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Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss.
Dekiri Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:45:00 - [2] Nonsense sorry to say it like that. People will move to other alliances and move on. Same with ASCN falling and with other entities that fell before. Some of the leaders might not want to play anymore, but the regular player within BoB after falling would move on and find a new home. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:46:00 - [3] New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun! [EVE TASK BAR?]
Sathrai No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:47:00 - [4] How ridiculous. All you'd see is a fractioning of the anti-BoB bloc and the rise of infighting between them, and so the violence continues unabated after a few weeks or months - just with some new faces & blood in there, s'all. There'd probably be more adverse results if BoB & Co. win this mess, in fact. BoB is impressively monolithic.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Pepperami New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun! qft tbh.. this isnt new to online games, or even eve.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Dregann Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Pepperami New lines will be drawn, someone will kill a blue hauler and woo, more fun!
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:49:00 - [7] Can I have thier stuff?
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:49:00 - [8] Just because you got tossed out of your space doesnt mean you have nothing to play for. Look at the ASCN corps going to war with BoB again because they lost last time.. The want to avenge whoever took your space, and the need to prove you can beat your enemy even if it means staying in low-sec or empire for a while is what keeps people going. When RA was "beat" and "dead" for some reason (maybe -V- disbanding, KOS running away and LV down to a small section of space) I dont think there was a mass of subs. I think if anything eve will come out better as CCP might learn to better allocate thier resources so fleet fights arent so laggy. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
QuaSSia Caldari MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:50:00 - [9] Indeed, people will be spread out over other alliances, new alliances will be created etc...and the sun will keep shining ;-)
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [10] i thought its about getting something - not having something anyway...
Schani Kratnorr Federal Volunteers Office	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 12/02/2007 18:48:55 There will be plenty of reasons left for people to play EvE. Perhaps even more so when and if the dust eventually settles. BoB have been a force for innovative and clever thinking on how to play. Their enemies have taken notes, and this whole affair has acted as a catalyst for change. The game wont suddenly break if a few hundred people leave. Even if those people are relatively powerful and trend setting. Someone else will come along and replace them, and their organisation. Ohh, and I would not speculate too much into the outcome of this war. Massive in scale it may be, but in six months time we will lough at it's scale in comparison to what will come next. EvE will grow, more stuff will get blown up, and everyone will eventually forget this war. -- Support democracy! - Because it has to work
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:51:00 - [12] It's pleasing to see the type of replies being posted to be honest. I've not been around long enough to experience past wars on anything like this scale, so I don't know how the general community reacts if they lose. It's good to see that history tells us they just join another alliance and keep playing, makes things more interesting that way
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 12/02/2007 18:49:26 I actually look forward to seeing what the universe looks like after this fight. What happens if Bob survive, what if they win? What if the anti bob coalition wins? Where would Bob members go, would Bob disband or simply become more mobile? Ah the joys of 0.0 warfare. Rawr. People wouldnt quit eve, there will always be wars and if the universe becomes a nap fest people will simply leave and form Outbreak/Establishment corporations which will later on grow probably into full alliances. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Jan Tjarks moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.12 18:54:00 - [14] Some People will go, and other¦s will come. Many Chars are now activated for this War. Are all ASCN Gone? No.
