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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:14:00 -
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because camping a stargate is just so hard. so one slips away, people should have to hunt their kills anyway.
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Zaltor Kabalen
Amarr
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:17:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Zaltor Kabalen on 12/02/2007 14:15:10
Lolz.. Gatecamps.. Bubbles.. roffle.
I did that to a Cruel Intentions gatecamp yesterday.. well it was kinda on accident.. I logged right before I hit the gate. Then I thought.. what the hell.. logged back in and I was warping off in a different direction.. Ah.. I totally forgot about that trick.. Thank you Cruel Intentions...
Them gate campers chased me for about 2 hours.. it was kinda funny running them in circles around 4 systems in a geddon...
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Zaltor Kabalen
Amarr
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zaltor Kabalen on 12/02/2007 14:20:21
 Originally by: Zarthanon
Originally by: Sabian Treehugger
Edited by: Sabian Treehugger on 11/02/2007 16:16:58
the purpose of the bubble is to lockdown an entry in to a system because even if someone logs they still log in to the bubble and so u protect u'r system and less petitions to ccp for lag and ctd.
So they are not going to fix it because it works and because it was not implemented for easy ganks.
100% wrong. There is a way you can relog in some certain way as to not warp back. Just today one guy has done this three times. You can't probe him, because he warps away to another spot instantly. Then he warps again and he's gone. Next...
<waves> 
You guys gave me a hell of a day. My heart hasn't pounded that hard in months... 43% hull when that domi bumped me.. then I took the 40 jump detour. To hell with BWF.
Edit: I'd also like to say that I logged before my ship even came out of warp.. So I kinda knew you guys were there.. Couldn't stop my ship before I crapped my pants... But the exploit worked to my advantage that time. And for the record all I did was log out and log back in within like 30 seconds and it shot me in a different direction rather than back to the gate.. I guess that's how it works.
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Freaky Bare
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:22:00 -
[34]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
CCP.
This shouldn't need to be a request.
Sort this absolutely pathetic exploit of your game out, its an absolute joke that despite it being bought up numerous times, you have done nothing. You should be and feel embarrassed.
Add this to your top 10 fkin exploits to fix list.
I miss the old days when this was the biggest problem Eve faced! Back, I don't know - 3 weeks ago?? Seriously, I agree this is a problem. However, if they consider this to be their priority this week they do themselves and the playerbase a huge disservice.
Almost through the business day and STILL no comment from Kieron. Thank goodness. I was afraid recent events might be serious enough to work on.
I am not an Alt, I am ...really, really FUGLY! |
Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:29:00 -
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Quote:
To all the lamers out there that log off i have one thing to say, If you cant afford to lose a ship dont fly it!
on the other hand...
If you can't handle missing a kill....don't camp it.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:31:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Vladikov Orrico
Quote:
To all the lamers out there that log off i have one thing to say, If you cant afford to lose a ship dont fly it!
on the other hand...
If you can't handle missing a kill....don't camp it.
I think just for one day CCP needs to make all critical mission NPCs warp away for good at random intervals. See how the rest of the playerbase likes it.
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Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense |
Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:34:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Vladikov Orrico on 12/02/2007 14:31:59
I'd buy that for a dollar
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Lucio
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:43:00 -
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If they stop you being able to log off inside bubble traps, then I want a skill that gives me a chance to find out it's there in the first place! The main point of a gate camp should be to prevent travel via a stargate, not to score easy kills.
That said however, a relatively "simple" fix to the problem is to make the bubbles and spheres count as agression, giving the 15 minute timer in which to scan someone down.
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Wohoo! No more negative sec status. It's a shame it took me TWO YEARS of Carebearing to get rid of a lousy -1.2 |
Wotar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Wotar on 12/02/2007 15:22:53
lol @ those trying to justify logging off to save your ship.
Please, take a bath with your PC.
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:48:00 -
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And I say this is topic closed on this one...
Same ole, same ole arguement, nothing new, and a
nice suggestion of RL suicide to finish the thread off.
