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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Sorry Danton, but I think this is a bad idea.
It would be yet another thing for people to misuse and try to scam or exploit other players with.
Charater identity in Eve is important since a lot of the game's trust is based on reputation. The ability to rename yourself aswell as reimage yourself kind of buggers up that delicate trust balance we have currently since its easier to escape your previous deeds/misdeeds. If you have to check someones name history to find out who they really are or were, then essentially everyone's reputation becomes worth less.
Example: Titan pilot who everyone knows changes name. Jumps into local during fleet op - "Just another red" defenders think - Boom. Doomsdays fleet who weren't even aware that Titan pilots name had changed. Even worse a 'buddie' switches name to the well known pilots after his original name is no longer taken and usurps his reputation. It is a minefeild of issues/exploits.
Another issue is all the programming required for "search for character name", killmail logs, forums, transaction/market logs or anywhere else character names appear. Should this really be a priority for CCP?
I hate to say it but if people dont like their name they can always reroll. People with crap names normally get nicknames in their social circle of pilots anyway so does a crap name really matter at the end of the day?
Hope this was constructive feedback.
Since people sell characters this point is no longer valid, as for spotting titan pilots people should use scanners and other intel for that, local isn't an intel tool and shouldn't be, it's soon changing anyways and even I can fly a titan so should I sell myself to the highest bidder people in the fleet would be in for a surprise still.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.26 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: davet517 Edited by: davet517 on 13/08/2008 23:44:55
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
But people do and that's the problem, they cannot evolve from it once the chuckles have worn off to become better immersed in the game and help it grow and with every silly name added the rich tapestry of prime fiction seems more and more wasted and useless.
Funny thing Danton, is that you're promoting this and out of all of us your name is fairly reasonable. I'd certainly trade you. I appreciate the effort though.
It's not altruistic, I have to stomach watching all these supposed names fly by every day.
There isn't a day going by I don't wish for a way to blank out the names in local and replace them with blanket denominators like BoB Puny, BoB Light, BoB Deadly or something generic like that to ease the suffering.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Shadow Sapphire
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:14:00 -
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Totaly Agree .
Whit 5 pages of support i think it's time to put the issue to the CSM Assembly Hall
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.27 03:29:00 -
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Oh I think it'll have to simmer here a while still, half of the posts being by me and all and CCP sticking to their rethorics about 'accountability', whatever that is in this day in age of revolving characters.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:44:00 -
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Not being a big fan of the crying game over in the Assembly Hall this stays here for a while longer to gain some grassroot support.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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davet517
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Posted - 2008.09.12 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Not being a big fan of the crying game over in the Assembly Hall this stays here for a while longer to gain some grassroot support.
Supported! In a grass-roots kinda way. As for the security concerns, it shouldn't be all that tough to put a "name changed to" line in the employment history. That way if you're checking references (as if anyone ever does) you know what name the people you're talking to knew the character by.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.24 02:09:00 -
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Hyphens would allow for a wider range of cultural differences.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:34:00 -
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My ganker alias is Overlord Daddypants III. It'd be nice if CCP included three part names as well sometime down the line and no, not going to change to that, that's just funny for oh about 3 seconds. |
Gautan Virdamot
Nebula Rasa Technologies
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Posted - 2008.10.20 22:08:00 -
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For the playerbase to evolve this change is necessary.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.28 22:19:00 -
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Hmm, some odd comment there but I'll take it.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.31 10:44:00 -
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As long as all past alias are bloked from future use I am for this. The only problem is that someone could scam switch and then scam again, but that as always this issue is on the shoulders of whoever got scammed. All you have to do is check the history of aliaes, go to crime and punishment and ask if any of the aliases are known to be bad seeds. Not that is fullproof, but prevention of scamming and corp theft are never 100% especially if the individual is good at what they do.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Atharax
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Posted - 2008.10.31 12:40:00 -
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Danton Marcellus
You have made a good presentation in favour of your idea and reasons for allowing a namechange.
