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Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:25:00 - [61] Edited by: Nev Clavain on 31/01/2007 19:22:53 Just had a brainwave! Use your credit card to buy timecodes from a us$ website. Yes the electronis ones that get emailed to you. If you are really a moral crusader i suppose you could declare them to customs and pay tax, but honestly - its not necessaary. Problem solved.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:33:00 - [62]
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:00:00 - [63] Originally by: Curver But how to know when you have to pay vat, quoting from direct.gov.uk: "Businesses with annual sales below ú61,000 don't have to register for (and therefore charge) VAT. If they don't, the price you pay for their goods or services may be cheaper than if you bought the same goods or services from a VAT-registered supplier." Does this company sell over ú61000 a year? how am i ment to know? You ask them. Of course in practice this is very difficult and time consuming but 'I didn't know' or 'I couldn't tell' will not get you off the hook if they choose to prosecute. Make no mistake - the law expects you to take responsibility for your actions. As the old adage has it "ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law" -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:10:00 - [64] Edited by: Andrue on 31/01/2007 20:13:59 Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 31/01/2007 15:50:27 Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Curver The point of the thread is not to discuss VAT. it is to discuss the BASE price of paying in the US and UK. Since Eurors pay a higher base price before any additions. The base price in euros is with VAT Added i believe. which is why it is higher. It's not included due to the fact that EVE is run by an Icelandic company, and is therefor clean of VAT charges in the UK, and other various European countries. A CCP person already cleared this up at some point in the past. UK has a VAT of 17.5, and it still isn't covered in the pricing. Math time! Euros: 15.00 EUR = 9.96457 GBP (we'll call this 10 GBP). Dollars: 15.00 USD = 7.67133 GBP (we'll call this 7.5 GBP). So, you're saying the Euro's include VAT? 7.5 * 17.5% VAT = 8.8125 (we'll call this 9 GBP). So we're being charged even more on top of VAT, even if it was due to it. This has been asked before, and it's simply a case of it costing more for us, not VAT. We've basicly been paying ú12 ($23.5) extra per year, if you include the VAT calculations, without, we pay roughly ú30($59) more per year. There have been several posts like this over the course of 2006, and this is the first of 2007 I believe. It would be nice if CCP got their act together over this and actually gave us something back for a bit. Americans did actually pay a little bit more than us for a year, but it was nothing to this magnitude. No we haven't. The Americans have been paying less relative to the EU which is a different thing. The American currency has weakened over the last couple of years particularly with respect to the Euro and Sterling (don't forget that Iceland is economically tied to the EU so is effectively a European country). You can't blame CCP for the Dollar tanking so you shouldn't be asking them to lower their prices for those of us living in the EU. Raising the dollar subscription would be more appropriate except that then you're punishing Americans for the decisions made by economists and financiers all round the world. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Siri Blue So that is why your FEMA thingy in Louisiana went so bad...no taxes to finance it But seriously...interesting to know that there are basically no taxes on internet stuff in the US... AND ONLY 7% taxes on all other stuff you buy?!? Sheesh!!! Me wants too! Ask him how much he (or his parents) pays for medical insurance. If he's employed ask him if he has a contract and if he does how many days annual leave is he allowed and what's the notice period? America is a land of opportunity but you have to work to get those opportunities. Quite often you have to work a helluva lot harder -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Apis Dorsetta As far as I know Iceland should not charge their Tax rate to any shipment to the UK as they arent a member of the EU. I work for a company that does quite a bit of shipping all over the world and we charge VAT only to the EU countries. CCP probably however include their tax price in the cost and those that shouldnt be charged the tax just loose out and they make a little extra cash off of them. Iceland is one of a couple of countries that are part of the EU when it comes to trade but not politics. Basically they have access to the free trade stuff but don't have to get tangled in the beuraucracy. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Cerwyn Taraman Minmatar Phoenix Tech Industries Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:42:00 - [67] Edited by: Cerwyn Taraman on 31/01/2007 20:42:43 Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Siri Blue So that is why your FEMA thingy in Louisiana went so bad...no taxes to finance it But seriously...interesting to know that there are basically no taxes on internet stuff in the US... AND ONLY 7% taxes on all other stuff you buy?!? Sheesh!!! Me wants too! Ask him how much he (or his parents) pays for medical insurance. If he's employed ask him if he has a contract and if he does how many days annual leave is he allowed and what's the notice period? America is a land of opportunity but you have to work to get those opportunities. Quite often you have to work a helluva lot harder So State + Local sales tax comes out to 7%-8% in most States. Some states do not have state income tax either such as Texas, they do however have slightly higher sales tax (8-9%). I pay ZERO for my health insurance, it is employer provided (I work for the State of NC at a University in IT). I do pay minimal copays on prescription drugs such as $10-15 and my copays on generic drugs are free (no cost at all to me for them or for the doctor visits). However, to be truthful here this is not the case for many people who work for small businesses. When I worked for a small business a year ago (my previous job) I paid $146.80/month for good health insurance (covered just about everything, minimum copays). That is for healthy non-smoking adult male, costs are higher for females and those with pre-existing conditions etc. I don't know how much State/Federal equivalent in income taxes you pay in the U.K. though. I may pay 7% for sales tax and mostly zero tax on internet goods, but I do pay around 30% of my income to the State, Federal, Social Security, and Medicare systems in income taxes. That number goes up or down based on your income level. Highest tax bracket is 39% atm IIRC. Lowest is free and lower income is around 15% income tax. Socialized healthcare has benefits and disadvantages. We pay for our healthcare but we don't get put on waiting lists for what doctors claim are "elective" surgeries even if such surgeries are directly affecting your quality of life. You pay, you get better healthcare is the generally thought of axiom here which is why socialized healthcare (read, government pays for everyone to get their version of healthcare) has not gotten much traction here at all.
