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Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 506	Posted - 2011.12.20 12:35:00 - [61] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Frankly I think they should remove mining barges from the game entirely. Mining is one of the worst examples of gameplay that I've seen in any game. And while they're at it, fix the S&I and POS UIs. -Liang Not only it's the easiest activity for bots just after moon goo but has it stand it's completely worthless. The single stuff that can make you win some isk a while ago was pyroxeres and ice has long has you had at least lvl4 processing skills, even then missioning gives you a lot more. So either make this stupid activity something worthwhile for those actually playing the game, and so even more for bot users, or take it out of the game. The one pretending he's making isk while being ganked because he's a good boy and wants gankers to kill bots is just another pawn talking to himself. (yeah saw a post a week ago couldn't imagine there are so many disturbed people) FW improvements should make this become interesting and even make me go test, just do it CCP? Ho and the Hybrids (?) rebalance supposed to be delivered with the expansion? Get rid of alloys in drone regions and replace those for something making those players not loose all will of playing this game? Change mining mechanics and make this activity interesting? -faster cycles, bigger cargo, align gtfo improved to extreme If mining becomes something more dynamic then for sure bots will be a lot more easily spoted and ganked by miners them selves. Before they get to mining there's so many stuff waiting now for years to be changed. They did a lot of stuff lately, 4 weeks and did more than in over 3 years witch is the proof they can do serious business if they want.
Drew Solaert University of Caille Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2011.12.20 13:27:00 - [62] - Quote Yield or Survivability. Pick one. This is the way it should be.
Argaral Obstergo NEM3SIS. 4	Posted - 2011.12.21 02:09:00 - [63] - Quote Jojo Jackson wrote: Lady Spank wrote: mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal supporting a ore processing machine, how much tank do you think they should have? As much as a standart T1 cruiser like Arbitrator or Vexor. They are medium hulls which need medium rigs and aren't able to fit medium rep/booster or plates/shields ??? Bad joke !! Common fits for Arbitrator or Vexor include largh shield extender AND all the stuff they need to fight. Even a Hulk ... TECH 2 MULTI MILLION DOLLER SHIP ... can't fit a MEDIUM extender without problems (fitting mods)! 3*Stripe miner + 1 MEDIUM T2 shield extender == NOT POSIBLE without fitting mods. I realy want to see your tears when you can't fit even a MEDIUM extender on your shiny pew pew TECH TWO cruiser ! Plain and simple FAIL BALANCE! You're an idiot...... Civilian ships =/= military ships. Stop afk mining and use your brains, otherwise, mine in a Rohk. Unarmed, unarmoured civilian vessel. Also, you can fit the ship with tank, you clearly need to stop going for tech 2 gear(I'm not saying get faction either).
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:41:00 - [64] - Quote Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: For all the banter back and forth on this...the underlying issue is that the Hulk is supposed to be the go-to ship for mining in HOSTILE space. It has the resists to do so. The problem is that any attempt to fit more than insignificant amounts of buffer to the thing to survive attempts at ganking (as opposed to the active tank usually used to deal with rats) runs head-on into powergrid problems that are so extreme only a MAPC can fix them. To wit: I own an AB Wolf with a 400mm plate + 2 projectile rigs + 150mm ACs and no powergrid mods. The Hulk, which uses MEDIUM rigs and has roughly 3x the mass of a Drake (Hulk mass = 40mil KG, Drake mass = ~14mil KG), needs a MAPC to be able to fit a MSE along with its strip miners. Does this smell to you? It sure does to me. 30k EHP of buffer is not too much for something that basically IS cruiser-sized. Most T2 cruisers have no trouble reaching the 30k mark even without a resist bonus as extreme as the Hulk's 7.5%/level, and those that do get a resist bonus (Sacrilege, I'm looking at you :-) come close to that mark "out-of-the-box". TL;DR: Just give the Hulk about 15MW extra output from its reactor, so that buffer tanked Hulks would go from "theorycrafting curiosity" to "something people actually might use". You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right? Even with all the 'fitting' issues. Yes, but you need a MAPC to do so, which is quite smelly on a cruiser-sized ship IMO, and puts the fit into "theorycrafting curiosity" land for the vast majority of the population. Which is exactly why I suggested the PG buff, so that the MSE+resistmods fit would become something practical!