I have however to say no, never and should not happen for reasons pointed out in this thread already. If there a list somewhere of past aliases does not matter. You don't have the time to check on something like that when somebody suddenly appear at a gate in 0-space.
In this game we have chosen a path and created our own destiny any money, ingame or r/l ones should not make it possible to create a clean slate.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.31 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 31/10/2008 14:00:17
Originally by: Atharax Danton Marcellus
You have made a good presentation in favour of your idea and reasons for allowing a namechange.
I have however to say no, never and should not happen for reasons pointed out in this thread already. If there a list somewhere of past aliases does not matter. You don't have the time to check on something like that when somebody suddenly appear at a gate in 0-space.
In this game we have chosen a path and created our own destiny any money, ingame or r/l ones should not make it possible to create a clean slate.
But their name change would not affect their red/blue/neutral status correct?
EDIT: The neutral status could cause some problems unless you run a NBSI, possibly
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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C4LYP50
The Sky Is The Limit
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Posted - 2008.10.31 16:43:00 -
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I'd rather this wasn't implemented, for a variety of reasons, mostly already mentioned. Most players I know by reputation, and I often set personal standings with them even though I might consider their corp unknown or neutral.
I'm sorry if some people didn't take the time to choose a name they could stand to see forever, but there is a reason for the saying "Fools rush in". The only name changes I can support are those which fall under CCP's name change policy (offensiveness).
I can kind of understand the RP arguement, but again, if your character is years old and his/her only drawback is a silly name, you are kind of grasping at straws here. You lived with it just fine for this long? New character? Reroll it! The little time lost on skills will be more than made up for by the lack of aggravation about a name.
Just my 2 isk
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Korovyov
Luminous Love Brewery
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Posted - 2008.10.31 18:19:00 -
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I think CCP should allow a name change, but charge $15 for every month the character has been active to punish them for rolling a toon with a failname.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.10.31 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Atharax Danton Marcellus
You have made a good presentation in favour of your idea and reasons for allowing a namechange.
I have however to say no, never and should not happen for reasons pointed out in this thread already. If there a list somewhere of past aliases does not matter. You don't have the time to check on something like that when somebody suddenly appear at a gate in 0-space.
In this game we have chosen a path and created our own destiny any money, ingame or r/l ones should not make it possible to create a clean slate.
I'd rather see names of players not showing at all in space unless they opt to. Why is it that you can identify anyone in their ships from their mere presence there? Ship type and affiliation only in the overview would be ideal.
Showing names for people to take into account is discouraging fights more than anything, let those be diplayed post battle, via killmails, for bragging rights.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.11.06 05:37:00 -
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This will probably go over much better after the proposed local nerf when reading someones name in local isn't a must for some of the hardcore elements in the game.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Roxanna Kell
R0XYRACHO
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Posted - 2008.11.24 21:23:00 -
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good stuff, i like the pilot number thingy, it does something real important here, as some people may complain over it being bad when booting a spy from corp or trying to identify someone for whatever reason, i am 100% with you mate.
Quote: Knowledge is having a forward scout in a roaming op, wisdom is to scout the rear as well.
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Techkraft
Amarr Chickens with an Attitude Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.25 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Techkraft on 25/11/2008 20:36:44 the whole you can change your portrait but not your name. Your name is what people recognize, I have corpm8's for years and couldn't pick them in a lineup looking at there pics.
And checking everyone, what there names were / is this really johndo1 or is it Oprah2008 etc. It's hard enough as it is for diplomats, target calling at know advisaries, recruits, contracts. If you ask me a lot of hassle, certainly most are proud of there names.
I feel bad for some of the names I found in here , but eumz its eve...cold / dark / harsh.
Just ride with your names m8's, it's what makes you sexy.
Techkraft
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evilphoenix
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.26 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: evilphoenix on 26/11/2008 02:04:41 I like this idea.
I have created a similar thread for the CSMs in the assembly hall.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=930338 --------
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Amjax
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Posted - 2008.12.03 14:19:00 -
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Brilliant idea, would love to see it implemented.
