I tested the reprocessing rigs in every level of security and it does not matter what Citadel I'm in or what T2 rig I am using in any space, it is always 68.3% for me.

I think high sec rigs should get more for their yield and null sec rigs should get more for theirs making things more level.

Just my two cents, but I think numbers are not final.

My citadel is stuck at 0 while anchoring, and has been for an hour. Is there a work-around / fix?

Issues I am having with Cits right now, is the stupid 24hr anchor time.

I know in a blog or vid it was mentioned they would be around 1/2/4 hours for the M/L/XL's, now I know things change, but damn thats just too ******* long of an anchor time.

So I suggest that the times be 1/2/4 for nullsec, be 2/4/8 for low sec and 3/'6/12 for high sec, this keeps the times REASONABLE and goes along with the "lower sec gets better buffs" idea that these things are being based on.


Loving these things otherwise.

Today I noticed what appears to be a bug. When missile launchers are fitted to a Citadel, and I attempt to fit a guided bomb launcher, it tells me I can only fit one of such module. When I remove the missile launchers and put the bomb launcher on, I can then put the missile launchers back on. I assume its "can only fit one of these" check mistakenly counts the missile launchers.

Edit - this bug extends to rigs. "18:38:56HintYou're unable to fit Standup L-Set Point Defense Battery Control II to Fortizar. You can only fit 1.00 of type Structure Rig Combat but already have 1." This happens because I already have a Standup L-Set Bomb Aimer II fitted. So only a single combat rig is currently allowed, regardless of type. Again, I assume this is not deliberate, but something in the "only one" checking code.

And am I not looking in the right place, or are the tractor and repulsor modules gone? Not just unseeded, but totally gone from SISI?

yes which is why the 24hr timer is needed its going to be hard to react if someone puts them up in your off hours with only 2-8hrs of warning
but really where is the post where they changed how the RF timers worked

Cannot warp to a Citadel that somebody is controlling. "20:48:49NotifyYou are unable to align or warp to the selected object because your warp drive is unable to lock onto it."

One other thing -

As we get closer to the release date I think it is important that CCP get out front on this one. These new structures are quite limited in terms of their use to start. One cannot build or research in them - I suspect many people who are not tied in to testing or the forums do not know this - many I have spoken to in game did not realize this was the case.

Rather than have pitchforks and torches CCP needs to set reasonable expectations with players - perhaps in game mails to every toon with links to the forums or You Tube vids.

I personally dont want another incarna - and the feedback I have heard talking to a few friends in game was "WTF you cant build in them???" and "What a waste of time if all you can do is dock in them"

I have tried to let people know that there are stepping stones in any new process and that these need to come online....be refined and added to over time. However not everyone is on board with that.....many expect instant results and I think there may be an over expectation on the delivery of this.

They are not POS replacements to start and even long term I dont see how these replace a POS since I can put one up and remove it quickly for little cost.

Cheers

~R~

I think the number of the moving lights on the citadels could be reduced.
I find they make it a bit fuzzy looking when all lit up. Don't get me wrong I think they add a feeling of life to the structure, but it may be a bit of overkill ...im just looking at the keepstar right now, I have put up the other ones and would say the same on those.
~R~

Was from an old dev blog, dunno if they kept it that way, if they didn't, then there stupid, because it made the most sense (1 RF for med/ 2 for


Off hours only matter if your a small alliance, and even then, only a med would be able to be sneaked into your system, which again, is only something very easy to hit with a few dreads, even when fully decked out vs caps. This is NO DIFFERENT then current game mechanics with a large tower, which already happens A LOT because of hidden exec corps not noticing the notification of when a POS was dropped in there SoV.


Possible suggestions would be to make the notification of a hostile cit being deployed be alliance wide, then you would have no excuse for someone plopping one in your space. Again, IF YOU LIVE IN YOUR OWN SPACE YOU WILL KNOW!

Yes, this is deliberate. It should be the ONLY module though that requires the Citadel to be vulnerable to use.

Agree with this, its a bit too much. Also too many holographic "traffic signs" - the repetition of these floating decal textures becomes very obvious, they could be reduced by half in number, and the result would still be visually engaging.

Yes, this is deliberate. It should be the ONLY module though that requires the Citadel to be vulnerable to use.

Nice, I like it. Since ships won't be able to damage the Citadel, those ships should have the option to GTFO at any time. (Unless being tackled by some other ship which can be destroyed, of course. :) )

Regarding the lights discussion - put me down as liking all der blinkenlichten.

also ccp can you tell us if docking fees are going to be added?


there really is not much reason do to how compression is handled to open up a citadel to the public and thats a huge limit to their potential

Docking fee sucks if CCP intent us to use that to compensate fuel for public compression. I really hope that CCP will add possibility to tax the usage of compression in Citadel. Without it they will kill the idea of having public Citadels for miners.

Citadel Compression & Reprocessing separated and to be taxable

To be honest docking fees don't really suck you should be able to tax anything you want in your structure.

But yesit is a crappy alternative to no tax on compression.

Both should be added

So while I'm waiting for a few citadels to anchor before I can contribute more heavily, some questions I have about current non-features.

1. Why can we not rotate and orient the citadels off of the horizontal plane?
- This would greatly help for aligning the structures as desired

1a) Why is there no ability to simply auto-align a citadel to a target on the overview?
- This would make things so much easier and there would be much rejoicing

2. Why do we not have some kind of item in the game to let us realign/reposition citadels after they have been dropped?
- Call them structure or rocket thrusters. Make them built from rocket fuel and some other PI goods. Create a M/L/XL size and value them at 1-2% of the structure cost. Works like a character resculpt and lets you re-enter the structure positioning window. Takes effect at downtime, consumed on use.

Anchoring will stay at 24h for initial release.

its because of WH groups complaining that they cant get free Intel like they can with a POS

they want to know how risky it is to gank that site running drake b4 they commit to it

The issue I have with the 24h timer is its far too long for the Medium and Large Cits. The time is just too much for the benefit you get out of anchoring one vs one of the bigger ones.

You could make a good argument for the 24hr timer for the XL as its the largest one AND the benefit it gives you (docking supers) plus its ability to defend itself is very good.

6 hours would be acceptable for the med, and 12 for the large, with 24 for the XL.

Was there a change to how long a Citadel is vulnerable after the 24 hour anchor period? or is it still 15 min?