Sonya Casiros The Ministry of Propaganda	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Sonya Casiros on 12/02/2007 18:58:13 Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss. I feel CCP and EvE has more to lose if BoB wins. Like it or not, most of the eve playerbase (and even the larger gaming community familiar with eve) now has an unfavorable outlook of CCP and BoB due to recent events. I think either BoB has to disband or lose this war in order to calm the community. If they don't lose than many eve subscribers may leave due to the perception that the game's war outcomes are fixed by devs (whether or not its true). Getting to know alot of people fighting against BoB and for BoB, I find most of the ones against BoB are not just fighting because they don't like BoB or they want better space. They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:02:00 - [16] I hope for the galaxies sake that BoB loses the war. Whether they will be fully destroyed is hard to say, I wouldn't be surprised to see it disband and some of the people move on while the others reband into a new alliance, wouldn't be the first time they've done that to try to get away from the past... Galactic Express Recruitment Post
Dirtball Kemono. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:03:00 - [17] probably the same way they reacted when trust, fa, and ascn pilots quit in high numbers
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Sonya Casiros They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake. Nice corp name btw __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:05:00 - [19] If BOB lost, I don't think what you say would happen. On the other hand, I'm curious to see what happens if BOB wins: The Southern Coalition fighting against seemingly insurmountable odds-- a combined number of over 20,000 pilots between all the Northern Allies and the RedSwarm Federation. If BOB wins, what then? More tin-foil hattery? More accusations of insider and behind the scenes manipulation? I can see a mass cancellation of accounts then. _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:07:00 - [20] Its good for the game on a lot of levels. It was dull when everyone was complaining about how boring this forum and the prevailing nap politics were. ===This is a sig=== "no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz ==============
Omega Bloodstone Battlestars Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Sonya Casiros Edited by: Sonya Casiros on 12/02/2007 18:58:13 Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 They are fighting because the believe EvE's future is also at stake.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:12:00 - [22] In every online game I've ever played people keep playing past their "sell by" dates. You get pulled into whatever plot is going on, and you keep playing because there's been no real closure at any point, and you can't leave halfway through something. On MUDs the playerbase was reset every couple of years. That caused people to retire, and others to come back. I guess in Eve it's alliance wars. I suspect there's a lot of people playing Eve now in the big hitting alliances - BoB, D2, AAA, RA, LV etc that have been playing for a very long time, and perhaps aren't enjoying playing any more but haven't stopped. And I suspect when the dust settles, a fair amount of people will happily walk away from Eve having both played enough of the game that there's not enough new things left, and finished off the "plot" they were in at that point. It's not bad for the game, it's not a sign of things going wrong, it's not a problem with Eve, it's just the way it is. I'm quite sure others will semi-retire to Empire for a bit, and try out some of the new things that came with Kali. Some will go and join pirate corps and maybe pewpew in Syndicate or something for a while - no pressure just the shooty shooty. And others will set long skills and take a break, and might come back. Game will go on though, and I'm sure CCP can see peaks and troughs in the number of cancelled accounts. But it doesn't mean there's a problem as such. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? You were given an option to bail out from this, you declined. I don't think you will see a load of subscription cancellations because of this though since people who participate in wars usually know what is at stake and won't just bend over when they get their asses kicked. Only real change I'd espect would be a sudden population rise in empire. --- Mandatory disclaimer: These are my thoughts, not my corps/alliances. ---
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Mate, there are much better reasons for subscription cancellations at the moment (I was dumb enough to pay 6 months in advance), than alliance wars.
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Mate, there are much better reasons for subscription cancellations at the moment (I was dumb enough to pay 6 months in advance), than alliance wars. Lol, I can sympathise with that I'm not trying to say this WILL happen, I'm just curious as to what people think WOULD happen if this scenario came true ;p
Maruk Ihnati Gallente United Warriors Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:29:00 - [26] These wars should be called "The PoS Wars" (Proof or STFU). I glad now that I payed with isk for my current subscription and that those isk went to goonswarm.
Lost Daughter Agents Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:49:00 - [27] Flavour of the month?? The question isnt if BoB falls or not, it is if the people attacking them can keep their attentions long enough to make BoB fall. 1 month? 2 months? someone will shoot someone they shouldnt... the forces against BoB and co will fracture into smaller groups, and it will lose momentum. It will grind to a halt and be exactly the same as it was before, BoB will more than likely lose space and stations, but in the end not a huge difference. An alliance that LIVES for PvP cant be killed by PvP, chances are they have alts in your alliance making their isks.. Prove me wrong sits back and watches with popcorn LoDa
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:54:00 - [28] Open your map. Display 'pilots in space for the last 30 minutes'. See where the customers are ;-) ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Suleyman Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:55:00 - [29] Bob loosing?? Seriously, it's not gonna happen, I'm sorry, but those who attack BoB atm aren't hardcore enough. They will not be able to take jack, but they will loose a heck of a lot of ships. Suley
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Originally by: Chirinako Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? You were given an option to bail out from this, you declined. I don't think you will see a load of subscription cancellations because of this though since people who participate in wars usually know what is at stake and won't just bend over when they get their asses kicked. Only real change I'd espect would be a sudden population rise in empire. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO no bod will be in jita there will be 3000 people there o god! all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 I don't see this war lasting long, most alliance involved are either on paper thin naps, don't have much stamina (the north) and/or don't work together. On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, the only way they will lose if they die from the inside which won't happen knowing how close their command is. Most people will start to give up after a month with very little progress. Now lets say they did lose all their space it would only be a few minutes before everyone breaks their NAP's and start fighting each other in which BoB can easily retake their space. All in all I can't see the north fighting for 3+ months way beyond supply lines, BoB have a big home court advantage if you ask me. And to awnser the main question, no I can't see many quitting. ----------
Wayward Hooligan Gallente SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:27:00 - [32] If BoD loses the devs and GM's will just give them back their space and ships and ban anyone who cries foul. YARRR!!!
