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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.12 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 12/02/2007 18:59:50
Double post.
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.02.12 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vladikov Orrico on 12/02/2007 20:32:36
Edited by: Vladikov Orrico on 12/02/2007 20:32:16
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In my mind this kind of "tactics" are taking the game down the drain if and when they start to get even more wide-spread unless something is done to fix it.
I consider using an alt in an enemy corp to disrupt their teamspeak channel with music (etc) to disrupt their communication to be of the same kind of "tactics".
I consider using an alt over the space of months or years and robbing them blind when enough trust is given, to be of the same kind of "tactics".
It seems to be kill or be killed, screw the other guy before he can screw you, and have a nice day is the theme for EVE - according to some people who keep on replying "it's eve noob learn to suck it up".
So really there is no reason to whine about anything on the game. It's a free for all orgy of crime and depravity, and I guess that's how it's gonna stay.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Brucette
The fix to 99% of all bubble-logoffs would be to have "System contains Warp Disruption Effects" visible on the starmap.
No, because logging off still gets you into the system safely.
Until the faulty logoff mechanics are fixed, people will continue to take advantage of them. Regardless of what tools they already have, or are given.
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Skeeta Mar
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:43:00 -
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Common sense isn't that common. This thread is starting to prove the idiom.
Until you have a system for which you can fairly escape a gatecamp without the Eve server/client interrupting you (i.e. burn back o gate and jump out) then you can't expect a warp-disrupt probe to be a "win eve" button.
And for the record, if the devs really wanted to determine when someone ctrl-q's, they most certainly could and it isn't a lot of code to do so.
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:49:00 -
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Naturally logging out is not meant to be "get out of jail free card". I'm looking into it and a fix should be coming soon.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
Naturally logging out is not meant to be "get out of jail free card". I'm looking into it and a fix should be coming soon.
A fix is good, one caution though.
If you make people sit still in warpbubbles when they disconnect/logoff, it becomes much more attractive for the camping fleet to cause as much lag as possible without crashing the node.
Cause enough lag, and jumping in people will disconnect and be sitting ducks. So if you change it, you will encourage defending fleets to sit there with 'all drones out' for example.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Skeeta Mar
And for the record, if the devs really wanted to determine when someone ctrl-q's, they most certainly could and it isn't a lot of code to do so.
Yes, they could get the client to report when it's closed due to ctrl-q.
But they cannot detect when you simulate a CTD or loss of connection by:
Clicking the "stop internet" button in your firewall
Pulling out your network/modem cable
Killing the eve process manually
Pulling out your PC power cable
All of which have exactly the same effect as ctrl-q as far as the server is concerned, and are so quick and simple anyone can do it.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: Skeeta Mar
And for the record, if the devs really wanted to determine when someone ctrl-q's, they most certainly could and it isn't a lot of code to do so.
Yes, they could get the client to report when it's closed due to ctrl-q.
But they cannot detect when you simulate a CTD or loss of connection by:
Clicking the "stop internet" button in your firewall
Pulling out your network/modem cable
Killing the eve process manually
Pulling out your PC power cable
All of which have exactly the same effect as ctrl-q as far as the server is concerned, and are so quick and simple anyone can do it.
Exactly.
Senior Producer
EVE Online
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:10:00 -
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We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
And it will only work once 
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Oveur
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
And it will only work once
Oh, but what a glorious once it would be.
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EVE Online
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Biltic Creen
Minmatar
Deutsche Minen und Werke
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:15:00 -
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That one time would be so worth it 
This post is not my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single player ! |
Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:21:00 -
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But wait a sec all you guys! The developers PLAY the game! They know our hopes, fears, frustrations, and joys! Surely they've been working NON-STOP to get this fixed instead of running around pew-pewing at other people in the game!
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Akoudoulos on 13/02/2007 09:24:46
Its hard to make this work without side effects, discs and ctd after jumping is bad enough and not fair,
Make jumping have an agression timer(while cloaked), when you jump you get 10 mins on a easy to find safe, so you are forced to log back in or being probed, but if you manually warp and then ctrl+q no timer
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:35:00 -
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if youre going to fix it so u dont warp off out of dictor bubbles give us a 30-50% chance module of avoiding the darn things or breaking out of em
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
I'm liking that idea.
