Just wondering what's on the drawing board. You buffed hybrids a little bit, but most Gallente ships and their bonuses are still messed up. things to address:

- shield vs. armor tank; armor rigs
(armor tanking is generally incompatible with mobility and high dps because of speed penalties and low slot usage; everyone may be attempting to fly half-assed shield tanks, but the bonuses and slots dont match)
- speed
- active vs passive tanking
- ammo
- medium hybrids (especially rails; they are awful; there isnt a single ship that can setup a decent tank with a rack of 250mm's)

over the last 3 years, Gallente ships have been getting torn apart by nano Drakes and Canes (for example). Gallente have the worst possible damage projection in the game. will this race's ships become viable once again (in comparison to the rest), or do you guys need more metrics (serious question) ?

there's absolutely no reason why rails should not be able to do what arties and pulses can.

*cough* Beams *cough*

Removing Rig Penalties would be a big start.

Between Gallente Armor Ships with Armor Rigs that don't hurt there Speed, Astronautics Rigs that increase it w/o hurting there tank and Hybrid Rigs that can be fit with a rack of Neutrons well that would definitely help a lot.

As long as Arties with there Massive Alpha and Selectable Dmg Types and Scorch that has the fleet range with greater tracking and Dmg Exist then Rails and Beams will always be a foot note.

there's absolutely no reason why rails should not be able to do what arties and pulses can.

Dear devs, can you make rigs not stacking penalized against modules?

Every module is stacking penalized. But rigs are modifications to ship's hulls itself, this is why they should not be affected by modules. It will make every other rig more useful than plain armor rigs.

Because armor rigs don't have serious drawbacks and give maximum result with less penalty, because they affect one of four resists, modules plug half of it and rigs cover holes.

Possibly resist rigs should give rainbow protection in smaller amounts. Max hit points rigs are too good. Active tanking rigs are not too popular.

85% of the rigs have no use, time to change bonuses and redesign the concept once again

I'd still like to see Hybrids redesigned.

Blasters = Slow rate of fire, HUGE alpha.
Rails = Very high rate of fire, low alpha, good DPS.

Basically the exact opposite of Auto Cannon and Artillery.

For mobility:

Higher acceleration.


For defense 2 possibilities come to mind.

Hyper small sig radius (explained by their more "organic" lines)
Structure tanking that isn't actually a joke.

I'd still like to see Hybrids redesigned.

Blasters = Slow rate of fire, HUGE alpha.
Rails = Very high rate of fire, low alpha, good DPS.

Basically the exact opposite of Auto Cannon and Artillery.

For mobility:

Higher acceleration.


For defense 2 possibilities come to mind.

Hyper small sig radius (explained by their more "organic" lines)
Structure tanking that isn't actually a joke.

rate of fire is actually an interesting way to justify bringing ranges back into line.

I'd propose that much of what ought to happen for balance is to consider ewar (inspired by your sig radius idea)...

Firstly, ECM needs to be changed to be a 100% effective -1 target slot instead of chance based -all target slots. .

[quote=Ranger 1]Caldari should have slower locking speeds and lower base targeting range, making damps most effective versus caldari

The race that specializes in rails and missiles, I.E. the longest range weapons in the game... should have the shortest targeting range?

I like a lot of the theory behind mkints proposal, justification should be somewhat apparent as to why a races EW capabilities have specialized the way they have. To attain that might require some reshuffling, or perhaps reworking the underlying mechanics of how the EW works specifically.

If Caldari (for example) could retain their longer lock range, but be more vulnerable to the range decreasing effect of Sensor Damps than other races due to how they worked....

I would require a great deal of thought, but it is a worthy goal. It would be nice to look at a races strengths and see a logical cause/effect relationship as to why it developed that way based on who their enemies are.

Edit: Another reason to consider digging this deep into the mechanics of things would be that weapon balance and EW balance between the various races have always had fundamental issues. It might be wise to bite the bullet and devote most of an expansion into reworking both systems to work hand in glove in a logical fashion.

And no, the 100% chance to -1 target slot would not be any less useless than any of the other ewar types.

I'd still like to see Hybrids redesigned.

Blasters = Slow rate of fire, HUGE alpha.
Rails = Very high rate of fire, low alpha, good DPS.

Basically the exact opposite of Auto Cannon and Artillery.

For mobility:

Higher acceleration.


For defense 2 possibilities come to mind.

Hyper small sig radius (explained by their more "organic" lines)
Structure tanking that isn't actually a joke.

Just wondering what's on the drawing board. You buffed hybrids a little bit, but most Gallente ships and their bonuses are still messed up. things to address:

Uh, I don't think you were paying attention.

All Gallente ships were buffed in both speed and agility.

You're right, it would be far more useless.

You devote 5 slots to remove 5 of my targeting slots. I can target 6 things. You have wasted 5 slots and I can still kill you just as easily as before.

mkint makes a good point on the ECM; "because of falcon" exists for a reason.
Moving the "I'll spin a coin and if it's a heads, you're jammed - oh and I get to flick the coin while it's spinning" to a "I declare my ECM on you" system is a good thing. All other forms of ewarfare are all guarenteed to do what it says on the box.
Most ships don't have 10 target slots either.

As for balancing the races...
I'm going to jump on the bandwagon with the rock/paper/scissors ewar suggestion.
Every race has two kinds of ewarfare though (one offensive, one practical), so maybe we're talking about a two handed rock/paper/scissors scenario.
As a reminder:
- Amarr have capacitor warfare and tracking disruption.
- Gallente have interdiction (points) and sensor dampeners.
- Minmatar have Target Painting and Webbing.

- Caldari have ECM and... well... would you look at that; they don't have a secondary ewarfare type! HERECY!
What could be done about this if the current ECM was changed to be inline with the rest of the ewar forms?