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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.12 02:57:20 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Oh god this thread is hilarious now.
Cruciflex - if it wasn't your friend buying and stripping these characters it would be someone else.
I do think there is overproduction of skill injectors at the moment and they will fall hard in price - well below the prices the fundamentals indicate would be a stable long-term price. havent logged in for a few weeks, mind telling the total volume / daily volume per day figures?
I think Dr. Mibbles posted something back up stream....
And yes, this thread just turned hilarious, and look who stopped posting once he was outed. What a complete tool.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.02.12 03:07:34 -
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Removed some off topic posts. Keep it civil, thanks.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.12 04:35:50 -
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Well Mr. Cruciflex sure did make a mess of things...which is too bad as I a couple of my deleted posts had some good points and I purposefully avoided quoting the ****** for precisely that reason...
The point is that the character bazaar and the SP market will have positive feedbacks. The price of characters will likely rise due to the SP market. Some people were hoping to cash in on that, and IMO Cruciflex was one of them and he was pissed Dr. Mibbles was "ruining" his profits.
So selling a character with over 5 million SP and definitely over 50 million will see an increase in the price of such characters. Some players--e.g. Cruciflex--were hoping to cash in on this. But such a market is short lived as competition and arbitrage drive such profits towards zero.
Basically, the market was working as intended and some player were butthurt that other players were posting and trying to accelrate such a process.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2016.02.12 05:08:12 -
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my posts were out of line, thanks for deleting mods, that guy really got my goat.
on topic, ill try and log in & analyse the market aver the weekend. from what im reading, ill likely hold onto my AURUM.
@JerryTPepridge
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Mazare Mircea
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2016.02.12 07:46:53 -
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The price of the injector i think long term will settle for slightly over 700m, and will make it's way to 800m.
Atm it is kept low artificially. |
Dr Mibbles
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:34:34 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
Basically, the market was working as intended and some player were butthurt that other players were posting and trying to accelrate such a process.
I can understand his frustration, however we all have our positions on the market and we're all inclined to do what is required to help our positions attain a healthy return.
For many of us, 'playing the market' isn't just about buying and selling, but also about information and informing, influencing feelings and opinions. A side benefit is that many of the sellers are grateful for being informed of the market value of their character, so warm feelings all round (SP re-sellers aside).
Market Update:
The over-supply of extractors continues. Demand for injectors remains balanced and appears to be increasing, buy orders and average prices have increased over the last 12 hours.
 Skill Extractors
Units for Sale: 6,257 (+4%)
Units on Buy Orders: 1,557 (-20%)
Sell price: 293m (-4%)
Skill Injectors
Units for Sale: 2,648 (+2%)
Units on Buy Orders: 4,139 (+89%)
Sell price: 641m (+2%) |
Ruvin
Out of Sight.
202
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Posted - 2016.02.12 10:11:12 -
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i missed all the drama :(
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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Mazare Mircea
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2016.02.12 12:22:48 -
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2 weeks time, the Injector will definitely gain 10-12% over now.
Despite there being an overabundance in extractors the price drops but not fast, very slowl; the source of some of these extractors will just get more expensive after the 16th.
It will take time to adjust, but it will go up.
As for the SP price, ppl seem to accept the 340m / 500k sp area.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:29:09 -
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Ruvin wrote:i missed all the drama :(
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KUMAR OK
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:22:06 -
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I thought this forum was for discussing the market? |
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Dr Mibbles
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.12 15:57:59 -
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KUMAR OK wrote:I thought this forum was for discussing the market?
Yes! Let us return to normality.
Skill Extractor prices have hit a new, record low in Jita as supply continues to outstrip demand
Currently they have dipped to 289m per extractor
This is however matched by a decline in PLEX values, from 1.280bn yesterday to 1.238bn today
Skill Injector prices continue to hold, climbing slightly as supply and demand remain approximately in balance.
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Ruvin
Out of Sight.
202
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Posted - 2016.02.12 16:23:20 -
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if the profit gets above 10 20% i will convert all my alts in farms. Atm they train "probably usefull stuff in distant future" but for some profit i can put everything on hold.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2016.02.12 22:59:08 -
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Dr Mibbles wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Basically, the market was working as intended and some player were butthurt that other players were posting and trying to accelrate such a process.
