Dreads will never be used in a small subcap gang, their whole mechanic is simply not made for that.
As all capitals they are very slow, and siege is very situational. Siege is a huge drawback for small subcaps fight, but great for big fights where you commit to the grid, and probably would want to have siege for the defense bonus alone.
Trying to balance the damage so that they are viable in small subcaps fights, would mean that they need ridicilous dps, making them completely overpowered in big fights where the drawbacks of siege is reduced.

So there is no point in comparing them to carrier or anything else for smaller subcaps fight... they never will be good there, and are not supposed to be good there.

Now in bigger fights, its ok when they are viable against subcaps (which they are with the new guns, the damage is nice), but still should not be top choice to bring them against subcaps. Because they already excel at shooting bigger stuff. If they also become the best choice to shoot subcaps, why bring anything else at all?
If i remember correctly there was a time when dreads were extremely good against caps and subcaps, and it was nerfed for a good reason.
The role as big gun in cap fights already works on tranq, the option to switch to subcaps guns is just a bonus.



Another thing about fighters:
They are not really balanced among each other. The stats seem to be identical in every way except speed and damage per hit. Firbolg for example has 16% more damage than Templar, while Templar is 16% faster. Not only makes this the Firbolg superior, since you are usually going to prefer the damage, it also means we will probably have a similar situation as we had before the drone changes: Either use Gallente Drones for the damage, or Minmatar Drones for the speed (but the speed bonus is probably too small to consider this, so just use Gallente for everything), but nothing in between. Unless you really want to shoot with a specific damage type.
If you want to keep this large difference in damage, then the weaker drones need some bonus to application.

Placeholder requirements are not release requirements.

Are you implying they will change? Because I would like to know them in advance, so I can decide should I postpone my remap or not.

-The sum is not equal to the dps, you cannot fire the secondary all the time. If you could do that the damage would be roughly the same as the old values, but if that is the reason for the damage values, then it needs infinite ammo and auto repeat. Otherwise the damage is clearly weaker as before.

Also the application against fast-moving smaller targets like good fitted cruisers for example ist significantly worse than currently on TQ, the fighters simply lose a lot more of their DPS because they juse some kind of "missile mechanic" for their attack.

On TQ a carrier with 2 Omnidirectional Tracking Links (Tracking Scripts) and 1 TargetPainter can apply Damage pretty pretty hard even against tough cruisers (try Sleeper or T2 Playercruisers for example), but you cannot support your fighters with Omnidirectional Tracking Links any more and 3 Targetpainters have not even close the same effekt, because they do nothing against the damage-reduction because of the targets speed. And in most cases Webs cannot be used because they won't reach the target. Supportfighters are also not an option, their use cut your DPS down by 1/3 because you lose a squad of damagefighters. The "tackle" ability on the anti-fighter fighter does not seem to work yet and they do even worse DPS.


Not even counted the fact that the Fighters are way too weak now. They are shot down like flies once tackled. They need proper Values for Shield, Armor and Hull inc. resists, like those on TQ currently.

That would be really strange, considerung that fighters do not even have a tracking attribute.
Or are you talking about heavy fighters? They might be affected.

Dreads will never be used in a small subcap gang, their whole mechanic is simply not made for that.
As all capitals they are very slow, and siege is very situational. Siege is a huge drawback for small subcaps fight, but great for big fights where you commit to the grid, and probably would want to have siege for the defense bonus alone.
Trying to balance the damage so that they are viable in small subcaps fights, would mean that they need ridicilous dps, making them completely overpowered in big fights where the drawbacks of siege is reduced.

So there is no point in comparing them to carrier or anything else for smaller subcaps fight... they never will be good there, and are not supposed to be good there.

Now in bigger fights, its ok when they are viable against subcaps (which they are with the new guns, the damage is nice), but still should not be top choice to bring them against subcaps. Because they already excel at shooting bigger stuff. If they also become the best choice to shoot subcaps, why bring anything else at all?
If i remember correctly there was a time when dreads were extremely good against caps and subcaps, and it was nerfed for a good reason.
The role as big gun in cap fights already works on tranq, the option to switch to subcaps guns is just a bonus.

@Rong Guy: I am quoting my own post about sub cap dreads:



Also you are probably underestimating the dps. I've seen a screenshot with quad 800: >4800 dps. probably with imps, and maybe heat... but thats still a lot.

hell my phoenix gets over 5kdps with out heat

Sure, but how well does that apply? Torpedoes aren't exactly known for doing full damage.

When will the new changes to wh escalations go online on sisi/? need to start testing this soon!!!