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:30:00 - [33] Please snip above comment not close the thread all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:32:00 - [34] The problem i see, is that you cannot actually defeat BoB. In the same sense that BoB has discovered they can't defeat the Goons. We can drive them out of their space and into empire, where they will stay until everything calms down, at which point we will see them come back again. They may shed some players, but i don't see them likely to break up like ASCN did, if we believe that they will we are kidding ourselves. A legend in my own mind
Swedde Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 I don't see this war lasting long, most alliance involved are either on paper thin naps, don't have much stamina (the north) and/or don't work together. On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, the only way they will lose if they die from the inside which won't happen knowing how close their command is. Most people will start to give up after a month with very little progress. Now lets say they did lose all their space it would only be a few minutes before everyone breaks their NAP's and start fighting each other in which BoB can easily retake their space. All in all I can't see the north fighting for 3+ months way beyond supply lines, BoB have a big home court advantage if you ask me. And to awnser the main question, no I can't see many quitting. Yep totally agree with this.. I think a larger threat to losing player base will have more to do with ill and badly introduced features within the game - if it becomes to "hard" to understand and too diverse it will feel overwhelming and difficult to play.. Remember those C64 shootÆem up games, very simple but sooo entertaining.. (at least I thought so at the time) DomDiDiDomDom...
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:54:00 - [36] - If Bob win: tbh I don't see them winning against so many people. They can wreack unimaginable havoc, but conquer and hold all of 0.0? Not going to happen... - If Bob lose: most probable is that they'll pack in empire to take a breathing, then roam the hell out of the galaxy, and launch an invasion when the anti-bob coalition will let it's guard down. Less probable, would be that Bob's members leave and join other alliances, or that Bob split in several smaller entites. This would be the best for the health of 0.0 politics, because in any game, one entity that "does anything to win", truely is a cancer, the kind that kill a game over years... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, . I think you should check over your alliance list again. Hint: look for the cyrillic.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:10:00 - [38] A few scenarios: BoB loses: They fall back to empire, regroup, find a weak 0.0 spot to conquer, begin expanding their borders again. or They fall back to empire, shed some members, become a lean roaming force with no real home. BoB wins: They say "GF", fall back to Delve for a month to regroup, begin expanding their borders again. or They say, "screw this", we're going to POTBS.
Min Jita Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:27:00 - [39] 2 choices BOB win or beat the bandwagoners back to their own space and the south remains as it was a month or so back with LV/GOONS/RA/TCF/CA etc shooting the **** out of each other and forgetting the POS thing (which IMO kills the game for anyone who has to fuel and do whatever needs to be done to the POS) BOB lose or get beaten back to a few systems. They will regroup and attack from that to recover their space. Problem as I see it is that no alliance can afford the POS required to control every station system in every region. A concerted effort by a large group of people could result in any station system being taken. Take GB- in Detorid, it will likely fall to RA but with 35+ deathstar POS in there can they afford to keep them fueled constantly if BOB et all manage to attack their home systems ? Can Goons continue to have major number of losses but not massive ISK per loss ? What i mean is that can they raise enough finance to cover the POS costs while maintaining the losses they are currently having (2 or 3m per loss isnt much but when you lose a large amount it does mount up. Can they cover the war bonds that they have issued ? Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ? Can LV hold their space under overwhelming odds ? Who knows but with BOB as friends it will be easier than alone. They have shown they can hold multiple systems but look like losing at least one before the war is over. Will be very interesting but IMO the one who wins will be the one with the most ISK to finance it.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Chirinako I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. I hope so.
