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Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:54:00 - [1] Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J Send Hate Mails Here...
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:56:00 - [2] Did they smack? ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.01.30 04:59:00 - [3] yeh gl with that - Igneus Auctorita Video -
Boldyn 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:01:00 - [4] This has to be a much better way of solving the problem then trying to contact someone from said corp/alliance in game. - "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back"
myggan Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:12:00 - [5] rigt under my dear boldyn well to the op how about sending blacklight a mail. and it will be dealt with
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:16:00 - [6] Easy enough. Perhaps Blacklight could mail me as last time I attempted to contact him, I never received a reply and that could be the end of it and no one else will need turn this into a flame fest. J Send Hate Mails Here...
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:37:00 - [7] According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK-
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:40:00 - [8] Wait, I'm missing something because it seems to me like you're saying Bad Bob because they didn't say..."GF" in local after a decent fight? If I'm wrong explain more, but otherwise lay off the grog. -----------------------------------------------
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:42:00 - [9] no talk in local is better then any talk at all GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:43:00 - [10] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Hypocracy > manners. Just look at how well CYVOK did with it....oh wait...say is that a pink veldspar roid?

jeNK Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:49:00 - [11] BoB in "smack talk" shocker.
Dark Matter Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:00:00 - [12] I think some of the persons replying to this thread need to reread the OP to understand exactly what was stated, his question wasn't about smacking in local. Sig Removed. Inappropriate Content. Please e-mail us with any questions. ([email protected]) -Don't forget a copy of your sig!-ReverendM
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Dark Matter I think some of the persons replying to this thread need to reread the OP to understand exactly what was stated, his question wasn't about smacking in local. BoB in "up themselves" shocker.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:05:00 - [14] Silence and a good fight are far more preferable than disingenuous, meaningless fluff. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:07:00 - [15] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Its all psychological warfare; the less human your enemy is, the more intimidating he is. On another note, welcome back to EVE, CYVOK; I hope your return period isn't as rough as the period in which you took a break. ---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Nake Primary Targets	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:07:00 - [16] So make a thread about it. Oh wait...
Fi Anaur The Spartans	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:21:00 - [17] Someone needs a little bit of manlove... FFS...are you trying to get a gf out of any fight you get..? They are here to play and win. They are not after your thoughts about the fights or your wantings for acknolegde that you can fly a ship and shoot some rounds.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:23:00 - [18] its amazing that people think they deserve respect for simply participating in a fight. Want respect? earn it. Making a thread about how you got your feelings hurt cause someone smacked you certainly wont get you any.
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Jaybird Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J What do you expect from a pirate alliance?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:30:00 - [20] You're going to get replies all right, but not the kind you're looking for. Do you prefer: A. A meaningless "GF" in local, when your enemy doesn't really believe it? B. A meaningfull "GF" in local, when you have done something to earn the respect of your enemies? Personally I'd prefer my enemies tell me GF if they actually think I deserve it, not because it's the done thing.

Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:34:00 - [21] I find it amazing that so many people have the ineptitude to skew the original text. Pro. - Life is only one step away from death
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:38:00 - [22] There are so many quality responses to this thread.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:39:00 - [23] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- I think you are misinterpreting that. Respect is not required in a fight and is not necessary. That isn't the same thing as being against respect. But if you fight someone who is a total embarrassment to the game why not let them know? Why should they get free respect. Why say "GF" if they did not put up a good fight? It seems more honest to smack them afterwards. I don't understand all these backwards ass eve ethetics. I don't consider someone really my friend unless they are willing to tell me the truth. Especially when I'm wrong or do something poorly. If you surround yourself with dishonest people don't let you know when you screw up you end up, well, like you. So **** nice. Tell it like it is.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Ab Initio Personally I'd prefer my enemies tell me GF if they actually think I deserve it, not because it's the done thing. I dunno. When there is an obvious slaughter a sarcastic "GF" in local is always fun too.
Susa Ou	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Evelgrivion Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Its all psychological warfare; the less human your enemy is, the more intimidating he is. On another note, welcome back to EVE, CYVOK; I hope your return period isn't as rough as the period in which you took a break. Actually, Cyvok has a point - your enemy will show no quarter, and neither should you. Total war. And no, the less human your target is, the easier it is to kill them. Turning Japanese into monkies, Vetnamise into rodents, Muslims into sexist tyrants. . .all serve to dehumanize in order to justify their extermination. Fear is respect, and fear is not healthy for moral, add the two together and you have capitulation. We Amarr know these arts well.
Tenaka Kahn Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:46:00 - [26] Edited by: Tenaka Kahn on 30/01/2007 06:43:27 This post has gone gold. The way the fight(s) went makes it 10x funnier to read, keep the quality down and the frequency up!
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:47:00 - [27] ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:48:00 - [28] May we please only get intellectual replies, please? Oh and this is how I truly feel about the whole issue. Blackguard Brigade alone is a "civilization" that entered and advanced across EVE, and either assimilated or destroyed everything in its path. The people and their communities have more often been destroyed rather then assimilated, the push for assimilation of the survivors has been unrelenting, but still continues. This kind of enterprise is, I submit, like a machine that devours or destroys everything in it's path. Even the people who are destroyed are not left in peace, for this kind of "civilization" returns later to pick over their bones. Indeed, that cultures are easier to deal with after they are dead. Pro, (A Way of Life.Ö) 2007. Yarrr. - Life is only one step away from death
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:50:00 - [29] Edited by: Stitcher on 30/01/2007 06:47:13 Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- I think you are misinterpreting that. Respect is not required in a fight and is not necessary. That isn't the same thing as being against respect. But if you fight someone who is a total embarrassment to the game why not let them know? Why should they get free respect. Why say "GF" if they did not put up a good fight? It seems more honest to smack them afterwards. I don't understand all these backwards ass eve ethetics. I don't consider someone really my friend unless they are willing to tell me the truth. Especially when I'm wrong or do something poorly. If you surround yourself with dishonest people don't let you know when you screw up you end up, well, like you. So **** nice. Tell it like it is. mmm.... I partially agree with you there. You don't "GF" somebody you just annihilated because, well, it wasn't a good fight. But I don't condone smacking somebody in any situation. If they utterly failed, then the chances are that they already know it. Laying the smack down on them in fact detracts from the victory and makes the winners look like bullies. Take defeat with good grace, be dignified in victory, and give your opponent as much respect as he deserves. If he deserves none at all, then let your silence speak for you. I disagree with Cyvok however. Sometimes, victory is just not an option, no matter how hard you fight... but fight nevertheless, and fight hard, because honour and dignity demand it. Sometimes, a defiant and valiant defeat will echo more powerfully in history than the most overwhelming victory - just ask the Spartans of Thermopylae. It is my strongly held belief that victory is without meaning unless it is an honourable victory - but honour demands throwing as much of yourself as you can give into the battle. ***
Yoyort Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Productioner May we please only get intellectual replies, please? Oh and this is how I truly feel about the whole issue. Blackguard Brigade alone is a "civilization" that entered and advanced across EVE, and either assimilated or destroyed everything in its path. The people and their communities have more often been destroyed rather then assimilated, the push for assimilation of the survivors has been unrelenting, but still continues. This kind of enterprise is, I submit, like a machine that devours or destroys everything in it's path. Even the people who are destroyed are not left in peace, for this kind of "civilization" returns later to pick over their bones. Indeed, that cultures are easier to deal with after they are dead. Pro, (A Way of Life.Ö) 2007. Yarrr. Yarrr There be pirates and intellectual comments ahoy, but first is a strong tide of flame bait and tinfoil... Yet again.

Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:56:00 - [31] You won't get respect until you earn it. Respect isn't shown by words in local. Respect is shown by fear. If they fear you, they respect you. If they don't fear you, you don't deserve any respect yet. As far as local chat goes, better just shut up. Anyone who speaks in local loses some respect.
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 06:57:00 - [32] Edited by: HC MasiEEE on 30/01/2007 06:54:10 Everyone plays the game as they like, have a different view and respond too situation different. Called human nature i believe, hard too change but easy too ignore. Wow i just gave a free tip {Edit] Spelling errors ahoy ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Yoyort Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:06:00 - [33] Kinda Amazing how as simple as two letters people will pull every last bit of half blazed brilliance they can from the bowl or bottle from last night, ideas to games is to have fun and make it just as possible for yourself and others. Acting annoyed over a ship you lose in combat is to much for you maybe cheap out and enjoy the game if it need be. Nn all
Ephemeron The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Yoyort Kinda Amazing how as simple as two letters people will pull every last bit of half blazed brilliance they can from the bowl or bottle from last night, ideas to games is to have fun and make it just as possible for yourself and others. Acting annoyed over a ship you lose in combat is to much for you maybe cheap out and enjoy the game if it need be. Nn all Many of us play this game mostly because we enjoy making others suffer.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 30/01/2007 07:20:59 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Will a hug help ? What Sir Molle said, afaik, is only that respect is earnt witch is very honest. Dont pretend you respect ppl you don't really or I'll call you hypocrit. ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster in the hand.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:38:00 - [36] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- amazing that you still have the guts to come here and spout crap after the 2nd time BoB whiped you off the map. Maybe you should keep rambling about exploits, rl insults and quitting while throwing your toys out of the window. Would suit your already killed credibility far more. To the op: Judging by the little info you give it seems you hoped for some cheers and congratulations for participating in regular pvp. Ill let you in on a secret respect is nothing you can demand and something you only can earn. If the BoB pilots in question didnt smack you in local but just refused to say "GF" it simply might be the case that it wasnt a gf. Be it through lag, your actions or simply because they didnt feel like it was outstanding compared to the other fights they got. A good fight is a very subjective thing so leave it at that. On a last note, mailing Blacklight about it might have solved it without alot of rabble rabble on these forums, especially without the replies of sore losers like cyvok who hide in empire after a titanic (lol) loss. However as you said yourself even that might have not forced an answer because you cant "demand" anything in eve. Either ppl give in or they dont.
LordChaos Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:41:00 - [37] i got GF from BoB and didnt get GF ...............it doesnt matter either way they dont have to say "GF" to be respectable there are some BoB that are very respectable and some which are just sad lol but thats how it goes "How dare your shoot a member of EVO FFS" that was a Evolution pilot and another i got a GF from devvon maelstrom just play the game for fun and forget local, if someone says GF u can say GF or not The Master Of Chaos Celes Celes KB
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. - Life is only one step away from death
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:51:00 - [39] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/01/2007 07:56:40 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Oh look who we have here Don't you dare talk about respect and loyalty, you're the greatest single dissapointment eve ever knew and have long ago lost any right to an opinion on these matters. As to the op, get a grip. You get respect when you're worth it, not before. We're not here to make you feel better about yourself, that's up to you. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.30 07:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Productioner Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. I have a serious dislike for people who think they are always right. Yes, that means you.

Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:06:00 - [41] I disagree with the op. I enjoy a good fight as much as anyone but the gf in local has become a way to gloat tbfh. It's mostly used by the victors nowadays and it often kicks off a debate that never end happily in local. If you want to talk about it, strike up a convo :)
Darc Kaahar Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:10:00 - [42] Edited by: Darc Kaahar on 30/01/2007 08:06:41 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Productioner Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. I have a serious dislike for people who think they are always right. Yes, that means you. I have a serious dislike for people like you, that means you, it's you I don't like, did I mention it's you I'm talking about? Oh wait this haS nothing to do with the thread
Clementina Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:12:00 - [43] In this specific case, I don't much see the point. a BoB member's respect is worth nothing to me. BoB only gives 'respect' to people who they think they can fluff the egos of to a sufficient state to allow them to be used. Coupled with what Evolution's CEO has said concerning the subject leads me to believe that a 'GF' in local from BoB isn't worth the time it takes to read it. In the general case, Eve is a community, and as such people should attempt to adhere to some standard of etiquette. You shouldn't smack talk someone in local. If you really had a good fight you should say so if that's the kind of thing you tend to do in other competitive games. Eve is a game, and we're all players of the same game.
Kamath Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:13:00 - [44] hi, personally i say GF only when there is a good fight. If its a gank or a kill of indy i say nothing. if i fight 1 or 2 men alone and i enjoy the fight i will say GF.
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:14:00 - [45] I think the problem here is how the word respect is used both in rl and ingame. I respect most ppl in rl, until they prove otherwise. Something like i think most ppl are ok and i try to treat them polite etc. However, ingame i believe its different. I have played a lot of online games and some games its a general "rule" that u say gf in most situations, other games not. Personally i say gf in local if I, myself, think its a gf. Otherwise id rather shut up. I dont gank a guy with 10 ppl in gang and say good fight in local. Thats mocking him. In eve more is at stake cause you work hard to get what u have. And therefore it will get more personal, than say a CS. I respect a good fight and say gf when i know the opponent thinks so too. If the one who lost say gf, i respond back. If not id rather shut up. Doesnt mean i disrespect the guy. Doesnt mean i neccessarily respect him either. Just means i shut up and dont bother about it. The term respect is far "overused" in this game. I dont crave after respect from my opponent. I couldnt give a flying fart about what other ppl think of me, except maybe my corpmembers and friends in general ingame. I want them to fear me when they see me in local. I want them to do mistakes because of that, because that means i have a higher chance of winning the battle before it has started. Then again, sometimes i dive straight into battle knowing the chance of losing is higher than winning. Just to get a kick ifi win. My 0.5 cent NB: Bad spelling.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:18:00 - [46] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 30/01/2007 08:14:56 Saying "GF" in local usually is smack, because there are very few good fights, and when you hear it, it usually means that you just got owned so hard that the other guy is laughing too hard to smack you.
Man1ac Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:26:00 - [47] Why does anybody need respect? Respect is not given, it is earned. Play your game good, and respect will come. At that point you will not really care, because you play your game good.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:34:00 - [48] I think you should be happy if you got a good fight with no smacktalk afterwards. Respect is overrated in eve anyway so I think you are better off not desperately trying to get it from your enemies. Just enjoy the game. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Darc Kaahar I have a serious dislike for people like you, that means you, it's you I don't like, did I mention it's you I'm talking about? Oh wait this haS nothing to do with the thread Since it's from the same corp it has relevance, unlike your comment.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:19:00 - [50] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- hmmm the tendrills, in him the bitterness runs deep

Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/01/2007 07:56:40 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Oh look who we have here Don't you dare talk about respect and loyalty, you're the greatest single dissapointment eve ever knew and have long ago lost any right to an opinion on these matters. As to the op, get a grip. You get respect when you're worth it, not before. We're not here to make you feel better about yourself, that's up to you. Actually I'd say he's pretty accurate in what he wrote excluding the first line, and I'm sure he's entitled to whatever opinion he has. EVE isn't just about bob u know there are plenty of other toons out there that behave like buffoons win or loose. It may be just a game but thereÆs difference between not showing respect and behaving like a complete tosser just to achieve the objective. OP Go back and kill them again, donÆt earn their respect û make them respect you.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:34:00 - [52] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Didn't you quit EVE?
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Stitcher mmm.... I partially agree with you there. You don't "GF" somebody you just annihilated because, well, it wasn't a good fight. But I don't condone smacking somebody in any situation. If they utterly failed, then the chances are that they already know it. Laying the smack down on them in fact detracts from the victory and makes the winners look like bullies. Take defeat with good grace, be dignified in victory, and give your opponent as much respect as he deserves. If he deserves none at all, then let your silence speak for you. I disagree with Cyvok however. Sometimes, victory is just not an option, no matter how hard you fight... but fight nevertheless, and fight hard, because honour and dignity demand it. Sometimes, a defiant and valiant defeat will echo more powerfully in history than the most overwhelming victory - just ask the Spartans of Thermopylae. It is my strongly held belief that victory is without meaning unless it is an honourable victory - but honour demands throwing as much of yourself as you can give into the battle. Well said. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lunas Feelgood Maza Nostra	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:52:00 - [54] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- That made me laugh considering you first left xetic and then ASCN when they needed you the most
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Jaybird Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for publicly showing that BNC pilots are following the ethos of the corp. Its very refreshing to see such a positive post about my fellow corp mates, regardless of the outcome as you said. I look forward to seeing more posts of this nature, as they make a pleasant change!
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:54:00 - [56] Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 30/01/2007 09:51:36 Originally by: Man1ac Why does anybody need respect? Respect is not given, it is earned. People tend to forget they fight no CPU but other people. I was thought to respect averyone, even strangers. So I respect every player unless of course it does something bad. For me respect is defined like here especialy: "Respect is sometimes loosely used as the synonym for politeness or manners, though these are behaviors showing respect.". I say GF in local in most fights. Of course there is no point to say GF when you gank people (it may be taken as rude) or when enemy logs off. But I respect when people fight back even if they fail horribly. Yes they maybe lost but they gave you some fun from this game so they deserve some respect.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:56:00 - [57] The day The eve comunity stops Accusing about all kinds off ** when stuff goes wrong and look at them self to improve is the day u might see the majority of the smack talkers in BOB stop... OFC BOB have them like very others, i indeed myself sometimes Smacktalk.. But hey what would u do if u on a daily Baisis had these things said in Local. OMG cant catht me ** HEAD Noobs-- OMG u Guys are 13 u BLOB ( where a roaming gang ) if u cant handle 13 ppl u should nit be allowed to have 0,0 space BOB are cheaters GMs they crash the nodes and the best of them all : HAHA u cant catch my stabbed up inty and u guys really says u good... same as when 5 month old charaters start about hoe much they know about the game and tell everybody how much we suck and we arent any good its all lies. well i think u get the point and thats on a daiy basis so i doubt the smack will stop anytime soon maybe if u lucky ull see bob whit on smack after a good fight becasue we enjoy those
Dr Smythe Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:03:00 - [58] Prior to joining BoB I was a proud member of ASCN. But hind sight tells me I was some what a blind member of ASCN. For those of you who consider BoB up their own asses or smack talkers. Well continue to think what ever you want. You know little or none of the truth. But I will tell you one thing BoB and it's corps treat it's members with respect. What ever about treating it's opponents respect depends on whether they deserve respect or not. Respect is earned not demanded. Unlike in ASCN we were ordered to be respectful to other members and in local etc which was hypocritical in my opinion since ASCN certainly did not respect it's members. So which would/do I prefer and respect? I prefer BoB for respecting me as a player. Which is why I will go all out and prove that I deserve that respect. Can you all do/say the same? I pretty much doubt it. Nuff said. ----------------------------------- Help Dr Smythe get a Corvus
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:09:00 - [59] I'm very confused. Did you start this thread because you DID get smacked in local by BNC? Or was it because they didn't talk to you in local?
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:28:00 - [60] Why would you even care? It's not like it really matters if you have the "respect" of the person controlling the Bob pixels. Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?

Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:49:00 - [61] it's a game why would you give a **** about respect?
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:56:00 - [62] Hate to burst the bubble of everyone who assumed that this post started because BGBR got smacked down, it was not the case. The BoB pilots who came in sustained the losses and we did not. If its BNC's ethos to not speak in local, fair enough. This post should of ended back when the first member of BoB posted and when Jay said it was done. But it digressed as the forums always do. BGBR doesn't demand your respect and we certainly don't need it. This whole post simply served to prove that while in a good fight you can't get a reply ingame but the forums you get plenty. Funny stuff. Anywho, some people have made some decent points and some have shown they are below the Bell Curve. The inteligent consensus is right respect is earned and not given. Though that seems to not be the case for BNC from one of the posters reply. If its policy not to show respect its a matter of rules, so we can only assume after the last few engagements that we have the respect of those we've flown against (not to mention the things one of your pilots said to us in local when he came back). We in BGBR still have respect for all of those we fly against us, they test us so we can get better at what we do. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Spartan of Thermopylae and Decimator of civilizations.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:56:00 - [63] Originally by: Electric Cucumber it's a game why would you give a **** about respect? Because I tend to respect people I play with. Do you smack your opponent when you play chess?
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:09:00 - [64] Edited by: Tenaka Kahn on 30/01/2007 11:05:45 Also about 99% of you who have the gall to reply here have no idea what the word respect means. re+spect /rɪˈspɛkt/ [ri-spekt] ûnoun 1. a particular, detail, or point (usually prec. by in): to differ in some respect. 2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route. 3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment. 4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly. 5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect. 6. respects, a formal expression or gesture of greeting, esteem, or friendship: Give my respects to your parents. 7. favor or partiality. 8. Archaic. a consideration. ûverb (used with object) 9. to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat. 10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights. 11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy. 12. to relate or have reference to. If you cant find a reason to respect someone or something in anything you do, It's a surpirse your here to even read this. You respect alot of things, even in games. You just didn't know it. [edited for spelling] <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Spartan of Thermopylae and Decimator of civilizations.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:15:00 - [65] Put my balls in a vice, and i'll give you all the respect you want. Same applies in EVE. - --------- snip - no profanity allowed in sigs, even if McCreedy said it - Tirg
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:16:00 - [66] Well this is a mighty interesting thread. Firstly, BNC pilots are not allowed to talk in local so if for once they're doing as they're supposed to be and keeping quiet then I'm glad to hear it, usually I'm spanking them for the opposite. Secondly, if I missed an evemail from you my apologies but with the resent mail bug and the volume of stuff coming into my inbox I've probably deleted rather a lot without replying recently. If you want to discuss something with me feel free to mail me again and I'll keep an eye out for it now that I can actually tell what's new mail and what isn't. Blog
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:17:00 - [67] Edited by: Auman on 30/01/2007 11:14:25 /edit grrr beaten by the CEO.
SinBin Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:27:00 - [68] You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. _______________________________________ Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:37:00 - [69] Originally by: Blacklight Firstly, BNC pilots are not allowed to talk in local... I feel sorry for them. Looks like you have a bit of slavery there.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:47:00 - [70] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Blacklight Firstly, BNC pilots are not allowed to talk in local... I feel sorry for them. Looks like you have a bit of slavery there. Funny you should say that becasue alot of the nrthern alliances have that policy also, fla for one, does that mean they are slave's?

Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Jaybird Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. No restrictions are put on Nova members to post their opinions on the forums. If any have been overly rude to the point of offense in local, plz forward the logs to me, or convo me in-game J. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:50:00 - [72] Originally by: Jaybird Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J So what you seem to be whinging about is that you got your ass kicked by a roaming BNC gang, and after you said GF in local, you were offended when no BoB member replied with a GF. here is a tip, if it wasnt a GF then dont crap on as if it was! maybe the BoB gang was busy and didnt have time to satisfy you with an undeserved reply in local. Never ceases to amaze me, that the amount of noobs that type GF in local after every fight, not every fight is a good fight, or perhaps some people just have lower standards as to what they class a GF. So what do you do when the enemy doesnt respond to your "GF" post in local? ....... well you come and whinge about it on the forums of course. seriously mate get a clue. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:53:00 - [73] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Blacklight Firstly, BNC pilots are not allowed to talk in local... I feel sorry for them. Looks like you have a bit of slavery there. Tell you what. you worry about your corps policies, we'll worry about ours. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Tovarishch Silence and a good fight are far more preferable than disingenuous, meaningless fluff. Unless that fluff comes with peanut butter. But on the whole, yes.
Trigger64 Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:57:00 - [75] Real men dont cuddle after sex? Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:58:00 - [76] You will never be able to get someone rude in an online game to behave properly. Their leader is not their parent nor their babysitter. Their biggest motivation is to see you angry and complaining in public. I myself have been the victim of smack and childish behavior several times, and sometimes it does get to me. The solution? The block tool can be amazing. I use it alot and never been happier. Life is too short to get aggrivated over some punk or jerk in an online game ----
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:59:00 - [77] Originally by: Jaybird Easy enough. Perhaps Blacklight could mail me as last time I attempted to contact him, I never received a reply and that could be the end of it and no one else will need turn this into a flame fest. J Weird he is one of the few CEOs to really care about stuff like that. I remember mailing him about one of his guys logging in a bubble once and got a reply shortly after. Perhaps something wrong in the wording of your emails? - Gob
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:06:00 - [78] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Electric Cucumber it's a game why would you give a **** about respect? Because I tend to respect people I play with. Do you smack your opponent when you play chess? Yes. You're missing out if you don't. Next question please.
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:09:00 - [79] Blacklight- will mail ya ingame in light if new info. Camman- before your foolish enough to post on the forums, do check your KB's. Send Hate Mails Here...
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:15:00 - [80] Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. This made me Smile ;) try come whit a blob not 3 times our next time plzz ;)

Tarphon Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:32:00 - [81] JoJo, Seldarine, Taylor04à ItÆs a regular reunion going on Hey Blacklight, some BOB said guy killed 2 of my drones, cost me one heck of a repair bill, and said gf in localà where do I complain? Meh, its ok I guess I kept his ammoà I think it kept my ship together __________________________________ ISD broke my sig :(
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:41:00 - [82] I beleive some of this confusion could be stemming from a lack of accuracy for BNC's KB's. I offer a look at the BGBR kb's to clear confusion up also. Just a quick search in google outta do it. Send Hate Mails Here...
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:42:00 - [83] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- You're a joke. On topic it's been said a few times already but I'd prefer a rare, deserved and fully typed "good fight guys" on local than just an arbitrary "gf" because some PvP happened to occur. - - - - - - - - - - World's best insult: Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr You thundering retard. Coreli: Our boosters make you happy. . .
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:44:00 - [84] Edited by: ponieus on 30/01/2007 12:41:41 boss beat me to it.. -----------------------------------------------
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:45:00 - [85] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Blacklight Firstly, BNC pilots are not allowed to talk in local... I feel sorry for them. Looks like you have a bit of slavery there. just like how you NAPem up when times get rough.. seems like a little pettery going on there. if its not blue.. MAKE IT BLUE BOB COMMING>> -----------------------------------------------
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:47:00 - [86] Originally by: Jaybird I beleive some of this confusion could be stemming from a lack of accuracy for BNC's KB's. I offer a look at the BGBR kb's to clear confusion up also. Just a quick search in google outta do it. on that note.. eve mial Blacklight with the losses or kills that are not posted. Keep in mind our KB does not show tier 2 bc's or teir 3 bs's. If you feel a mail is missing always mail the CEO of the corp. We take pride in our KB being as accurate as possiable. -----------------------------------------------
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:50:00 - [87] I'd be happy if I never heard the word 'respect' again. It's repeatedly confused with common decency and politeness. This is what the op wants but he probably just doesn't realise it. Me, I think you should treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, on the street, in the pub, at a footy match, at a job interview, in a prison, in an online game... Others would disagree, one day they will learn.
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:53:00 - [88] Welsh, your either briliant or an idiot, only time will tell with your following posts. What you just posted on being tereated as you expect to be treated is respect. If you follow up anything other than agreement, I'm afraid you only discredit yourself. Send Hate Mails Here...
Taladorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:53:00 - [89] Some people really need to learn there history or failing that to at least ask someone who knows before they bring this kind of silly nonsense to the forums. As my CEO said it has been a BNC (Not BOB but BNC) policy since the old NORAD days to keep our yaps shut in local. Its a matter of corp honor to strive to do it regardless of how lame the opponent is being on chat. This unfortunately means no GF or hellos to old friends on the other side during ops. Think of it as the professional soldier mentality and put the tin foil hats away. Lets move on to something exciting like the "Who's D2 gonna NAP Next" pool.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:55:00 - [90] Edited by: Darcuese on 30/01/2007 12:52:01 Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. Hi SinBinWhiny....i guess its that time again to have fun with you, my little puppet. And change your sig "Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks"....<---- yeah, this one me, myself and I ------>

Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:58:00 - [91] Well, once again being soldierly ingame and a total pompus a#$ on the forums doesnt show much. And if you well manned soldierly members only post kills and no losses, that doesnt do much credit either. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe im looking at the worng BNC killboards, but I'm online now. Maybe one of your members will convo me and we'll get the KB's for your guys updated if I am indeed looking at the right ones and all this sillyness can cease, eh? J Send Hate Mails Here...
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Jaybird Welsh, your either briliant or an idiot, only time will tell with your following posts. What you just posted on being tereated as you expect to be treated is respect. If you follow up anything other than agreement, I'm afraid you only discredit yourself. haha, ok.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:01:00 - [93] Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. At least we fight outnumbered without making up excuses about that. Not something your alliance can say from what i've seen last few weeks. We smack when you run from a almost equal fight, yep we do. We smack when we lose a 40 vs 75 fight? no. We got a fight then.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:03:00 - [94] OIIIIIIIIIII I DONT SMACK...IM STATING FACTS in Not so polite/diplomatic way me, myself and I ------>
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:05:00 - [95] Originally by: Jaybird Well, once again being soldierly ingame and a total pompus a#$ on the forums doesnt show much. And if you well manned soldierly members only post kills and no losses, that doesnt do much credit either. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe im looking at the worng BNC killboards, but I'm online now. Maybe one of your members will convo me and we'll get the KB's for your guys updated if I am indeed looking at the right ones and all this sillyness can cease, eh? J http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=218035 A link to the BoB killboard is in that thread. BNC do not have a private one. If a mail is missing send it to Blacklight and it will be added.
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:07:00 - [96] Gosh, can't resist some form of posting, eh? Luckily a defintion is preatty much the same regardless of any edition, eh? Now let it go, plenty of other posts to hit up, eh? J Send Hate Mails Here...
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:08:00 - [97] Originally by: Jaybird Well, once again being soldierly ingame and a total pompus a#$ on the forums doesnt show much. And if you well manned soldierly members only post kills and no losses, that doesnt do much credit either. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say maybe im looking at the worng BNC killboards, but I'm online now. Maybe one of your members will convo me and we'll get the KB's for your guys updated if I am indeed looking at the right ones and all this sillyness can cease, eh? The BoB Killboard's location is very well known. There is 1 ibis posted on your board that is not posted on ours. Blog
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:11:00 - [98] The alliance KB is correct. The BNC french diviosn KB on griefwatch was the confusing factor. I guess some folks just forgot to check your alliance KB before they jumped onto the forum reply bandwagon. It happens, no worries. As stated 3 pages ago about 4 posts into the forums, this is a pretty dead subject. But as long as people wanna show their a@#, we can beat a dead subject. Send Hate Mails Here...
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:13:00 - [99] Edited by: Jaybird on 30/01/2007 13:10:18 Before the masses get restless, this is the KB I was refering to http://bnc.griefwatch.net/?p=losses, the statement of no BNC private KB being kept and this guy hanging about could explain confusion, yes? J [edit forgot link, not to wise as that was the point, eh?] Send Hate Mails Here...
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:16:00 - [100] BNC pilots leave this topic alone now thanks. Blog

Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:17:00 - [101] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 30/01/2007 13:14:24 The only time you get a "gf" out of bob in local is when they utterly pwn you. I know this as it has happened to me several times. Consider their silence a compliment edit: spelling.
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:18:00 - [102] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. This made me Smile ;) try come whit a blob not 3 times our next time plzz ;) Wow, now all I see in this thread is BoB damage control over missing mails and smack in local. Seems that their reputations been dented. And now they moan about being outblobbed?!? Whatever next! Tick Tock, Blacklight wears a frock. Elite Scouting
Jaybird Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:19:00 - [103] All BGBR should disengage from further posts on this topic. Send Hate Mails Here...
Seldarine Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:34:00 - [104] I have a confession to make. I smack enemies that i dont respect. And unfortunately, i have seen nothing from the North so far that has given me even the smallest amount of respect for them. ______________________________ ______________________________ Seldarine
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 13:41:00 - [105] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Exactly the opposite is true, and i have met many respectful pilots in this game, in and out of bob.. Plenty.. Its just who you are i guess, and how you play the game, smacktalk is everywhere.. I mean hell even my wife smacktalks me -----------------------
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Blacklight BNC pilots leave this topic alone now thanks. <3 Blacklight
Horatio Starkiller Minmatar TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:27:00 - [107] I would like to point out that when TAOSP killed a scorpion and a thorax earlier in NM- we recieved no "gf" from either pilot emo tear although i did claim some nice lewts via my rkk training. GF to the folks in xzh who engaged us in that sys next door and we had a good 15min fight on the gate. That was just what we were looking for --------------------------------------------- EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:46:00 - [108] Edited by: LUKEC on 30/01/2007 14:44:25 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 30/01/2007 13:14:24 The only time you get a "gf" out of bob in local is when they utterly pwn you. I know this as it has happened to me several times. I usually don't post any GF crap in local. Only good fight recently was in intys and I don't do much of that because I'm too lazy to go buy new ones. Rat. was fun when they dropped Nyx on us. But that's pretty much it for last month. Usually we only get people to engage us when odds are very very much against our favour and any other kind of engagement is more gank than fight, usually takes long long time to get gang of equal strenght to where we want them any only person that deserves compliment in such case is our FC for outplaying them. On more personal level, don't you think it's time to get over ASCN defeat? You sounded like one of more reasonable guys in ASCN (opinion of many bobbits) so... don't disappoint us. -------- .....
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Shinoobie Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. This made me Smile ;) try come whit a blob not 3 times our next time plzz ;) Wow, now all I see in this thread is BoB damage control over missing mails and smack in local. Seems that their reputations been dented. And now they moan about being outblobbed?!? Whatever next! Tick Tock, Blacklight wears a frock. Lol, a missing ibis mail and were trying to do damage control, lmfao . And the blob comment was referring to the fact that we will jump into greater number's whereas nrthern resident's seem to need an hour + to blob up and then consider attacking if they outblob the enemy. No real complaint's here becasue it gets the adrenaline racing
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Jaybird All BGBR should disengage from further posts on this topic. Good.. you were becoming too much of a forum ***** there T....

