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Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:45:00 - [2] Nonsense sorry to say it like that. People will move to other alliances and move on. Same with ASCN falling and with other entities that fell before. Some of the leaders might not want to play anymore, but the regular player within BoB after falling would move on and find a new home. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:46:00 - [3] New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun! [EVE TASK BAR?]
Sathrai No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:47:00 - [4] How ridiculous. All you'd see is a fractioning of the anti-BoB bloc and the rise of infighting between them, and so the violence continues unabated after a few weeks or months - just with some new faces & blood in there, s'all. There'd probably be more adverse results if BoB & Co. win this mess, in fact. BoB is impressively monolithic.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Pepperami New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun! qft tbh.. this isnt new to online games, or even eve.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Dregann Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Pepperami New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun!
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:49:00 - [7] Can I have thier stuff?
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:49:00 - [8] Just because you got tossed out of your space doesnt mean you have nothing to play for. Look at the ASCN corps going to war with BoB again because they lost last time.. The want to avenge whoever took your space, and the need to prove you can beat your enemy even if it means staying in low-sec or empire for a while is what keeps people going. When RA was "beat" and "dead" for some reason (maybe -V- disbanding, KOS running away and LV down to a small section of space) I dont think there was a mass of subs. I think if anything eve will come out better as CCP might learn to better allocate thier resources so fleet fights arent so laggy. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
QuaSSia Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:50:00 - [9] Indeed, people will be spread out over other alliances, new alliances will be created etc...and the sun will keep shining ;-)
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [10] i thought its about getting something - not having something anyway...

Schani Kratnorr Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 12/02/2007 18:48:55 There will be plenty of reasons left for people to play EvE. Perhaps even more so when and if the dust eventually settles. BoB have been a force for innovative and clever thinking on how to play. Their enemies have taken notes, and this whole affair has acted as a catalyst for change. The game wont suddenly break if a few hundred people leave. Even if those people are relatively powerful and trend setting. Someone else will come along and replace them, and their organisation. Ohh, and I would not speculate too much into the outcome of this war. Massive in scale it may be, but in six months time we will lough at it's scale in comparison to what will come next. EvE will grow, more stuff will get blown up, and everyone will eventually forget this war. -- Support democracy! - Because it has to work
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [12] It's pleasing to see the type of replies being posted to be honest. I've not been around long enough to experience past wars on anything like this scale, so I don't know how the general community reacts if they lose. It's good to see that history tells us they just join another alliance and keep playing, makes things more interesting that way
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 12/02/2007 18:49:26 I actually look forward to seeing what the universe looks like after this fight. What happens if Bob survive, what if they win? What if the anti bob coalition wins? Where would Bob members go, would Bob disband or simply become more mobile? Ah the joys of 0.0 warfare. Rawr. People wouldnt quit eve, there will always be wars and if the universe becomes a nap fest people will simply leave and form Outbreak/Establishment corporations which will later on grow probably into full alliances. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Jan Tjarks moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:54:00 - [14] Some People will go, and other¦s will come. Many Chars are now activated for this War. Are all ASCN Gone? No.
Sonya Casiros The Ministry of Propaganda	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Sonya Casiros on 12/02/2007 18:58:13 Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss. I feel CCP and EvE has more to lose if BoB wins. Like it or not, most of the eve playerbase (and even the larger gaming community familiar with eve) now has an unfavorable outlook of CCP and BoB due to recent events. I think either BoB has to disband or lose this war in order to calm the community. If they don't lose than many eve subscribers may leave due to the perception that the game's war outcomes are fixed by devs (whether or not its true). Getting to know alot of people fighting against BoB and for BoB, I find most of the ones against BoB are not just fighting because they don't like BoB or they want better space. They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:02:00 - [16] I hope for the galaxies sake that BoB loses the war. Whether they will be fully destroyed is hard to say, I wouldn't be surprised to see it disband and some of the people move on while the others reband into a new alliance, wouldn't be the first time they've done that to try to get away from the past... Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:03:00 - [17] probably the same way they reacted when trust, fa, and ascn pilots quit in high numbers
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Sonya Casiros They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake. Nice corp name btw __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:05:00 - [19] If BOB lost, I don't think what you say would happen. On the other hand, I'm curious to see what happens if BOB wins: The Southern Coalition fighting against seemingly insurmountable odds-- a combined number of over 20,000 pilots between all the Northern Allies and the RedSwarm Federation. If BOB wins, what then? More tin-foil hattery? More accusations of insider and behind the scenes manipulation? I can see a mass cancellation of accounts then. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:07:00 - [20] Its good for the game on a lot of levels. It was dull when everyone was complaining about how boring this forum and the prevailing nap politics were. ===This is a sig=== "no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz ==============

Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Sonya Casiros Edited by: Sonya Casiros on 12/02/2007 18:58:13 Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:12:00 - [22] In every online game I've ever played people keep playing past their "sell by" dates. You get pulled into whatever plot is going on, and you keep playing because there's been no real closure at any point, and you can't leave halfway through something. On MUDs the playerbase was reset every couple of years. That caused people to retire, and others to come back. I guess in Eve it's alliance wars. I suspect there's a lot of people playing Eve now in the big hitting alliances - BoB, D2, AAA, RA, LV etc that have been playing for a very long time, and perhaps aren't enjoying playing any more but haven't stopped. And I suspect when the dust settles, a fair amount of people will happily walk away from Eve having both played enough of the game that there's not enough new things left, and finished off the "plot" they were in at that point. It's not bad for the game, it's not a sign of things going wrong, it's not a problem with Eve, it's just the way it is. I'm quite sure others will semi-retire to Empire for a bit, and try out some of the new things that came with Kali. Some will go and join pirate corps and maybe pewpew in Syndicate or something for a while - no pressure just the shooty shooty. And others will set long skills and take a break, and might come back. Game will go on though, and I'm sure CCP can see peaks and troughs in the number of cancelled accounts. But it doesn't mean there's a problem as such. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? You were given an option to bail out from this, you declined. I don't think you will see a load of subscription cancellations because of this though since people who participate in wars usually know what is at stake and won't just bend over when they get their asses kicked. Only real change I'd espect would be a sudden population rise in empire. --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Mate, there are much better reasons for subscription cancellations at the moment (I was dumb enough to pay 6 months in advance), than alliance wars.
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Mate, there are much better reasons for subscription cancellations at the moment (I was dumb enough to pay 6 months in advance), than alliance wars. Lol, I can sympathise with that I'm not trying to say this WILL happen, I'm just curious as to what people think WOULD happen if this scenario came true ;p
Maruk Ihnati Gallente United Warriors Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:29:00 - [26] These wars should be called "The PoS Wars" (Proof or STFU). I glad now that I payed with isk for my current subscription and that those isk went to goonswarm.
Lost Daughter Agents Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:49:00 - [27] Flavour of the month?? The question isnt if BoB falls or not, it is if the people attacking them can keep their attentions long enough to make BoB fall. 1 month? 2 months? someone will shoot someone they shouldnt... the forces against BoB and co will fracture into smaller groups, and it will lose momentum. It will grind to a halt and be exactly the same as it was before, BoB will more than likely lose space and stations, but in the end not a huge difference. An alliance that LIVES for PvP cant be killed by PvP, chances are they have alts in your alliance making their isks.. Prove me wrong sits back and watches with popcorn LoDa
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:54:00 - [28] Open your map. Display 'pilots in space for the last 30 minutes'. See where the customers are ;-) ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Suleyman Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:55:00 - [29] Bob loosing?? Seriously, it's not gonna happen, I'm sorry, but those who attack BoB atm aren't hardcore enough. They will not be able to take jack, but they will loose a heck of a lot of ships. Suley
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? You were given an option to bail out from this, you declined. I don't think you will see a load of subscription cancellations because of this though since people who participate in wars usually know what is at stake and won't just bend over when they get their asses kicked. Only real change I'd espect would be a sudden population rise in empire. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO no bod will be in jita there will be 3000 people there o god! all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion



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