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Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:08:00 - [1] my mates came visiting to check my new uber game: EVE online. they were in awe and within 5 mnts they'd all left and gone to theirs to get a trial account. next day i got a couple of calls from 2 of my buddies. they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor. in essence what they actually said to me was: "man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future". i couldnt really confirm as all my chars are caucasians. but when i suggested that they chill and address the issue on the forum they told me to stuff that idiotic game where (i'll censure this myself ) after this even my white buddies decided not to join.... can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar?
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:11:00 - [2] Additionally they were and continue to be slaves to a weird religious fanatical race who have a curious obsession with space based laser systems. The Amarrians. Any other parallels to draw?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:11:00 - [3] Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:12:00 - [4] What about lando calressian or whatever his name is. Or uhura the comms woman. Or Tuvok. Or starbucks mate. My speeeling is my own and dos not represant the Privateer Corporation or Privateer alliance who incidentally are recruting pilots and corporations - Evemail me for details
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:12:00 - [5] Not that I know of, but I think someone has a chip on their shoulder and too much pent-up aggression that really needs a healthy outlet. I couldn't make my character bald, but am not about to bang on about age discrimination. I mean really, some people...
Jernau Gurgeh Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:13:00 - [6] Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 12/02/2007 14:09:58 Refusing to play a game on the grounds that your character can't have a particular skin colour smacks of racism to me. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Jon Hawkes I couldn't make my character bald, but am not about to bang on about age discrimination. I mean really, some people... I wanted to be bald too /me/ waits for 'I want cat ears' post......
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jon Hawkes I couldn't make my character bald, but am not about to bang on about age discrimination. I mean really, some people... I wanted to be bald too /me/ waits for 'I want cat ears' post...... You had to go and say it didn't you?!! /hides from the furries.
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:19:00 - [9] I couldn't put a beard on my chars rather manly chin. Outrageous! I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:19:00 - [10] Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can play with the skin shader in character creation to get a black-ish char with pretty much all of the races. I know I've seen quite a few dark-skinned Khanids. Anyways, IBTL Originally by: Glenntwo You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories Half the French football team is not white for a start.....!
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories doh black will fall in any of those categorys /me hands ticket to some countrys and wait till ds will see what means no black there
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:24:00 - [13] All I'm going to say is that I highly doubt that CCP are racist.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories I want to be a Jove! And one day I will become one! It will require a certain ammount of pain ofcource since genetic reengineering aint the most easy thing in the world. But hey. its worth it! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
LeviUK hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:29:00 - [15] I wanted to be an elf -
Capt Kees Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:30:00 - [16] In the future there will be no Black or White races i think.. If i look in my own country, more and more people of mixed races are born (what is good i think) and maybe in the far future, All races have mixed so much, human race only have one race, The Human race (wishfull thinking) where we are all the same.. Allthough like someone said before : Galente , Europian - Due their liberal views Amarr , Arabian - due their Religion combined with the State Caldari , American - Due the Imperiallistic and Militairistic views Minmatar , ... - I have no idear where they based on, but i dont seethem as Black People . TBH for me, EVE is Real Life Raceless, and we are all the same.. But then, Quote: "man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future". i couldnt really confirm as all my chars are caucasians. but when i suggested that they chill and address the issue on the forum they told me to stuff that idiotic game where (i'll censure this myself Embarassed) Reacting as this to the "lack" of skin color is imho more wrong as not thinking of races in EVE.. There are more (ALOT MORE) games that has this "issue" its not EVE solely.. Often lack of Skincolors is preventing a racial issue in a game, and imho should also be left outside a game at all. Online we are all the same (digital figures) and no need to bring in Real Life issues in games, placing all kind of Real Life races in a game, can only lead to more Discrimination as to leaving those out.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Dark Shikari Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories Try wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_department
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:35:00 - [18] i wanted to be made out of rock - you don't see me complaining ---------------------- FTEK \| Production ~ Research ~ Sales ~ Election Fixing
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Kehmor on 12/02/2007 14:34:21 I'm sorry what is the arguement here? The only way to make a black character is to make a black character. Or are they complaining that not every character in eve is black? It seems to me pretty likely that so many thousand years in the future with cultures being isolated there would be very little difference in colour within a culture. Therefore having one black race makes perfect sense to me. Call your friend's whiney *****es from me, and if they wana call me racist they can go right ahead. edit: uh i think i should clarify the blanked out word begins with a b and is in no way race affiliated
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Dee Vour my mates came visiting to check my new uber game: EVE online. they were in awe and within 5 mnts they'd all left and gone to theirs to get a trial account. next day i got a couple of calls from 2 of my buddies. they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor. in essence what they actually said to me was: "man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future". i couldnt really confirm as all my chars are caucasians. but when i suggested that they chill and address the issue on the forum they told me to stuff that idiotic game where (i'll censure this myself ) after this even my white buddies decided not to join.... can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar? Think you need to experiment more in char creation you can change skin tone facial features and all sorts. To see what im talking about have a look at backdoor Bandits pic. He is not a black char but it'll give an idea what i'm talking about. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:47:00 - [21] Because the black race includes "brut", which is OBVIOUSLY shorthand for "brute" your friend won't play it? Get real. Racism goes both ways. I thought that the whole deal with the black liberal movement, and all that "I have a dream" stuff was to make people stop thinking in terms of race and start thinking in terms of people? There are black people in EvE. They are admittedly a minority, but if this game had a perfect mix of 33% white bloodlines, 33% black and 33% asian, it would be a load of politically correct bull***. And in case your friend didn't notice, the only black bloodline in the game has quite possibly the best stats for combat* (which is by far, the most common activity in EvE), and due to this, very common, and arguably one of the better bloodlines to choose. OMG CCP IS A BLACK SUPREMASIST RACIST CORPORATION!1!!11 Sigs are for noobs.
