Very few things pisses me off more than political correctness. And pandering to the wishes of minorities can certainly be classified as such. The whole concept of multiplayer online games is INTERACTING WITH OTHER PLAYERS.
And - all of a sudden - pups up the "privacy" issue.
People who start playing a game like EVE - lo and behold - want privacy. OK, privacy is a good thing...but what does it have to do with having your online status known ?!

Are we all crazy now ???

Watchlist was good to see whether my enemies are online (this would make me a bit more careful), or whether my friends are online (so I could chat with them immediately) - and as far as I am concerned, this was the main use of watchlist for most people.

The current implementation of buddy list doesn't work - or, if it works - it sucks.
I can see a guy next to me in space - and his status is "offline"...
He has me blue, I have him blue - but we are both "offline" to each other.

I guess this provides us all with heaps of privacy...and makes the game more of a job than fun it should be.
I thought I was in Eve for the long run - but I am reconsidering.

Simply - political correctness is not my kettle of fish.

I guess I just don't get it.

Yeah,

When you both add each other to your watch list, the first one to do it gets an "Offline" status of your friend, the second one that adds will get the correct "online" status of the first one, well because the first guy has already added you.

The offline status will not change until there is a status change, like going offline, which the second one will get when the first one logs, as long as they keep you as a buddy. (Yes you will get, dude went offline message for someone who already looks offline)

When the first one logs in the next time you will get an "online" status for them.


Simply, you get status updates when they come online and go offline if you both have already added each other to buddy lists.

There were reasons for this change and from what I've seen and heard it isn't because the Devs wanted to prevent you from seeing and interacting with your friends.

There were some other "things" going on that forced this change, apparently.

Because they thought this was a little thing that everyone would get behind.

Tbh if you weren't in contact that much before why would it matter now?

I think the main issue here is not really the watch lists, it's that EVE is already too pvp centric as it is and the watch list thing is disturbing the balance even more.

I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.

Most of the ship destruction in the game is in empire which is not the way it is supposed to be.

If the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.

I Agree 100%

This game caters too much to the huge alliances who probably plex their accounts with BOTs anyway. Eventually all the bitter vets will be playing by themselves. They act like they want pvp lol They don't they want to slaughter new players. More ships get blown up in high sec than in null because the nullbears are only interested in easy fights.

role role role an alt
apply it to a corp ...

three quick points:

1) If the removal of the watch list is because a few people want to protect capital ships, then the capital pilots have forgotten the 1st rule of eve:
"never undock, or use, a ship you cannot afford to lose"

2) a quote from star trek II: the wrath of khan
spoken by Mr. Spock: "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one".
it appears CCP has made a decision which favors the one or the few and could care less about the many.

3) the vast majority of players will not post their complaints. they will talk about it amongst themselves.
then vote with their wallets. CCP will "wake up" when the subscription base shrinks.

locator locator locator locator,
life is one long warp

I seriously doubt many people will quit the game over this. Unfortunately, the only way CCP is going to get this message is if they bother to read these conversations and understand that they went about this in the worst way possible.

It's a bit more complex than losing ships. The watch list had a chilling effect on escalating combat, as you had instant intel on whether a particular alliance's super pilots were online. That was a legitimate problem that needed to be corrected.

I seriously doubt many people will quit the game over this. Unfortunately, the only way CCP is going to get this message is if they bother to read these conversations and understand that they went about this in the worst way possible.

this is starting to make sense to me now.

i am involved in high sec war.
when i war dec a corporation of 100 pilots i'll add all 100 (or as many names as i can find) to my watch list.
i want to know how many pilots are online at any given time.

my target has the exact same opportunity. they can add me to their watch list.
if they don't, the watch list isn't to blame. it's pilot error. or CEO error. or someone within the target corporation's error for not providing my name to their members.

if they begin to lose ships because they didn't add me to their watch list then they should accept the responsibility for not having done so.

if some null alliance failed to add their opponents cap pilots to their watch list and lost a whole bunch of ships because of that why, in god's name, should the rest of us suffer? after all, both sides had equal access to add names to a watch list.

as of now, finding an online war target is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
if i'm not added, the current watch list doesn't function.
i can run as many locators as i like.
the locator will tell me where they are and what station they're in....or if they're in space (assuming the pilot isn't in a worm hole).
but won't tell me if that pilot is online.
i may have to go 20 jumps only to learn they aren't online.
what a waste of my valuable time.

the current situation - regarding watch lists - is unacceptable imho

this is starting to make sense to me now.

i am involved in high sec war.
when i war dec a corporation of 100 pilots i'll add all 100 (or as many names as i can find) to my watch list.
i want to know how many pilots are online at any given time.

my target has the exact same opportunity. they can add me to their watch list.
if they don't, the watch list isn't to blame. it's pilot error. or CEO error. or someone within the target corporation's error for not providing my name to their members.

if they begin to lose ships because they didn't add me to their watch list then they should accept the responsibility for not having done so.

if some null alliance failed to add their opponents cap pilots to their watch list and lost a whole bunch of ships because of that...then why should the rest of us suffer? after all, both sides had equal access to add names to a watch list.

Usually when something becomes mandatory it gets nerfed. You can find lots of examples in Eve Online history.
The simplest examples: learning skills and clone upgrades. They were 'mandatory' and they were removed.

Your picture shows watch list as MANDATORY thing for every war. Either you use it and 'do it right' or you don't use it and 'blame yourself'. For me it fits perfectly to removing to allow players some options.

adapt?
as you seem to have the cure all answer, please share....

How about moving to bottleneck systems or hubs? You could camp your war target main system. You could PvP in lowsec.

Or choose a different profession.

Plenty of options

more options? everyone had the same options before this change.. add or don't add.
they have the same options now...add or don't add. the difference is being able to know or not knowing.
common sense....better to know.

How about moving to bottleneck systems or hubs? You could camp your war target main system. You could PvP in lowsec.

Or choose a different profession.

Plenty of options

No, you don't.



I'm sorry you were terrible at it. Your bitterness is misdirected, it's not our fault.



This reinforces the fact that you know very little about what many of us do, and is probably why you were terrible at it.



You're either trolling, or thick as ****. Either way you aren't qualified to comment and have clearly been a victim at some point, an incident that you evidently haven't gotten over.