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Posted - 2007.02.13 06:20:00 -
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New tactics from FIX! The Guilt Trip!
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.13 06:41:00 -
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everyone is doing exactly what they wanted to do, gang up and dispose of bob. It's gonna happen eventually since it seems like anyone outside the deep south despises that alliance. the CCP crap wouldn't affect the outcome, it has just sped up the timeline that's all.
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Hohne
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 06:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Min Jita
Problem as I see it is that no alliance can afford the POS required to control every station system in every region. A concerted effort by a large group of people could result in any station system being taken. Take GB- in Detorid, it will likely fall to RA but with 35+ deathstar POS in there can they afford to keep them fueled constantly if BOB et all manage to attack their home systems ?
Many smaller alliances have kept many more POS's fueled for months and months on end. ;) I know, I did part of the fueling.
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Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ?
* A little birdie tells me that far from banning them, they're actually going to integrate them into the ingame wallet... go figure.
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Will be very interesting but IMO the one who wins will be the one with the most ISK to finance it.
Isk helps, but to a point you need sheer numbers. It doesn't work if you manage to save one system only to lose 2 others to simultaneous attacks.
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Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A.
Total bull****. Watch what happens as GS/RA and co take over space. I bet it melts from the large alliances and gets handed to other smaller alliances.
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Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week.
Some will stay allied, no doubt alot will return to their past conflicts.... um... so.. Alot will have new found respect for their former foes.
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Scav Silver
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.13 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Chirinako
...Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income?...
Good.. Less Lag..
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 07:26:00 -
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If we win we go back to pew pewin everybody, if we lose we go back to pew pewin everybody 
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Cartiff
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.02.13 07:44:00 -
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The most dangerous thing that can happen to the "allied forces" is to destroy BOB completely, else your risking a new "total roaming force" which can strike at will with their power, with no homebase to hit them back at.
Imagine outbreak with 100times more capabilities.
Better to cripple BOB and let it die from within, ruining alot of the internal relationships that fuel them.
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Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar
GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.
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Lenaria
Caldari
Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Min Jita
Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ?
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Btw, you guys should already agree each other - are RA SELLS on Ebay or BUYS??? I mean, fueling these large deathstar POS's costs way more than you get from average 10/10 complex...
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Ned Knut
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:49:00 -
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If you think the lossers of this war will quit en masse, it would be becuase they love BoB more than Eve itself. I doubt the type of players that make up BoB will quit Eve at all then.
The innovation they have shown so far, will come back in force within whatever they decided to do next. Highly skilled players in terms of SP and experience will be a force to be reckoned with even if they are operating in small ex BoB seperate entities.
People quit the game and re start all the time, the outcome of this war will not increase or decrease how many decide to give up, which is what quiting is, giving up. I dont think the BoB mentality is a quiting one and they will still be here in years to come in one form or another.
I think should they lose this, after a few months whilst things settle down, some of them will be pleased with the lack of responsibility and reputation they will then have. There will be alot of decent pilots out there for people to shoost with. It will be fun and Eve will be better off for it.
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 08:56:00 -
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Alliances come and go, every day an alliance dies, thats the game
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:43:00 -
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Removed some off topic posts, please refrain from talking about isk sales, and the recent dev misconduct.
- Thanks Hutch.
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Ned Knut
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Removed some off topic posts, please refrain from talking about isk sales, and the recent dev misconduct.
So it's all true then 
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: R0ot
Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week. 
Isn't that exactly their objective? None of the parties involved in the coalition against BoD intends to make Eve into Carebearland. If BoB gets beaten, of course the alliances fighting them will go back to fighting each other.
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Beowulf scot
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:00:00 -
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There is bound to be a few writers from the pc mags taking a look at eve due to the war and that will only encourage more people to join. I dont see anyone quiting just because their side lost, but if we start seeing articles in pcgamer with quotes from the forums saying that the only reason one side won was because of the devs helping then we can kiss goodbye to any new players and eventually eve-online.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:21:00 -
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you got one half going "this is the challenge we wanted"
the other half going "if we dont win, its clearly because ccp suck and bob devhax everything." If people cancel their subs because of a thought like that, then imo good riddance. CCP has stated what went on. CCP has dealt with it (whether you think it as severe enough or not, its happened). Fight the fight, enjoy the shooty pew shooty. Memberbase won't change that much, perhaps a chunk of evol will stop, perhaps goon will finally get bored and go lag someone else, w/e.
wait and see.