Mog Carns Gallente Industrial Warlords United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:47:00 - [22] Uh... don't all those shows feature blacks (and a large colection of other peoples) prominently? In fact, did not all of these shows recieve both accolades and criticism for doing so long before it was considered socially acceptable? As for the actual body of the message... I have heard of increadibly stupid things in my life. I was quite sure some of them would never be topped in their category. Until this. For the majority of my eight year old MMO life, my skin color has been green. I was not aware this should be a problem for me. Nor do I currently have or have any plans to add metallic blue lines to my face. I do not plan to enter a gooey pod, create a clone of myself, or participate in intergallactic warfare. Clueless Noob
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 12/02/2007 14:39:11 Edited by: Kehmor on 12/02/2007 14:34:21 I'm sorry what is the arguement here? The only way to make a black character is to make a black character. Or are they complaining that not every character in eve is black? It seems to me pretty likely that so many thousand years in the future with cultures being isolated there would be very little difference in colour within a culture. Therefore having one black race makes perfect sense to me. Call your friend's whiney *****es from me, and if they wana call me racist because of it they can go right ahead. This isn't an attack on their skin colour its an attack on their pathetic complaint. Did your friends not play with lego as children because there weren't enough black ones? There are games and TV shows and comics and just about everything which is much worse than eve for this. edit: uh i think i should clarify the blanked out word begins with a b and is in no way race affiliated I believe their problem is that the only black character is a "brutor". They are implying that because the only black character is a "brutor", CCP believes that all black people are "brutes", or stupid.
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:50:00 - [24] Edited by: Krulla on 12/02/2007 14:50:55 Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 12/02/2007 14:39:11 Edited by: Kehmor on 12/02/2007 14:34:21 I'm sorry what is the arguement here? The only way to make a black character is to make a black character. Or are they complaining that not every character in eve is black? It seems to me pretty likely that so many thousand years in the future with cultures being isolated there would be very little difference in colour within a culture. Therefore having one black race makes perfect sense to me. Call your friend's whiney *****es from me, and if they wana call me racist because of it they can go right ahead. This isn't an attack on their skin colour its an attack on their pathetic complaint. Did your friends not play with lego as children because there weren't enough black ones? There are games and TV shows and comics and just about everything which is much worse than eve for this. edit: uh i think i should clarify the blanked out word begins with a b and is in no way race affiliated I believe their problem is that the only black character is a "brutor". They are implying that because the only black character is a "brutor", CCP believes that all black people are "brutes", or stupid. Incidentally, the black bloodline (the only really black bloodline, a lot of other bloodlines, including intaki, can have very dark skin, and a great deal of the bloodlines look mixed, including gallente, sebiestor, vherokior, etc) has near perfect stats for a combat oriented character, and thus are one of the best and most popular bloodlines to choose? OMG CCP IS A BLACK SUPREMASIST RACIST CORP!1!11!111 Again, a great deal of the bloodlines look mixed - Gallente, for one, Intaki can have very dark skin (the females especially for some reason), the Vherokior, Khanid can have very dark skin - I think that this is just a realistic outlook, if anything. 300 thousand years in the future, most of humanity will proabably be a sort of brownish colour, since by then we've mixed sufficently to remove most traces of a "racial" difference. This is already happening in most western countries, if you take a walk down the streets of a french city, you'll see a great deal of black people, and a great deal of white people, but also a LOT of mixed people - which is a great thing in my opinion. Really, the OPs friend needs to loosen up a bit. Five or so generations from now, in real life there will be few black or white people, and a great deal of just people. Racism will be a thing of the past in a few hundred years, because there will be no such thing as race. Sigs are for noobs.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:52:00 - [25] "I couldn't put a beard on my chars rather manly chin. Outrageous!" I hear on the upside though the Amarr are naturally gifted with mustache a la Ron Jeremy. That's why they tend to be so fond of these long hoods :s
Wotar	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:53:00 - [26] sad