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:44:00 - [65] - Quote Argaral wrote: Jojo Jackson wrote: Lady Spank wrote: mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal supporting a ore processing machine, how much tank do you think they should have? As much as a standart T1 cruiser like Arbitrator or Vexor. They are medium hulls which need medium rigs and aren't able to fit medium rep/booster or plates/shields ??? Bad joke !! Common fits for Arbitrator or Vexor include largh shield extender AND all the stuff they need to fight. Even a Hulk ... TECH 2 MULTI MILLION DOLLER SHIP ... can't fit a MEDIUM extender without problems (fitting mods)! 3*Stripe miner + 1 MEDIUM T2 shield extender == NOT POSIBLE without fitting mods. I realy want to see your tears when you can't fit even a MEDIUM extender on your shiny pew pew TECH TWO cruiser ! Plain and simple FAIL BALANCE! You're an idiot...... Civilian ships =/= military ships. Stop afk mining and use your brains, otherwise, mine in a Rohk. Unarmed, unarmoured civilian vessel. Also, you can fit the ship with tank, you clearly need to stop going for tech 2 gear(I'm not saying get faction either). Unarmed? Go fly a frig up against a Hulk pilot who actually has good drone skills (and half a brain). Like I said, the Hulk was meant to mine in HOSTILE SPACE. Get it?
Korg Tronix Heretic Army 20	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:45:00 - [66] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: For all the banter back and forth on this...the underlying issue is that the Hulk is supposed to be the go-to ship for mining in HOSTILE space. It has the resists to do so. The problem is that any attempt to fit more than insignificant amounts of buffer to the thing to survive attempts at ganking (as opposed to the active tank usually used to deal with rats) runs head-on into powergrid problems that are so extreme only a MAPC can fix them. To wit: I own an AB Wolf with a 400mm plate + 2 projectile rigs + 150mm ACs and no powergrid mods. The Hulk, which uses MEDIUM rigs and has roughly 3x the mass of a Drake (Hulk mass = 40mil KG, Drake mass = ~14mil KG), needs a MAPC to be able to fit a MSE along with its strip miners. Does this smell to you? It sure does to me. 30k EHP of buffer is not too much for something that basically IS cruiser-sized. Most T2 cruisers have no trouble reaching the 30k mark even without a resist bonus as extreme as the Hulk's 7.5%/level, and those that do get a resist bonus (Sacrilege, I'm looking at you :-) come close to that mark "out-of-the-box". TL;DR: Just give the Hulk about 15MW extra output from its reactor, so that buffer tanked Hulks would go from "theorycrafting curiosity" to "something people actually might use". You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right? Even with all the 'fitting' issues. Yes, but you need a MAPC to do so, which is quite smelly on a cruiser-sized ship IMO, and puts the fit into "theorycrafting curiosity" land for the vast majority of the population. Which is exactly why I suggested the PG buff, so that the MSE+resistmods fit would become something practical! Its practical now, you just have to make a choice between tanking your hulk and losing out on a little yield or going max yield and having a fairly low buffer Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] Evil: Sorry. -á
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:56:00 - [67] - Quote Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: For all the banter back and forth on this...the underlying issue is that the Hulk is supposed to be the go-to ship for mining in HOSTILE space. It has the resists to do so. The problem is that any attempt to fit more than insignificant amounts of buffer to the thing to survive attempts at ganking (as opposed to the active tank usually used to deal with rats) runs head-on into powergrid problems that are so extreme only a MAPC can fix them. To wit: I own an AB Wolf with a 400mm plate + 2 projectile rigs + 150mm ACs and no powergrid mods. The Hulk, which uses MEDIUM rigs and has roughly 3x the mass of a Drake (Hulk mass = 40mil KG, Drake mass = ~14mil KG), needs a MAPC to be able to fit a MSE along with its strip miners. Does this smell to you? It sure does to me. 30k EHP of buffer is not too much for something that basically IS cruiser-sized. Most T2 cruisers have no trouble reaching the 30k mark even without a resist bonus as extreme as the Hulk's 7.5%/level, and those that do get a resist bonus (Sacrilege, I'm looking at you :-) come close to that mark "out-of-the-box". TL;DR: Just give the Hulk about 15MW extra output from its reactor, so that buffer tanked Hulks would go from "theorycrafting curiosity" to "something people actually might use". You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right? Even with all the 'fitting' issues. Yes, but you need a MAPC to do so, which is quite smelly on a cruiser-sized ship IMO, and puts the fit into "theorycrafting curiosity" land for the vast majority of the population. Which is exactly why I suggested the PG buff, so that the MSE+resistmods fit would become something practical! Its practical now, you just have to make a choice between tanking your hulk and losing out on a little yield or going max yield and having a fairly low buffer What I'm saying by "theorycrafting curiosity" is that 99% of pilots won't even consider putting a MAPC on a cruiser-sized ship, not "waa I lost a little yield".