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Daevonar
Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.14 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Daevonar on 14/12/2008 09:29:10
Originally by: xaioguai yes, I was in one of the situation you stated earlier. Play the first 15 days, didn't bother to think of a name that suit me, to make the matter worst, its a typo no one can pronounce without spitting all over the keyboard. However, I am against the idea. Just think what if the whole fleet change name to something no one can pronounce 2 days before the operation, then change back after the engagement......
On second thought, it may be a solution to fix target calling technique.
Oh? I pronounced it Zogwai... like mogwai, but... errr... with a z. No spitting necessery :)
EDIT: oops and signed. This would be a good idea so long as it records your past names as the OP proposed Dae.
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Cheopis
Amarr One Stop Mining Shop One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cheopis on 14/12/2008 10:46:57 /signed
The biggest problem I see is that people might change their names, and you might not note immediately who they are, and that confusion might be used to advantage.
I would suggest that if a player on your address book changes their name, the login notification icon that pops up should have a very distinctive appearance indicating a new name, telling you what the old name was, and a popup with a "don't show this again for this character" option should appear. If you don't click the option, every time that player logs in, you have to acknowledge who they are, until you can remember and feel comfortable dropping the warning.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 17/12/2008 01:06:48
Originally by: Cheopis Edited by: Cheopis on 14/12/2008 10:46:57 /signed
The biggest problem I see is that people might change their names, and you might not note immediately who they are, and that confusion might be used to advantage.
I would suggest that if a player on your address book changes their name, the login notification icon that pops up should have a very distinctive appearance indicating a new name, telling you what the old name was, and a popup with a "don't show this again for this character" option should appear. If you don't click the option, every time that player logs in, you have to acknowledge who they are, until you can remember and feel comfortable dropping the warning.
It's no more an issue than pirate corporations once on your radar and set red just pack up and form another corporation showing neutral as to not give you heads up. Rinse and repeat approach.
You should always be vigilant no matter what their names are, unless they're l33ts, then just kill them outright.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.17 06:30:00 -
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I have no problem with also known as additions.. but it's like my dad used to tell his clients when they'd come in and want a legal name change, "you can call yourself whatever you want and it costs nothing." You could just use the bios or title fields to add alis' for your character. You can go by whatever you like.. especially in corp or alliance.. When it comes time for a real legal change on the account, I don't like that idea. People will be changing names on a whim. The criminal who stole 100 billion from your corp that you are trying to hunting down.. well, he'll have changed his identity 5 times before you can find him. wouldn't like that at all so there would have to be an "also named" history and the orignal name would have to remain primary.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.18 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole I have no problem with also known as additions.. but it's like my dad used to tell his clients when they'd come in and want a legal name change, "you can call yourself whatever you want and it costs nothing." You could just use the bios or title fields to add alis' for your character. You can go by whatever you like.. especially in corp or alliance.. When it comes time for a real legal change on the account, I don't like that idea. People will be changing names on a whim. The criminal who stole 100 billion from your corp that you are trying to hunting down.. well, he'll have changed his identity 5 times before you can find him. wouldn't like that at all so there would have to be an "also named" history and the orignal name would have to remain primary.
There would be a name history just like employment records, it's said many a times over, how could you miss it?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.26 04:30:00 -
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Given EVE is the only MMO without a character cap you simply don't max out and restart with someone new and improved. Means to develop the current and heavily invested in character is needed.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Plexar Varius
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Posted - 2009.01.08 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Plexar Varius on 08/01/2009 07:23:11 I would have to agree. Aliases would be just fine. If I can buy a character from someone else using in game isk, then why can I not change his name? It would make the character purchaser not so limited (like I am) and would possibly allow us to stick around. I know for myself the name is very personal and I would love to have a feature like this even at a once in a year / once in character lifetime type of setting even.