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:53:00 - [27] Edited by: deathforge on 12/02/2007 14:51:01 Originally by: Jon Hawkes I couldn't make my character bald, but am not about to bang on about age discrimination. I mean really, some people... <- bald, read it and weep. I'm also the only minmatar in the history of eve that doesn't appear to be suffering a variety of severe illnesses and skin disorders. And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Dei Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Dei on 12/02/2007 14:52:09 I guess the "Dark" Amarr are just a figment of everyones imagination then, eh? I'm pretty sure you can make coloured skins for all races except Caldari. At least you can with the males, not so sure on the female avatars. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:02:00 - [29] OMG!!! People are way too sensitive... people need to sit back and look at this from a different perspective... ITS A GAME!!!!!! If you want to go crazy you can say there are no mexicans. But does it matter? NO. It's game, in the future, besides the idea that the amarr inslaved them, look at the idea taking place in america today; Races are migling and turning into one. It's the new premise of the melting pot, that one day there will be no races but that someday it will be one combined race. Tell your friends to take a chill pill, look at the game for what it is: a game. Not as a racial issue. Are these the same type of people that get mad when something isnt politically correct, or when a tv show is missing one race? Many, MANY kids today (me for one) dont see race, it's a idea that is blown way out of proportion, only one's self can let the idea of this game show racism. It was not designed that way, even unintentionally. -Bryg http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
XerZex Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:05:00 - [30] psh, at least u guys got eye balls :P haha
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:07:00 - [31] lol ppl make the world go round i guess. and it takes all sorts... no these guys dont have anger issues or talk like in US ghettos like a couple of you seem to suggest. matter of fact they all go to UNI, are composed and articulate. as for mentionning Lt Ohara in Star Trek, Lando Carlisian in Star Wars... i daresay these were very isolated characters amongst the multitude of others... but that's not the point of my post. i wanted to know if there are real dark skin black guys in other races like there are caucasians looking caucasians or far east people looking like far east people. and it seems quite clear that your answers say that there arent. thanks for your time guys, i'll pass on your comments to my buddies; i'm sure that'll bring a smile or 2 on.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:08:00 - [32] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Dark Shikari Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories doh black will fall in any of those categorys /me hands ticket to some countrys and wait till ds will see what means no black there I'm referring to races, not nationalities. Just like there are no black anglo-saxons, there are no blacks whose entire lineage is based in France; obviously they'd have to be partially African, South Asian, or from another country relatively close to the equator. -[23] Member- EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:11:00 - [33] Edited by: Samuel Freedom on 12/02/2007 15:09:42 Originally by: Capt Kees In the future there will be no Black or White races i think.. If i look in my own country, more and more people of mixed races are born (what is good i think) and maybe in the far future, All races have mixed so much, human race only have one race, The Human race (wishfull thinking) where we are all the same.. P.S. I think your friends are just looking racism and finding it, even when its not there and yes you can change your skin tone and morph your features so imo it allows for mixed races or w/e. Oh great all our decendants will look, act be the same - how boring and sad. This will never happen because there will always be people of every race who 'prefer there own' and tbh there nothing wrong in that! and before you say it im no bigot, facist, racist ect. And if we do get into space irl like you can bet your bottom $ certain ethnic groups will colonise diff planets asteriods ect on there own. Diversity = very good. I am white and have very good/close black and asian friends some of them would never dream of sleeping with white people(and vics versa) it isnt racist its a preference.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:12:00 - [34] Yea its about actual bloodlines not from what street you live at. Its like 2 white parents having a black baby, it just doesnt happen... under normal circumstances...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:14:00 - [35] They would have lasted about a week anyway. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Tanis Kvanz	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:21:00 - [36] Pretty much tanned myself and this is a 2 year old char, then new creation is far more extensive. I'd say your friends pretty much annoyed by something and are venting on a videogame. I'm trully conserned about the lack of white faces on mtv, fast to the batmobile.
Keopa Caldari The Tierijev Compact Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:23:00 - [37] I dont know that you can make a black caldari. I tried to make mine tan as possible without looking burnt, also played around with the lighting and background to get the effect. I kinda figure there would be more tan people in the future, but of course that would depend on what kind of planets we end up on ;) Maybe you could have told your friends to join Ushra Khan and fight for equality. On a side note, does anyone know how to make a half black, half korean character?
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Dread Phantom on 12/02/2007 15:21:13 waahh I want to be a black anglo-saxon
Zirth Caldari The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:26:00 - [39] F.I.C.T.I.O.N G.A.M.E I can somewhat understand, but people let skincolor take over their lives. That's just stupid. I wouldn't really care if I had a female charachter while being male. A purple one, a !, or a charachter with the words 'i r nub' written on my forehead. The portraits barely add anything to the game, and do not change gameplay whatsoever, apart from some 12 year olds giving isk to female portraits to get cyber-sex, or the few roleplayers. -.-
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:27:00 - [40] Wow. My character doesn't look at all like my RL pic. Does that mean I should petition, and complain on the forums? I can't get any of the images to look anything like me - should I complain about the lousy artwork? Sheesh!