As for bob's doings now being "tainted", it is only tainted to the people who actually believe that they werent beaten by better players (which they were) and that they whole heartadly think that these guys actually hack, cheat and abuse /dev commands on a daily basis. Go play CS, you should feel right at home with your "hax'n'lies" mentality.
From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Beowulf scot
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Beowulf scot on 16/02/2007 02:54:41
I think maybe i didn't word that to well as what i meant to get over was that that what ever happened should be laid to rest and the forums kept to pew pew so that the gamer mags pic up on the war and not anything that taints eve-online.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:35:00 -
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I actually have a good logical reason for being on the anti-BoB side. Well, I say good, but you know. It'll do
Basically, look at the alliance map. Divide it into roughly two chunks- pro-BoB and anti-BoB. Compare them- notice that the pro-BoB chunk is almost entirely the deep blue of BoB itself, while the anti-BoB is the multi coloured excitement of god knows who.
Now think about the two possible outcomes. On one hand, BoB can win. BoB will then be the singularly most powerful alliance in the game. They will have removed all major oposition- there will be no-one left for them to fight, and the other players in the game will be permanently out of options for fighting back. Thats pretty much game-over for EVE.
On the other hand, the anti-BoB camp wins. The map will be split among 10, 15, 20 different alliances, and more. As soon as BoB are out of the way, life will continue- the politics will resume, people will start fighting each other again, other alliances will gain power, while other alliances will shrink, or be replaced by new blood. EVE carries on.
From the perspective of a player, which world would I rather be in? The one dominated by an unbeatable superstate, or the one with the rich tapestry of politics, war and intrigue? No choice really.
So I'm proud to be on the "Pro EVE" side of the war 
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most problems can be solved with chloroform.
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Angor
Minmatar
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:48:00 -
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What goes up must come down..
Read it as you will but this is the rule of life, even vitual life 
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Briareos Hecatonchires
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:57:00 -
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Frankly this sort of war draws more subs--an epic battle involving so many people, such large amount of ships, capital fleet maneuvers, etc. I've had people who have never played ask me about the game because they read about the recent dev cheating issue, heard about some massive in-game war as a result of it, etc. Screenshots of these mothership wrecks, capital sieges, etc., will make any nerd's pants wet.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:19:00 -
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BOB can't lose.
If they actually hold out against the coalition or whatever you call it they win, possibly winning EVE.
If the coalition do prevail they will still claim a victory because it took so many to do it.
BTW don't anyone suggest that I like BOB from my comments because if you do you don't know me in the least!
Now back to the title of this thread the future of CCP will taken up with trying to work out a way to start the anti-blobbing PVP they hinted at or being working nonstop trying to counter the excessive lag that will be generated by the huge blob battles that are sure to happen. I can only cry at the thought of 1300 PPL that it's been said were in 1 fight earlier.
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TheFonz
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:22:00 -
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Potatoes are a good staple food. 
I also like them in pies
I also think that their may be a scenerio that no one has considered yet where in a negotiated settlement is reached and semi-permanant line of control are draw. With trillions of ISK lost people might re-evaluate the value of PvP.
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Accipiter Primus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 12:38:00 -
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This war, almost regardless of the outcome, is great news for CCP.
1 - The out of game media coverage ("Gamers take ingame action against a Dev misconduct - Total War")
2 - The ingame dynamics (Either way, there will be a redrawing of the boundries - space for grab)
3 - What a better lead into the factional warfare storyline that is progressing with Kali? 0.0 erupts into all out war and spreads to the 4 Empires.
I think that this has kindled a ton of new enthusiasm and attention for the game which won't die away with the last shots of the current conflict.
Apologies for staying on-topic.
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Damir36
Gallente
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:34:00 -
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The Problems I see have nothing to do with BOB or Anti BOB.
Right now I question if a war at this scale is possible. Both sides can and will field incredibly large forces to this war. Right now it looks like if you can move enought of your Pilots in a system you have to defend, then the Force needed to take this system is so large the server can not handel it, Nodecrash or incredible Lag and no fight. This thought occured to me this morning when I read the Thread about the Nodecrashes yesterday and the lag I experienced while travelling to MC Space. So if you want to defend a system just stuff 500-600 Pilots in this system. The agressing Force then needs about the same amount amd the game becomes unplayable. Add bubbels, DDs, Drones, Fighters and all the tools of war CCP lets us play with and you get my drift.
This is no complaint about an Lag/Nodecrashexploit. I would do the same if I had the ressources and Bob has the Manpower to field this number of Pilots.
