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Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:40:00 - [1] I recently posted this on our Privs boards as a possible new tactic for static gate camps. My first response was "possible exploit" get it checked. I have not tired this yet and have no offical word on it BUT: Ship 1 with a 25M dron bay waits on gate. Ship 2 (Domi/Ist) flys to the gate, drops 5 Heavy drones and warps off to restock. Ship 1 Scoops and drops the heavy drones 1 by 1 until you have 5 in space and under your controll. Ship 2 comes back and waits. When combat starts he drops another 5 drones into the fray and suprises the target. ok - What I dont want is OMFG SPLOITERS>>>I havent tried it yet. what I would like is someone who has spoken with a GM about this already (I have only been in eve a year and I am sure someone will of thought of this before) Hear-say and conjecture is no good - I would like someone with expeirence in this to post. cheers. Sorted
Capt Sammy Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:44:00 - [2] hmmm, one COULD argue that you were using the drones for trying to cause lag for anyone warping in. Its not a bad idea, but why would someone shoot drones that arnt attacking them? Could work against dumb people...
Jan Riksma Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:45:00 - [3] Edited by: Jan Riksma on 07/02/2007 10:49:53 Hi, Same question was asked yesterday in different forum section: drone sploit question In short its legal someone in that thread posted a GM reply. Cheers, Jan
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:46:00 - [4] It used to be an exploit to control more drones than your ship could hold, but that may have been because of lag (because you could have so many), I just can't remember. I'd petition it just to be safe. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:47:00 - [5] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 07/02/2007 10:44:46 Brilliant! /me thinks Beware my migthy retriever from hell with it's 5 Ogres
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Capt Sammy hmmm, one COULD argue that you were using the drones for trying to cause lag for anyone warping in. Its not a bad idea, but why would someone shoot drones that arnt attacking them? Could work against dumb people... You dont understand I think, all 10 drones will fight. The question is whether a ship with only a dronebay of 25m3 should be allowed to control 5 heavy drones through this 'trick'. I have no real opinion on it, except that it would be hellish to police if you ban it, and that allowing it doesn't seem overly problematic. -------------- In other news, after careful investigation, the Guiding Hand Social Club concluded that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club was guilty of any wrongdoing.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:51:00 - [7] Edited by: Shameless Avenger on 07/02/2007 10:50:09 Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Capt Sammy hmmm, one COULD argue that you were using the drones for trying to cause lag for anyone warping in. Its not a bad idea, but why would someone shoot drones that arnt attacking them? Could work against dumb people... You dont understand I think, all 10 drones will fight. The question is whether a ship with only a dronebay of 25m3 should be allowed to control 5 heavy drones through this 'trick'. I have no real opinion on it, except that it would be hellish to police if you ban it, and that allowing it doesn't seem overly problematic. EDITED.... ... whoops, I didn't read your post right... forget it... anyways, BRILLIANT!
El'Niaga	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:54:00 - [8] Seems fishy :( However if he hauled each drone out one at a time and launched them then warped back he took the risk someone could steal it or destroy it. Once he'd done this enough times he could then start scoop to dronebay and launch drone one at a time til he reached his control limit. I know someone posted it here and its been said elsewhere that this is not an exploit by a GM but it would be nice to have a dev post and clear it up.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Malachon Draco You dont understand I think, all 5 drones will fight. The question is whether a ship with only a dronebay of 25m3 should be allowed to control 5 heavy drones through this 'trick'. fixed a "typo" ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:58:00 - [10] It seems sort of similar to assigning fighters to a fast locking frig(technicaly speaking), well almost. Very interesting though. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:00:00 - [11] Gate camping Ishkurs with 5 heavy drones? That would be interesting.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:03:00 - [12] I really dont see the problem here. If CCP don't want this to happen then just add logic that check for total controlled volume <= than your drone bay in addition to numbers. Are you sure this is possible at all?
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Jan Riksma Edited by: Jan Riksma on 07/02/2007 10:49:53 Hi, Same question was asked yesterday in different forum section: snip Showing GM communication is not allowed on the eve-o forums - hutch In short its legal someone in that thread posted a GM reply. Cheers, Jan Thats exaclty the type of response I hoped for. a GM linky screen shot. Nice 1 cheers. hehehe..gonna have some fun with this.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:10:00 - [14] I'm glad this isn't an explot, it's a damn good idea. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: Malachon Draco You dont understand I think, all 5 drones will fight. The question is whether a ship with only a dronebay of 25m3 should be allowed to control 5 heavy drones through this 'trick'. fixed a "typo" Actually, not a typo. I was referring to situation described in the opening post where there was a second ship that put out 5 more drones (i.e. small ship with 5 drones through the 'trick' and other ship BS with 5 'normal' drones). -------------- In other news, after careful investigation, the Guiding Hand Social Club concluded that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club was guilty of any wrongdoing.
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:15:00 - [16] This was common about a year ago before the drone overhaul... it got patched. -=====-
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm glad this isn't an explot, it's a damn good idea. Yeah Sorted>>thinking outside the box.... But pls let this thread die...I dont want everyone to know about it like this. I want them to learn the "hard way".
Thales Archon Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:18:00 - [18] I was told long ago that this is an exploit. And remember if you get pettitioned for it, GMs go case by case basis, so if 1 GM says "meh its s'ok" another can say "BAN!"
Terminal Entry New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:21:00 - [19] Edited by: Terminal Entry on 07/02/2007 11:28:59 Our Corp has been doing this for ages. Mainly on Mining Ops for protection but recently with Logistic Drones on Missions/Complexes/Exploration. It's never occurred to us that this could be an exploit. We are not controlling more Drones than our skills allow, we are not putting more Drones into the Drone Bays than they can hold. Can't see there is a problem. It takes time and effort to set up. And most importantly it's with in the Games Mechanics, just like what Lofty does with Gang Invites and War Decs .