I say this a great way to end it. Cheers.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Heritor
cant you scan them down ?
You can. But whatever you do you got not more then 1 1/2 minutes to find _and_ kill them.
Nay, find and shoot them, then they have the 15 min aggro timer.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618 |
Wotar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:10:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vladikov Orrico
and a nice suggestion of RL suicide to finish the thread off.
I didnt say you had to turn it on! :P
Honestly - I wonder how many people condemned T20s actions but would condone logging off to save their ship - both are cheating...
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XandarTheCruel
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:16:00 -
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I wonder how long it'll take em for the nano-phoon / domi nerf...if after a year they still haven't found a way to prevent people from logging off when caught in Bubbles/camps...
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:16:00 -
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Funnest loggof i have seen to date was a goon punisher yesterday (i wont name him, you know who you was), had him locked , points , webbed and turrets were damaging him the min i came thru the gate (we jumped same time)dictor bubble was on other side to and boom he warped off. I lol'd and thought to pathetic to worry about. 20 mins later i find him again this time he died and all he had equiped was lousy ****y less then named t1 fittings  . A loggoff to save that ?
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Exlegion
New Light
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:18:00 -
[45]
I think it's hipocritical how the very same people that condemn metagaming tactics are the ones condoning other forms of metagaming tactics, only because one suits them better than the other does.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mecinia Lua
The problem with this is that there is no viable method of counteracting a warp bubble/warp disrupter probe. Thus because there is no way and their is little chance of escaping a warp bubble, you see many folks log off.
There are ways. I survived 40 man blob at gate with bubble in Arazu and Myrmidon. You can cloak, you can run to gate, you can run out of bubble or (if blob is small) you can kill them all.
If you are in a badger and jumped to 40 man fleet you are SUPPOSED TO DIE. You have just lost a game. And logging off in such situation is like throwing board in chess when checkmate is inevitable. It's just rude against other players who play with the rules.
If you want to survive gatecamps get better intel or hire escort. Logging off is cheating.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Vladikov Orrico
Quote:
To all the lamers out there that log off i have one thing to say, If you cant afford to lose a ship dont fly it!
on the other hand...
If you can't handle missing a kill....don't camp it.
I think just for one day CCP needs to make all critical mission NPCs warp away for good at random intervals. See how the rest of the playerbase likes it.
That is a brilliant Idea!
Half Assed Rhymage
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Zaltor Kabalen
Amarr
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:28:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Zaltor Kabalen on 12/02/2007 16:25:43
Originally by: Exlegion
I think it's hipocritical how the very same people that condemn metagaming tactics are the ones condoning other forms of metagaming tactics, only because one suits them better than the other does.
Amen.. If I wanna log of during gate camps... I will.. I'm not exploiting.. I just wanna log when I want to log off... to take a break.. eat some chicken..
If the Privateers wanna run and dock.. They can..
If people wanna cry about stuff.. They can.. I haven't been in EVE that long.. but people are saying this 'bug' has been around for years? CCP still hasn't fixed it? Whos fault is that really? The players for using something that's there...? I find it funny.. 90% of the people who complain probably do it to.. they're just too cool to admit it.. So just admit it people.. YOU DO IT TOO!
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Newton Mara
Deep Space Dragons
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:34:00 -
[49]
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You're flying your cruiser back to your base. You're loaded up with T2 gear and a cargo hold full of tech2 items that you have just traded half your ISK for. You'll make a killing when you get back to 0.0 space and your corp buddies.
You jump. Oh noes, gatecamp! Activate hardeners and your afterburner, GET BACK TO THE GATE. Almost there.
In range, JUMP. "Session Change in Progress". You're not jumping. JUMP. JUMPJUMPJUMPJUMP. "Session change in Progress".
Nonono, YOU CAN'T SHOOT ME, MY SEESION IS CHANGING, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo *pop*.