Wylker Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Wylker on 12/02/2007 21:46:04 Everyone seems to forget what the real travesty would be here. BoB does their thing etc, but if you look at their relationship with their renters (or whatever you want to call them), in general they are not a conquor you and lock you down in chains type of alliance. The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. I hope that the coalition assigned against Bob can look around and see who their allies are, you may be fighting the only two groups that keep the game you love enjoyable for you.
CyberChick The Ghost Riders Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Bob and allies are not the reason why I play the game, if it was I would join BOB! The game existed before bob and it will exist long after bob are a distant memory. Remember not all wars have anything to do with Bob/Fix etc, Ragoons vs lv was going on long before bob put their foot in..
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:06:00 - [43] Don't be Stupid ! Unless there is an alternative game for EVE , noone will quit. EVE is the only space simulation/trade with pvp freedom out in MMORPG world. If someone leaves because they lost the war, it means they do not wish to play MMORPG anymore. Because there is no better game out there...
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Xeliya interesting thoughts I have to disagree tho. NPC regions and dreads with 5+ t2 cargo expanders and cargo expander rigs make most of what you said moot. And I think you misjudge what will happen if renters do loose BoB systems. BoB looses monthly income OR they will loose isk into recapturing their NPC stations. Lets just hope t20 didn't spawn an endless supply of large towers for BoB too. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Wylker the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. Ra lets quite a few smaller alliances and corporations use their space. Back when i lived in curse there where a **** load of other russian and polish corps running around the south doing their own thing. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Niaski Zalani Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:43:00 - [46] I don't think the outcome of the current wars will have much effect on CCP. Why should it?
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:50:00 - [47] Personally i believe the trend of this war will be set if the LV titan survives. It will certainly give either side a massive boost. ----
Sargonius Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 12/02/2007 21:46:04 Everyone seems to forget what the real travesty would be here. BoB does their thing etc, but if you look at their relationship with their renters (or whatever you want to call them), in general they are not a conquor you and lock you down in chains type of alliance. The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. I hope that the coalition assigned against Bob can look around and see who their allies are, you may be fighting the only two groups that keep the game you love enjoyable for you. You re so wrong hehe . You need to get to know goon and RA better Just my 2isk
Fabienne Runestar Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:42:00 - [49] Bob thinks they are on another offensive, but they don't understand they are really on the defensive Defending LV's space. It will not be good for their moral when they start losing ships, for nothing. I predict in a few weeks or months however long it will take, the coalitions will meet in Querious/Delve and BoB will be back in empire. --
Count Rayken Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss. tbh, I know 5-6 guys in my alliance who have stuck around, and have come out of AFK forever mode to fight BoB...its what they've been wating for for ages, and a few of them have said that their only goal in eve is to destroy them. IMO, they are just another alliance, dev help or not, that are a bunch of over inflated ego arse hats....who need to have their arses handed to them. Now its time... I iS tEh win
WilliamH Bonney Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:32:00 - [51] Honestly, my opinion on the matter is that there could be no greater thing for CCP then to have BoB and Allies lose this current "Eve Universal" war. Reason I say this: It will be easier for people (meaning Eve Pilots) to move on from the conducts of a certain Dev if BoB no longer exists. If BoB "wins," as in takes over TCF/RA/CA space (or give it to LV), people will continue to chant "It's only 'cuz you had Dev help." But, if BoB goes down, people will feel they got their just deserts and will move on. Then, just 'cuz the entity known as "BoB" is gone, that doesn't mean certain friendships and ties are. They will reform, probably into 2 or 3 different entities, and go back to playing the game like they always have. Taking over space, fighting wars, and recruiting carebears.
sweetheart Black Reign FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:06:00 - [52] Edited by: sweetheart on 13/02/2007 03:04:21 BoB / LV wont lose with all them Titans poping DDD's all over the place . POS wars suck ass This Game is starting to get boring in the sence that whoever can afford the most wins , it is not based on skill as much anymore imo.. My .0002 ISK worth .............................................. To Win is Everything
Marcusi Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Nope, it's scheduled to end this Friday at about 01:43 eve. Didn't you get the memo? ___________________________
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Fabienne Runestar Bob thinks they are on another offensive, but they don't understand they are really on the defensive Defending LV's space. I think they do understand this.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:55:00 - [55] Right now BoB is fighting two different wars atm. First is against their choise target in the form of Redswarm. The second war is D2 getting stoodup and/or insulted for the last time by BoB and going to fountian.