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:21:00 - [20] I have just talked to the GM's and have been informed that this is NOT a exploit. But can i remind you that posting personnal gm communication on the eve-o forums is NOT allowed. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Thales Archon Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc I have just talked to the GM's and have been informed that this is NOT a exploit. But can i remind you that posting personnal gm communication on the eve-o forums is NOT allowed. Well WTF? Because I have been told before by a GM that it IS.

Conuion Meow Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:34:00 - [22] While that may have been the case before, the current ruling states clearly that it is not. Forum Rules \| E-Mail us! (Report a bad post) \| Sexeh CRC Website! aka Onion -Eldo

Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:54:00 - [23] So if I am flying an AF, and corp mate sends to me 5 fighters from one of our carriers...thats an exploit? No if falls under the rules and mechanics of the game. Good tactic either way. The pilot can only control 5 drones/fighters, buddy drops five and you scoop one at a time and redeploy it. Now those five belong to you. Buddy deploys 5 more drones that he controls. He only controls and owns the five he just launched. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:57:00 - [24] Edited by: DarkMatter on 07/02/2007 11:53:51 I'm sure it no longer was an exploit when they changed the drone mechanics??? I don't see anything wrong with it tbh... Building the homestead
stoats Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:15:00 - [25] Others have petitioned it and had it deemed not an exploit, however if you plan on doing it I suggest petitioning and asking yourself. Then when you get banninated for it (because clearly all GMs treat people equally ) you have some recourse.
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:16:00 - [26] REQUESTING THREAD LOCKING.
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:24:00 - [27] Great idea for 0.0 or empire war camping, but pirating it wont work, as the drones will get pewpewed on sentry agression.
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:46:00 - [28] as said this WAS once an exploit and got patched - and NOW its totally fine to control more drones than your ship should be able to? wtf???
Maze La'Zie Caldari Technology La'Zie	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:49:00 - [29] I have done missions in a velator with an ab and 5 medium drones using this tactic. The alt in question was stuck in 0.0 with no ships. ___________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie Author of The End
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:03:00 - [30] In Soviet Russia, drones exploit you ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win

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