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CCP Paradox 1443	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:05:45 - [1] - Quote Hello once again space scientists, We have brought back Project Discovery on Singularity with some changes. For a quick reminder of what this is, you can catch up by reading these: You can find out more about Project Discovery at the website here. And also from this latest Dev Blog: Project Discovery needs you! Since the January mass test, we have worked on the most requested change asked by players. Responsive UI. You can now resize the Project Discovery window to better view under high resolutions such as on a 4K monitor. For those of you who wanted this, please let us know what you think. There are limits on resizing, so there is a maximum and minimum size. Faster switching between color channels. We load all images now at the same time, so you can change color channels quickly without waiting. New classification categories. As some of you may have noticed last time, sometimes there just isn't a good enough classification for the image you are looking at. New classifications can be found at anytime, and this has actually happened with Rods and Rings. Cytoplasm - Rods and Rings Rods and rings are, as the name suggests, rod and ring structures found in the cell. They are small but distinct and usually there are only one or a few of them. However, both shapes can occur in the same cell. Their function in the cell is yet unknown. Misc - Cell-to-Cell variations As the cell is growing and dividing it undergoes different life cycles. During those cycles the protein content and distribution can vary. Proteins can move between different locations, or they can be more or less expressed. This can be observed as differences in locations between cells, or in varying intensity of the same location in different cells. Analysis Kredits. This new currency will be given to you when your Analysis Rank increases. You will be able to find how many you have right now via a tooltip on the Analysis Rank, and we are currently working on a better UI location to display that. Soon to come Multiple example images per classification. Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now. Analysis Kredits rewards. The Analysis Kredits you earn when ranking up, can be spent in the Sisters of EVE loyalty point store. The rewards are coming soon, and we will let you know when they are on Singularity. Accuracy Rating rewards. If your Accuracy Rating drops below 40%, you will earn half the ISK and receive no experience points. It's important to keep accurate. Additionally if the Accuracy Rating drops below 30%, you will receive no ISK or experience points. These values are subject to change, and we will keep an eye on the feedback provided. Flight Academy video. To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube. Known Issues Professor Lundberg's image is missing from the tutorial and will return tomorrow. Thank you for trying out Project Discovery, -Team Astro Sparkle CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 86	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:15:36 - [2] - Quote Lundberg gone indeed The tutorial sample where you need to select one of the two unidentifiable is bugged, you cannot select one of the two options (see bug report), meaning the tutorial cannot be finished :\| Analysis kredits: Can they be used for special items in the SoE store or are they just LP? Because eitherwise it will, in the long run, crash the SoE market. There is no explanation field for the misc, instead the unidentifiable text hovers over the misc option

CCP Paradox 1443	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:28:24 - [3] - Quote Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 86	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:29:29 - [4] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more. Great! Is there a possiblity that you could list these special items in your OP? Can they currently be obtained on SiSI?

CCP Paradox 1443	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:50:04 - [5] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more. Great! Is there a possiblity that you could list these special items in your OP? Can they currently be obtained on SiSI? See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.


CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 0	Posted - 2016.02.19 11:50:32 - [6] - Quote I am aware of the bug with the tutorial, and working on a fix asap. It broke because it was not prepared for the two new categories.

Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8066	Posted - 2016.02.19 16:04:12 - [7] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available. Will be very curious about this one. ;) Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1611	Posted - 2016.02.19 16:22:12 - [8] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available. Will be very curious about this one. ;) What do you think the odds are it's related to his screwing around when you ran into him on Sisi yesterday? :P Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8066	Posted - 2016.02.19 16:40:14 - [9] - Quote I'm sure he was just checking to make sure they didn't break anything. ;) That said, my guess right now for PD materials: SoE vanity items or Drifter Boosters. :x Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Shen Rajinto InterSun Freelance 21	Posted - 2016.02.20 07:22:01 - [10] - Quote I suggest the filters be on/off toggles individually. It's much easier to turn the blue on and then off and again if you don't have to click around in different areas.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 87	Posted - 2016.02.24 00:16:13 - [11] - Quote Updated my main feedback post :) Also people please try out Project Discovery and provide feedback! There is way to few responders!
Balta Katei BALTAKATEI Baltakatei Heavy Industries 0	Posted - 2016.02.25 04:36:13 - [12] - Quote As of now (2016-02-25T04:10Z) I cannot zoom in on the lower and right 8th of the foreign cell sample image. Mousing over from the bottom of the image does not make the bottom parts of the image visible. Instead the lower boundry of the zoomed section skips the bottom 8th of the image. Same with the right side of the image. There is no problem with zooming into the top and left sections of the image. Identification of the aggresome over that of a microtubule organizing center requires that we be able to clearly see whether or not the small cluster of green overlaps OR NOT with the red. There is no option to only show red (without the green). Please add the ability to only see the red channel without the green.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.25 09:34:55 - [13] - Quote Balta Katei wrote: Identification of the aggresome over that of a microtubule organizing center requires that we be able to clearly see whether or not the small cluster of green overlaps OR NOT with the red. There is no option to only show red (without the green). Please add the ability to only see the red channel without the green. It would indeed be nice if we could filter red only. But for the difference between a Aggresome and a Microtubele organizing center it is not really needed. The aggresome is more of a round/oval ball while the organizing center is a more diffuse collection of specks.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.25 20:57:12 - [14] - Quote I'll wait for the SiSi patch tomorrow to throw out feedback but for now there seems to be something a tad broken. The options are gone when you submit your analysis. Rods and rings + Cell-to-Cell variations stay while all the other options take their leave. If this removal of options is intentional, please reverse it :) I cannot wholly put into words why I dislike it, it is not as easy on the eye(?) that sudden disappearence. Also the Analysis Kredit reward is slashed in half? It is nice to see the items one can buy with AK but I have a few questions regarding this: There is only 6 items in the store. This seems to be a bit...few? With the reward halved I now get 5K Kredits per level. This means I need to level three times at rank 100+ to buy the cheapest item in the store. This seems a bit excessive? o7 Checking back tomorrow for all the changes
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.26 12:24:20 - [15] - Quote This post will serve as my feedback post for the 26-2 update. First off: The extra images help A TON, I cannot explain how much they help. So much is more clear now! This is a huge thing and thank you so much for including it!