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Congratulations, you just lost a T2 fitted ship with a large haul of valuable goods. You can petition it and after a couple of months you might get the ship back along with the destroyed modules. But if any of your cargo survived, it's gone and you aren't getting it back. Even though it's not your fault (there's a poorly thought out system CCP, :shakefist:).
Your legitimate exit strategy from the bubble resulted in you getting blown up and you losing you stuff even though you 'actually made it'.
Tell you what, you fix that issue, and I'll agree about not logging off in a bubble.
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Cyrus Clarke
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:04:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
If only we were in BOB
Wouldn't do any good. I've seen BoD use the trick, they wouldn't want it fixed...
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Jamius
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:09:00 -
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Newton - daft example. Wait under your jump cloak for several secs and the session change message will expire before you get to the gate 
Just to add to the vote - logging for any reason is lame unless you are doing it to overcome another bug like none of your modules working or summit like that. I've never even logged against rats in L4 missions and have lost a few BS's because of it. It's cheating, plain and simple.
I can see why people do it - the threat of real loss (feels like it anyway) and all your hard work going to waste. Such is Eve tbh.
But it's still cheating. If you log, your a cheat, not a "lame" gate camper or noob killing pirate (which I am often) - your a cheat.
I liked the bubble activating the aggression timer so you can probe the gits out idea though.
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Newton Mara
Deep Space Dragons
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jamius
Edited by: Jamius on 12/02/2007 17:15:44
Newton - daft example. Wait under your jump cloak for several secs and the session change message will expire before you get to the gate
You see. It's not a daft example. Your solution to that is a workaround for a flawed system. Please use some sense rather than stroking your e-Honour and flaunting your willingness to throw away ships. I'm sure the rats really appreciate the fact you didn't ctrl-q.
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KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:54:00 -
[53]
Edited by: KIAHicks on 12/02/2007 17:52:26
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
because camping a stargate is just so hard. so one slips away, people should have to hunt their kills anyway.
It's not just a problem with gate camps. The following is just as possible:
One or two pilots jump into a system and scan down another, they manage to get a few shots off and scramblers fired but the other pilot either has stabs, or manages to ecm and break their locks long enough to warp off.
All good so far. Now that pilot and those involved have a 15 minute agression timer. So the cat and mouse games should begin.
The defensive pilot has a few options
1) Warp to a station and dock (if any local)
2) Warp to a pos (if any friendly local)
3) Keep running from planet to planet or safespot to safespot to avoid probes.
4) Leave system
It's number 4 that is where the problem begins.
Defender leaves the system, so his two attackers persue. What should follow is a game of cat and mouse. Will the defender make it enough jumps to reach a station, pos or manage to get far enough ahead to take an alternative stargate and lose his pursuers? Or will he be caught and a fight break out again?
What happens, he jumps, agression timer resets, he logs. 
I can remember many a fight I've been in where variations on the above cat and mouse games have taken place. I've been on both sides of it and in both cases had fun. Yet now people jump and log. Not everyone by anymeans, but enough to make it very frustrating.
This form of logging off does not just affect those who gate camp, but those who want to roam as well.
Any agressive action should set a 15 minute timer. Nothing should reset that. Get to a pos, station, or run/rotate safes until it expires. Jumping and logging should not be an option.
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Exlegion
Edited by: Exlegion on 12/02/2007 16:24:37
I think it's hipocritical how some of the people condemning metagaming tactics are the same ones condoning other forms of metagaming tactics, only because one suits them better than the other does.
Is this aimed at KIA?
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Fuzzydice
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:10:00 -
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To all the people complaining "we don't have a counter to bubbles so we log", think about where this is going already. It's not just about some people trying to get cheap kills out of some poor spacefarers who are trying to make a living in 0.0.
It's actually affecting alliance level warfare as I've seen gangs of even 20-30 combat ships "mysteriously" lose their connection when they've jumped right into a properly placed interdictor bubble and strangely manage to log back in all at the same time. I won't go into naming and shaming, those people know who they are and it's their choice to use that kind of "tactics".