I can understand his frustration, however we all have our positions on the market and we're all inclined to do what is required to help our positions attain a healthy return. For many of us, 'playing the market' isn't just about buying and selling, but also about information and informing, influencing feelings and opinions. A side benefit is that many of the sellers are grateful for being informed of the market value of their character, so warm feelings all round (SP re-sellers aside). Market Update:The over-supply of extractors continues. Demand for injectors remains balanced and appears to be increasing, buy orders and average prices have increased over the last 12 hours. Skill ExtractorsUnits for Sale: 6,257 (+4%) Units on Buy Orders: 1,557 (-20%) Sell price: 293m (-4%) Skill InjectorsUnits for Sale: 2,648 (+2%) Units on Buy Orders: 4,139 (+89%) Sell price: 641m (+2%)
as expected, waaaaaay too much volume
thanks for the update
@JerryTPepridge
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rtodeto
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:08:16 -
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Dr Mibbles wrote:KUMAR OK wrote:I thought this forum was for discussing the market? Yes! Let us return to normality. Skill Extractor prices have hit a new, record low in Jita as supply continues to outstrip demand Currently they have dipped to 289m per extractor This is however matched by a decline in PLEX values, from 1.280bn yesterday to 1.238bn today Skill Injector prices continue to hold, climbing slightly as supply and demand remain approximately in balance.
skill injector
jita
2016.02.09 00.00.00
quantity - 36344
avg - 657m
2016.02.10 00.00.00
quantity - 33282
avg - 645m
2016.02.11 00.00.00
quantity - 23189
avg - 640m
2016.02.12 00.00.00
quantity - 21297
avg - 632m
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rtodeto
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.02.14 09:41:50 -
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jita
skill injector
2016.02.13 00:00:00
quantity - 22002
avg - 619m
skill extractor
2016.02.13 00:00:00
quantity - 20848
avg - 286m
plex
2016.02.13 00:00:00
quantity - 8249
avg - 1199m
skill injector - skill extractor = 333m |
Dr Mibbles
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.18 10:38:45 -
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Calling the turn in the market today. Buy orders of Skill Injectors (5,700) now hugely outweighing sell orders (1,300).
Sharp contraction in Skill Injector supply and rapidly rising prices - up to 670m in Amarr and 650m in Jita, with little new stock coming on the market to settle prices back down. People are playing the 0.01isk game, but there are no substantial supply buffers to prevent prices escalating quickly.
It will only take a few more days of this for prices to escalate beyond people's expectations.
Of course there could be a new supply shock if people have been hoarding waiting for certain 'sell points' (700m, 750m, etc). Let's see what happens. The fun starts here. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.18 16:33:48 -
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Dr Mibbles wrote:Calling the turn in the market today. Buy orders of Skill Injectors (5,700) now hugely outweighing sell orders (1,300).
Sharp contraction in Skill Injector supply and rapidly rising prices - up to 670m in Amarr and 650m in Jita, with little new stock coming on the market to settle prices back down. People are playing the 0.01isk game, but there are no substantial supply buffers to prevent prices escalating quickly.
It will only take a few more days of this for prices to escalate beyond people's expectations.
Of course there could be a new supply shock if people have been hoarding waiting for certain 'sell points' (700m, 750m, etc). Let's see what happens. The fun starts here. I wouldn't be surprised if injectors were over 800m by the end of the week.
This will be an interesting thing to watch. Rising prices can cause people to buy on the expectation of future price increases which lead to further price increase....but at a certain point the selling starts and the bubble bursts....
Of course, given the connection of PLEX to AUR and ISK we have a way of determining the intrinsic value of SP injectors, IMO. I see a final/long run price of about 800 million with the price tracking that of PLEX as well as being the current "intrinsic value" price.
Some suggested readings:
Smith, Vernon L.; Suchanek, Gerry L.; Williams, Arlington W. (1988). "Bubbles, Crashes, and Endogenous Expectations in Experimental Spot Asset Markets". Econometrica 56 (5): 1119GÇô1151
Caginalp, G.; Balenovich, D. (1999). "Asset flow and momentum: deterministic and stochastic equations". Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A 357 (1758): 2119GÇô2133
Caginalp, G.; Porter, D.; Smith, V.L. (1998). "Initial cash/asset ratio and asset prices: an experimental study". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 95 (2): 756GÇô761
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rtodeto
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.21 10:10:08 -
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If you are a >80m skillpoint character , which dont need any additional skillpoints, did the skllpoint trading change made this a freetoplay game for them ? (farming skillpoints then selling this skillpoints to buy plex to buy gametime) And if so, how much would this cost ccp in subscription fees ? And how long before ccp intervenes to remove this situation ? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.02.21 11:48:03 -
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rtodeto wrote:If you are a >80m skillpoint character , which dont need any additional skillpoints, did the skllpoint trading change made this a freetoplay game for them ? (farming skillpoints then selling this skillpoints to buy plex to buy gametime) And if so, how much would this cost ccp in subscription fees ? And how long before ccp intervenes to remove this situation ?
