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Kalle Demos
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:49:00 -
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Pros - Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar space are safe Cons - Gallente space isnt safe |
Scrindle Kavees
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:49:00 -
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Before I stopped playing EVE a few years ago, we used to get masses of domis together and gank freighters in high sec as they jumped in from gates provided they had decent stuff in them.
Does this still go on? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2086
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:56:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:But it doesn't give total immunity, you just have to spend a lot more money or use suicide ganking means. GǪgood luck suicide ganking a POS (and no, money will not help you). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2011.12.17 14:00:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote: And if so how can it be better balanced so as to discourage it.
Remove killmails. No killmails means no killboards, and therefore no epeen strokeing. No crowing over bad fits, or expensive implants. No killmails means no way to prove you killed anything, so no way to collect bounties, reimbursements, or goonsurance. Nothing would discourage ganking (and pvp in general) more than removing killmails.
Note: This is a bad idea and would be very bad for the game. But it would reduce ganking. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
528
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Posted - 2011.12.17 16:28:00 -
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I gank stuff for profit or because its mildly amusing. If I didn't Api verify my kills I wouldn't bother posting them. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Max Khaos
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:41:00 -
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Its all about risk v reward.
Suicide ganking for no risk can only be defended by the people doing it or by people who haven't got a clue. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2011.12.19 12:01:00 -
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Minister of Death wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote: the obvious answer..."because they can"...doesnt really address the question. how does "because they can" not address the question? are you daft?
human nature ? People are ****** ? or something like that.. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1063
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Posted - 2011.12.19 14:14:00 -
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Max Khaos wrote:Its all about risk v reward.
Suicide ganking for no risk can only be defended by the people doing it or by people who haven't got a clue. No risk or no consequences? Risk isn't really a factor because if you suicide gank you *will* lose your ship.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ghoest
31
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Posted - 2011.12.19 14:19:00 -
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pro - you ganked someone
con - you lost a ship
Did this really need a thread? Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
5
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Posted - 2011.12.19 15:20:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:. Im not too clear on this either. We as -5 and below understand that having such a low sec status, opens us up to being shootable anywhere any time. This includes pods. One of the reasons we run through empire in pods, isn't due to them not being shootable, but simply because they insta warp.
Sorry for seeming so dense... I've been having a problem finding a clear-cut statement on whether or not Outlaw (-5 sec and lower) pods were "fair game" - every other thread I've searched out and read through made it sound like pod-kills always invoked a security status drop, and then de-evolved into carebear-vs-pirate flamewars before actually *answering the question*.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1456
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Posted - 2011.12.19 15:26:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:Why do you feel it needs to be discouraged? Good point. But it does bring up the question is it normal gameplay or just CCP sanctioned griefing? I guess it depends who you talk to and what your idea of "game" is.
CCP have repeatedly affirmed that it's "normal gameplay" ie: intended and within the rules.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 04:58:00 -
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Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1734
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:30:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. Better yet, make everyone with a negative status killable both ship and pod. It's REALISTIC. I love how everyone says fight back, but EVE is suppose to have an aspect for every player and every player doesnt want to PVP.
Oh man I missed this thread. Thanks for bringing it back to life with a big spergy whine.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:35:00 -
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My alt has been suicide ganked once. By two cruisers .. omen and thorax i believe. I had an friendly chat with them afterwards wished them good luck and moved on. |
Jita Alt666
944
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:38:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. Better yet, make everyone with a negative status killable both ship and pod. It's REALISTIC. I love how everyone says fight back, but EVE is suppose to have an aspect for every player and every player doesnt want to PVP.
You raised a terrible thread from the dead with a terrible post?
Prepare to have everything you hold dear and of value attacked.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
369
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:40:00 -
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Because it is easy elite pvp and good fights. |
Cipher Jones
341
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Posted - 2012.03.03 05:50:00 -
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The cost of a couple dessies is less than the cost of some intact armor plates, so its generally profitable.
I would like to thank the goons for teaching me how.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Postumius Aculeo
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:14:00 -
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IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Well, I read a lot about "carebear tears" yet there is nothing to incite "pirate tears" in EVE. Seems kind'a one-sided. You are either predator or prey in EVE and the predators have the upper hand.
I think that is were the balance is lacking. The bears right the balance by fleeting up and defending each other. Also simply not AFK mining, watching local, gathering intel on gankers and paying attention to where they are would be a step in the right direction. You can't really stop someone determined to kill you regardless of cost but you can use the same resources he uses to find you to instead find him. Also would it really kill the bears to fit a few frigs and give these guys something to think about. Frigs are cheap and enough of them could really do something. Also, whats stopping the bears from getting more organized into bigger corps, larger alliances, and war deccing the Pirate Corps behind all of this? Is it fear? Like I said before, Frigs are cheap.
Question: Why is it that whenever the balance question comes up, the first solution suggested is ALWAYS for the carebears to radically change their playstyle to that of the gankers (PvP)? I've got nothing against PvP, but why should the PvE players be FORCED to switch to PvP in order to survive? |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:17:00 -
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Simple answer is to remove all astaroid belts from high sec. Maybe leave a pitiful amount behind for noob players. Hulks and the rest don't belong in high sec, period. Manufacturing doesn't belong there either. People who get fat and rich in high-sec are just laziness and cowardly. Stop clinging to concords skirts and man up! Join a Corp, make some friends and do mining ops with them and who knows, you might start learning about the game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5147
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:22:00 -
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Postumius Aculeo wrote:Question: Why is it that whenever the balance question comes up, the first solution suggested is ALWAYS for the carebears to radically change their playstyle to that of the gankers (PvP)? I've got nothing against PvP, but why should the PvE players be FORCED to switch to PvP in order to survive? Because the GÇ£problemsGÇ¥ the carebears face are not actually problems GÇö they're purposefully designed game elements that have existing solutions. The only real problem is that the carebears refuse to make use of those solutions and instead want to change the game to fit their playstyle.