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:29:00 - [41] To be honest, if your friends are like that...they would have quit the first time they got podded in a .8 "safe" sector. Eve isn't a game for people who get their feelings hurt easily. Merc Blog
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:36:00 - [42] i wanted a quad amputee purple char i'm quiting who wants my stuff
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:37:00 - [43] Edited by: Splagada on 12/02/2007 15:33:26 lol, i mean lol... you're joking, right? :p personally i wanted an octopus. cant have that. i sue ------
Sirob Gallente Zerglings	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:48:00 - [44] Talk about a major case of racial OVERsensitivity. The only racist people I see here are you and your friends. If it dosnt matter what color your skin is, why the hell are you getting worked up over the skin colors in a game? YOU are the racist ones, not us, and not the developers of EVE. You are blinded by your own "supposed" intelligence and sense of ethics. You've become a reverse version of the monster you seek to destroy. --- For the swarm!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:48:00 - [45] The people that look actively for any race, raise the issue of any race issue in a game, is by definition the racist one! Non racist people will not even notice this issue! If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:55:00 - [46] Edited by: deathforge on 12/02/2007 15:51:15 Originally by: Eskalin i wanted a quad amputee purple char i'm quiting who wants my stuff Send it this way. And then dev me up some bpo's. (sorry, had to do it, please dont ban me) And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:00:00 - [47] Originally by: deathforge Edited by: deathforge on 12/02/2007 15:51:15 Originally by: Eskalin i wanted a quad amputee purple char i'm quiting who wants my stuff Send it this way. And then dev me up some bpo's. (sorry, had to do it, please dont ban me) lol i'm loging in to my bob client now your so geting banned, as far as my stuff evolution is a comunist corp so i dont actualy own anything
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Eskalin Originally by: deathforge Edited by: deathforge on 12/02/2007 15:51:15 Originally by: Eskalin i wanted a quad amputee purple char i'm quiting who wants my stuff Send it this way. And then dev me up some bpo's. (sorry, had to do it, please dont ban me) lol i'm loging in to my bob client now your so geting banned, as far as my stuff evolution is a comunist corp so i dont actualy own anything aw :( And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Low skillpoint Rifter piracy video
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:03:00 - [49] Originally by: Dee Vour "man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future". Have you ever seen black snowman? I think it has to have something with racism.
Stogee Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:05:00 - [50] For some reason im sitting here wondering what kind of replies a person would get if they posted a topic that they cant play a white minmater character? Tell your friends to stop being so bloody petty. Eve is a great game and in all honesty, your character portrait isnt really that important to the game. People will take note of your name or ship more than your what skin colour your portrait has.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:07:00 - [51] Only a very few races survived the collapse of the eve-gate. It just happened that out of them, only one race turned out to have black skin. Why is that surprising? If you leave a mixed population isolated on a planet for thousands of years, the diversity of physical appearences on that planet will decrease. Because from my understanding, Eve planets don't have anywhere near the environmental diversity of Earth. This is why portraits of characters from the same sub-race (Sebiestor/Brutor, Deteis/Civire, etc) tend to have similar characteristics. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Dee Vour as for mentionning Lt Ohara in Star Trek, Lando Carlisian in Star Wars... i daresay these were very isolated characters amongst the multitude of others... Actually Star Trek:TOS was known for its inclusion of other races in the show at a time when that really was not done. They intentionally depicted a future universe where race and sex did not matter. IIRC Captain Kirk kissing Lt. Uhura in one of the episodes was the first time a white person kissing a black person ever occurred on television (and it generated the largest viewer response the show ever had). Further incarnations of Star Trek continued this (the captain of Deep Space Nine was black, the captain of Voyager was a woman, in one of the movies you see Lt. Sulu as a captain of his own ship, etc.). Your friends' issues in this case are nothing more than political correctness run amok. They are confusing race with nationality. A black Caldari person would trace their ancestry back to the Minmatar race just as an African American can trace their ancetry back to somewhere in Africa. In EVE if you want to be a black person (Minmatar) who lives in Caldari space, flies Caldari ships, runs Caldari missions, gains standing with Caldari and fight Minmatar they can. Does not matter that you started as a Minmatar...pick your nationality as you like and blam...black Caldari person of Minmatar descent. In EVE the backstory tracks somewhat like earth history. The Minmatars are being persecuted and enslaved by the Amarr. The Brutor tribe in particular takes the fight back to their oppressors. I never read "Brutor" as brutes but rather as a name taken to indicate they intend to do some ass kicking and that is what they do well. They are not a poor, neglected race in the game. They are a popular choice with excellent ships and they have some of the best RP opportunity in the game by virtue of their backstory. When faction warfare comes in they will be at the head of the line to have it it I'd think. Bottom line your friends' need to get a grip and chillout a bit.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Eskalin i wanted a quad amputee purple char i'm quiting who wants my stuff We will get your stuff anyway.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:14:00 - [54]
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:14:00 - [55] OH OH OH, can I have your civilian stuff? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618
Shinji Seto Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:19:00 - [56] Oh Noes!!!111!!eleventyone!!!! I'm a taco eating mexican and my avatar is a spikey haired asian call the ACLU!! "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide.