CCP Paradox 1448	Posted - 2016.02.26 13:19:04 - [16] - Quote Please submit bug reports in game for issues you have, for example the two stacked screens and also XP bar. We have not seen this and would like an in game report so that logs are also included from your client. The disappearing options are in the known issues above, they will return we were just switching out JPG for PNG. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.26 13:30:37 - [17] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Please submit bug reports in game for issues you have, for example the two stacked screens and also XP bar. We have not seen this and would like an in game report so that logs are also included from your client. The disappearing options are in the known issues above, they will return we were just switching out JPG for PNG. Bug reports send :)

CCP Paradox 1448	Posted - 2016.02.26 13:42:45 - [18] - Quote Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :) CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.26 14:26:07 - [19] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :) By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it. Are there any thoughts going on about this?

CCP Paradox 1450	Posted - 2016.02.26 16:29:26 - [20] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :) By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it. Are there any thoughts going on about this? There are more items to come. There is also no maximum rank or cap set in place. We can keep adding new items as demand drives it, and we will be watching this closely after launch. Feedback on rewards is more than welcome here, we want to hear from you! CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.26 16:39:57 - [21] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :) By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it. Are there any thoughts going on about this? There are more items to come. There is also no maximum rank or cap set in place. We can keep adding new items as demand drives it, and we will be watching this closely after launch. Feedback on rewards is more than welcome here, we want to hear from you! Thanks for that! This does begs another question tho: The ranking still appears (or I missed something) to be linear. This means that one can level very quickly to very high levels. The AK reward keeps going up. This means that a high player can do the same amount of classifications and get way, way more AK. Think 80 AK vs 6000 AK for the same amount of classifications (rank 3 vs rank 102). How is this being tackled? As for the rewards, unique items are always nice. Any other item will probably hurt the market for that particular item making it hard to give those out. Personally I like usable items, like the boosters, but I can imagine a special SoE skin that can be bought with AK would be nice aswell.

CCP Paradox 1451	Posted - 2016.02.26 16:58:31 - [22] - Quote The ranking is indeed linear for the test server, and will be changed for launch. CCP Paradox \| EVE QA \| Team Astro Sparkle Always bet on the Drifters.

Nana Skalski Poseidaon 5788	Posted - 2016.02.26 17:24:12 - [23] - Quote I had Project Discovery icon moved from business part of Neocom menu to the Neocom bar before the update. Now when I removed it, I cant find it anywhere. Its nowhere to be found. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.26 17:31:11 - [24] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: I had Project Discovery icon moved from business part of Neocom menu to the Neocom bar before the update. Now when I removed it, I cant find it anywhere. Its nowhere to be found. I had this problem aswell but realized you could map Project Discovery to a key in the shortcut menu ;)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 5790	Posted - 2016.02.26 18:04:02 - [25] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: Nana Skalski wrote: I had Project Discovery icon moved from business part of Neocom menu to the Neocom bar before the update. Now when I removed it, I cant find it anywhere. Its nowhere to be found. I had this problem aswell but realized you could map Project Discovery to a key in the shortcut menu ;) Thanks, but if it will behave like that on tranquility, people will not be happy. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Oktura Ostus Wicked Privateers Smile 'n' Wave 9	Posted - 2016.02.27 00:49:58 - [26] - Quote Please, add 'blue only' filter. It would be helpfull to find holes in blue "necleus", so it will be easier to find out where is "Nucleoli (fibliar center)". 160018302 - good example where it would be helpful to find out are there any holes under 'green' dots or not.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 5807	Posted - 2016.02.27 09:18:00 - [27] - Quote This small image inside image is not really needed for me, in fact it is completely obstructing part of image and doesnt really help in orienting where I am. I see it more distractng than helping. I know these images have fixed resolution, so zoom is fixed. Keep it simple. leave zoom lock, get rid of the small image. And the category samples, they are staying in place, showing the image if I get cursor on them. I would want to change category rather than move my cursor around category sample image. Now i have to be carefull not to move cursor on the category sample image. It is slightly annoying. ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Akkerman Shalyga Soviet W-Space Warriors 0	Posted - 2016.02.29 13:59:01 - [28] - Quote There are a lot of confusing samples without any hint. For example, here (ex. 160000370): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/wrong.png I can't see green thin strands. I can't see any yellow point. Maybe we need some more hints about how to detect such features?
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.02.29 14:28:20 - [29] - Quote Akkerman Shalyga wrote: There are a lot of confusing samples without any hint. For example, here (ex. 160000370): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/wrong.png I can't see green thin strands. I can't see any yellow point. Maybe we need some more hints about how to detect such features? The sample is not confusing, either the players or the system behind it is giving a false positive. There are a few of these examples where the 'good' option is just plain wrong.
Akkerman Shalyga Soviet W-Space Warriors 0	Posted - 2016.02.29 14:43:38 - [30] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: Akkerman Shalyga wrote: There are a lot of confusing samples without any hint. For example, here (ex. 160000370): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/wrong.png I can't see green thin strands. I can't see any yellow point. Maybe we need some more hints about how to detect such features? The sample is not confusing, either the players or the system behind it is giving a false positive. There are a few of these examples where the 'good' option is just plain wrong. Not a few really. Seems like every 5-10 samples I can see a "plain wrong". And it can be easily achieved if system accepts most popular answer as a right answer. Because a lot of people just click like "ok, it seems good, no time to think, I need my money and AK" =(

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.03.01 11:57:57 - [31] - Quote Akkerman Shalyga wrote: Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: Akkerman Shalyga wrote: There are a lot of confusing samples without any hint. For example, here (ex. 160000370): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/wrong.png I can't see green thin strands. I can't see any yellow point. Maybe we need some more hints about how to detect such features? The sample is not confusing, either the players or the system behind it is giving a false positive. There are a few of these examples where the 'good' option is just plain wrong. Not a few really. Seems like every 5-10 samples I can see a "plain wrong". And it can be easily achieved if system accepts most popular answer as a right answer. Because a lot of people just click like "ok, it seems good, no time to think, I need my money and AK" =( We are aware of these false positive samples. They are a result of a minor error in the long production line from the scientists microscope to Project Discovery. Human error is mostly at fault here, we are already working on it and we believe this will be fixed for the TQ release.