Orn Harakus Minmatar Blade of Laban Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Sonya Casiros Anyways I don't think I'm wrong in stating that the motivational root of the majority of BoB enemies is to help ensure EvE's survival as a game. If the Alliance who allegedly got outside, illegal help loses its war and disbands, it will go a long way to putting the dev interference issue to rest among the current playerbase. If BoB wins, many will think, "Whats the point? CCP obviously has their favorites and it isn't me. /unsubscribe." This is my first post on the EVE online forums, and though I cannot say that I know of the machinations of the 0.0 machines, I have this to say: If someone really thinks that a company that depends on everyone in the game for their paychecks is 'rigging' the game, I hope and encourage for you to leave.... The very thought of someone thinking that the Devs have any special preference for bob is mind-numbingly asinine, considering that the only confirmed allegations of any misconduct was one Dev giving himself a few BPO's. And yes, I know, one was for a saber. It's still no big deal. The only question is, if you're one of these people: Can I have your stuff? Insert comment about how these are my personal views here --- That's what she said!
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Wylker The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Best reason to get rid of BoB. Originally by: Wylker Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. BoB has stated repeatedly they want to conquer all of 0.0. Goonies might want to do so as well. That's a different matter for a different time. It's time for BoD to meet their destiny.
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:09:00 - [58] I'd be surprised if most alliances didn't at least have designs on someday running the entirity of 0.0. It's just not a realistic goal. If in a year or two that new alliance that just got created today conquers all of 0.0 they are still going to need tenants to maintain and hold their space for them. Meanwhile those pilots who they just ejected from their space aren't going to just disappear. Some of them will quit, sure, but there will be more than enough to form multiple alliances who themselves have designs on world domination and tenant corps are typically not as inclined to defend the space they are renting in as the actual owners. What makes this different from the China server is that while there are differences in quality between the alliances, there is enough bad blood and pilot experience with the game spread all throughout the playerbase that there will always be another challenger stepping up to the plate. Just thank God we don't play on the China server.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Dekiri Nonsense sorry to say it like that. People will move to other alliances and move on. Same with ASCN falling and with other entities that fell before. Some of the leaders might not want to play anymore, but the regular player within BoB after falling would move on and find a new home. Your confident... Originally by: Mecinia Lua I hope for the galaxies sake that BoB loses the war. Whether they will be fully destroyed is hard to say, I wouldn't be surprised to see it disband and some of the people move on while the others reband into a new alliance, wouldn't be the first time they've done that to try to get away from the past... Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week. ___________________________________________________________________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Jan Tjarks Are all ASCN Gone? There are no ASCN here. Move along.
Unknown Subject Sound of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:20:00 - [61] New tactics from FIX! The Guilt Trip!
Megan Maynard Minmatar RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:41:00 - [62] everyone is doing exactly what they wanted to do, gang up and dispose of bob. It's gonna happen eventually since it seems like anyone outside the deep south despises that alliance. the CCP crap wouldn't affect the outcome, it has just sped up the timeline that's all.
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:49:00 - [63] Originally by: Min Jita Problem as I see it is that no alliance can afford the POS required to control every station system in every region. A concerted effort by a large group of people could result in any station system being taken. Take GB- in Detorid, it will likely fall to RA but with 35+ deathstar POS in there can they afford to keep them fueled constantly if BOB et all manage to attack their home systems ? Many smaller alliances have kept many more POS's fueled for months and months on end. ;) I know, I did part of the fueling. Quote: Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ? * A little birdie tells me that far from banning them, they're actually going to integrate them into the ingame wallet... go figure. Quote: Will be very interesting but IMO the one who wins will be the one with the most ISK to finance it. Isk helps, but to a point you need sheer numbers. It doesn't work if you manage to save one system only to lose 2 others to simultaneous attacks. Quote: Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. Total bull**. Watch what happens as GS/RA and co take over space. I bet it melts from the large alliances and gets handed to other smaller alliances. Quote:** Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week. Some will stay allied, no doubt alot will return to their past conflicts.... um... so.. Alot will have new found respect for their former foes. Antares Fleet Yards AU / NZ / US / UK / EU PvP \| Mining \| 0.0 Life Join 'AFY' channel for questions.