Xurx Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:21:00 - [57] They have never seen a black person in Iceland, so you can't really blame em
Iesha Macabre	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:23:00 - [58] I think what he's getting at, is the bloodline described as 'swarthy' is called 'brutor' which sounds a bit like 'brute.' I don't remember what the description is of the brutor tribe, but I think it's implied that they're combat based, brawn over brains...might be put a bit more subtley now Which is stereotyping, but, the way to overturn that stereotype could be to make a brutor and spec them in intellegence In general, I think that response is a bit over sensitive, considering the other bloodlines are equally stereotyped...but that doesn't mean you have to play your character in the way described in the description. I think it's probably more helpful to think of it as an alternate future rather than drawing too many parallels to real life.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:24:00 - [59] Originally by: Dark Shikari Amarr are middle-eastern. Caldari are scandinavian/Japanese. Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories I always thought abt Amarr as medieval-europe style race, not middle east :S
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:32:00 - [60] If what drove them away, was the fact you can't be black...good riddance. This is a game based on fictional races, with fictional backgrounds, with fictional science, in a fictional galaxy...has nothing to do with real life. Dee Vour, don't let the door hit in the arse on your way out. I am by no means a racist at all. I have several friends of various skin colors, even one of them whos black, who plays this game. What he cares about is the game, unlike you whos looking for racism where there isnt any. Go away please...you're more racist then any of us. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Dreck Morrison Amarr No Quarter.	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:50:00 - [61] To the OP: I am certain that CCP can fix the whole color issue by adding one more darker shade to each race on character creation. Suggesting it in a constructive manner in the appropiate forum like future proposed settings, etc, or a email/letter to CCP might prove more beneficial. But what would you propose rather than whining? Would you want to have CCP map actual web cam pictures onto your charachters so that we have a true representation of race and gender in our characters of those playing the game. That doesn't sound much like a massive online role playing game to me. BTW CCP fixing skin tone issues by adding a darker shade for you to be "more" black - how does that improve game play and interaction in the game? I doubt CCP can fix ugly.....(thoughts and behaviors of you and your friends is what I am thinking). Too bad you can't get past the character creation screen to actually find out it is a great game. Dreck Morrison
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:59:00 - [62] Bleh, it's them missing out tbh. Resistance is Fertile.
Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Dee Vour they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor So of course you told them that many centuries ago in the Eve universe civilization collapsed everywhere and no knowledge remains of humanity's origins. So they can't be black brothers, white racists or any kind of guy that knows anything about Earth. Eve being a distopian universe has instead a whole new set of prejudices for characters to acquire. Plus, you told them that if they read the forums they would have found that character appearance is of no interest at all to players. A player who wanted her character to 'look like her' would be regarded as, um, odd. I take their point though. If their racial identity is important enough for them not to be able to tolerate the lack of interest of others in it, then Eve is not for them. I assume they hadn't found out about slavery in Eve? --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce since 2004
UPA Terf Scorn.	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:17:00 - [64] truth be told the EvE story itself presents a passable explantion as to why the races of characters is as it is.. also all of the other races in EvE (which is a clue in itself) are from differing backgrounds so i dont see why not have the minmatar as freedom fighters... one of the races had to be to be honest gives them an interesting story and so what if they happen to be black. Its a GAME mate its one of those things over PC caucasians care about.. im just weighing in with my opinion www.myspace.com/upaterf ------------------------------ *~~Scorn~~*
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:19:00 - [65] i can see a lot of violently ridden emotions in this thread. seems it is some of you who should have a chill pill. now me and my mates are reading and having a good chuckle at how hypocritical some of you are. yep, we're all sitting here; 2 black guys, 3 white, 1 japanese (yes a japanese!) you say this game is based on a fictional evolution of the human race... bawllz it's based on this RL world template, simple. be as sarcastic and pretend as you want, you can't deny the obvious. but what disturbs me the most is the fact that you're acting like the very bigots you condemn. why shouldnt someone decide to put in their char what they want? and play the game with their own motives? does that make them bad? racist? and you a goodie because you dont care what your's looks like? i for myself understand my mates view point and think it's fair the description of the Brutor not only lacks subtlety, it's also a big old stereotype. i also agree with them there are no descriptions of black "thinkers" in the game like the intaki or other races. wont even elaborate on the changing the light background thang (...) and because i am human i can see this can be a valid issue and wont dismiss their concern. i reckon this world would be a better place if all standards were applied equally to all. imho this game could've been such model. so dont go out all guns blazing like fools arguing that because the majority of you think one way all do ps. btw we're all sci-fi freaks here, we know the history of Star Trek and the meaning of that "infamous" kiss
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:20:00 - [66] Edited by: Aramendel on 12/02/2007 17:17:00 One should also note that EVE got developed in Iceland, which is (sorta) part of europe, which is populated to 95% by caucasians. So that EVE having mainly caucasians is not exactly a "hold the presses!" surprise. This has nothing to do with racismn, but simply with people adapting much of their own world on fictional scenarios. You might as well say that it is rassistic that in asian films most actors are asian.