Terrah Chain Space Isolation 0	Posted - 2016.03.01 17:10:54 - [32] - Quote CCP Paradox wrote: Known Issues Soon to come Multiple example images per classification. Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now. Flight Academy video. To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube. Thank you for trying out Project Discovery, -Team Astro Sparkle One area I think could use some clarification is when to choose more than one classification. I did some analysis yesterday and on one slide is seems the consensus was tied for 2 classifications, nucleus and cytoplasm. But on another similar slide only nucleus was the consensus. When there are two shades of green are we focusing on the bright green only or all green areas? When dealing with classification outside the nucleus, is it possible that there is green below the nulceus? If so how can you let players know when to ignore it? On one slide with the bright dots outside the nucleus the text said the dots would never be in the nucleus, since dots appeared to be in the nucleus also, I chose a different classification but got it wrong. So, my point is that if you want accurate results the training may need to be a little bit better. Otherwise I like it and had fun with it. Not sure the rewards would make it an item of interest for me, but definitely worth doing if I am passing the time waiting for something else.

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.03.01 17:46:08 - [33] - Quote Terrah Chain wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: Known Issues Soon to come Multiple example images per classification. Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now. Flight Academy video. To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube. Thank you for trying out Project Discovery, -Team Astro Sparkle One area I think could use some clarification is when to choose more than one classification. I did some analysis yesterday and on one slide is seems the consensus was tied for 2 classifications, nucleus and cytoplasm. But on another similar slide only nucleus was the consensus. When there are two shades of green are we focusing on the bright green only or all green areas? When dealing with classification outside the nucleus, is it possible that there is green below the nulceus? If so how can you let players know when to ignore it? On one slide with the bright dots outside the nucleus the text said the dots would never be in the nucleus, since dots appeared to be in the nucleus also, I chose a different classification but got it wrong. So, my point is that if you want accurate results the training may need to be a little bit better. Otherwise I like it and had fun with it. Not sure the rewards would make it an item of interest for me, but definitely worth doing if I am passing the time waiting for something else. This is a pretty hard thing to convey in the tutorial, but i'll try my best. Remember that what you are looking at is actually a 3D structure represented in 2D, the nucleus is the doughey center of the cell, and the cytoplasm surrounds it. That means that there can be protein in the cytoplasm beneath the nucleus, giving the appearance that it is in the nucleus, when it actually is not. You can sort of tell when that is happening if there are green spots in the nucleus that are blurry and out of focus, that means they are either beneath or above the nucleus, which mean they are located in the cytoplasm. Another thing that is good to know is that you are not supposed to classify every little faint smudge of green. If you see green staining that is way weaker in brightness and contrast compared to other green staining in the image, you usually ignore it, but only if it is really weak. We are interested in the strongest proteins present in the cells, so classify everything you see, but leave out the super weak green staining. I hope that clears things up a little bit, we are of course always aiming to improve Project Discovery and we will try our best in training people to do this accurately.

Terrah Chain Space Isolation 0	Posted - 2016.03.01 18:20:46 - [34] - Quote CCP Wonderboy wrote: Terrah Chain wrote: CCP Paradox wrote: Known Issues Soon to come Multiple example images per classification. Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now. Flight Academy video. To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube. Thank you for trying out Project Discovery, -Team Astro Sparkle One area I think could use some clarification is when to choose more than one classification. I did some analysis yesterday and on one slide is seems the consensus was tied for 2 classifications, nucleus and cytoplasm. But on another similar slide only nucleus was the consensus. When there are two shades of green are we focusing on the bright green only or all green areas? When dealing with classification outside the nucleus, is it possible that there is green below the nulceus? If so how can you let players know when to ignore it? On one slide with the bright dots outside the nucleus the text said the dots would never be in the nucleus, since dots appeared to be in the nucleus also, I chose a different classification but got it wrong. So, my point is that if you want accurate results the training may need to be a little bit better. Otherwise I like it and had fun with it. Not sure the rewards would make it an item of interest for me, but definitely worth doing if I am passing the time waiting for something else. This is a pretty hard thing to convey in the tutorial, but i'll try my best. Remember that what you are looking at is actually a 3D structure represented in 2D, the nucleus is the doughey center of the cell, and the cytoplasm surrounds it. That means that there can be protein in the cytoplasm beneath the nucleus, giving the appearance that it is in the nucleus, when it actually is not. You can sort of tell when that is happening if there are green spots in the nucleus that are blurry and out of focus, that means they are either beneath or above the nucleus, which mean they are located in the cytoplasm. Another thing that is good to know is that you are not supposed to classify every little faint smudge of green. If you see green staining that is way weaker in brightness and contrast compared to other green staining in the image, you usually ignore it, but only if it is really weak. We are interested in the strongest proteins present in the cells, so classify everything you see, but leave out the super weak green staining. I hope that clears things up a little bit, we are of course always aiming to improve Project Discovery and we will try our best in training people to do this accurately. Yes, thank you. I knew some of what you said, but trying to figure it out and also seeing what others are choosing as classifications makes me think some addtional tips and pointers can be helpful. Trying to accurately classify what the project is looking for is obviously key and I wanted to convey my experience so that you could clarify and help others understand with my first time user point of view. Also the better equipped the user to analyze with the proper point of view and understanding will make the project more successful. So thank you for the time and I hope you can find ways to convey the areas I mentioned to new analyst.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.03.02 10:06:49 - [35] - Quote I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great. And at the moment samples do not load :\|

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.03.02 10:40:37 - [36] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great. And at the moment samples do not load :\| You check the 'Abnormal Sample' box when you see something in the image that can not be classified in any of the available categories. So when you see something strange or out of place, check the box and the scientists at the HPA will review it. I too like the new color filter ^-^ About the samples not loading, we are updating the MMOS API today and at the latest you should be getting samples tomorrow. Thank you :)

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 88	Posted - 2016.03.02 10:52:58 - [37] - Quote CCP Wonderboy wrote: Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great. And at the moment samples do not load :\| You check the 'Abnormal Sample' box when you see something in the image that can not be classified in any of the available categories. So when you see something strange or out of place, check the box and the scientists at the HPA will review it. I too like the new color filter ^-^ About the samples not loading, we are updating the MMOS API today and at the latest you should be getting samples tomorrow. Thank you :) Ah I see, am I correct in guessing that using the Abnormal Sample will eventually lead to additional classification categories? During one of the talks Lundberg I believe said that the HPA has 20 classifications currently, one of the aims of the project is to extend that number right? From a gameplay point of view: Is it going to be part of the tutorial? And looking forward to the renewed Project Discovery tomorrow :)