Scav Silver Amarr	Posted - 2007.02.13 06:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Chirinako ...Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income?... Good.. Less Lag.. ------------------------------------------------------------- -=Baby Seal Killer=-
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:26:00 - [65] If we win we go back to pew pewin everybody, if we lose we go back to pew pewin everybody
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:44:00 - [66] The most dangerous thing that can happen to the "allied forces" is to destroy BOB completely, else your risking a new "total roaming force" which can strike at will with their power, with no homebase to hit them back at. Imagine outbreak with 100times more capabilities. Better to cripple BOB and let it die from within, ruining alot of the internal relationships that fuel them. ----------------------------------- "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:12:00 - [67] Originally by: Min Jita Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ? . Btw, you guys should already agree each other - are RA SELLS on Ebay or BUYS??? I mean, fueling these large deathstar POS's costs way more than you get from average 10/10 complex...
Ned Knut	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:49:00 - [68] If you think the lossers of this war will quit en masse, it would be becuase they love BoB more than Eve itself. I doubt the type of players that make up BoB will quit Eve at all then. The innovation they have shown so far, will come back in force within whatever they decided to do next. Highly skilled players in terms of SP and experience will be a force to be reckoned with even if they are operating in small ex BoB seperate entities. People quit the game and re start all the time, the outcome of this war will not increase or decrease how many decide to give up, which is what quiting is, giving up. I dont think the BoB mentality is a quiting one and they will still be here in years to come in one form or another. I think should they lose this, after a few months whilst things settle down, some of them will be pleased with the lack of responsibility and reputation they will then have. There will be alot of decent pilots out there for people to shoost with. It will be fun and Eve will be better off for it.
Akoudoulos Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:56:00 - [69] Alliances come and go, every day an alliance dies, thats the game

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:43:00 - [70] Removed some off topic posts, please refrain from talking about isk sales, and the recent dev misconduct. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us \| Wikipedia Entry They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Ned Knut	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:50:00 - [71] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Removed some off topic posts, please refrain from talking about isk sales, and the recent dev misconduct. So it's all true then
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:51:00 - [72] Originally by: R0ot Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week. Isn't that exactly their objective? None of the parties involved in the coalition against BoD intends to make Eve into Carebearland. If BoB gets beaten, of course the alliances fighting them will go back to fighting each other. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Beowulf scot	Posted - 2007.02.16 02:00:00 - [73] There is bound to be a few writers from the pc mags taking a look at eve due to the war and that will only encourage more people to join. I dont see anyone quiting just because their side lost, but if we start seeing articles in pcgamer with quotes from the forums saying that the only reason one side won was because of the devs helping then we can kiss goodbye to any new players and eventually eve-online.
