I was thinking about this today.
What I would suggest:
1. Fix carriers so they can be fit in similar way to the archon (so for chimera for example 3 shield transporters, energy transfer, triage and local shield tank of at least cap SB, SBA and an invul, nidhogur and thanatos with at least 3 reps of either type and local tank)

2. change the nidhogur and thanatos in similar way that scimitar and oneiros are different from guardian/basilisk. What I was thinking about would be move one high on those two carriers to either low or mid (low on thanny mid on niddy, for example) or add one high on chimera / archon add one low / mid on thanny / niddy.

3. Modify cap flux coils - either change them into low slot cap recharger (so just 20% cap recharge bonus and no penalty for t2) or reduce the cap penalty on them.

Oh Yeah, I bet you did! I bet you where thinking about flux coils all day weren't you you naughty little minx, you!

reworking carriers or trigae mode per se would imo be pretty risky and a little over the top...

but the T2 triage mod is lackluster (compared to T2 siege mod) and could probably be modified to make "better" triage fittings possible.

Hi Guys,

what do you think regarding a (Triage-) Carrier buff?
Currently the Archon is imho the only Carrier who is able to do his job. Every other carrier is having to much Fitting issues..

So I'm askin what do you think: would it be better to make every carrier able to fit:
High: 3x Cap Remote Reps, 1x Cap. Cap Transfer, 1x Triage
+ 2 Local Cap Reps + Tank + Cap Recharge.
(+ adjust Cap so they can run a decent time even in Triage)

This is not true. The thanatos also works (although at 100% grid).



You are too specific.

I think they should fit triage, 3x main capital logistics module, 1x secondary logistics module (depending on bonuses). So 3 armor, 1 cap for archon, 3 shield 1 cap for chimera, 3 armor 1 shield thanatos, and probably either combination, or 2/2 for nidhoggur.

For local tank, it doesn't make sense to fit 2 shield boosters. But they should have enough grid/cpu for a 4-5 slot tank.

Off course, I should fitt 3 cap remote armor repairs and 1 cap remote shild transfer + triage for a armor gang. how could i forget that.
A fit like that would work for pos / station repping o.c. but i want to get with this ship in a fight and do a decent job. And i dont want to find my fit in a fail-fit thread where everyone and his mother is loughing at that Idiot with shield transfers for an armor gang...

I almost dont like that idea mainly that I dont want to be a healer whne I fly a carrier, and that buff would push everyone more into that role. Too tired of wow for me to want to do that.

I've heard of people using a single shield rep successfully in armor gangs.

Shield transport and booster activates at the start of the cycle, and armor at the end of if. It's not unusual for armor logis to lock a target only to see it die before the reps finish the cycle. With one shield rep, you engage it just after locking, instantly giving the target 3k shield buffer to buy time for your armor reps to kick in.

It's one theory, and I'm not sure it's any worse than an unbonused cap transfer (15km max range) or an extra armor rep you don't have the cap to run. Even an archon can only run 4 reps for something like a minute, and that's from full cap.

I think they should fit triage, 3x main capital logistics module, 1x secondary logistics module (depending on bonuses). So 3 armor, 1 cap for archon, 3 shield 1 cap for chimera, 3 armor 1 shield thanatos, and probably either combination, or 2/2 for nidhoggur.

For local tank, it doesn't make sense to fit 2 shield boosters. But they should have enough grid/cpu for a 4-5 slot tank.

Reduce the CPU need of CSTs by about 25%-30%, reduce the CPU need of CSB by 60% (I'm not even kidding, that's how unbalanced they are) .

If you do that to CSB, they'll use less CPU than an X-Large booster At all other sizes, CPU doubles over the previous size, but the capital one only gets 50% over XL.

The CST also follows a pattern, each level takes 35 more CPU than previous.

[quote=Jack Dant]The chimera has 1,031 CPU, and each capital shield booster uses 300. The CSTs are 175. So you're already ******. What's more, the other mods you use STILL NEED CPU, and they need more than the armour ones. So you're ****** from both sides.

Oh, I agree, but the solution is to give it more CPU, not make the mods cheaper to fit.

Not all day, but I was trying to come up with some fits that got enbled by the new genolution implants, including a triage shield tanking, shield transfering niddy, which gets it's tank ruined by the CPR's and CFCs are just crap.

Some triage carrier balance would be nice. And Thanny is ass.

Either remove the drone damage bonus and add armor resist bonus(ohnoes archon copy!) or boost the drone damage bonus.

No, thanny dmg bonus don't matter pvp, and we don't care about pve. Gimp archon to be in line with other carriers.

Personally, I can't really think of a way to truly balance triage carriers.

That said, I do agree that shield set-ups are WAY too hard to fit and way too hard to keep capped. Relays shouldn't effect cap modules (there's plenty of stuff that doesn't) or flux coils should be better. Or, make a capital only low slot cap mod. Basically, do SOMETHING.

Other than that, which in essence would just be the tip of the ice burg it is a tough problem. To me it seems that capital remote modules are balanced so that the archon is fine and everyone else is screwed. If the other guys can't fit 3 reps they will never be useful as combat ships. Even if they are useable, you will still always be better served with all archons.

IMHO, CCP should be looking to completely rework all the fittings for all the carriers, and potentially ALL capital mods on all ships. The end result should be that all the ships can fit armor shield AND cap mods, forgetting the racial crap. What works on logistics ships does not work on carriers, they need cap transfers, and they need to be able to be used in whatever fleet comes to hand. After all of this we'd have:

Archon - High local armor tank.
Chimmy - High local shield tank.
Niddy - Highest shield rep output.
Thanny - Highest armor rep output.

And do whatever we need to do with the fittings and bonuses to make that happen, and preserving the ability for all of them to be refit to either tank type. Archons would still probably be the most useful triage carrier, because they would survive the best in triage, but at least when someone else brings something else, people aren't just giggling.

If they don't want to do that (and shame on them if they dont), they should add half-size capital remote modules. Half the fit, half the rep and cap amount. That would give carrier the chance to fit great but not amazing fits, but at least be able to physically fill all their high slots.

but anyway, I think the carriers are fine how they are. Except the CPU on the chimera, could use a small boost.

I like the nidhoggur as is, thank you very much. Out of all the triage carriers, it is the best of them. I say that with all seriousness and guess what, I have amarr carrier 5 too. So it's not like I'm in the dark here. The nidhoggur was buffed with crucible appropriately. Before it was a little gimped but even then it wasn't nearly as bad as many claimed. The archon is of course fine too. I'm also inclined to say the thanny is fine. It's certainly the worst of the triage carriers but it is the best ratting/missioning carrier. I really don't see a problem with that. The chimera desperately needed more CPU prior to crucible, I honestly don't know if they made any changes to it. Other than said CPU shortage, it's actually just fine.

In short, stop trying to convert the other 3 carriers into archons. Variety is good, I trained multiple carriers for a reason.