vache Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.30 14:59:00 - [111] Ok, i'm used to seeing flame threads about BoB smacking in local and all that crazy stuff.... But now whats even funnier is when they dont do it, some poor souls seem to feel let down Funny stuff
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:37:00 - [112] Originally by: Shinoobie Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: SinBin You was probly fighting Disc or ATUK of old, they are the worste smack tards in game wile winning, kick there asses tho & watch how timid they become, still it would be lag or some other game effect on that occation nothing they did offcorse. This made me Smile ;) try come whit a blob not 3 times our next time plzz ;) Wow, now all I see in this thread is BoB damage control over missing mails and smack in local. Seems that their reputations been dented. And now they moan about being outblobbed?!? Whatever next! Tick Tock, Blacklight wears a frock. Nah i am used to u 3 times number before u engage.. was just saying u guys should try not to have that many numbers,, but cant have that maybe some of u guys would actually like that who nows.. but then plzz dont come whit less would be to easy then
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Fred0 I disagree with the op. I enjoy a good fight as much as anyone but the gf in local has become a way to gloat tbfh. It's mostly used by the victors nowadays and it often kicks off a debate that never end happily in local. If you want to talk about it, strike up a convo :) Agreed. I'd much rather have silence in local than what usually flows through that sewer.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:51:00 - [114] Originally by: Sir JoJo Nah i am used to u 3 times number before u engage.. was just saying u guys should try not to have that many numbers,, but cant have that maybe some of u guys would actually like that who nows.. but then plzz dont come whit less would be to easy then I always love DICE rabble . Sorry, that was uncalled for, I understand if English isn't your native language. I do not understand why you're complaining about being outnumbered, if I'm not mistaken ASCN/AXE had more members than D2/IRON/RZR/MM combined. Your main engagements have been with IRON and perhaps D2 as far as I know, so you are not going to tell me IRON outblobs BoB/MC/FIX. We are good, but not that good either.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:55:00 - [115] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 30/01/2007 15:52:47 Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Sir JoJo Nah i am used to u 3 times number before u engage.. was just saying u guys should try not to have that many numbers,, but cant have that maybe some of u guys would actually like that who nows.. but then plzz dont come whit less would be to easy then I always love DICE rabble . Sorry, that was uncalled for, I understand if English isn't your native language. I do not understand why you're complaining about being outnumbered, if I'm not mistaken ASCN/AXE had more members than D2/IRON/RZR/MM combined. Your main engagements have been with IRON and perhaps D2 as far as I know, so you are not going to tell me IRON outblobs BoB/MC/FIX. We are good, but not that good either. BOB/MC/FIX??? we are Only 1 corp here and its not beeing outnumbered its when u ppl come up whit ridicules numbers as when u brought 38 bs alone ;) our gang was 42 ;) then add u support ;) which we all know u got plenty off we dont mind beeing outnumbered but retarded numbers will make us think NAH not tonight sometimes
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:20:00 - [116] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- I think you lost all claim to any of those ideals you listed after you quit after losing a ship. Take your loses like a man ffs and stop crying.
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:35:00 - [117] Originally by: CRYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CRYVOK- Didn't you quit EVE? Can I have your stuff? On topic : Just what we needed, another BoB thread.
Spike Larosse RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:42:00 - [118] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- I think you are misinterpreting that. Respect is not required in a fight and is not necessary. That isn't the same thing as being against respect. But if you fight someone who is a total embarrassment to the game why not let them know? Why should they get free respect. Why say "GF" if they did not put up a good fight? It seems more honest to smack them afterwards. I don't understand all these backwards ass eve ethetics. I don't consider someone really my friend unless they are willing to tell me the truth. Especially when I'm wrong or do something poorly. If you surround yourself with dishonest people don't let you know when you screw up you end up, well, like you. So **** nice. Tell it like it is. Honesty and respect aren't mutually exclusive. On the contrary, one would imagine they belong together. Thus in my opinion not showing EVERYONE respect until proven otherwise is arrogance. Deserving respect? No, you deserve/earn trust and friendship. Respect is just plain common sense in my book. But maybe that's just a difference in defining respect. ANYWAY, with that said, not saying "gf" in local is not disrespectful imho, it's a valid policy, and a better way to go about a fight one didn't quite appreciate than starting to smack around in local or on the forums. It's not like there's a shortage of forum warriors/local smackers as is... my sig got nerfed. :( but it will be back! :) -RSP- Recruitment
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:50:00 - [119] Your conduct within the setting of a game universe where none of your actions will ever be met by any real consequence speaks far more about your personality than your behaviour in the real world. When you have the freedom to write and abide by your own code of morality, without fear of retaliation, then and only then do the people around you get to witness your true nature. I will respect my opponents if they deserve it, because that is how I am. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned British gentleman, or maybe it's that I believe that a person's renown and reputation are among the most valuable things they can ever possess. Respecting our opponents is the ONLY local talk that FLA's pilots are allowed to engage in, and for a reason - we have our reputation to uphold. If a person cannot treat his peers with respect, then he in turn deserves no respect. That is my code. ***
panman The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:04:00 - [120] Edited by: panman on 30/01/2007 17:02:48 Originally by: Svett Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Didn't you quit EVE? Can I have your stuff? On topic : Just what we needed, another BoB thread. Not only that, but he expected ASCN to fight to the last tooth and nail. Then bailed when the the ship was sinking. As most of you people read in his blogs. Then once that was done, he made scapegoats of the people he placed in power to try and diminish the blame on his own, somewhat questionable leadership. I think one the better quotes was "We are ascn and we wont give up". Ummmmmmmm i would call losing your titan through silly error, then saying i quit the game, giving up.... Although correct me if im wrong... -----------------------

Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:08:00 - [121] Originally by: Sir JoJo Nah i am used to u 3 times number before u engage.. was just saying u guys should try not to have that many numbers,, but cant have that maybe some of u guys would actually like that who nows.. but then plzz dont come whit less would be to easy then Thinks back to EC-P8R lockdown Good argument. Tick Tock, fill your mouth with a sock. Elite Scouting
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:22:00 - [122] Originally by: Shinoobie Tick Tock, fill your mouth with a sock. Have a cookie!
Y'HELO THAR True Salvation	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:35:00 - [123] Ok, so if I understand it right, BGBR killed a couple of BNC ships and then BGBR said "gf" and BNC didn't reply to it. Which caused the OP to have a emo-moment and start this thread? In the online games I played before EVE, it was always considered to be bad manners if the winning party said "gg", because it would always be construed as gloating. In fact, in the large majority of cases it IS gloating, in EVE aswell. You might aswell have said "lol pwn3d kthx noobs l2p". So I don't know what BGBR is expecting here. :]
Tomsudy Minmatar BloodThirsters Corp	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:56:00 - [124] Originally by: Jaybird Last few nights, we've had a few runins with some members of the BoB alliance. Regardless of the outcomes, I thought that is was kinda common respect that if adecent fight occurs, to at least acknowledge so. Seems certain members of BNC and other members of BoB can't find it in them have a little dignity. I'm slightly sadened. I figure here on the forums I'll get some sort of reply from someone in BoB, as they won't do it space. J Why are you moaning about this just because someone didn't say good fight in local. So what? Take pride from the fight you can show some respect doesnt always mean you will get some back. ________________________________________ THTA
Blitz'Krieg Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:05:00 - [125] Originally by: CYVOK Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics -CYVOK- coming out of your mouth? dont sully the words.
Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:15:00 - [126] Edited by: Paradoxex on 30/01/2007 18:12:23 The last few posts have all been bandwagon comments criticizing the OP. Respect is a relative term. No one can claim otherwise. Just because you find it odd that the OP's definition of respect includes certain characteristics that yours does not, gives no one any right to lay claim to the term outright. Nowhere in the original post is the situation clearly defined. It doesn't say BNC didn't say something, or that they said too much. I imagine the post was left intentionally vague for a reason. People trying to fill in the blanks would do themselves much more service if they stopped focusing so much effort on conjecturing, and more effort on maintaining their face in public. Jaybird and Blacklight have resolved their differences quite civilly. Seeing as they both run honorable corps and conversed without hostility, perhaps their sense of "respect" isn't as far off as the last few posters would like to believe. I believe this thread has run its course though, and deserves to be closed, as both pertinent actors have indicated that they are done with it.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:19:00 - [127] Originally by: Shinoobie Originally by: Sir JoJo Nah i am used to u 3 times number before u engage.. was just saying u guys should try not to have that many numbers,, but cant have that maybe some of u guys would actually like that who nows.. but then plzz dont come whit less would be to easy then Thinks back to EC-P8R lockdown Good argument. Tick Tock, fill your mouth with a sock. LOL u are using 1 weekend op as argument still ... its almost a year ago can we please get over it.. Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Sir JoJo we are Only 1 corp here and its not beeing outnumbered its when u ppl come up whit ridicules numbers as when u brought 38 bs alone ;) our gang was 42 ;) then add u support ;) which we all know u got plenty off we dont mind beeing outnumbered but retarded numbers will make us think NAH not tonight sometimes So, what's the problem? Do you think we want you to actually enjoy coming up north? Our tactics are to discourage you from trying to take our regions, not to bend over and let you have fun whilst taking them. well not gonna go deeper into this , But it wont stop us, just makes things more boring u know that
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:27:00 - [128] Originally by: Sir JoJo well not gonna go deeper into this , But it wont stop us, just makes things more boring u know that We'll see who has the longest attention span and who will bugger of first .
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:47:00 - [129] @ OP. Ask yourself. Who needs your respect ? As for subject. In my EVE vocabulary, "respect" means "you suck". "Exploiter - i will petition you, and you will be banned" - much more pleasure to hear. But hey, its me
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:49:00 - [130] I'm not sure directly that anyone means dis-respect. I mean when I was in IMP we had our fair number of engagements vs Bob, and there were plenty of times we got a "gf" after the bout and then there were times when we got nothing, and then there were times of smack(both sides). I am hostile to Bob, and have no love for them, but your prolly not going to get a "gf" until you actually have one or prove you are a worthy opponent. If you beat them you will likely get no response in local. why? They win so damn much it astonishes them to lose one, it's not disrespect. If you lose ya might get a gf or some light smackorz, but all and all I found nothing different engaging Bob respect wise than any other alliance I've fought against. Note, this is after having speratic engagements with them for over a year, so I'm adept at knowing how they react. Good luck to both parties involved.

Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:00:00 - [131] Originally by: Sir JoJo LOL u are using 1 weekend op as argument still ... its almost a year ago can we please get over it.. Over it? Have you seen who owns EC-P8R station :D It's certainly not BoB Lite! Tick Tock, need rights to dock. Elite Scouting
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:10:00 - [132] Tick tock, BoB can't afford a digital clock.
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:14:00 - [133] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Productioner Edited by: Productioner on 30/01/2007 07:42:40 This post is a true tale of the severity in intellectual penmanship. Your documentation will forever be lacking. Malcom X once said. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. Pro. I have a serious dislike for people who think they are always right. Yes, that means you. I do not think that I am correct all the time, I just do not find myself intelligently challenged. (like some of you) I do not find my self to be inept, (unlike some of you who purposely bring hardship onto others) besides, I strongly feel that you need to read a dictionary and educate yourself on what I really said. But in all honesty I really do not care if you like me or not, trust me, I will not lose sleep over it. - Life is only one step away from death
LordSlay Them Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:35:00 - [134] BOB were never known to fight with fair numbers... Didn't you have 500+ pilots lock down EC? No disrespect/pun intended, but is every botched attempt you make on a hostile a holiday? Thankyou come again. Tick Tock.... Tick Tock.... It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:35:00 - [135] Originally by: Shinoobie Originally by: Sir JoJo LOL u are using 1 weekend op as argument still ... its almost a year ago can we please get over it.. Over it? Have you seen who owns EC-P8R station :D It's certainly not BoB Lite! Tick Tock, need rights to dock. Certainly worthy of a brag to finally reclaim a station from ISS (lol) while they were fighting for their lives 50 jumps away. Yes, quite the accomplishment indeed. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:52:00 - [136] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Ah, you've finally come to your senses and discovered these things in life, games, etc, called "principles." I guess better late then never. Too bad this epiphany didn't happen a couple years ago. Myself and hundreds of others might still be around with the ascn tag on along with the ascn entity still being alive and well.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:04:00 - [137] Originally by: mazzilliu no talk in local is better then any talk at all Oh noes, I agree with a Snigg ! :) Last sunday, some in the most angry of your Alliance starts the flaming machine, then we just started to reply (our gang leader was on TS like "STDFU men")... and we jumped away. I 100% agree with you. Even when you win, it's not acceptable to say anything to the other side. They allready have it bad, all you'll have is #%@ and more &$úº :) Keeping it clean and quiet is good for everyone in the Alliance, so I try to follow this rule. I don't think we have true sportmanship. Maelstrom have it, TCF not. In fleet we just don't talk to people around. ----- History is made by whinners
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:06:00 - [138] Originally by: LordSlay Them BOB were never known to fight with fair numbers...(...) Hmmm... Who does ? ----- History is made by whinners
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:13:00 - [139] Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:12:35 Originally by: Habraka Tick tock, BoB can't afford a digital clock. I'm really sorry but IRONS barks seems to be alot bigger then their bite. I have no idea what your so proud of :/ Any second rate alliances controls more space then you do. Now move along and stop smacking like your any match for BoB or DICE by yourself. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:23:00 - [140] Originally by: DTee Now move along and stop smacking like your any match for BoB or DICE by yourself. I'm certainly not a match for DICE smacking wise.

tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:25:00 - [141] Edited by: tyrol on 30/01/2007 20:24:22 Edited by: tyrol on 30/01/2007 20:22:44 Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:12:35 Originally by: Habraka Tick tock, BoB can't afford a digital clock. I'm really sorry but IRONS barks seems to be alot bigger then their bite. I have no idea what your so proud of :/ Any second rate alliances controls more space then you do. Now move along and stop smacking like your any match for BoB or DICE by yourself. "bob smack machine hits you for 0 damage" we have a nice big bark but we bite hard, and you know it, you just dont want to admit it, i would post a link to our killboard but im sure you already have it, plenty of your losses are posted there. oh, and we control the space we want to control, simple as that and one other thing, your tick tock thing sucks, i prefer buddrows drumb beats anyday, much more manly
HordeZla Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:25:00 - [142] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Your time for talking for people is well dead and buried so please don't do any talking for us, ok! KTNXBYE
vladdy2 VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:28:00 - [143] just WOW!! at this whole thread and many of the posts so ye HF & GF & YD & US and all that. ---------------------------------
jhtgjhvfhjfg	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:28:00 - [144] Originally by: tyrol Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:12:35 Originally by: Habraka Tick tock, BoB can't afford a digital clock. I'm really sorry but IRONS barks seems to be alot bigger then their bite. I have no idea what your so proud of :/ Any second rate alliances controls more space then you do. Now move along and stop smacking like your any match for BoB or DICE by yourself. "bob smack machine hits you for 0 damage" i would post a link to our killboard but im sure you already have it, plenty of your losses are posted there we have a nice big bark but everytime you throw us a bone we bite hard, and you know it. oh, and we control the space we want to control, simple as that and one other thing, your tick tock thing sucks, i prefer buddrows drumb beats anyday, much more manly LMAO, honest you should be calling your selfs plastic not iron. your PVP sucks and your smack is as bad. Finaly, having to drag killborads into a smack fest means you have nothing to fight with other than other peoples work. Go fish in a lake,
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:28:00 - [145] Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:25:14 Originally by: tyrol rabble Since you bring it up not that I am one for going in to killboard stats please take the time to go to the BoB Killboard. Check out IRON. You have a GLOWING record sir. :( /sarcasm 493/1843 GO GO IRON! Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:30:00 - [146] yes your right, i should stop backing my smack up, it hurts the bobbitses grow some big ones and post with your main
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:33:00 - [147] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:25:14 Originally by: tyrol rabble Check out IRON. You have a GLOWING record sir. GO GO IRON! omg thanks
RabbidFerret VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:36:00 - [148] Edited by: RabbidFerret on 30/01/2007 20:34:36 Originally by: DTee Originally by: Habraka Tick tock, BoB can't afford a digital clock. I'm really sorry but IRONS barks seems to be alot bigger then their bite. I have no idea what your so proud of :/ Any second rate alliances controls more space then you do. Now move along and stop smacking like your any match for BoB or DICE by yourself. Carrying all of that ignorance around must be murder for your back. I own a bigger house then you do.. That doesnÆt make me a better person. I'm sorry if your view of this game is as constricted as looking through a straw, but there is a lot more to be proud of then how big your specific color is on the map.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:38:00 - [149] Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:35:33 What you mean like Killboard stats? Wealth? Industry? Membership? QUality? I dare you to challenge me that IRON are better on any of those fronts. I would rather not get in to it. Just know that smack doesn't suit you boys. Take D2's example sit back relax and watch the show. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:52:00 - [150] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 30/01/2007 20:50:24 Its amazing what mess can result from a debate over a simple lack of a polite comment. This whole debate over respect - earning it, receiving it, and giving it - is ultimately not within the context of the original post. The concept the OP was actually talking about was being polite to your enemy. Your enemy doesn't, and shouldn't need to earn the right to courtesy from his other fellow game players. The general playing populace should at least try to be nice before smacking each other around on the forums - or local for that matter. My personal opinion is that you should always be polite to your adversary. Most of the time you'll come to learn that most pilots are quite agreeable and friendly people. The second you start smack-talking to them you ruin it. Theres nothing wrong with engaging in friendly banter; it makes the game a little more fun without bruising egos or inciting the emotions of others (most of the time). Above all, just learn to be civil to each other, please? All of you computer chair capsuleer muppets who love to jump on the "lets make fun of CYVOK" bandwagon need to grow up and at least attempt to keep this thread on-topic. To think that some people wonder why Band of Brothers pilots are despised so much and the Northern pilots are considered incompetent by so many. ---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for.

TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:58:00 - [151] Originally by: Ephemeron Many of us play this game mostly because we enjoy making others suffer. Ephemeron! o/ Well said. To the OP - MAKE em say GF ;) Wherever you go... There you are...
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:06:00 - [152] Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 21:04:01 Originally by: RabbidFerret Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 30/01/2007 20:35:33 What you mean like Killboard stats? Wealth? Industry? Membership? QUality? I dare you to challenge me that IRON are better on any of those fronts. I would rather not get in to it. Just know that smack doesn't suit you boys. Take D2's example sit back relax and watch the show. Thank you for proving my point. This is why I stopped reading these forums. Smack is wrong, although I may be doing it now. IRON, D2 or the rest of the north should not have to smack because you guys continue to sit in these forums and continue to act like children. Its a game. The rest of EVE hates you for this continued ignorance, except for those corporations who have been suffocated too often to have their own opinions. I apologize to those in your alliance who this does not apply to. This is a game. We play to win. These are forums we post to win. If you dont like it then dont post. Its as simple as that. Some of us may have different goals or criterion for what makes an achievement. If you dont like my view or anyone elses then as you said before dont read these forums. Stop once more. I dont want to sit here and tell IRON what they are worth. your members shouldn't really be coming out here smacking when there is nothing there for them to smack about. I do apologise if I hurt your feelings, and take away the fun of the game for you. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:07:00 - [153] Sorry but wtf happened to differentiating the character from the player ? I'm generally not in the least bit interested in being a nice guy to you when you're in the enemy gang that just fought us, as one character to another. I'm generally not in the least bit interested in being an ass to you when I meet you in space somewhere and you could use some advice that I could give you, as one player to another. Get the difference ? Sure, I'm not one of those dusty roleplayers that never falls out of his role or has some sort of interesting bio about being an orphan and all that crap (no offense meant), but you people aren't actually suggesting that what you say ingame reflects the player here right ? And not the character ? Wait a minute, didn't I explain all this about a dozen times during the whole ascn forum flamefest as well ... oh yeah. Tbh, if all you guys do is play this game from the perspective you brgina long as your natural self then I don't really get how you find it any fun after three and a half years. Where's the immersion for you then ? Or do you collect minerals in rl too ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:29:00 - [154] Originally by: RabbidFerret The rest of EVE hates you for this continued ignorance, except for those corporations who have been suffocated too often to have their own opinions. I must have missed the vote that made you the official spokesman for eve. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Preacher97 Caldari Obliteration Unlimited R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.30 21:43:00 - [155] Edited by: Preacher97 on 30/01/2007 21:39:39 TBH, I believe instead of a meaningless GF from the victor, the player on the short end should say "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
Logan Williams Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:01:00 - [156] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Cyvok, you seem bitter. Want some cheese with that whine?
Dirtball Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:34:00 - [157] EVE is not about respect, it's about fear.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:40:00 - [158] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 30/01/2007 22:37:28 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- You accused G of being Macrominers, Cheaters and Exploiters. Same with BoB. You lied to your whole alliance all the time and i was wondering why so many ASCN believed the amount of untruths you were telling them. You deserve no respect in this game, cause you dont know what sportsmanship is. -------------------------------- http://www.trollexception.net/bsgd2/sig.jpg Please decrease the file size of your sig to less than 24000 bytes -Cyrano
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:50:00 - [159] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 30/01/2007 22:37:28 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- You accused G of being Macrominers, Cheaters and Exploiters. Same with BoB. You lied to your whole alliance all the time and i was wondering why so many ASCN believed the amount of untruths you were telling them. You deserve no respect in this game, cause you dont know what sportsmanship is. I myself was guilty of swallowing the bs cyvok spun while i was in ascn. I think i had a go at you a fair few time's and really, after seeing the lies and propoganda spun against us, i should apologise to you tbh
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:01:00 - [160] Ok, Question: how did this go from a BOB -v- BGBR convo to a IRON bashing? were did we get off topic at, oh thats right on page one. my bad, Bad Pro, Bad Pro, I shall have to punish my self now. OPPS I think I have a typo.. lol.. - Life is only one step away from death

TriggerHippy Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:16:00 - [161] Ok... IRON > Bob Lite BOB Heavy > IRON IRON aren't scared of BOB The North are united against a "possible" attack by BOB et al. We all like to fight and we all log on to do so EVE fights > Forum fights Lets play....
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:28:00 - [162] Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- Who hijaked his account
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:59:00 - [163] I hate it when people say GF in local, its stupid pointless and 99% of the time the fight wasn't good anyway, it was just a gank. I flog corp members who talk in local. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:11:00 - [164] Originally by: DTee .... your members shouldn't really be coming out here smacking when there is nothing there for them to smack about. I do apologise if I hurt your feelings, and take away the fun of the game for you. Talk to BoB Lite about that eh?! They do it a lot On all your points about IRON I agree, however, BoB don't like the rattling of their cage on the forums do they! My feeling are not hurt in any way. I love all the well thought out and constructive posts you are all making. It's great! GF Tick Tock, BoB's posts are a load of croc. Elite Scouting
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:55:00 - [165] Originally by: DTee ...Some of us may have different goals or criterion for what makes an achievement. If you dont like my view or anyone elses then as you said before dont read these forums.... Saved for future reference.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 01:00:00 - [166] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: DTee ...Some of us may have different goals or criterion for what makes an achievement. If you dont like my view or anyone elses then as you said before dont read these forums.... Saved for future reference. Did the sarcasm go wasted on you?. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 01:37:00 - [167] Oh it was sarcasm. Ok then. :P
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:07:00 - [168] DTee understands Sarcasm? ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
firepup82 Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:27:00 - [169] LMAO you guys are killing me
SI RedLeg Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:35:00 - [170] A little respect I try to discover A little something to make me sweeter Oh baby refrain from breaking my heart Im so in love with you Ill be forever blue That you give me no reason Why youre making me work so hard That you give me no That you give me no That you give me no That you give me no Soul, I hear you calling Oh baby please give a little respect to me And if I should falter Would you open your arms out to me We can make love not war And live at peace in our hearts Im so in love with you Ill be forever blue What religion or reason Could drive a man to forsake his lover Dont you tell me no Dont you tell me no Dont you tell me no Dont you tell me no Soul, I hear you calling Oh baby please give a little respect to me Im so in love with you Ill be forever blue That you give me no reason You know youre making me work so hard That you give me no That you give me no That you give me no That you give me no Soul, I hear you calling Oh baby please give a little respect to me Soul, I hear you calling Oh baby please give a little respect to me