CiNi FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:50:00 - [68] Originally by: Siri Blue Concerning VAT (which would be Zoll or importing tax in Germany I believe): Well, lets see... The tax is supposed to be 19% or so? Hm...and I'm paying 270 Million ISK per GTC... So thats 51.3 million in taxes... Where do I send that to? u made beer come out my nose!!! Firestar Is Not Recruiting :(
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:57:00 - [69] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 31/01/2007 21:55:34 Cerwyn Taraman, Texas also has much higher property tax rates. According to people I know who have moved there, there's really very little actual difference. That's all second hand, though. //Maya
Bosie Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Jiekon The best idea is to contact your local Inland Revenue or Customs office if you have any questions.) We merged and are now called HM Revenue & Customs and that link has all the information you need. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." ...Winston
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Siri Blue Edited by: Siri Blue on 31/01/2007 15:30:31 I somehow doubt that there is no tax on GTCs in the US... In the end that means due to the low $ value atm CCP is losing money on GTCs cause they do their business in Euros I guess... When the Euro-$ relation was 1:1 and a GTC cost 14.99$ and a 3 month subscription 14.99Ç then CCP made 14 Euro 99 from each...(substracting any taxes and stuff of course) Now that the Euro-$ relation is 1-1.3 CCP makes 14.99 Ç of the subscription while only making 11.53Ç off the GTC (again substracting any taxes from both) See the point everyone? It is simple: in the USA the VAT tax is different from state to state. So a buyer in a different state must apply the VAT of the state where he live if buying through mail services or internet, and pay that to the state where he live, not the one where he buy the item (if he buy in a store, the VAT is applied directly). Apparently this form of tax evasion (not paying VAT tax through internet puchases) is very common in the USA. I have discovered all the above during a voyage in the USA last june, speaking with a friend living here. Buying in aduty free in an airport has the same kind of "discount", no VAT tax. The import tax is another thing, and it is applyed indipendently by the VAT tax.
Kara Kaprica Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain It's down to exchange rates... At the end of the day, CCP still get the same amount paid to them in Euro's so they are not ripping you off. No, thats a crockite of sheet. if i pay ú10 it transfers into x euros if i pay ú11 it transfers into x euros +10% Yours not paying ANY rate over the internet, it is purely what one monetary type is worth against the other. Simple fact is by only allowing (gtc not withstanding) Euro and UK players to pay vias Euros, we ARE paying more money, be it pounds euros or dollars. More money leaves my pocket (well not actually as i buy USA gtc) for the same service, ergo, being ripped off. Always Outnumbered. Never Outgunned.
Tinselle Po'Ulas	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 31/01/2007 20:13:59 Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 31/01/2007 15:50:27 Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Curver The point of the thread is not to discuss VAT. it is to discuss the BASE price of paying in the US and UK. Since Eurors pay a higher base price before any additions. The base price in euros is with VAT Added i believe. which is why it is higher. It's not included due to the fact that EVE is run by an Icelandic company, and is therefor clean of VAT charges in the UK, and other various European countries. A CCP person already cleared this up at some point in the past. UK has a VAT of 17.5, and it still isn't covered in the pricing. Math time! Euros: 15.00 EUR = 9.96457 GBP (we'll call this 10 GBP). Dollars: 15.00 USD = 7.67133 GBP (we'll call this 7.5 GBP). So, you're saying the Euro's include VAT? 7.5 * 17.5% VAT = 8.8125 (we'll call this 9 GBP). So we're being charged even more on top of VAT, even if it was due to it. This has been asked before, and it's simply a case of it costing more for us, not VAT. We've basicly been paying ú12 ($23.5) extra per year, if you include the VAT calculations, without, we pay roughly ú30($59) more per year. There have been several posts like this over the course of 2006, and this is the first of 2007 I believe. It would be nice if CCP got their act together over this and actually gave us something back for a bit. Americans did actually pay a little bit more than us for a year, but it was nothing to this magnitude. No we haven't. The Americans have been paying less relative to the EU which is a different thing. The American currency has weakened over the last couple of years particularly with respect to the Euro and Sterling (don't forget that Iceland is economically tied to the EU so is effectively a European country). You can't blame CCP for the Dollar tanking so you shouldn't be asking them to lower their prices for those of us living in the EU. Raising the dollar subscription would be more appropriate except that then you're punishing Americans for the decisions made by economists and financiers all round the world. you simply make everyone pay in the same currency and forget the who pays more *******s. k?
Soon Tzu	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Kara Kaprica Originally by: Rashmika Clavain It's down to exchange rates... At the end of the day, CCP still get the same amount paid to them in Euro's so they are not ripping you off. No, thats a crockite of sheet. if i pay ú10 it transfers into x euros if i pay ú11 it transfers into x euros +10% Yours not paying ANY rate over the internet, it is purely what one monetary type is worth against the other. Simple fact is by only allowing (gtc not withstanding) Euro and UK players to pay vias Euros, we ARE paying more money, be it pounds euros or dollars. More money leaves my pocket (well not actually as i buy USA gtc) for the same service, ergo, being ripped off. No merchant will charge a USA VAT since they do not have one, and by using USA currency, you evaded the VAT charge up front, so you still owe your local tax man his due...you will have saved nothing if you followed the law. comparing one countries currency to another and avoiding the local taxes you have a duty to pay, results in you seeing apples, when the matter at hand, is oranges.

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