Korg Tronix Heretic Army 20	Posted - 2011.12.21 18:58:00 - [68] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Korg Tronix wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: For all the banter back and forth on this...the underlying issue is that the Hulk is supposed to be the go-to ship for mining in HOSTILE space. It has the resists to do so. The problem is that any attempt to fit more than insignificant amounts of buffer to the thing to survive attempts at ganking (as opposed to the active tank usually used to deal with rats) runs head-on into powergrid problems that are so extreme only a MAPC can fix them. To wit: I own an AB Wolf with a 400mm plate + 2 projectile rigs + 150mm ACs and no powergrid mods. The Hulk, which uses MEDIUM rigs and has roughly 3x the mass of a Drake (Hulk mass = 40mil KG, Drake mass = ~14mil KG), needs a MAPC to be able to fit a MSE along with its strip miners. Does this smell to you? It sure does to me. 30k EHP of buffer is not too much for something that basically IS cruiser-sized. Most T2 cruisers have no trouble reaching the 30k mark even without a resist bonus as extreme as the Hulk's 7.5%/level, and those that do get a resist bonus (Sacrilege, I'm looking at you :-) come close to that mark "out-of-the-box". TL;DR: Just give the Hulk about 15MW extra output from its reactor, so that buffer tanked Hulks would go from "theorycrafting curiosity" to "something people actually might use". You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right? Even with all the 'fitting' issues. Yes, but you need a MAPC to do so, which is quite smelly on a cruiser-sized ship IMO, and puts the fit into "theorycrafting curiosity" land for the vast majority of the population. Which is exactly why I suggested the PG buff, so that the MSE+resistmods fit would become something practical! Its practical now, you just have to make a choice between tanking your hulk and losing out on a little yield or going max yield and having a fairly low buffer What I'm saying by "theorycrafting curiosity" is that 99% of pilots won't even consider putting a MAPC on a cruiser-sized ship, not "waa I lost a little yield". Thats there own fault then they didn't accommodate for any risks and therefore they are a lot easier to gank. Its the same story for the people that don't tank their haulers then whine when they get popped whilst carrying 100s million of items. Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] Evil: Sorry. -á
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 357	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:06:00 - [69] - Quote Oh noez, you tanked it. Now it will take 2 Catalysts instead of 1 to gank a 200 mil hulk. You losers should listen to yourselves. You're arguing that barges can already put up a tank worth a joke. Repeat: "Barge + tank." You're embarrassing yourself. "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better?