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 1	Posted - 2016.03.02 11:03:06 - [38] - Quote Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: CCP Wonderboy wrote: Yadaryon Vondawn wrote: I noticed this morning that Project Discovery has a checkable box now that says 'Abnormal Sample'. What does that do? Oh and thanks for the way we can now select colours! It is great. And at the moment samples do not load :\| You check the 'Abnormal Sample' box when you see something in the image that can not be classified in any of the available categories. So when you see something strange or out of place, check the box and the scientists at the HPA will review it. I too like the new color filter ^-^ About the samples not loading, we are updating the MMOS API today and at the latest you should be getting samples tomorrow. Thank you :) Ah I see, am I correct in guessing that using the Abnormal Sample will eventually lead to additional classification categories? During one of the talks Lundberg I believe said that the HPA has 20 classifications currently, one of the aims of the project is to extend that number right? From a gameplay point of view: Is it going to be part of the tutorial? And looking forward to the renewed Project Discovery tomorrow :) It could lead to additional categories, yes. And that would mean EVE players had made a real scientific discovery! However unlikely that is, it could happen :D

Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 89	Posted - 2016.03.03 15:57:02 - [39] - Quote A new patch, a new feedback post :D Wallet still blinks, I beg of you, please remove it. Project Discovery is now taxed!? Why is this a thing? You get 50k~ per sample and you lose (in a NPC corp) 10% of that! I do not think this should be taxed CCP Wonderboy wrote: We are aware of these false positive samples. They are a result of a minor error in the long production line from the scientists microscope to Project Discovery. Human error is mostly at fault here, we are already working on it and we believe this will be fixed for the TQ release. I still see this happening, people identifying fibrillar centers as regular nucleoli's or nucleus as nucleoplasm. Based on the sample images and the sample images from the HPA these classifications are just plain wrong, yet it penalizes my accuracy. Level progression was changed to non linear. So because the level stuff did not reset but only the accuracy I happen to be able to see how much I need to get to rank 105, insert drumroll 135.494 Experience points. Yep, 135K(!) that means that with an 75% accuracy I need to classify over 1800 to level up. In the meantime I will not get any AK since this is only given out when ranking up. That is insane. 1800 samples take a good 6~ hours plus, if you rush it. Since I wont be able to level up now I cannot see if the reward has been changed accordingly but can we get some clarification on this? This seems extremely offputting to me. Before this change I got 5K+ AK at level 100+. If after this change this will remain the same I would quit Project Discovery right away because from a gameplay point of view it is not viable at all. *I feel this is the most important thing, I cannot stress this enough, without incentive the entire real life science tie in goes down the drain.* Abnormal sample is not part of the tutorial (not explained and not visible), maybe also include a sample image that is none of the options and has to be marked with Abnormal sample?
Oktura Ostus Wicked Privateers Smile 'n' Wave 9	Posted - 2016.03.03 16:59:21 - [40] - Quote CCP Wonderboy wrote: I too like the new color filter ^-^ Thanks for new filter! It now possible to view "holes" in blue cells. Small feature request to the filter: LMB on red color makes red visible, blue and green hidden. Is it possible that RMB on any color do reverse: hide it, and show all others?
Darkblad Hilfe is like Free Entertainment 456	Posted - 2016.03.03 22:50:47 - [41] - Quote The new Professor appears to be younger. If the surviving Professor really is the one that will host the Prorject. Her Portrait within the PD UI still is like this. Intended? NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 4	Posted - 2016.03.04 10:26:45 - [42] - Quote Oktura Ostus wrote: CCP Wonderboy wrote: I too like the new color filter ^-^ Thanks for new filter! It now possible to view "holes" in blue cells. Small feature request to the filter: LMB on red color makes red visible, blue and green hidden. Is it possible that RMB on any color do reverse: hide it, and show all others? I've played a bit and find out this sample: http://i.imgur.com/MTQWznE.png 1600000854 As for me it's clear that there is "cytoskeleton" (marked in red circle), it's exactly the same as in examples, but it's marked as negative result. May be it's calculated from most often results, but such things disappoints a bit. May be it's possible to give ability to ask for recheck wrong results for players with high accuracy? With comment why to recheck. Thanks, i'll forward this to the HPA to see if they want to change their metadata for this task.