Natalia Fachiri	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:21:00 - [67] There is such a thing as overreaction. This is a picture perfect example.
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:27:00 - [68] dude, come on now. We all know that there are no black people in space let alone the future. Don't you watch TV? Originally by: Dee Vour ...can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar? ask some goonies, they know how to make their guys look like other stuff -----------------
stay puff	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:30:00 - [69] OMG there are NO American Indians in eve RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE oh and... can i have your stuff
Cadela Fria Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:31:00 - [70] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 12/02/2007 17:28:38 I thought black people were exstinct OMG!! THERE ARE NO VIKINGS IN THIS GAME!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:39:00 - [71] Originally by: XerZex psh, at least u guys got eye balls :P haha So do you, you just hid your pupils. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 - [72] Originally by: stay puff OMG there are NO American Indians in eve RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE oh and... can i have your stuff There are no Grandmothers in this game!
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Dee Vour but what disturbs me the most is the fact that you're acting like the very bigots you condemn. why shouldnt someone decide to put in their char what they want? and play the game with their own motives? does that make them bad? racist? and you a goodie because you dont care what your's looks like? It is a game. You really need to get your head around that. As a game EVE is limited in its scope. How many races should there be? Where are American Indians, Asians, Middle Easterners, Russians, Tahitians, Australians, Brazilians, etc.? More than that the EVE backstory, by virtue of the collapse of the EVE Gate, saw the stranded people form up into 4 distinct races. They are what they are. If you don't liek the story fine but it is what it is and what it is not is an attempt at racism. Quote: i for myself understand my mates view point and think it's fair the description of the Brutor not only lacks subtlety, it's also a big old stereotype. i also agree with them there are no descriptions of black "thinkers" in the game like the intaki or other races. wont even elaborate on the changing the light background thang (...) and because i am human i can see this can be a valid issue and wont dismiss their concern. Again, read the backstory. I'll quote a part for you: "The fortunes of the Minmatars have ebbed and flowed continuously. At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere. Later, however, they had to endure centuries of enslavement, toiling and dying for the benefit of foreign masters. Today most of them have regained their freedom, but the legacy of their enslavement has been the diaspora of the race." So, you have a race that was known for their "mechanical excellence" who was subsequently enslaved. Does not sound like an implication that Minmatar or somehow lesser or defective. Where they stand now is a result of their enslavement. Being enslaved as a race is not conducive to generating high art and great thinkers. It is conducive to creating freedom fighters.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Dark Shikari Gallente are French. I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories Try wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_department The people of Africa is not represented by the frenches. "la Martinique", "La Guadeloupe", "Saint Pierre et Michellon" etc represent no more than 5% of the total population maybe. Our melting-pot is, say about the same fancy colours as in the US (some people here try to think about positive discrimination for exemple). Let me guess an horrible thing : on "old eden", people left Africa on Earth because they were too poor ? Maybe they come back one time, along with the Indians (left alone them too). I wonder what happened to these people on old eden. ----- History is made by whinners
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.12 17:50:00 - [75] There are no trolls in the game! Oh wait...
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:14:00 - [76] meh you got the concept of races and nations confused mate. i see 3 main types on earth (not in any order): asian, afro and caucasian. not difficult is it? "native" indians descend from mongols (asia) who migrated and are a "metissage". oh, and btw according to top scientists mankind emanates from africa i.e. started off... black then over millenia man changed according to its environment. not that it matters one bit though but i thought i'd let you know...