Billionaire Carebear University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:10:00 - [70] - Quote Goose99 wrote: "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? Just thought that sounded good twice. "I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better? --áGoose99
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 277	Posted - 2011.12.21 19:15:00 - [71] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Unarmed? Go fly a frig up against a Hulk pilot who actually has good drone skills (and half a brain). Like I said, the Hulk was meant to mine in HOSTILE SPACE. Get it? Gladly.. any frig pilot worth his salt will kill the drones in short order.. then kill the hulk.. Your not scaring anyone off with your single flight of T2 Light Drones lol. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.21 21:09:00 - [72] - Quote Xolve wrote: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Unarmed? Go fly a frig up against a Hulk pilot who actually has good drone skills (and half a brain). Like I said, the Hulk was meant to mine in HOSTILE SPACE. Get it? Gladly.. any frig pilot worth his salt will kill the drones in short order.. then kill the hulk.. Your not scaring anyone off with your single flight of T2 Light Drones lol. Correction, a Hulk can carry two flights of lights or one of mediums, and drones ARE a threat to frigates, especially those that aren't going for max tracking on their guns...
Vihura Vihura Cor 2	Posted - 2011.12.21 21:33:00 - [73] - Quote Khaiton LaSalle wrote: Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit. Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges? I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit? I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones! So, if it has not already been beaten to death, can we all scream at CCP to buff the barges. Thank you for your support. Just use Rokh :) http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25971-Mining-Rokh-FTW.html
Jimmyhatt Heretic Army 1	Posted - 2011.12.21 22:31:00 - [74] - Quote Hulk tanks are pretty week. They should be worth the 100's of mil they cost.. If not reduce the price and people would complain less. It takes about 20 hours of mining to recoup the cost of a lost hulk in hi esc. So yeild vs survivability is not really an issue when the yeild isnt worth 2 *** in high sec It should take an = amount of isk invested in the pew pew ship to kill a hulk as quickly as they currently pop. IE you would need 200mil to instapop 200mil.. Not 5mil vs 200+mil. Its a heard mentality.. You have a heard of 100 hulks and 5 go down to a ganker so only the 5% are pissed. On the whole its balanced but in reality hulks are too vulnerable for being a top teir mining ship. They should at least be able to with stand the insta ganks.. A sustanined attack is a whole differnt game which the hulk should always lose. Not being able to react is pretty ****.
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 572	Posted - 2011.12.21 23:55:00 - [75] - Quote Again, its not intended for high sec. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) GÖÑ Inactive 21/12 unltil the new year, seasons greetings GÖÑ
Xolve Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League 289	Posted - 2011.12.22 00:07:00 - [76] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Correction, a Hulk can carry two flights of lights or one of mediums, and drones ARE a threat to frigates, especially those that aren't going for max tracking on their guns... Still doesn't matter.. most frigs can outrun drones, and kill them while they are doing it.. I'm sorry if frigates have a better tank then your **** mining vessel. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.**
Jimmyhatt Heretic Army 1	Posted - 2011.12.22 02:08:00 - [77] - Quote You cant say mining barge is intended for any sec... Givent the fact that you can find site through probes almost any mineral can be mined. There is not rule for intention of ship use.. To say a ship is ment for high sec or low sec or null sec is an assumption on your part.. Not a fact..
Thrawn Nostur Impulsive Anarchy Talocan United 0	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:11:00 - [78] - Quote Search youtube for a vid called "when carebears attack".
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.22 03:42:00 - [79] - Quote Thrawn Nostur wrote: Search youtube for a vid called "when carebears attack". I know a pilot from one of my former alliances who actually owns a pointy Hulk ;) Canflip at your own risk!
Sizeof Void Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2011.12.22 16:15:00 - [80] - Quote Jimmyhatt wrote: You cant say mining barge is intended for any sec... There is not rule for intention of ship use.. To say a ship is ment for high sec or low sec or null sec is an assumption on your part.. Not a fact.. Actually, it is a fact. CCP designed the T1 mining barges to be used in high sec, and Hulks to be used in low and null sec. If you don't believe it, then feel free to ask the CCP devs at FanFest. Gank-proof ships, however, are not part of the design of any ship in the game.