HPA Dichroic Polaris Corporation 12	Posted - 2016.03.04 11:59:34 - [43] - Quote Thanks for playing and helping us test this! In this case actually the annotation is correct as we at the HPA have manually curated the training tasks to ensure you have some quality feedback before venturing into the unknown. Here you have highlighted the cytokinetic bridge as indicated by the two dense red points extending towards each other. Remember, you are only looking for the pattern in the green signal. For this staining pattern you should see a bright green signal between the two red protrusions creating a small "bridge" between the cells. In this case, there is green signal everywhere between the cells, not just at this bridge. This indicates the protein labels the cell junctions, not the cytokinetic bridge. A slight caveat: If the green signal was much much brighter in this bridge between the red protrusions than the other areas showing cell junctions, cytokinetic bridge could be labeled. For the unknown samples, you will see a percentage of players voting for each class. We then try to estimate if the community has reached a consensus. HELP ME: Does anyone know how to set up email alerts for these forums? I see that I can receive notification on this topic, at the bottom of the post, but I would love to know automatically when a thread or post is created mentioning Project Discovery so I can give timely feed back. Sorry I'm a total noob to this EVE world Oktura Ostus wrote: CCP Wonderboy wrote: I too like the new color filter ^-^ Thanks for new filter! It now possible to view "holes" in blue cells. Small feature request to the filter: LMB on red color makes red visible, blue and green hidden. Is it possible that RMB on any color do reverse: hide it, and show all others? I've played a bit and find out this sample: http://i.imgur.com/MTQWznE.png 1600000854 As for me it's clear that there is "cytoskeleton" (marked in red circle), it's exactly the same as in examples, but it's marked as negative result. May be it's calculated from most often results, but such things disappoints a bit. May be it's possible to give ability to ask for recheck wrong results for players with high accuracy? With comment why to recheck.
Oktura Ostus Wicked Privateers Smile 'n' Wave 9	Posted - 2016.03.05 12:52:09 - [44] - Quote HPA Dichroic wrote: For this staining pattern you should see a bright green signal between the two red protrusions creating a small "bridge" between the cells. In this case, there is green signal everywhere between the cells, not just at this bridge. This indicates the protein labels the cell junctions, not the cytokinetic bridge. A slight caveat: If the green signal was much much brighter in this bridge between the red protrusions than the other areas showing cell junctions, cytokinetic bridge could be labeled. For the unknown samples, you will see a percentage of players voting for each class. We then try to estimate if the community has reached a consensus. Thank you for clarification! Thus returning to my proposal of "antiexamples" or misleading examples, when some choise looks right for this sample, but there are small important detail that might be missed and cause wrong answer. For people who wants reach high accuracy instead of fast money :) For instance, picture above could be added as "antiexample" for "cytokinetic bridge" with small text about importance of visible green dot between red parts of the bridge.
Sir Constantin 49	Posted - 2016.03.05 13:06:09 - [45] - Quote Is Project Discovery working as intended? I did like 60 samples and there wasn't any community vote, it always showed the 0%
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 133	Posted - 2016.03.06 11:20:19 - [46] - Quote HPA Dichroic wrote: HELP ME: Does anyone know how to set up email alerts for these forums? I see that I can receive notification on this topic, at the bottom of the post, but I would love to know automatically when a thread or post is created mentioning Project Discovery so I can give timely feed back. Sorry I'm a total noob to this EVE world Sadly no. Perhaps CCP can give you access to some space magic API, but the forums do not have functionality like that. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
HPA Dichroic Polaris Corporation 13	Posted - 2016.03.07 09:23:26 - [47] - Quote Oktura Ostus wrote: HPA Dichroic wrote: For this staining pattern you should see a bright green signal between the two red protrusions creating a small "bridge" between the cells. In this case, there is green signal everywhere between the cells, not just at this bridge. This indicates the protein labels the cell junctions, not the cytokinetic bridge. A slight caveat: If the green signal was much much brighter in this bridge between the red protrusions than the other areas showing cell junctions, cytokinetic bridge could be labeled. For the unknown samples, you will see a percentage of players voting for each class. We then try to estimate if the community has reached a consensus. Thank you for clarification! Thus returning to my proposal of "antiexamples" or misleading examples, when some choise looks right for this sample, but there are small important detail that might be missed and cause wrong answer. For people who wants reach high accuracy instead of fast money :) For instance, picture above could be added as "antiexample" for "cytokinetic bridge" with small text about importance of visible green dot between red parts of the bridge. We aren't currently planning "antiexamples" partially because it is hard to predict what you all might find challenging. What we are planning is a "image of the week" where we choose an image from the forums and/or the list marked with "abnormal sample" (see new in-game button) to explain the sample further. We are working with CCP games to try to also be able to directly credit players that lead us to these interesting examples too Additionally, I am planning to make a simple video of myself playing the game and explaining my choices so that people can see some of the logic that I use when evaluating the images. @Linus Gorp: Thanks for the reply, sad that I can't do that. @Sir Constantin: As far as I know it is. If you are getting unclassified samples it means you are among the first to evaluate them! 0% is a little misleading because in this case it really just means that not enough people have voted yet to give you a percentage. You should see unclassified samples some of the time (particularly if you have high accuracy), but it should not be every image, if it is let me know.
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 89	Posted - 2016.03.07 11:35:16 - [48] - Quote Is it possible @CCP Wonderboy or @CCP Paradox that the questions in this post are adressed? It should go live tomorrow and I am concerned it could be optimized, or at least clarified, a bit more :)
Oktura Ostus Wicked Privateers Smile 'n' Wave 9	Posted - 2016.03.08 20:50:59 - [49] - Quote HPA Dichroic wrote: What we are planning is a "image of the week" where we choose an image from the forums and/or the list marked with "abnormal sample" (see new in-game button) to explain the sample further. This would help me to better understand rules, thanks. Could you please also include in that list cases when majority of players (75% or something like this) selected exactly same wrong choise. I think such samples could be automatically filtered with simple script, so no manual work. And they should reveal common errors done by players, and common misunderstanding points in the rules.
Shalmon Aliatus Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen 8	Posted - 2016.03.09 13:19:45 - [50] - Quote Can you please display the explanation panel below the category that I am looking at ? When you, for example, mouse-over the "Nucleus" button in the NUCLEUS category, it leaves very little space for my mouse to mouse-over "Nucleoplasm" and "Nuclear bodys (few)", so I either have to move my mouse away or have to start at the right side all the time so the pop-up doesn't block the next category.
Motorbit HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords 49	Posted - 2016.03.09 13:23:20 - [51] - Quote yeah... did this some 15 min. im fairly sure that some of the "correct" answers are wrong. at least, after two cases where the "correct" answer was obviously wrong and my answer (tho maybe not correct) was obviously less wrong, i removed the icon from my necom. now, im not saying that im the top biologist. i realy have no clue about this. but at least during the tutorials i missed only once. i also understand that a result is "correct" if it hits a threshold where enough players belive it to be correct. now, of course, i may be wrong here, but at least to me it seems this is not working very well.
Lasse R Farnsworth Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 20	Posted - 2016.03.09 15:26:58 - [52] - Quote Well Feedback: The abnormal Sample tickbox haqs no explanation .. and it would be cool to look back at the images if you see your acurracy drop .. just to learn
Rainboq Spencer Toxic Refuge Elemental Tide 0	Posted - 2016.03.09 17:48:55 - [53] - Quote It'd be nice to have a way to mark a sample as being out of focus, I've had a few there were impossible to decipher because the sample was completely out of focus it all became a giant haze.