P.S - We are still awaiting an ammar blog Tux
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933
if youre going to fix it so u dont warp off out of dictor bubbles give us a 30-50% chance module of avoiding the darn things or breaking out of em
You have a chance even today, if you are in a frig, zoooooooom to the gate an jump where you came from, if you are in a cruiser, you can take your chances or head back with mwd, if you in a BS, then i am sorry in that case you better use a scout,
Battleships are not for solo travelling through no sec space
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
Naturally logging out is not meant to be "get out of jail free card". I'm looking into it and a fix should be coming soon.
Thank you.
Is it soon or soonÖ by the way?
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Neslo
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
And it will only work once
I've got 10 isk saying that it happens more than once in the community... and given some people's ADD in this game.... more than once by the same person.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:47:00 -
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interesting times ahead anyway - no we need a ECM type bomb that has a small chance of disrupting bubbles
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Xordus
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:21:00 -
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I agree this is somewhat delicate since people can and do ctd or lose connection. The point is not what should happen to said person, they warp out as they do now. The point is what should happen to said person inside a bubble. If they are in a bubble it's by their own doing and they should pay the consequences, ctd or not.
I think there should be a logout timer in the game to begin with but that's a different subject, just fix this bubble glitch/exploit/bullsh*t.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:23:00 -
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inside bubble ctd or log out u stay in bubble after 90 seconds u uncloak and kaboom
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Chardonay
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:40:00 -
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Ask SirMolle to file a petition, should be fixed by about... Friday.
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Digioso
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chardonay
Ask SirMolle to file a petition, should be fixed by about... Friday.
I spilled my drink
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:23:00 -
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Can you have it when ppl click "x" or ctrl+q, that it just evulates it's surroundings.
Am in a bubble, am I scrambled, if so the ship doesn't go anywhere.
Getting a dissconnect, is diffrent as the packets timeout, if this is true, the ship warps out.
Nothing stoping people from pulling the network cable out the back of thier pc, or doing the "log on a alt from the same account trick".
Maarud.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Neslo
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
And it will only work once
I've got 10 isk saying that it happens more than once in the community... and given some people's ADD in this game.... more than once by the same person.
Of course, but it won't happen to you, will it? Since telling noone in Devspeak means telling noone except for......
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Tar om
Minmatar
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chardonay
Ask SirMolle to file a petition, should be fixed by about... Friday.
hahha priceless :)
My view is that CTD/Disco should not matter. I know its a tough line to take but if you CTD or disco then it should just be tough luck. If you have a crappy connection or EVE install - fix it. This rule would be fair for all and would eliminate exploits.
If you leave the game, your ship floats in space for 5 minutes if not aggro'd or 15 minutes if aggro'd. No exceptions, no favoritism.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Newton Mara
Originally by: Jamius
Edited by: Jamius on 12/02/2007 17:15:44
Newton - daft example. Wait under your jump cloak for several secs and the session change message will expire before you get to the gate
You see. It's not a daft example. Your solution to that is a workaround for a flawed system. Please use some sense rather than stroking your e-Honour and flaunting your willingness to throw away ships. I'm sure the rats really appreciate the fact you didn't ctrl-q.
Please use some sense you say? In a statement from you filled with a lack of it when I used a simple common sense approach to negate the whole point of the example you used.Wow! I hope you see the irony in your statement.
In fact I want to shred every single point you just made in that ludicrous statement.
Sorry, not adding to topic here am I. OK, to focus on the last statement from my learned friend.
"I'm sure the rats really appreciate the fact you didn't ctrl-q"
This kind of hits the nail on the head for me to the problem here - logging is cheating. No matter where or when or against what.
I do apologise for following the rules rather than look for ways to exploit them?
If something is actually put in place to negate the logging problem as was mentioned, then it may be you who is throwing ships away my friend as I'll at least know how to not lose them without exploiting the rules :)
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933
if youre going to fix it so u dont warp off out of dictor bubbles give us a 30-50% chance module of avoiding the darn things or breaking out of em
You have 100% chance if you bother to gather some basic intel.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.02.13 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
We could map ctrl-q to "eject from ship without confirmation" and just not tell anyone about it,... but frankly I think its too evil, even for me
This would deliver 
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