SI RedLeg Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:36:00 - [171] (oo) What you want (oo) Baby, I got (oo) What you need (oo) Do you know I got it? (oo) All I'm askin' (oo) Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit) Hey baby (just a little bit) when you get home (just a little bit) mister (just a little bit) I ain't gonna do you wrong while you're gone Ain't gonna do you wrong (oo) 'cause I don't wanna (oo) All I'm askin' (oo) Is for a little respect when you come home (just a little bit) Baby (just a little bit) when you get home (just a little bit) Yeah (just a little bit) I'm about to give you all of my money And all I'm askin' in return, honey Is to give me my profits When you get home (just a, just a, just a, just a) Yeah baby (just a, just a, just a, just a) When you get home (just a little bit) Yeah (just a little bit) [instrumental break] Ooo, your kisses (oo) Sweeter than honey (oo) And guess what? (oo) So is my money (oo) All I want you to do (oo) for me Is give it to me when you get home (re, re, re ,re) Yeah baby (re, re, re ,re) Whip it to me (respect, just a little bit) When you get home, now (just a little bit) R-E-S-P-E-C-T Find out what it means to me R-E-S-P-E-C-T Take care, TCB Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me) A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me) Whoa, babe (just a little bit) A little respect (just a little bit) I get tired (just a little bit) Keep on tryin' (just a little bit) You're runnin' out of foolin' (just a little bit) And I ain't lyin' (just a little bit) (re, re, re, re) 'spect When you come home (re, re, re ,re) Or you might walk in (respect, just a little bit) And find out I'm gone (just a little bit) I got to have (just a little bit) A little respect (just a little bit)
Ruff Ceyx Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.31 04:39:00 - [172] Put this thread to an end already, Redleg's singing on TS and i cant handle it... -------------------------------------------
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:49:00 - [173] Originally by: Ruff Ceyx Put this thread to an end already, Redleg's singing on TS and i cant handle it... Hands Redleg another beer and Ruff some ear pluggs. Sing on redleg...sing on..
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:34:00 - [174] Wow, 6 pages about a non-existent gf, I guess I can say what I think from it. Most fights in Eve don't deserve a GF, ganking or get ganked doesn't necessarily show fighting skills. Let's take an example of a recent kill (ain't playing much at the moment, so I can remember every fight I take part in) Was camping a gate in a sabre, buddy on the other side in a jaguar, warns me of incoming enyo, I bubble the gate, enyo jumps, get bubbled, webbed and dies to a jaguar and a sabre. He tried to fight back, couldn't escape it, died and got podded ... Did the enyo pilot show exceptional bravery? no Did he act poorly during his fight? no Did we show exceptional skill? no Did we hide behind numbers ? no, we were waiting for bigger preys than a single AF, galaxy's a harsh place, I don't take 10 steps and turn around before engaging. He only made the mistake of jumping alone in an hostile system in a relatively slow ship. Doesn't deserve smacking, doesn't deserve praise either. He fought and died with honor, but this was not a "good fight" in the sense that it wasn't thrilling for any of us, the fight was mostly decided before it started. Nothing innovative on our side either, he uncloaked, tried to escape, got tackled and died ... I didn't send any GF, would have been it utter hypocrisy. Does it mean that I have no respect for the pilot, or even worse, for the player behind? Now a few minutes later, I got a mail from this player, don't have it here, but it said something like "nicely done, enjoy the loot, shame on me for being careless" ... My answer was something like "better luck next time" and I mean it. This mail exchange was strictly OOC between two players. the mistake about respect comes from the fact that people refuse to acknowledge a "neutral" level of respect, to which any pilot is entitled. A respectful silence after a fight is a good example of this respect. I remember a few pilots that earned respect by fighting me ... A young Goon running away from my rupture in his thorax who, after a few jumps away, decides that he'd rather die fighting than running, says in local "ok, let's do this" and engages. He lost his ship (mostly due to huge sp difference, I'll blatantly admit that I flew overconfidently) but earned a lot of respect. An enyo pilot (another one) who instead of running, decides to go toe to toe versus 2 ceptors and a kestrel (rascal nearly got my inty) ... I also respect a couple of pilots who got my ship, including pilots like Heikki, solocamping in a blasterthron and not afraid to engage against bad odds (odds weren't so bad, cost me a tempest) My point in this somewhat pompous post, was that fight deserving a GF are fights I remember. silence does not mean disrespect ... Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
TitusFlamininus Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:42:00 - [175] Edited by: TitusFlamininus on 31/01/2007 15:42:09 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- ++ And this also explicitly involves "tactics" such as Teamspeak spying, maximising Log-off/Log-on fleet maneuvers as well as DOS attacks against Alliance forums and Teamspeak servers. Just accept that your enemies will use these tactics against you. Even if they don't really need it (I am looking at you BoB).
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 15:55:00 - [176] Originally by: TitusFlamininus ++ And this also explicitly involves "tactics" such as Teamspeak spying, maximising Log-off/Log-on fleet maneuvers as well as DOS attacks against Alliance forums and Teamspeak servers. Just accept that your enemies will use these tactics against you. Even if they don't really need it (I am looking at you BoB). On the other hand, it's hard to respect people that constantly wallow in self pity and shout haxx abuze cheatzors constantly ... Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:05:00 - [177] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Edited by: TitusFlamininus on 31/01/2007 15:42:09 Originally by: CYVOK According to Sir Molle, Respect has no place in EvE. (Unless it is directed at him) Respect, Dignity, Morality & ethics do not matter because none of them will help win a battle. Only winning matters, how that goal is achieved does not. Its about Gamesmanship, Sportsmanship is dead. Bottom line, forget about everything. Fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and do whatever it takes to win. I assure you that your enemies will do exactly this. -CYVOK- ++ And this also explicitly involves "tactics" such as Teamspeak spying, maximising Log-off/Log-on fleet maneuvers as well as DOS attacks against Alliance forums and Teamspeak servers. Just accept that your enemies will use these tactics against you. Even if they don't really need it (I am looking at you BoB). I was going to put you straight on all front's but if you haven't learnt by now, why should i help you.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:23:00 - [178] Sure... we imagined the BoB voices on TS... Right... SJ. CLS Director =-
TitusFlamininus Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:55:00 - [179] Originally by: fire 59 I was going to put you straight on all front's but if you haven't learnt by now, why should i help you. My post was just a warning to anyone being naive and expecting a "clean" fight (what ever that may be). If you get attacked by BoB, use any tools available. Because (some) BoB definitely will. Don't get me wrong, 90% of BoB players are fantastic guys/gals who will give good fights. It's just the 10% of BoB who want to "win" EVE that are bothering me.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:08:00 - [180] Originally by: TitusFlamininus Originally by: fire 59 I was going to put you straight on all front's but if you haven't learnt by now, why should i help you. My post was just a warning to anyone being naive and expecting a "clean" fight (what ever that may be). If you get attacked by BoB, use any tools available. Because (some) BoB definitely will. Don't get me wrong, 90% of BoB players are fantastic guys/gals who will give good fights. It's just the 10% of BoB who want to "win" EVE that are bothering me. Well, Just to clarify one thing, I don't care about being a "good" or a "bad" Bob, and I consider the (currently controversial) practice of spying totally acceptable, as long as its stays within game mechanics (ie. gaining access to a TS/forum ressource via use of an in-game character infiltrated in the target corp/alliance) That's my view and where I draw the line. Hacking ressources such had TS and forums has no place in Eve, I'm still trying to decide whether I consider counterspying via IP tracking a valid solution, although I admit that on this one, I'm more concerned about the place where such IPs where gathered. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts

Traxex E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:29:00 - [181] Originally by: Vathar Wow, 6 pages about a non-existent gf, I guess I can say what I think from it. Most fights in Eve don't deserve a GF, ganking or get ganked doesn't necessarily show fighting skills. Let's take an example of a recent kill (ain't playing much at the moment, so I can remember every fight I take part in) Was camping a gate in a sabre, buddy on the other side in a jaguar, warns me of incoming enyo, I bubble the gate, enyo jumps, get bubbled, webbed and dies to a jaguar and a sabre. He tried to fight back, couldn't escape it, died and got podded ... Did the enyo pilot show exceptional bravery? no Did he act poorly during his fight? no Did we show exceptional skill? no Did we hide behind numbers ? no, we were waiting for bigger preys than a single AF, galaxy's a harsh place, I don't take 10 steps and turn around before engaging. He only made the mistake of jumping alone in an hostile system in a relatively slow ship. Doesn't deserve smacking, doesn't deserve praise either. He fought and died with honor, but this was not a "good fight" in the sense that it wasn't thrilling for any of us, the fight was mostly decided before it started. Nothing innovative on our side either, he uncloaked, tried to escape, got tackled and died ... I didn't send any GF, would have been it utter hypocrisy. Does it mean that I have no respect for the pilot, or even worse, for the player behind? Now a few minutes later, I got a mail from this player, don't have it here, but it said something like "nicely done, enjoy the loot, shame on me for being careless" ... My answer was something like "better luck next time" and I mean it. This mail exchange was strictly OOC between two players. the mistake about respect comes from the fact that people refuse to acknowledge a "neutral" level of respect, to which any pilot is entitled. A respectful silence after a fight is a good example of this respect. I remember a few pilots that earned respect by fighting me ... A young Goon running away from my rupture in his thorax who, after a few jumps away, decides that he'd rather die fighting than running, says in local "ok, let's do this" and engages. He lost his ship (mostly due to huge sp difference, I'll blatantly admit that I flew overconfidently) but earned a lot of respect. An enyo pilot (another one) who instead of running, decides to go toe to toe versus 2 ceptors and a kestrel (rascal nearly got my inty) ... I also respect a couple of pilots who got my ship, including pilots like Heikki, solocamping in a blasterthron and not afraid to engage against bad odds (odds weren't so bad, cost me a tempest) My point in this somewhat pompous post, was that fight deserving a GF are fights I remember. silence does not mean disrespect ... Good post.
Productioner Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:30:00 - [182] ok guys, it was 4 on 6. bgbr was the 4. we spanked them, we said GF they said noten, so yes it is skilled combat and it was a GF. man you all need to get a life. and if you do not know what your talking about then shut your mouth. plain and simple.. - Life is only one step away from death
Epislona Minmatar The Science of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:47:00 - [183] I have to say, that i really enjoy talking in local, as long as it isn't about the fight at hand... When i say "GF" i really mean it... i ENJOY pvp. i will Leroy into a gang of people that i am not sure i will beat. Calling someone a noob, making fun of their setup (nano***'s, stab***, ect), or general chest thumping is pretty rediculous. Someone who loses a fight in a royal pwning know's it, they don't need it rubbed in. But if it was a somewhat fair fight, evenly matched where one side came out on top. a GF in local is definatly called for. Because it is a token to the party who lost... might as well say "thanks for the fight" which i have said too. It's good to keep in mind that it's a game and we all want to win. It's disrespectful to rub it in someones face when they fail. [orange]Signature removed. Removed at request of eve-maps.com. Please review the forum rules. If you would like further details please mail mo
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:41:00 - [184] I just want to add to the respect stuff, that i felt hell of alot more respect for iron after the point blank battle we just had with iron than i did before. Was great fun, gf lad's. Local had none of the bollox we are accused of because it was good scrap, even numbers across the line pretty much
Llondon Hilton Minmatar AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:40:00 - [185] Originally by: fire 59 I just want to add to the respect stuff, that i felt hell of alot more respect for iron after the point blank battle we just had with iron than i did before. Was great fun, gf lad's. Local had none of the bollox we are accused of because it was good scrap, even numbers across the line pretty much I was in my 1st live action pvp battle recently... against BOB Even though BOB had more kills; there were GF's and NO smack from either them or FLA. Good rush-- happy endings (emphasis on the ending part as I was an ankle biting tackler squish) ~LH~ ---<---<-{@

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:13:00 - [186] O.k this has run its cource and contains alot of off topic posts. Going to lock it before it goes completely off... - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long



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