CCP Wonderboy C C P C C P Alliance 6	Posted - 2016.03.09 17:55:40 - [54] - Quote Rainboq Spencer wrote: It'd be nice to have a way to mark a sample as being out of focus, I've had a few there were impossible to decipher because the sample was completely out of focus it all became a giant haze. Use the "Abnormal Sample" checkbox :)

Rainboq Spencer Toxic Refuge Elemental Tide 0	Posted - 2016.03.09 17:57:26 - [55] - Quote CCP Wonderboy wrote: Rainboq Spencer wrote: It'd be nice to have a way to mark a sample as being out of focus, I've had a few there were impossible to decipher because the sample was completely out of focus it all became a giant haze. Use the "Abnormal Sample" checkbox :) Will do :) Maybe have that in a tool tip for the button?
Eodp Ellecon I N E X T R E M I S Tactical Narcotics Team 27	Posted - 2016.03.09 18:38:36 - [56] - Quote Finding the baseline sample box not being in a fixed location annoying. Requires scrolling right to left to check variants. Also unable to select two options to make a comparison of baseline samples against each other. These would help with ascertaining the unknown sample leading to better accuracy attempts.
Konstantin Reshetnikov Dropbears Anonymous Friendly Probes 0	Posted - 2016.03.09 18:42:50 - [57] - Quote I just came across a strange sample and wasn't entirely sure what to mark it as. Sample and results What exactly is this and how should it have been marked?
Vypera Blackneck NerdHerd The Explicit Alliance 12	Posted - 2016.03.09 20:17:28 - [58] - Quote Ok, I feel like say couple of things about this mini-game. First of all I love it... well I loved it more some hours ago. But it still got me. I'm @ rank 14 atm. I was working up myself to 54.6 accuracy slowly and suddenly it dropped 0.9% at once... some more samples and it was down to 52.5 what the...? So the tutorial was fine, but it didn't explain a thing. I miss the explanation of the basic functionality of the window elements... for example as some said before, what is the abnormal check box for? There's no explanation what are the percentages on the buttons after submitting one. Would be nice to learn from them but it is just annoying as it is. I also miss the rules of the "game" there are no rules explained. What are my choices should be based on? Less but more accurate better or should I pick all the seemingly fitting patterns. Is the "right" answer based on a scientific fact or it just simply based on the answer of the EVE player base... if the case is the second, I'm out, thanks. I like to think that I help with playing. But after some hours clicking it just became annoying. It is just a hopeless guess work since no info, no feedback what should we do or done wrong. Teach us and you will reach your goal. Thanks for letting us participate and enrich this game! Keep up the good job! o7 Vyp
Valkyrie Quantum Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 0	Posted - 2016.03.09 20:54:18 - [59] - Quote While I personally thus far absolutely love the idea and think the implementation was fairly well done, I would say the following could improve the experience. --For tutorial questions perhaps some small paragraph explaining why something is what it is. not major issue --The biggest issue perhaps make it account wide scoring instead of character base while as a programmer myself I see the issue of what character to assign rewards to probably just a checker on which one is active I would imagine I just find it slightly silly that progress needs to be restarted if you use multiple characters, especially as it forces you to redo the tutorial. Other than that amazing job CCP I truly hope this project is expanded upon in order to help the research of even more organizations.
Lasse R Farnsworth Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 20	Posted - 2016.03.10 07:51:45 - [60] - Quote Another small feedback: The cell to cell variation answer (wich is somewhat subjetional) should not count to your accuracy rating. Right now I have the feeling that I'm punished for using that button ...
Ji Enderas Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:13:00 - [61] - Quote Who decides what's right and what's wrong? Community "popular answer" (maybe processed by some statistical methods) or HPA's scientists? I've got and interesting sample (100069389): green spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.05.png Here we can expect nucleoplasm. And most of users do so. But then I looked at the blue spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.08.png And we can't see a lot of holes. So - no holes = no overlapping. My two questions: - Which answer is right here? - Will my accuracy drop if I'm not "within the crowd"?
HPA Dichroic Polaris Corporation 14	Posted - 2016.03.10 15:39:19 - [62] - Quote Ji Enderas wrote: Who decides what's right and what's wrong? Community "popular answer" (maybe processed by some statistical methods) or HPA's scientists? I've got and interesting sample (100069389): green spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.05.png Here we can expect nucleoplasm. And most of users do so. But then I looked at the blue spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.08.png And we can't see a lot of holes. So - no holes = no overlapping. My two questions: - Which answer is right here? - Will my accuracy drop if I'm not "within the crowd"? The correct answer here is nucleoplasm (and vesicles which you got). We use over 20 cell types and in some the nucleoli are more visible than others in the blue channel. Basically if the green is throughout the nucleus but got big holes in then it's nucleoplasm. The granular cases are harder where you can't make out the holes quite as easily.
Circumstantial Evidence 264	Posted - 2016.03.11 03:04:08 - [63] - Quote Rainboq Spencer wrote: CCP Wonderboy wrote: Rainboq Spencer wrote: It'd be nice to have a way to mark a sample as being out of focus, I've had a few there were impossible to decipher because the sample was completely out of focus it all became a giant haze. Use the "Abnormal Sample" checkbox :) Will do :) Maybe have that in a tool tip for the button? Agree, it needs a tooltip. I clicked the ? in lower left hoping to find out about the checkbox, which restarts the directed help/tutorial process. The purpose of the "abnormal sample" checkbox isn't mentioned in the help sequence. It should be made clear how to skip the tutorial, if one has completed it before. Closing and reopening the app seems to do it, a new sample appears. Further, each help text popup should be made available separately (tooltip or ? button) on demand, without having to restart the directed help sequence. Also check out this critique / room for improvement, on Reddit.
Lasse R Farnsworth Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 21	Posted - 2016.03.11 07:38:07 - [64] - Quote After spending to much time with pd here another feedback: Right now PD feels like trying to learn something while somebody gives you a sweet or a hit in the face at random intervals. Not ot good for learning, because the negative feedback from making a error and the positive reinforcment from doing my job good is disconected from my actions. I would suggest adding a "I want feedback button" under tha abnormal sampel box. It woul pop up that sampel as soon as a consens is reached again and I would have to doo it again (without isk and AK and exp of course) .. so I would have the chance to learn from hard sampels because I could see what the most people think out of that hard chase. Also could HPA see were people are unsure and maek a turorila based on the hard chases. Greetings Lasse

HPA Illuminator State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:07:56 - [65] - Quote Ji Enderas wrote: Who decides what's right and what's wrong? Community "popular answer" (maybe processed by some statistical methods) or HPA's scientists? I've got and interesting sample (100069389): green spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.05.png Here we can expect nucleoplasm. And most of users do so. But then I looked at the blue spectrum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4262011/2016.03.10.14.36.08.png And we can't see a lot of holes. So - no holes = no overlapping. My two questions: - Which answer is right here? - Will my accuracy drop if I'm not "within the crowd"? Nucleoplasm is correct. For some cell types, for some reason, the nucleoli holes won't show in blue. But when you have these obvious cases you should absolutely go for nucleoplasm anyway. EDIT: Sorry for not noticing HPA_Dichroic had already answered ^^. Also, there's a thread for challenging ex: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472862&find=unread