Uh - that's not costing CCP a cent.
It means that instead of CCP getting money via a subscription from the 80m SP character, they are getting money from the person that bought the PLEX the 80m SP character consumed, PLUS the Aurum consumed to create the SP extractors.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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rtodeto
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.21 12:54:39 -
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I disagree. The subscription model has substiantial benifits For a Company over one time purchases, like plex or aurum. subscription through there predictability , generaties longterm , steady revenues. A plexed , aurum,player could buy For a thousand dollar on plex and aurum , spend It, Play one month , decides its nothing For him and leave the game again. As a Company you cent base budgets For the next year on such erratic/variable revenue. One year such erratic revenue Will Be through the roof, the next year It might be in the dumpster , while the salaries are fixed costs.
But I suppose your answer implies that indeed the 80million+ players have goten themselves a freetoplay game through the skilltrading mechanism. |
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.02.21 15:17:10 -
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Told you. |
Janna Shihari
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.22 00:04:55 -
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People using the word "rational" to define conformity to their thinking are simply arrogant.
"Rational" is a characteristic of humans that cannot be defined in a normative way, but only in a descriptive way. |
Praal
Bearded BattleBears
I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2016.02.22 10:28:42 -
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The price of injectors is limited in relation to the price of PLEX and extractors. If the profit from SP of a month of training surpasses a PLEX, a huge number of 5.5+M SP characters will instantly be turned into SP farms. At that point any/all inactive accounts (with 5.5+M SP) are worth activating, and any/all (with 5.5+M SP) character slots are worth dual-training.
For example, I currently produce 1 character's worth of SP because I have one account that has 3 specialized, maxed-for-their-purpose chars. One of them now also serves as an SP producer just to offset some of the account cost. However, if injector profits surpassed PLEX. I would instantly dual-train 11 other characters as SP farm. This is the case for many people who have specialized characters who aren't training now, but are already over 5.5M, or characters on inactive accounts (how many inactive accounts for miners/bombers are floating around from the time before the broadcasting ban?). |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.02.27 15:37:50 -
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Any ideas on injectors price forecast? Have some hundreds rotting in my hangar. Selling? Keeping? |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2016.03.03 01:48:55 -
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The supply will never be higher than it is now.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
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rtodeto
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:05:03 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Any ideas on injectors price forecast? Have some hundreds rotting in my hangar. Selling? Keeping?
I would wait until after 6th march. I think there was a dev blog that said that aurum would become more expensive, from this date, this will probably have a impact on the price of skill extractors, probably they will rise, which probably will also cause the price of skill injectors to rise accordingly. When the skill injectors price has stabilized, I would sell.
Eve-central show that the tables for skill injectors have turned, with respect to the amount of buy orders vs sell orders.
https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=40520
Before last week or so, there were more buy orders then sell orders, which meant that the price of skill injectors could rise. Since last week there are more sell orders then buy orders, currently 5173 units in sell orders, vs 4667 in buy orders, which means the price will decline.
I suppose the sp farmers have caught up with the amount of skill injectors buyers..
This is the only item, on market, were its interesting to sell at a loss, as its offsets subscription costs..
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
831
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Posted - 2016.03.03 17:07:38 -
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The Aurum offers ended two days ago.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/final-weekend-for-aurum-offers-package-price-changes-arriving-next-week/
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/skill-trading-launch-offers-on-aur-subscriptions-and-plex/
https://secure.eveonline.com/AurStore/
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Lord Ra
Section XII
The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
46
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Posted - 2016.03.09 12:24:09 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Demand will decline somewhat.
EVE has a fair number of trillionaires. Some percentage of these people are undoubtedly looking to 'perfect' their main character and willing to spend 20b, 100b or even a quarter trillion to do so.
This is a once-off demand spike too.
price is 1.8 trillion to max out. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11152
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:20:31 -
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Janna Shihari wrote:People using the word "rational" to define conformity to their thinking are simply arrogant.
"Rational" is a characteristic of humans that cannot be defined in a normative way, but only in a descriptive way.
This is a video game forum, sir, not NPC Poasting Alt Dictionary Corner
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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2016.03.10 15:08:28 -
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Lord Ra wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Demand will decline somewhat.
EVE has a fair number of trillionaires. Some percentage of these people are undoubtedly looking to 'perfect' their main character and willing to spend 20b, 100b or even a quarter trillion to do so.
This is a once-off demand spike too.
price is 1.8 trillion to max out.
If you start with a fresh character and inject all the SP necessary to max out before applying any of the SP, do you continue getting 500k from the injectors? Or do the diminishing returns on injectors factor in unallocated SP? |
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