After a few Weeks of Lag and nodecrashes with no decent fights (Ship losses due to lag, petions, and so on) a lot of the Pilots will go home to their own Regions.
my own thoughts, not my Corp/Ally, yadayada....
Grn¯e
Damir
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:01:00 -
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page 3 and no bob replys? somthing fishy going on here
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Sentar Manar
Amarr
NailorTech Industries
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 14:54:00 -
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Now lets think outside the box of "When the war is over the Alliances will go back to killing each other". IT is likly to happen however for the sake of disscusion. There are still some fish to fry after Bob. (They will go down sooner or later this is how the community dispenses Justice.)
There is the Privateer Alliance still out there gate camping Empire. They have made the fatal mistake of war decking and annoying many of the Alliances now fighting Bob. (Even rumors that they are keeping the war decks going with Bob money.)
Also if Bob goes down and the Freindships hold nothing is stopping the Allied forces from gaining a large chunk of 0.0 space to share as plunder. Their may be minor skirmishes but it looks like there will become a new titanic money making machine. Building for the next war.
Who know maybe to dissipline CCP we attack Concord.
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TuRtLe HeAd
The Bratwurst Burglars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:10:00 -
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Territory comes and territory goes, its easy to get, its easy to keep, its easy to lose. thats the way of EvE. People leave over it but the majority stay.
the implications of whats going on are hardly any different to anything thats ever happened in the last 4 years.
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Riddari
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:57:00 -
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I think CCP are happy to see this grand war.
They want to see more and smaller alliances, they don't like mega-alliances.
Once the dust settles we will probably see multiple alliances rise up in regions currently covered by mega-alliances.
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fanii
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Posted - 2007.02.17 03:44:00 -
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Hi. First id like to admid that i havn't read all the posts in this theard but i dosn't change the fact that you only need to look at the real world to poke a stick through this.
Sure if in case that the LV, BOB alliances fall some will quit the game but this wont effect CCP in any way.
On another note, to explain what would happen if LV, BOB fall, you only need to look at the Isreal problem, most of the middle east have the common enemie, isreal, and aslong as isreal is there they will remain "friends". You only need to look at the historie of that area to know what im talking about.
The second that their common enemie, isreal, is gone they will fight eachother. Thats a fact.
English is only my second language and ontop of that I have had quiet a few beers b4 posting this. But the stated things above are facts of life, it will NOT couse any headaces for CCP.
Personally i do hope that at one point in the, maybe, not so close future that the server will live up to its name "Tranqility"
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Karch
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:52:00 -
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I don't think BoB will ever "Win EVE". If this "uprising" isn't enough in itself, there are still plenty of Alliances out there, who under certain circumstances, would join the frey.
History in real life is no different than in EVE. Every great Empire falls, eventually. BoB will someday fall, and we will be back to lots and lots of small Alliances. Then, Alliances will merge, fight each other, and we will get 1-2 huge Alliances. Its just a recurring circle.
Besides, everyone is calling this Eve War I. By labeling it that, surely there will be Eve War II in the future. :)
Bottom line: This conflict isn't going to "kill" EVE.
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Chirinako
Caldari
Legionari
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Damir36
The Problems I see have nothing to do with BOB or Anti BOB.
Right now I question if a war at this scale is possible. Both sides can and will field incredibly large forces to this war. Right now it looks like if you can move enought of your Pilots in a system you have to defend, then the Force needed to take this system is so large the server can not handel it, Nodecrash or incredible Lag and no fight. This thought occured to me this morning when I read the Thread about the Nodecrashes yesterday and the lag I experienced while travelling to MC Space. So if you want to defend a system just stuff 500-600 Pilots in this system. The agressing Force then needs about the same amount amd the game becomes unplayable. Add bubbels, DDs, Drones, Fighters and all the tools of war CCP lets us play with and you get my drift.
This is no complaint about an Lag/Nodecrashexploit. I would do the same if I had the ressources and Bob has the Manpower to field this number of Pilots.
After a few Weeks of Lag and nodecrashes with no decent fights (Ship losses due to lag, petions, and so on) a lot of the Pilots will go home to their own Regions.
my own thoughts, not my Corp/Ally, yadayada....
That's a very valid point. There's been 3 or 4 fleet battles in Querious lately with about a 3rd of the numbers you're talking about and my screen has taken 20-30 seconds to load, and after that it's about 1fps. Fleet battles are beginning to **** me off due to this, no doubt our opposition feel the same.
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