mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal supporting a ore processing machine, how much tank do you think they should have?

mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal

So are minmatar ships and they seem to tank just fine. The tank of the barges gives me the impression that they are made of cardboard and wood rather than metal.

Hulk can have 24k EHP and still mine 4000m3 per cycle...

More then enough

Best solution is that concord wouldn't allow capsuleer below -1.99 security status through high security jump gates and jump gates leading to high security space.

When CONCORDER they should be jailed for 7, 14, 21, ... days -> unable to undock or trade!
In addition all the drobbed loot can ONLY be taken by the victim.

Impossibru!


[Hulk, Tank]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

27.8k EHP nonoverheat. Overheat the Invulns to get 31k.

Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit.

Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges?

I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit?

I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones!

So, if it has not already been beaten to death, can we all scream at CCP to buff the barges.

Thank you for your support.

if it fits medium rigs it's a cruiser/BC sized hull - it should have enough for L shield extender and an AB(or second extender).
MAPC on a cruiser sized hull should never be even considered. MAPC screams frigate.

if it fits medium rigs it's a cruiser/BC sized hull - it should have enough for L shield extender and an AB(or second extender).

mining barges are cheap hunks of scrap metal supporting a ore processing machine, how much tank do you think they should have? if you want to mine in high sec in safety use a battleship, or go mine in low or null where you at least have to pay attention and can realistically deal with hostile (anyone in system).

People that expect to mine in safety in empire in exhumers are greedy and out of touch with the modern game. Adapt or die is never a more appropriate mantra than in this instance.

No dummy. Adapting means not using a hulk in high sec where it is easily killed no matter how you fit it.

Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit.

Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges?

I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit?

I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones!

So, if it has not already been beaten to death, can we all scream at CCP to buff the barges.

Thank you for your support.

Looking at the killmail I can't help but notice you fit for all out mining. Which is fine. You can fit however you like. But this means that if someone attacks you with a thrasher, you will pop almost instantly.

A barge is a very specialized ship, and surviving combat isn't what its designed for. But this is EVE, and you always have options.

You could mine in a higher sec system so Concord gets to you sooner.
You could fit for EHP and carry combat/ECM drones and hope for the best.
You could mine in a BS; The Rokh is a great mining ship.

Or you can continue doing what your doing now, and just accept that you may have to cover an occasional lost ship.

The new and improved Catalyst pumps out 800 dps overheated (no, you won't need those guns later). An exhumer, much less barge, won't tank it no matter what you do. Just be like everyone else and run ratting bots deep within the blue ass of a large alliance, where you don't see hostiles for weeks on end.

Read my previous post:


Fittings won't help, even against a dessie. Barge is going the way of the Gallante.

I wasn't aware OP's barge comes with more than 1 mid? Oh you meant 200 mil hulks? I'm sure the ganker can invest in a nice Thorax or Brutix for that...

Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit.

Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges?

I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit?

I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones!

I would expect the suggestion above to cost 2 to 3 times as much as a Hulk currently does.

Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit.

Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges?

I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit?

I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones!

So, if it has not already been beaten to death, can we all scream at CCP to buff the barges.

Thank you for your support.

You can get over 35,000 EHP on a Hulk.

Too easy to pop you say?

More like lazy, greedy Hulk pilots.

Is this your main? Where do you usually mine? I'd be happy to come and provide security for you.

I love carebear QQ threads. When I'm having a bad day, I come here and laugh at how many people play Eve in the most boring way possible. =D

For all the banter back and forth on this...the underlying issue is that the Hulk is supposed to be the go-to ship for mining in HOSTILE space. It has the resists to do so. The problem is that any attempt to fit more than insignificant amounts of buffer to the thing to survive attempts at ganking (as opposed to the active tank usually used to deal with rats) runs head-on into powergrid problems that are so extreme only a MAPC can fix them.

To wit:
I own an AB Wolf with a 400mm plate + 2 projectile rigs + 150mm ACs and no powergrid mods. The Hulk, which uses MEDIUM rigs and has roughly 3x the mass of a Drake (Hulk mass = 40mil KG, Drake mass = ~14mil KG), needs a MAPC to be able to fit a MSE along with its strip miners. Does this smell to you? It sure does to me.

30k EHP of buffer is not too much for something that basically IS cruiser-sized. Most T2 cruisers have no trouble reaching the 30k mark even without a resist bonus as extreme as the Hulk's 7.5%/level, and those that do get a resist bonus (Sacrilege, I'm looking at you :-) come close to that mark "out-of-the-box".

TL;DR: Just give the Hulk about 15MW extra output from its reactor, so that buffer tanked Hulks would go from "theorycrafting curiosity" to "something people actually might use".

You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right?

Frankly I think they should remove mining barges from the game entirely. Mining is one of the worst examples of gameplay that I've seen in any game. And while they're at it, fix the S&I and POS UIs.

-Liang

As much as a standart T1 cruiser like Arbitrator or Vexor.

They are medium hulls which need medium rigs and aren't able to fit medium rep/booster or plates/shields ??? Bad joke !!