In my mind this kind of "tactics" are taking the game down the drain if and when they start to get even more wide-spread unless something is done to fix it. |
prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:12:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hamfast
That I can't drive a big enough ship, with all the hardeners and weapons to be able to survive this IS AS MUCH OF AN EXPLOIT as anything else in the game.
Those folks that log are so lame, almost as lame as the gate campers...
I know, CCP needs to add random spawning (at jump gates) ships that the gate camper's can blast away at... perhaps some should even be able to shoot back... but only 1 shot, don't want the PKers (not pvp, that implies there is a fight between players) to get hurt...
Fix it CCP, make the logging off cost as much as the gate camping...
You, sir, are a buffoon. Especially if you can't fit a ship to survive gatecamps.
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Exlegion
New Light
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Exlegion
Edited by: Exlegion on 12/02/2007 16:24:37
I think it's hipocritical how some of the people condemning metagaming tactics are the same ones condoning other forms of metagaming tactics, only because one suits them better than the other does.
Is this aimed at KIA?
No, not referring to you or KIA specifically. Logging off is as fundamentally wrong as is using alt scouts, since they suffer little to no consequence for their actions. What I am saying is that encouraging the use of scouts to circumvent a flawed mechanic isn't a solution to the problem itself. I think it's clear we all agree that logging off is wrong. I don't think many are clear on WHY it is wrong. Hint: It isn't because it's LAME!!1! .
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Brixer
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:37:00 -
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There is one way to get out alive from a bubble camp. I've done it quite a few times and all you need is some travel setup.
MWD, Nanos, internia stabs and warp core stabs. Fit ECM/web in mid. proto cloak in high.
1. When you see that pesky lone ranger in a system you can get wary and plan what to do if you find yourself in a bubble after next gate.
2. You jump and find youself in a large bubble. ****!!
3. Try figuring out how many they are/ship types, you might be able to kill 'em.
4. Nope, They even got a ceptor there.. out of luck ?
5. Nope, set focus on gate, hit mwd and approach botton. When you get back on the gate stay there until all have agro. Jump though.
6. If not all are agroing and you can't tank those shooting at you, jump anyway. The ceptor probably got agro and won't be able to jump.
So there is a way. But you can't expect to get a hauler through those gate camps.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Hamfast
That I can't drive a big enough ship, with all the hardeners and weapons to be able to survive this IS AS MUCH OF AN EXPLOIT as anything else in the game.
Those folks that log are so lame, almost as lame as the gate campers...
I know, CCP needs to add random spawning (at jump gates) ships that the gate camper's can blast away at... perhaps some should even be able to shoot back... but only 1 shot, don't want the PKers (not pvp, that implies there is a fight between players) to get hurt...
Fix it CCP, make the logging off cost as much as the gate camping...
You, sir, are a buffoon. Especially if you can't fit a ship to survive gatecamps.
You missed some of my statement... but that is ok, you would not have understood the sarcasm in any case...
The statement "IS AS MUCH OF AN EXPLOIT as anything else in the game" can be used to describe anything... it does not mean that the ability is an exploit, just that it is as much of an exploit as anything else in the game... ok, other then say finding a few brand new t-2 BPO's in your hanger... I added the comment you hit on (about being able to outfit a ship to survive) because that I can't (even if I can) is no less an exploit as logging off currently is... bad form and lame, yes, but it is a function of the game... if it's an exploit, report the person and see if the GM bans them... to be able to ôdrive a big enough ship, with all the hardeners and weapons to be able to surviveö simply takes training, knowledge and the items, itÆs not an exploit to not be able to, just a lack of the training, knowledge and itemsà do you understand now?
Sorry if you were unable to understand the point I was trying to make.
Noob in training...
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.12 19:02:00 -
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This thread is ridiculous.
Theres no answer here but to agree completely.
To people who think it should be like this, why not just make it so when u quit, you disappear from the game immediately all the time. It would instantly end eve.
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