Anna Grahm	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Dee Vour my mates came visiting to check my new uber game: EVE online. they were in awe and within 5 mnts they'd all left and gone to theirs to get a trial account. next day i got a couple of calls from 2 of my buddies. they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor. in essence what they actually said to me was: "man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future". i couldnt really confirm as all my chars are caucasians. but when i suggested that they chill and address the issue on the forum they told me to stuff that idiotic game where (i'll censure this myself ) after this even my white buddies decided not to join.... can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar? http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a21/LostSoulStory/ThatsRacist.gif
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:21:00 - [78] Quote: by Humpalot. Being enslaved as a race is not conducive to generating high art and great thinkers. It is conducive to creating freedom fighters. er... are you sure? really? lol maybe you should read more. for instance (and amongst many other examples) the bible was written by a people from a nation of former slaves. oodles of other examples out there. imo slavery generates one fundamental trait: it makes you think
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:25:00 - [79] Well, I must say there are a few other races that aren't represented at all in eve, at least there is a black option. And wth with only Brutors getting shades? What? Caldari can't be cool? Didn't CCP ever watch CHiPS? As to the Brutor description, I suppose... How about you and your mates come up with what you would consider a non-offensive description? That might be interesting to read. I have a feeling that if CCP gets around to finishing the walking around in stations thing, where we all have to recreate our avatars, there might be a few more options to appearance then. If you guys do file-13 eve for now, maybe you should come back and check it once that feature is in. ------------------- Ignorance
Agrikaan Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:29:00 - [80] I WANT MY HAIR BACK! I WANT HAIR-REGROWTH PRODUCTS ON THE EVE MARKET! Now recruting!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:34:00 - [81] If any of you or your friends had read eve stories you would know that The minmatar are pointed by the most advanced of the races (so caller the order) as the closes to reach their status of perfection among all human races. So should all caucasian people now condemn CCp cause it was racist and made the dark skinned one to be the most evolved race? LOL for you! I have pity of you! You will only be not racist the day you dont care anything about that! If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Tharim Code-Blue	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:38:00 - [82] The character creation in all its complexity is a bit decieving. When you enter the game as a Brutor, you are a minmatarr together with the Sebiestors and that new race. The portrait doesnt really matter much. The OP and his friends disgust me. They represent if not everything, then atleast alot of what is wrong with the world. Originally by: Sharkbait what queue are you stuck in. logging into the character selection page, logging into game, or jumping somewhere?
Kalbagar	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:39:00 - [83] Honestly, if your friends have such huge problems getting over real life racist issues to enjoy a GAME, then they really don't belong in eve.
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:39:00 - [84] Haha I can understand the feeling of this guy, the Brutors are the stereotypical African appearance, and what's more they happen to be fighting against slavery of their people, what a coincidence! I would find it a little offensive too. But it's just a game, and something so integral to the backstory won't change anytime this century.
Grader	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:44:00 - [85] im black.... and mimitar are the strongest in game : p nanophooon : p the game breaker atm muhuaaaaaaaa... remeber 2 mwd and torp lauchers on rupture? was a gamebreaker in the begginings of eve,,, and it was a black mans ride toooo hehe we doing fine as the black ppl in eve.
Dee Vour	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 - [86] er... you people miss the point completely. i still insist that this game is based on this world order of things. but even at this point in time all races live virtually everywhere on earth. so my point is... why arent there all 3 races in each of the 4 EVE races? that would make sense wouldn't it. i feel so sorry that some of you are so blinded by whatever twisted misconception. mmm... very on the defensive you are... are you not?
Samuel Freedom Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:53:00 - [87] Edited by: Samuel Freedom on 12/02/2007 18:49:55 Originally by: Ling Xiao Haha I can understand the feeling of this guy, the Brutors are the stereotypical African appearance, and what's more they happen to be fighting against slavery of their people, what a coincidence! I would find it a little offensive too. But it's just a game, and something so integral to the backstory won't change anytime this century. o.0 I must be a black ablbino then as I am fighting oppression and slavery aswell
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:55:00 - [88] While I hardly think its as extreme a problem as the OPs friend makes out, I do find it a bit bugging. 7 bloodlines who appear to be white. 4 bloolines that appear to be asian. 1 bloodline (called "BRUT[E]or", ex slaves, renowned for their thuggish warrior mentality) is black. I mean, that is a bit lame. I hope they add another swathe of bloodlines (witha new power-of-two offer, woo!) to help add a bit more choice and flavour. If I recall my prime fiction rightly, there are Minmatar tribes and Amarr races that have been mentioned by name, and atleast one more Gallente Federation member that gets named. Presumably we can rustle up another Caldari bloodline, too. And DS: I know a black French guy and a black guy from Egypt, so nyah -----------------------------------------------
Donna Darko	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:55:00 - [89] Just for the record, I find people calling others rasist to be a lot more rasist than their targets. But since this is a game, I too was surprised the only way I could get a black character was to be minmatar, even though I wanted this caldari chick to be mocca. It really deceivs me that you cannot chose your skin color through a limited pallete that includes the darkest black skin possible. Set in future or not, it is a game played by people of the present, who want to be "themselves" or someone else (I'm white or, to be politically correct "I am caucasian"). It's an imaginary world, but if I am happy with the color of my skin, or want to be "a person of color", it's somewhat stupid not to let me. In regards to the Minmatar being the only blacks in game AND the race that was enslaved, I did find it too close to today's reality and frankly a dumb point in the decision of the game. They could have just as well made the Amarr the slaves, most of them look like they're beggars anyway, hoodies on their heads (Ku Klux Klan anyone?) and all. What completely made me declare CCP is racist was the inclusion of the "american native" bloodline (another "slaved"/subjugated race in real life) in the Minmatar race. I suppose this paragraph will eventually dissapear, but I wanted to say it. So here are my proposed solutions: - Allow us to chose whatever skin color we want. If that's not an option, make all characters green. As far as I know, there are no races called "green", while there are white, black, yellow and red races. - Since it's a bit late in the game to change the background story of the Minmatar without creating a true revolt on the forums, I propose these events be implemented: Jove come back and give the Minmatar more power, which is used to impose a ban on Amarr even mentioning the words "slave" while the new slaves become the Caldari (Minmatar got tired of having to shield tank AND armor tank their ships, so they saif "**** off, Caldari, give us your ships!"). This way, the french (Gallente) won't be laughed on about their previous military conflicts' outcome in real life, the Amarr being enslaved wouldn't make the white people yell murder and create another white versus black conflict. Stories.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:56:00 - [90] Originally by: Dee Vour after this even my white buddies decided not to join.... Thats gotta one of the silliest reasons ive ever heard to not play a game... ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Euphratie	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Dee Vour i see 3 main types on earth (not in any order): asian, afro and caucasian. not difficult is it? Clearly it is a bit difficult because someone forgot a group here... where are the characters that look Indian or Pakistani in origin? You cannot fabricate that appearance in EVE (although Intaki come close). That's more than 1.3 billion people not represented. I think they have more of a bone to grind.