Common fits for Arbitrator or Vexor include largh shield extender AND all the stuff they need to fight. Even a Hulk ... TECH 2 MULTI MILLION DOLLER SHIP ... can't fit a MEDIUM extender without problems (fitting mods)!
3*Stripe miner + 1 MEDIUM T2 shield extender == NOT POSIBLE without fitting mods.

I realy want to see your tears when you can't fit even a MEDIUM extender on your shiny pew pew TECH TWO cruiser !

Plain and simple FAIL BALANCE!

You do know you can already reach 30k ehp on a Hulk? Right?

Even with all the 'fitting' issues.

You're an idiot......

Civilian ships =/= military ships. Stop afk mining and use your brains, otherwise, mine in a Rohk. Unarmed, unarmoured civilian vessel. Also, you can fit the ship with tank, you clearly need to stop going for tech 2 gear(I'm not saying get faction either).

Yes, but you need a MAPC to do so, which is quite smelly on a cruiser-sized ship IMO, and puts the fit into "theorycrafting curiosity" land for the vast majority of the population. Which is exactly why I suggested the PG buff, so that the MSE+resistmods fit would become something practical!

Its practical now, you just have to make a choice between tanking your hulk and losing out on a little yield or going max yield and having a fairly low buffer

What I'm saying by "theorycrafting curiosity" is that 99% of pilots won't even consider putting a MAPC on a cruiser-sized ship, not "waa I lost a little yield".

"I don't want barges to have a viable tank, because I want to gank those when hulkagaddon rolls by in half a month." See? Doesn't telling the truth make you feel better?

Unarmed? Go fly a frig up against a Hulk pilot who actually has good drone skills (and half a brain). Like I said, the Hulk was meant to mine in HOSTILE SPACE. Get it?

Gladly.. any frig pilot worth his salt will kill the drones in short order.. then kill the hulk..

Your not scaring anyone off with your single flight of T2 Light Drones lol.

Before I start, I have not searched the forums about this topic. I want to rant a bit.

Griefers and mining barges. Have the powers that be ever been given grief about how easy it is to kill mining barges?

I know that the game is suppose to have a level of risk, yadda, yadda, yadda. But can we not get a buff of the barges so that we can at least fight back a little bit?

I lost a covetor to a Thrasher in 10 seconds. I did not even get a chance to launch my drones!

So, if it has not already been beaten to death, can we all scream at CCP to buff the barges.

Thank you for your support.

Correction, a Hulk can carry two flights of lights or one of mediums, and drones ARE a threat to frigates, especially those that aren't going for max tracking on their guns...

Search youtube for a vid called "when carebears attack".

You cant say mining barge is intended for any sec... There is not rule for intention of ship use.. To say a ship is ment for high sec or low sec or null sec is an assumption on your part.. Not a fact..

Not only it's the easiest activity for bots just after moon goo but has it stand it's completely worthless. The single stuff that can make you win some isk a while ago was pyroxeres and ice has long has you had at least lvl4 processing skills, even then missioning gives you a lot more.

So either make this stupid activity something worthwhile for those actually playing the game, and so even more for bot users, or take it out of the game.

Change mining mechanics and make this activity interesting? -faster cycles, bigger cargo, align gtfo improved to extreme
If mining becomes something more dynamic then for sure bots will be a lot more easily spoted and ganked by miners them selves.

Actually, it is a fact. CCP designed the T1 mining barges to be used in high sec, and Hulks to be used in low and null sec.

If you don't believe it, then feel free to ask the CCP devs at FanFest.

Gank-proof ships, however, are not part of the design of any ship in the game.

Exactly right. Hulks tank null rats just fine and have the best mining yield. 2.great advantages. To expect them to have a massive buffer as well is just unrealistic.

Read the description of the hulk. It states it was designed with 'deep space' in mind which in CCP speak means null sec.

As much as a standart T1 cruiser like Arbitrator or Vexor.

They are medium hulls which need medium rigs and aren't able to fit medium rep/booster or plates/shields ??? Bad joke !!

Also: if you feel the best solution to people's Hulks getting ganked is simply to publicize the existing MAPC-based buffer Hulk fittings, GO AHEAD! (I just think that most of the hisec population would turn their nose up at putting a MAPC on a ship that size.)

The real issue is the nature of High-Sec. War decs can be exploited out of. Fix it so they can't.

What do war decs have to do with hulks getting suicide ganked in high sec?

On a scale of 1 to down syndrome, how stupid do you feel?

Frankly I think they should remove mining barges from the game entirely. Mining is one of the worst examples of gameplay that I've seen in any game. And while they're at it, fix the S&I and POS UIs.

-Liang

Frankly I think they should remove mining barges from the game entirely. Mining is one of the worst examples of gameplay that I've seen in any game. And while they're at it, fix the S&I and POS UIs.

-Liang

That's a bulldozer, not mining equipment, though. The hulk is basically a cargo ship with special laser/tractor beam hybrids.

Most mining equipment would take even more punishment before breaking.