The reason they should adopt a more secure play style is because they're in a PvP game GÇö it's up to you to ensure your own survival, not the game, and if they don't want to take care of themselves, they have no-one but themselves to blame for failing to survive. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Grumpy Owly
293
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:32:00 -
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Pro PvP and like to encorage more?
Actually like situations where ships shoot back?
You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in a risky EvE?
Vote: Bounty Hunting for CSM7. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.03.03 06:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Pro PvP and like to encorage more? Actually like situations where ships shoot back? You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in a risky EvE? Vote: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.
CSM = Glorified tourist. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1699
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Posted - 2012.03.03 11:43:00 -
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ReiAnn I am calling you out for bumping moronic troll threads. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:32:00 -
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The main problem is most suicide gankers are in cheap throw away ships and alts and go for soft targets so obviously have the desperate need to brag how brave they are to kill an unarmed mining ship or indy or what ever usually because they haven't the balls to use their main or a decent ship that they will loose, this kind are classified as "knuckledraging WOW intelect kiddie types" mainly, The fun thing to do is lure them to a tempting target, which turns out to be able to tank them then put "SUCKERS" in local its as funny as f*ck to watch them pop and you would be suprised then how many mouth off back to you cos their little boy mentality cant accept they were stung and tricked by a miner. :] There are various way to carry this out just be inventive. the better you are at it the more of them together are needed and/or more expensive ships they need to make their hit work that pushes up their costs as well. Dont get angry get EVEn :] |
Cipher Jones
341
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:38:00 -
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D'Kelle wrote:The main problem is most suicide gankers are in cheap throw away ships and alts and go for soft targets so obviously have the desperate need to brag how brave they are to kill an unarmed mining ship or indy or what ever usually because they haven't the balls to use their main or a decent ship that they will loose, this kind are classified as "knuckledraging WOW intelect kiddie types" mainly, The fun thing to do is lure them to a tempting target, which turns out to be able to tank them then put "SUCKERS" in local its as funny as f*ck to watch them pop and you would be suprised then how many mouth off back to you cos their little boy mentality cant accept they were stung and tricked by a miner. :] There are various way to carry this out just be inventive. the better you are at it the more of them together are needed and/or more expensive ships they need to make their hit work that pushes up their costs as well. Dont get angry get EVEn :]
Or it could just be profitable.
04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:49:00 -
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IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Well, I read a lot about "carebear tears" yet there is nothing to incite "pirate tears" in EVE. Seems kind'a one-sided. You are either predator or prey in EVE and the predators have the upper hand.
I think that is were the balance is lacking. The bears right the balance by fleeting up and defending each other. Also simply not AFK mining, watching local, gathering intel on gankers and paying attention to where they are would be a step in the right direction. You can't really stop someone determined to kill you regardless of cost but you can use the same resources he uses to find you to instead find him. Also would it really kill the bears to fit a few frigs and give these guys something to think about. Frigs are cheap and enough of them could really do something. Also, whats stopping the bears from getting more organized into bigger corps, larger alliances, and war deccing the Pirate Corps behind all of this? Is it fear? Like I said before, Frigs are cheap.
It's easier to join null buy a 10$ bot on the internet and make gazillions isk in total safety while being afk watching tv, go out do real good stuff. Then it's always nice to log on forums and play forum games that are obviously entertaining. |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:50:00 -
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If you want CCP to improove the ballance, personally I think you are wasting your time and effort, its one of their stealth ways of making Empire gaming more of a chore, however the following might be a considered way they could do it, and that would be for Concorde to tractor/transport the offending POD Pilots off to an In system Prison which holds the POD for upto max 5 gaming days depending upon the cost of damage they caused so that they cannot clone jump or warp out to either a safe spot or out of system. pluss the other in system pilots can verbally take the Pi*s out of them in local then whilst in there, and I guess they may gain some Kudos for having been "inside". it wont stop them but it will cause them inconvenience and reduce the incentive, and perhaps force them to war dec corps as they should doThat is if they have what it takes to do that, which i doubt. |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:53:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Well, I read a lot about "carebear tears" yet there is nothing to incite "pirate tears" in EVE. Seems kind'a one-sided. You are either predator or prey in EVE and the predators have the upper hand.
I think that is were the balance is lacking. The bears right the balance by fleeting up and defending each other. Also simply not AFK mining, watching local, gathering intel on gankers and paying attention to where they are would be a step in the right direction. You can't really stop someone determined to kill you regardless of cost but you can use the same resources he uses to find you to instead find him. Also would it really kill the bears to fit a few frigs and give these guys something to think about. Frigs are cheap and enough of them could really do something. Also, whats stopping the bears from getting more organized into bigger corps, larger alliances, and war deccing the Pirate Corps behind all of this? Is it fear? Like I said before, Frigs are cheap. It's easier to join null buy a 10$ bot on the internet and make gazillions isk in total safety while being afk watching tv, go out do real good stuff. Then it's always nice to log on forums and play forum games that are obviously entertaining.
Because most are in NPC corps in cheap thowaway alts and ships dumb ass. and you cant dec an NPC obviously youre EVE ignorant!
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1748
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:03:00 -
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D'Kelle wrote:Because most are in NPC corps in cheap thowaway alts and ships dumb ass. and you cant dec an NPC obviously your`e EVE ignorant! Dont get angry get EVEn :]
I do all my ganking from Goonwaffe characters.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
gfldex
335
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:17:00 -
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Even if the mechanics are changed _again_ (that would be round 10 IIRC) good players would still find ways to farm bad players. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
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