I would like to add that legal name changes are available in the real world as well. Its not like changing a name would wipe your criminal record, and it is much easier for CCP to keep a "record" of past history than the billions of people records are kept on. |
Jeanette Plato
Caldari Amargosa Observatory Zzz
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Posted - 2009.01.08 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Aliases, people come into EVE thinking they'll do the trial or just stay for a few hours then they're hooked and don't want to go back and create a new character or even won't see the added benefits of sporting a real name till much later. When they months later have grown dead tired of being Hugh Janus or Dao2 enter alias'!
It works as follow; People pay a certain amount of ingame currency for the privilege of a new name and field it much like a petition, fixed sum would range from 100M to 1B, ideally in an increasing fee for repeat offenders, doubling every time. Their old name is added to a list much like employment history and is easy to find for those wondering where their old nemesis went.
I'd also like for there to be an on creation name generator, a tool to help those among us who know they can't think of an immersive name to save their lives.
You like your nickname? There's nothing saying you can't have nicknames on the side of a real name, hell even in my outfit being name facists we nickname people left right and center.
Programming this you might want to add a unique podpilot number to each character which can never be altered, that way people who against all odds spam up name changes can never outrun who they truly are should the repoman come knocking.
#1. I think this should be a paid feature and can only be done once. #2. Below the person's new name, there should be an AKA OldName #3. Searching for that person under either the old name or the new name will show the same person. #4. All histories, blocked lists and standings need to remain intact.
On a personal note, I named my first character here in Eve the same name I had in Earth & Beyond. Doesn't really work for me anymore and I'd REALLY like to change it. |
Ens Gallente
Gallente Nebula Rasa Vanguard Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2009.01.19 06:59:00 -
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i totally support this idea...
when i created this character it wasn't important to me what the name was... i was here just to blow up some spaceships...
i changed few corps, had fun... and then 6 months later i met the RASA guys...
first time that my char name bothered me was when i wasn't accepted into the Nebula Rasa Holdings because of their naming policy... (luckily there was a corp in the RASA that accepted the "name impaired" people as Danton loves to call us...)
i wasn't going to just trow away 6 months worth of SP... (and most of the new guys don't even want to throw away 10 days of SP... when you only have 1.5mill SP that 500k SP is a lot to you)
i read through the whole topic... but i can't remember all the problems you guys found with this idea...
1. People taking your original name when u change it... ------------------------------------------------------------- Solution 1. Make name changing possible only by swapping names between your characters (like it is for changing portraits) and if u don't want someone else to use your old name just keep the character that has the old name now... Solution 2. Keep all the old names locked, but only allow 2-3 name changes for a character ------------------------------------------------------------- This also solves the EVE running out of available names (as much as i think that would never happen) ------------------------------------------------------------- 2. CCP not wanting players to be able to run from their past... ------------------------------------------------------------- CCP allowed selling of the character... so they allow for players to take someone else's fame and past... and our previous past wouldn't be erased... you have the aliases tab to check the old names... i check the player employment history for every pilot i see in local (even the blue ones... i know... i'm paranoid) so why is it harder to check for 2-3 aliases than last 10 corporations player was in? -------------------------------------------------------------- 3. People abusing this by changing names all the time -------------------------------------------------------------- Make the name changing payable... 15$ or something like that... and also (as mentioned above) limit the name changing to 2-3 times -------------------------------------------------------------- 4. DataBase problems with changing your name -------------------------------------------------------------- I realy REALY REALY don't believe that we are indexed in the database with our character names... we are indexed with User ID (probably the same as User ID in the API) and the names of all three characters you can have are just fields that are linked to the primary key that is User ID and they can be changed without any problems -------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Losing standings, corp roles, what-not... -------------------------------------------------------------- as above... these are not linked to the character names but some ID keys that don't change... -------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Not being able to recognize the titan pilots or something like that... -------------------------------------------------------------- If you know those pilots buy name... you can always look up their aliases tab, and with the local being removed as the intelligence gathering tool this problem really doesn't apply and just do as i do... write stuff about them in their notes... that's what they are there for... --------------------------------------------------------------
As i'm running out of place in this post and running out of problem i remembered reading, i'll just finish this... and if you guys find some more problems with this do write them down and i'm sure somebody (if not me) will find a solution for them
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