Sgt Blade Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:57:00 - [92] my char seems to have very dark skin and hes caldari so mabey try mess around with the skin colour and lighting aswell as Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:57:00 - [93] Originally by: Euphratie Originally by: Dee Vour i see 3 main types on earth (not in any order): asian, afro and caucasian. not difficult is it? Clearly it is a bit difficult because someone forgot a group here... where are the characters that look Indian or Pakistani in origin? You cannot fabricate that appearance in EVE (although Intaki come close). That's more than 1.3 billion people not represented. I think they have more of a bone to grind. If someone whines long enough, I'm sure they can get a free T2 BPO.
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:58:00 - [94] Originally by: Dee Vour er... are you sure? really? lol maybe you should read more. for instance (and amongst many other examples) the bible was written by a people from a nation of former slaves. oodles of other examples out there. imo slavery generates one fundamental trait: it makes you think I'd be curious when you think and by whom the Bible was written. The Bible is a collection of stories. Those stories were written anywhere from around 1400 BC to around 90 AD by different people. All told perhaps two dozen people are responsible for authoring the different books in the bible (hardly a racial effort). The bible you read today can take many different forms but by and large the "modern" bible was not compiled as canon till around 400 and the definitive list did not come till the Council of Trent around 1550. And it continues to be re-written till this day (there are dozens of versions). I am not saying that an enslaved race cannot have members who produce art or escape their bondage and become great thinkers. On the whole though the enslaving race will see to it that their slaves are oppressed which will include lack of education, exposure to the arts, freedom of expression and so on. In this climate the race as a whole will not likely achieve much in the way of scientific breakthroughs or world class art as they are focused on slipping the bonds of their slavery. This does NOT make the enslaved race stupid or lacking...they just need to take care of first things first and that is obtaining freedom and not working up a cure for cancer or painting the Cistine Chapel.
Kalbagar	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:00:00 - [95] Originally by: Dee Vour er... you people miss the point completely. i still insist that this game is based on this world order of things. but even at this point in time all races live virtually everywhere on earth. so my point is... why arent there all 3 races in each of the 4 EVE races? that would make sense wouldn't it. i feel so sorry that some of you are so blinded by whatever twisted misconception. mmm... very on the defensive you are... are you not? A race is represented by the majority of the population. Galante being french means that most of the population is french meaning most of them are cocasian. Caldari are american. They don't have any black people for the same reason the USA never had a black president, and very very few black astronauts. Amarr seem to be pretty ****, they enslaved the black people so it's only natrural that they don't have any in their ranks. That leaves the minmatars, the sort of black tribal race, and since the last I've heard africa still has tribes. Is this the type of answer you were looking for? The truth is, ccp probably didn't think about it when they were making the races. Since unless I'm wrong there are no, or very few black people working for ccp, they simply didn't think about it. If ccp was based in africa you would have seen many many more black caracters, but alas you don't. The truth is this is not a big issue, I my self am black and I am starting to get sick of all these black people playing the racist card. It has been used and used to death. It's a game, not real life. Deal with it.

Jacques Archambault Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:01:00 - [96] This thread is flamebait. Discussion of RL politics and sensitive social topics are not permitted on the forums, simply due to the fact that a lot of people get upset by it at the end of the day. The EVE-Online Community is an international one, and it does not matter where you are from, what language you speak, what religion you have or what colour your skin is.... we're all here to have a good time and play EVE. -Jacques' forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! "Remembered only as Jack"


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