Karrimdra FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 02:21:00 - [74] you got one half going "this is the challenge we wanted" the other half going "if we dont win, its clearly because ccp suck and bob devhax everything." If people cancel their subs because of a thought like that, then imo good riddance. CCP has stated what went on. CCP has dealt with it (whether you think it as severe enough or not, its happened). Fight the fight, enjoy the shooty pew shooty. Memberbase won't change that much, perhaps a chunk of evol will stop, perhaps goon will finally get bored and go lag someone else, w/e. wait and see. As for bob's doings now being "tainted", it is only tainted to the people who actually believe that they werent beaten by better players (which they were) and that they whole heartadly think that these guys actually hack, cheat and abuse /dev commands on a daily basis. Go play CS, you should feel right at home with your "hax'n'lies" mentality. From nothing to something in just one corp! http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/F4T4L/Karrimdra_Sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Beowulf scot	Posted - 2007.02.16 02:56:00 - [75] Edited by: Beowulf scot on 16/02/2007 02:54:41 I think maybe i didn't word that to well as what i meant to get over was that that what ever happened should be laid to rest and the forums kept to pew pew so that the gamer mags pic up on the war and not anything that taints eve-online.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:35:00 - [76] I actually have a good logical reason for being on the anti-BoB side. Well, I say good, but you know. It'll do Basically, look at the alliance map. Divide it into roughly two chunks- pro-BoB and anti-BoB. Compare them- notice that the pro-BoB chunk is almost entirely the deep blue of BoB itself, while the anti-BoB is the multi coloured excitement of god knows who. Now think about the two possible outcomes. On one hand, BoB can win. BoB will then be the singularly most powerful alliance in the game. They will have removed all major oposition- there will be no-one left for them to fight, and the other players in the game will be permanently out of options for fighting back. Thats pretty much game-over for EVE. On the other hand, the anti-BoB camp wins. The map will be split among 10, 15, 20 different alliances, and more. As soon as BoB are out of the way, life will continue- the politics will resume, people will start fighting each other again, other alliances will gain power, while other alliances will shrink, or be replaced by new blood. EVE carries on. From the perspective of a player, which world would I rather be in? The one dominated by an unbeatable superstate, or the one with the rich tapestry of politics, war and intrigue? No choice really. So I'm proud to be on the "Pro EVE" side of the war -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Angor Minmatar The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:48:00 - [77] What goes up must come down.. Read it as you will but this is the rule of life, even vitual life
Briareos Hecatonchires	Posted - 2007.02.16 03:57:00 - [78] Frankly this sort of war draws more subs--an epic battle involving so many people, such large amount of ships, capital fleet maneuvers, etc. I've had people who have never played ask me about the game because they read about the recent dev cheating issue, heard about some massive in-game war as a result of it, etc. Screenshots of these mothership wrecks, capital sieges, etc., will make any nerd's pants wet. m.
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.02.16 04:19:00 - [79] BOB can't lose. If they actually hold out against the coalition or whatever you call it they win, possibly winning EVE. If the coalition do prevail they will still claim a victory because it took so many to do it. BTW don't anyone suggest that I like BOB from my comments because if you do you don't know me in the least! Now back to the title of this thread the future of CCP will taken up with trying to work out a way to start the anti-blobbing PVP they hinted at or being working nonstop trying to counter the excessive lag that will be generated by the huge blob battles that are sure to happen. I can only cry at the thought of 1300 PPL that it's been said were in 1 fight earlier.
TheFonz	Posted - 2007.02.16 04:22:00 - [80] Potatoes are a good staple food. I also like them in pies I also think that their may be a scenerio that no one has considered yet where in a negotiated settlement is reached and semi-permanant line of control are draw. With trillions of ISK lost people might re-evaluate the value of PvP.
Accipiter Primus	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:38:00 - [81] This war, almost regardless of the outcome, is great news for CCP. 1 - The out of game media coverage ("Gamers take ingame action against a Dev misconduct - Total War") 2 - The ingame dynamics (Either way, there will be a redrawing of the boundries - space for grab) 3 - What a better lead into the factional warfare storyline that is progressing with Kali? 0.0 erupts into all out war and spreads to the 4 Empires. I think that this has kindled a ton of new enthusiasm and attention for the game which won't die away with the last shots of the current conflict. Apologies for staying on-topic.
Damir36 Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:34:00 - [82] The Problems I see have nothing to do with BOB or Anti BOB. Right now I question if a war at this scale is possible. Both sides can and will field incredibly large forces to this war. Right now it looks like if you can move enought of your Pilots in a system you have to defend, then the Force needed to take this system is so large the server can not handel it, Nodecrash or incredible Lag and no fight. This thought occured to me this morning when I read the Thread about the Nodecrashes yesterday and the lag I experienced while travelling to MC Space. So if you want to defend a system just stuff 500-600 Pilots in this system. The agressing Force then needs about the same amount amd the game becomes unplayable. Add bubbels, DDs, Drones, Fighters and all the tools of war CCP lets us play with and you get my drift. This is no complaint about an Lag/Nodecrashexploit. I would do the same if I had the ressources and Bob has the Manpower to field this number of Pilots. After a few Weeks of Lag and nodecrashes with no decent fights (Ship losses due to lag, petions, and so on) a lot of the Pilots will go home to their own Regions. my own thoughts, not my Corp/Ally, yadayada.... Grn¯e Damir Beware: German Link!:) Deutschprachige Piloten gesucht
Nicholas Barker Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:01:00 - [83] page 3 and no bob replys? somthing fishy going on here -------------------------------------
Sentar Manar Amarr NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:54:00 - [84] Now lets think outside the box of "When the war is over the Alliances will go back to killing each other". IT is likly to happen however for the sake of disscusion. There are still some fish to fry after Bob. (They will go down sooner or later this is how the community dispenses Justice.) There is the Privateer Alliance still out there gate camping Empire. They have made the fatal mistake of war decking and annoying many of the Alliances now fighting Bob. (Even rumors that they are keeping the war decks going with Bob money.) Also if Bob goes down and the Freindships hold nothing is stopping the Allied forces from gaining a large chunk of 0.0 space to share as plunder. Their may be minor skirmishes but it looks like there will become a new titanic money making machine. Building for the next war. Who know maybe to dissipline CCP we attack Concord.
