until they prove otherwise. Something like i think most ppl are ok and i try to treat them polite etc. However, ingame i believe its different. I have played a lot of online games and some games its a general "rule" that u say gf in most situations, other games not. Personally i say gf in local if I, myself, think its a gf. Otherwise id rather shut up. I dont gank a guy with 10 ppl in gang and say good fight in local. Thats mocking him. In eve more is at stake cause you work hard to get what u have. And therefore it will get more personal, than say a CS. I respect a good fight and say gf when i know the opponent thinks so too. If the one who lost say gf, i respond back. If not id rather shut up. Doesnt mean i disrespect the guy. Doesnt mean i neccessarily respect him either. Just means i shut up and dont bother about it. The term respect is far "overused" in this game. I dont crave after respect from my opponent. I couldnt give a flying fart about what other ppl think of me, except maybe my corpmembers and friends in general ingame. I want them to fear me when they see me in local. I want them to do mistakes because of that, because that means i have a higher chance of winning the battle before it has started. Then again, sometimes i dive straight into battle knowing the chance of losing is higher than winning. Just to get a kick ifi win. My 0.5 cent NB: Bad spelling.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:18:00 - [46] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 30/01/2007 08:14:56 Saying "GF" in local usually is smack, because there are very few good fights, and when you hear it, it usually means that you just got owned so hard that the other guy is laughing too hard to smack you.
Man1ac Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:26:00 - [47] Why does anybody need respect? Respect is not given, it is earned. Play your game good, and respect will come. At that point you will not really care, because you play your game good.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:34:00 - [48] I think you should be happy if you got a good fight with no smacktalk afterwards. Respect is overrated in eve anyway so I think you are better off not desperately trying to get it from your enemies. Just enjoy the game. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Darc Kaahar I have a serious dislike for people like you, that means you, it's you I don't like, did I mention it's you I'm talking about? Oh wait this haS nothing to do with the thread Since it's from the same corp it has relevance, unlike your comment.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:19:00 - [50] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- hmmm the tendrills, in him the bitterness runs deep
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/01/2007 07:56:40 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Oh look who we have here Don't you dare talk about respect and loyalty, you're the greatest single dissapointment eve ever knew and have long ago lost any right to an opinion on these matters. As to the op, get a grip. You get respect when you're worth it, not before. We're not here to make you feel better about yourself, that's up to you. Actually I'd say he's pretty accurate in what he wrote excluding the first line, and I'm sure he's entitled to whatever opinion he has. EVE isn't just about bob u know there are plenty of other toons out there that behave like buffoons win or loose. It may be just a game but thereÆs difference between not showing respect and behaving like a complete tosser just to achieve the objective. OP Go back and kill them again, donÆt earn their respect û make them respect you.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:34:00 - [52] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Didn't you quit EVE?
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Stitcher mmm.... I partially agree with you there. You don't "GF" somebody you just annihilated because, well, it wasn't a good fight. But I don't condone smacking somebody in any situation. If they utterly failed, then the chances are that they already know it. Laying the smack down on them in fact detracts from the victory and makes the winners look like bullies. Take defeat with good grace, be dignified in victory, and give your opponent as much respect as he deserves. If he deserves none at all, then let your silence speak for you. I disagree with Cyvok however. Sometimes, victory is just not an option, no matter how hard you fight... but fight nevertheless, and fight hard, because honour and dignity demand it. Sometimes, a defiant and valiant defeat will echo more powerfully in history than the most overwhelming victory - just ask the Spartans of Thermopylae. It is my strongly held belief that victory is without meaning unless it is an honourable victory - but honour demands throwing as much of yourself as you can give into the battle. Well said. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:52:00 - [54] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- That made me laugh considering you first left xetic and then ASCN when they needed you the most
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Jaybird Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for publicly showing that BNC pilots are following the ethos of the corp. Its very refreshing to see such a positive post about my fellow corp mates, regardless of the outcome as you said. I look forward to seeing more posts of this nature, as they make a pleasant change!
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:54:00 - [56] Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 30/01/2007 09:51:36 Originally by: Man1ac Why does anybody need respect? Respect is not given, it is earned. People tend to forget they fight no CPU but other people. I was thought to respect averyone, even strangers. So I respect every player unless of course it does something bad. For me respect is defined like here especialy: "Respect is sometimes loosely used as the synonym for politeness or manners, though these are behaviors showing respect.". I say GF in local in most fights. Of course there is no point to say GF when you gank people (it may be taken as rude) or when enemy logs off. But I respect when people fight back even if they fail horribly. Yes they maybe lost but they gave you some fun from this game so they deserve some respect.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:56:00 - [57] The day The eve comunity stops Accusing about all kinds off ** when stuff goes wrong and look at them self to improve is the day u might see the majority of the smack talkers in BOB stop... OFC BOB have them like very others, i indeed myself sometimes Smacktalk.. But hey what would u do if u on a daily Baisis had these things said in Local. OMG cant catht me ** HEAD Noobs-- OMG u Guys are 13 u BLOB ( where a roaming gang ) if u cant handle 13 ppl u should nit be allowed to have 0,0 space BOB are cheaters GMs they crash the nodes and the best of them all : HAHA u cant catch my stabbed up inty and u guys really says u good... same as when 5 month old charaters start about hoe much they know about the game and tell everybody how much we suck and we arent any good its all lies. well i think u get the point and thats on a daiy basis so i doubt the smack will stop anytime soon maybe if u lucky ull see bob whit on smack after a good fight becasue we enjoy those
Dr Smythe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:03:00 - [58] Prior to joining BoB I was a proud member of ASCN. But hind sight tells me I was some what a blind member of ASCN. For those of you who consider BoB up their own asses or smack talkers. Well continue to think what ever you want. You know little or none of the truth. But I will tell you one thing BoB and it's corps treat it's members with respect. What ever about treating it's opponents respect depends on whether they deserve respect or not. Respect is earned not demanded. Unlike in ASCN we were ordered to be respectful to other members and in local etc which was hypocritical in my opinion since ASCN certainly did not respect it's members. So which would/do I prefer and respect? I prefer BoB for respecting me as a player. Which is why I will go all out and prove that I deserve that respect. Can you all do/say the same? I pretty much doubt it. Nuff said. ----------------------------------- Help Dr Smythe get a Corvus
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:09:00 - [59] I'm very confused. Did you start this thread because you DID get smacked in local by BNC? Or was it because they didn't talk to you in local?
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:28:00 - [60] Why would you even care? It's not like it really matters if you have the "respect" of the person controlling the Bob pixels. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?

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