Sizeof Void Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2011.12.22 16:24:00 - [81] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Frankly I think they should remove mining barges from the game entirely. Mining is one of the worst examples of gameplay that I've seen in any game. Not only it's the easiest activity for bots just after moon goo but has it stand it's completely worthless. The single stuff that can make you win some isk a while ago was pyroxeres and ice has long has you had at least lvl4 processing skills, even then missioning gives you a lot more. So either make this stupid activity something worthwhile for those actually playing the game, and so even more for bot users, or take it out of the game. Change mining mechanics and make this activity interesting? -faster cycles, bigger cargo, align gtfo improved to extreme If mining becomes something more dynamic then for sure bots will be a lot more easily spoted and ganked by miners them selves. Funny thing, Tanya - I'd totally agree with you and Liang, except for the obvious fact that there are so many non-bot players doing mining and nothing else in the game. Personally, I just don't get it. And, do they actually pay a sub fee to do this mindnumbing activity? I'd much rather pay to watch paint dry (or at least sniff it).
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 578	Posted - 2011.12.22 16:30:00 - [82] - Quote Sizeof Void wrote: Jimmyhatt wrote: You cant say mining barge is intended for any sec... There is not rule for intention of ship use.. To say a ship is ment for high sec or low sec or null sec is an assumption on your part.. Not a fact.. Actually, it is a fact. CCP designed the T1 mining barges to be used in high sec, and Hulks to be used in low and null sec. If you don't believe it, then feel free to ask the CCP devs at FanFest. Gank-proof ships, however, are not part of the design of any ship in the game. Exactly right. Hulks tank null rats just fine and have the best mining yield. 2.great advantages. To expect them to have a massive buffer as well is just unrealistic. Read the description of the hulk. It states it was designed with 'deep space' in mind which in CCP speak means null sec. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) GÖÑ Inactive 21/12 unltil the new year, seasons greetings GÖÑ
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost 12	Posted - 2011.12.22 17:38:00 - [83] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Sizeof Void wrote: Jimmyhatt wrote: You cant say mining barge is intended for any sec... There is not rule for intention of ship use.. To say a ship is ment for high sec or low sec or null sec is an assumption on your part.. Not a fact.. Actually, it is a fact. CCP designed the T1 mining barges to be used in high sec, and Hulks to be used in low and null sec. If you don't believe it, then feel free to ask the CCP devs at FanFest. Gank-proof ships, however, are not part of the design of any ship in the game. Exactly right. Hulks tank null rats just fine and have the best mining yield. 2.great advantages. To expect them to have a massive buffer as well is just unrealistic. Read the description of the hulk. It states it was designed with 'deep space' in mind which in CCP speak means null sec. I personally would be OK with the Hulk being able to be fit with EITHER a strong buffer OR a nullsec-belt-rat-worthy active tank. (Which is about where we are at now, if not for nobody ever using the buffer fits, it seems.) P.S. even a well-tanked Hulk is still not Sleeper-proof (you might be able to deal with the Sleeper frigs in C2 Perimeter grav sites, but C3 and up are probably. off limits due to neuting, and Hulks can't fit into C1s due to the anomalously high mass of mining barges and exhumers). Also: if you feel the best solution to people's Hulks getting ganked is simply to publicize the existing MAPC-based buffer Hulk fittings, GO AHEAD! (I just think that most of the hisec population would turn their nose up at putting a MAPC on a ship that size.)
Kodama Ikari GOOD FELLAS Inc. 3	Posted - 2011.12.22 20:16:00 - [84] - Quote Jojo Jackson wrote: Lady Spank wrote: mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal supporting a ore processing machine, how much tank do you think they should have? As much as a standart T1 cruiser like Arbitrator or Vexor. They are medium hulls which need medium rigs and aren't able to fit medium rep/booster or plates/shields ??? Bad joke !! HAHAHA. While you're at it, be sure to give industrials the ability to fit medium shield extenders with a 10mn mwd, because "they are medium hulls" too. Seriously though. Vexors and arbitrators are supposed to take fire. Mining barges are not. You may as well be complaining that battleships need a mining buff because barges can pull in ore much faster. Go mine in a quieter system, mine in mission deadspace, or mine in a gravimentric belt. Better yet, go mine in nullsec. Lots of nullsec alliances need miners. You get to mine in complete safety with max gang bonuses and in an upgraded system that constantly spawns full gravimetric belts. What could be better than that?