TuRtLe HeAd The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:10:00 - [85] Territory comes and territory goes, its easy to get, its easy to keep, its easy to lose. thats the way of EvE. People leave over it but the majority stay. the implications of whats going on are hardly any different to anything thats ever happened in the last 4 years.
Riddari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:57:00 - [86] I think CCP are happy to see this grand war. They want to see more and smaller alliances, they don't like mega-alliances. Once the dust settles we will probably see multiple alliances rise up in regions currently covered by mega-alliances. ¼+¼ a history The fall of ASCN
fanii	Posted - 2007.02.17 03:44:00 - [87] Hi. First id like to admid that i havn't read all the posts in this theard but i dosn't change the fact that you only need to look at the real world to poke a stick through this. Sure if in case that the LV, BOB alliances fall some will quit the game but this wont effect CCP in any way. On another note, to explain what would happen if LV, BOB fall, you only need to look at the Isreal problem, most of the middle east have the common enemie, isreal, and aslong as isreal is there they will remain "friends". You only need to look at the historie of that area to know what im talking about. The second that their common enemie, isreal, is gone they will fight eachother. Thats a fact. English is only my second language and ontop of that I have had quiet a few beers b4 posting this. But the stated things above are facts of life, it will NOT couse any headaces for CCP. Personally i do hope that at one point in the, maybe, not so close future that the server will live up to its name "Tranqility"
Karch System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:52:00 - [88] I don't think BoB will ever "Win EVE". If this "uprising" isn't enough in itself, there are still plenty of Alliances out there, who under certain circumstances, would join the frey. History in real life is no different than in EVE. Every great Empire falls, eventually. BoB will someday fall, and we will be back to lots and lots of small Alliances. Then, Alliances will merge, fight each other, and we will get 1-2 huge Alliances. Its just a recurring circle. Besides, everyone is calling this Eve War I. By labeling it that, surely there will be Eve War II in the future. :) Bottom line: This conflict isn't going to "kill" EVE. ---------
Chirinako Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:56:00 - [89] Originally by: Damir36 The Problems I see have nothing to do with BOB or Anti BOB. Right now I question if a war at this scale is possible. Both sides can and will field incredibly large forces to this war. Right now it looks like if you can move enought of your Pilots in a system you have to defend, then the Force needed to take this system is so large the server can not handel it, Nodecrash or incredible Lag and no fight. This thought occured to me this morning when I read the Thread about the Nodecrashes yesterday and the lag I experienced while travelling to MC Space. So if you want to defend a system just stuff 500-600 Pilots in this system. The agressing Force then needs about the same amount amd the game becomes unplayable. Add bubbels, DDs, Drones, Fighters and all the tools of war CCP lets us play with and you get my drift. This is no complaint about an Lag/Nodecrashexploit. I would do the same if I had the ressources and Bob has the Manpower to field this number of Pilots. After a few Weeks of Lag and nodecrashes with no decent fights (Ship losses due to lag, petions, and so on) a lot of the Pilots will go home to their own Regions. my own thoughts, not my Corp/Ally, yadayada.... That's a very valid point. There's been 3 or 4 fleet battles in Querious lately with about a 3rd of the numbers you're talking about and my screen has taken 20-30 seconds to load, and after that it's about 1fps. Fleet battles are beginning to **** me off due to this, no doubt our opposition feel the same.

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