HPA Illuminator State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:10:08 - [66] - Quote Lasse R Farnsworth wrote: After spending to much time with pd here another feedback: Right now PD feels like trying to learn something while somebody gives you a sweet or a hit in the face at random intervals. Not ot good for learning, because the negative feedback from making a error and the positive reinforcment from doing my job good is disconected from my actions. I would suggest adding a "I want feedback button" under tha abnormal sampel box. It woul pop up that sampel as soon as a consens is reached again and I would have to doo it again (without isk and AK and exp of course) .. so I would have the chance to learn from hard sampels because I could see what the most people think out of that hard chase. Also could HPA see were people are unsure and maek a turorila based on the hard chases. Greetings Lasse Agree we should make a better tutorial, will talk to the others. Just by playing myself I would say golgi/mitochondria is difficult for you to distinguish between, and also MTOC/aggresome. Maybe we should just have a look at some images where there's no consensus at all, as well. (My colleague made a quick walkthrough, might help some? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrqCWg0cZSk&feature=youtu.be).
HPA Illuminator State War Academy Caldari State 16	Posted - 2016.03.11 13:18:57 - [67] - Quote Konstantin Reshetnikov wrote: I just came across a strange sample and wasn't entirely sure what to mark it as. Sample and results What exactly is this and how should it have been marked? Great that you marked is as abnormal! (It should be removed) As for the staining, there doesn't seem to be a consensus yet. I would probably go for vesicles + cell to cell variation, but would consider negative as well as the staining is really weak. See https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472862&find=unread as well!
Lasse R Farnsworth Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 21	Posted - 2016.03.11 14:27:16 - [68] - Quote HPA Illuminator wrote: Lasse R Farnsworth wrote: After spending to much time with pd here another feedback: Right now PD feels like trying to learn something while somebody gives you a sweet or a hit in the face at random intervals. Not ot good for learning, because the negative feedback from making a error and the positive reinforcment from doing my job good is disconected from my actions. I would suggest adding a "I want feedback button" under tha abnormal sampel box. It woul pop up that sampel as soon as a consens is reached again and I would have to doo it again (without isk and AK and exp of course) .. so I would have the chance to learn from hard sampels because I could see what the most people think out of that hard chase. Also could HPA see were people are unsure and maek a turorila based on the hard chases. Greetings Lasse Agree we should make a better tutorial, will talk to the others. Just by playing myself I would say golgi/mitochondria is difficult for you to distinguish between, and also MTOC/aggresome. Maybe we should just have a look at some images where there's no consensus at all, as well. (My colleague made a quick walkthrough, might help some? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrqCWg0cZSk&feature=youtu.be).
Yadaryon Vondawn Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 93	Posted - 2016.03.11 15:01:58 - [69] - Quote By request of the HPA guys over at twitter here is a recording of me playing Project Discovery. In the video I explain why I make the choices I make. I hope it gives you guys a frame of reference when doing Project Discovery. How to classify samples
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 75	Posted - 2016.03.12 06:57:52 - [70] - Quote Konstantin Reshetnikov wrote: I just came across a strange sample and wasn't entirely sure what to mark it as. Sample and results What exactly is this and how should it have been marked? Exaclty like it was, Abnormal and then Unidentifable. No reason in trying to classify a broken image.
Circumstantial Evidence 264	Posted - 2016.03.12 17:03:52 - [71] - Quote Feature request: display PD icon in station service panel in SoE stations. Good for Immersion, since PD is a special SoE activity. Feature request: "AK" LP icon in station service panel in SoE stations. This would bring up the standard LP UI, but filtered to show only AK items. Depending on how the standard LP items list is configured or sorted, players with zero SoE LP may not see the AK redemption items right away.
HPA Illuminator State War Academy Caldari State 25	Posted - 2016.03.12 18:19:06 - [72] - Quote Seems to be an issue that AK are lost when PD crashes just when reaching a new lvl (some ppl in the chat mentioned loosing 10-20k AK). Possible to calculate theoretical AK for a player based on lvl and restore?
Imiarr Timshae Funny Men In Funny Hats 356	Posted - 2016.03.12 18:23:02 - [73] - Quote You can't zoom in on the very edges of the sample. Sometimes this is important when you've only got 5 cells on screen and one is right at the edge, and you can't zoom at it. Personal Standings Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - 7+ Day Old Corps for Highsec POS Sales
Imiarr Timshae Funny Men In Funny Hats 356	Posted - 2016.03.12 18:51:46 - [74] - Quote Oh also this : Would you consider talking to CCP about the potential for a bonus on the Nestor (A Sisters of Eve "Science" themed battleship) which increases Project Discovery rewards? +5% XP and ISK, or 10% or whatever CCP feels is appropriate. These vessels lack a strong role - they are good at several different things, but they really lack a role as a "science" vessel. Having this bonus would be very lore-relevant, and allow those of us who want to really aid Project Discovery to be able to spend out for the ships to earn extra for the risks we take in flying them. A "flagship" for Project Discovery. Alternatively, rather than a bonus just for being in a nestor (in space) CCP could consider a remote assistance module (Spatial Research Assistance Module? SRAM?), which can be activated only by a nestor, which provides research bonuses for the ship recieving the effect, allowing the Nestor piloted by a philanthropic "Citizen scientist" to improve the Project Discovery rewards for a group of other players. This would mean "science fleet" would become a thing - these pilots could travel around together doing any number of activities, enjoying the bonuses provided by the Nestor science flagship. Further to this (depending on what people think of this idea), Project Discovery/The Nestor could be coded to provide a selection of bonuses for different things at different times. For example, log into Eve, boot Project Discovery and there is a tab which you can click which drops down a box which reads: "Enhance your scientific endeavours by having a Nestor activate a SRAM on your vessel while using Project Discovery, +5% ISK and XP rewards." "Obtain further bonuses by being in the presence of certain spatial anomalies to enhance research activities" Be with proximity of X type of star. (Changes periodically) +5% Orbit a x-type planet. (Changes periodically) +5% Be in wormhole space. (+10%) Be in the locality of an Ice Belt (+5%) And have it so these change periodically so there are only a few active at any time, meaning this research fleet would move around to obtain slightly better results at Project Discovery. This would give "scientists" a real role within the game, not just as "Docked and clicking Project Discovery every minute" but allow those of us equipped with Nestors and the skills to use them the ability to organise and travel with fleets of citizen scientists - a dynamic, engaging, activity which also induces RISK (have to be undocked, have to move around, have to find certain things in space) which CCP loves. I hope you like the idea! :) Personal Standings Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - 7+ Day Old Corps for Highsec POS Sales