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 579	Posted - 2011.12.22 21:12:00 - [85] - Quote Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote: Also: if you feel the best solution to people's Hulks getting ganked is simply to publicize the existing MAPC-based buffer Hulk fittings, GO AHEAD! (I just think that most of the hisec population would turn their nose up at putting a MAPC on a ship that size.) People unwilling to buffer fit their ships while whining about ganks might be mildly amusing but no buffer is going to save them anyway. People will just use more ships and gank anyway. My suggestion to surviving as a miner in high sec has always been simple, use a battleship. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) GÖÑ Inactive 21/12 unltil the new year, seasons greetings GÖÑ
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2011.12.22 22:32:00 - [86] - Quote This thread is still going but there is little depth to the conversation. Hulks need buffing! Hulks can be tanked! No they can't! Hulks aren't for high-sec! Shut up noob! These are all just symptoms. The real issue is the nature of High-Sec. War decs can be exploited out of. Fix it so they can't. If they want out of the war they should have to pay to get out. Thems da rules. High Sec combat should be all about following the rules. Once you fix that you can revisit ganking. When you think about it it 'real life' would follow below: Conversation between Miner and Insurance Agent. Miner: "My ship got destroyerd." Insurance Agent: "Again?!? Were you in high sec?" Miner: "Yes." IA: "Did those that blow you up have an active war dec?" Miner: "No." IA: "What was the value of your ship? Miner: "200 million." IA: "Per your contract I am paying you 75% of your ship and cargo." Conversation between Miner's Insurance Agent and Pirate's Insurance Agent MIA: "Your boys did again." PIA: "Uhm... Prove it." MIA: "You know that I can. We can do this the easy way or take it to court. You owe me 150 million isk." PIA: "......." Conversation between Pirate's Insurance Agent and Pirate PIA: "I am debiting your account with me for......" Now that **** would be funny.
Umega Solis Mensa 8	Posted - 2011.12.22 23:18:00 - [87] - Quote NEWS FLASH!!! Orcas and freighters get popped in highsec.. Stuff as much tank on a hulk as you want, won't make a damn difference. It is really easy to make a hulk gank proof against a lone ganker.. tsk tsk on anyone for not doing so. Blame yourselves before the game. Using one in low/null/wh.. you should have combat support, and probably even a rorq support too. Doing this on your own.. oh well.. welcome to an MMO were not much should be solo'd with immunity to consequences. A person bitching for perfection to cover their own faults.. makes them a ***. Quit being a ***. Here's the lesson of the day hidden in the first statement at the top.. If someone wants to pop, and they have the resources to do so, they are going to pop you.. no matter what your tank is. The End.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1075	Posted - 2011.12.23 00:39:00 - [88] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: The real issue is the nature of High-Sec. War decs can be exploited out of. Fix it so they can't. What do war decs have to do with hulks getting suicide ganked in high sec? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Zarnak Wulf Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2011.12.23 02:01:00 - [89] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: The real issue is the nature of High-Sec. War decs can be exploited out of. Fix it so they can't. What do war decs have to do with hulks getting suicide ganked in high sec? I'm just saying hisec is lame. It needs to be rethought. Along with a great other many things.
Ancy Denaries Frontier Venture 80	Posted - 2011.12.23 07:46:00 - [90] - Quote Emperor Salazar wrote: Jojo Jackson wrote: Boris Ginnungagap wrote: Best solution is that concord wouldn't allow capsuleer below -1.99 security status through high security jump gates and jump gates leading to high security space. When CONCORDER they should be jailed for 7, 14, 21, ... days -> unable to undock or trade! In addition all the drobbed loot can ONLY be taken by the victim. On a scale of 1 to down syndrome, how stupid do you feel? I believe you missed his sarcasm. Understandable since he forgot his [sarcasm] tags. Because that can honestly not be anything but trolling.

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