Circumstantial Evidence 264	Posted - 2016.03.12 20:27:18 - [75] - Quote Imiarr Timshae wrote: Oh also this : Would you consider talking to CCP about the potential for a bonus on the Nestor (A Sisters of Eve "Science" themed battleship) which increases Project Discovery rewards? +5% XP and ISK, or 10% or whatever CCP feels is appropriate. This is interesting... "doing science" in space+ships, lol. IF it was adopted, i'd like to see that bonus idea scaled from Astero up to Nestor (5% max), so everyone could get a little extra, depending on their spaceship budget. But... I think the focus of PD is / should be on "science for everyone / anywhere."
Imiarr Timshae Funny Men In Funny Hats 356	Posted - 2016.03.12 21:13:47 - [76] - Quote Circumstantial Evidence wrote: Imiarr Timshae wrote: Oh also this : Would you consider talking to CCP about the potential for a bonus on the Nestor (A Sisters of Eve "Science" themed battleship) which increases Project Discovery rewards? +5% XP and ISK, or 10% or whatever CCP feels is appropriate. This is interesting... "doing science" in space+ships, lol. IF it was adopted, i'd like to see that bonus idea scaled from Astero up to Nestor (5% max), so everyone could get a little extra, depending on their spaceship budget. But... I think the focus of PD is / should be on "science for everyone / anywhere." I agree, but why not add an activity which can be pursued by those who are interested? If it isn't required, doesn't give bonuses that obsolete standard play, all it adds is a positive element to it for those who want to RP or engage with it in a more meaningful ingame way. In my opinion it integrates it into Eve better. Currently we have a window that can be opened anywhere, and doesn't interact with the game in any way at all except ISK rewards. Having the option of some interaction with "spaceships online" can't harm the interest factor of PD. Personal Standings Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - 7+ Day Old Corps for Highsec POS Sales
Shaani Valkyr Ronin Legacy 0	Posted - 2016.03.12 22:56:12 - [77] - Quote Discovery make me fell that it's a good thing that i don't try to get job in the medical Basic exemple not identified... Will keep shooting at peoples for a while till it's fixed... Minmatar ships don't die, they just turn into smaller Minmatar ships...
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 76	Posted - 2016.03.13 19:50:28 - [78] - Quote Shaani Valkyr wrote: Discovery make me fell that it's a good thing that i don't try to get job in the medical Basic exemple not identified... Will keep shooting at peoples for a while till it's fixed... Ouch, nothing like getting the original test sample for determining a classification wrong, lol.
Burning Furry Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 30	Posted - 2016.03.14 13:46:05 - [79] - Quote My two cent: 1 - There should be no accuracy penalty for selecting Unspecific or Negative. Each time i have done so, most people went with Cytoplasm and i have been hit with an accuracy penalty. Untill this is changed Unspecific/negative are both synonyms for Cytoplasm. Likewise with Cell-tocell variation. 2 - Can we change the tool tip on hovering over characteristics? It currently takes a lot of time to navigate your mouse in such a way as to avoid the tool-tip popping and blocking your view. I feel like i'm playing that wire-buzzing game. 3 - I frequently get an error whereby the selection i made for my previous sample get submitted for my current sample. 4 - We desperately need a limit on Cytoplasm. Its great to read that payout will reduce with falling accuracy below 40% but if someone is trolling the system by selecting cytoplasm the whole time, then they need to be removed. 5 - There should be a time limit on submissions. It should take more than 5 seconds to properly look at the sample, so we could safely remove/reject those submitted faster than this as spam.
Zepheros Naeonis TinklePee 76	Posted - 2016.03.15 03:14:18 - [80] - Quote Burning Furry wrote: My two cent: 1 - There should be no accuracy penalty for selecting Unspecific or Negative. Each time i have done so, most people went with Cytoplasm and i have been hit with an accuracy penalty. Untill this is changed Unspecific/negative are both synonyms for Cytoplasm. Likewise with Cell-tocell variation. 2 - Can we change the tool tip on hovering over characteristics? It currently takes a lot of time to navigate your mouse in such a way as to avoid the tool-tip popping and blocking your view. I feel like i'm playing that wire-buzzing game. 3 - I frequently get an error whereby the selection i made for my previous sample get submitted for my current sample. 4 - We desperately need a limit on Cytoplasm. Its great to read that payout will reduce with falling accuracy below 40% but if someone is trolling the system by selecting cytoplasm the whole time, then they need to be removed. 5 - There should be a time limit on submissions. It should take more than 5 seconds to properly look at the sample, so we could safely remove/reject those submitted faster than this as spam. 1. Interesting proposal, but it could affect submissions a lot more and act more like a default for people wanting to avoid a penalty hit if they were not sure what to select. 2. This would be nice. The hover annoys me frequently when trying to select something else. 3. They are aware of this and working on a fix. 4. Agreed. 5. This would seriously help out the system a lot and likely remove over half of the incorrect submissions.
Circumstantial Evidence 264	Posted - 2016.03.15 18:04:16 - [81] - Quote Zepheros Naeonis wrote: Burning Furry wrote: 3 - I frequently get an error whereby the selection i made for my previous sample get submitted for my current sample. 3. They are aware of this and working on a fix. I wonder if it is submitting previous selections for current sample, or just a display error. Definitely distressing.
Shalmon Aliatus Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen 9	Posted - 2016.03.16 00:08:23 - [82] - Quote Another suggestion: Disable only the color you click at, double-click for single color selection. Would speed up the process of checking just two colors, without much slow-down if you want only one color, at the moment it shuts down all colors except the one you click at when you go from all colors to color selection.

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