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Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:09:00 - [31] Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 I don't see this war lasting long, most alliance involved are either on paper thin naps, don't have much stamina (the north) and/or don't work together. On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, the only way they will lose if they die from the inside which won't happen knowing how close their command is. Most people will start to give up after a month with very little progress. Now lets say they did lose all their space it would only be a few minutes before everyone breaks their NAP's and start fighting each other in which BoB can easily retake their space. All in all I can't see the north fighting for 3+ months way beyond supply lines, BoB have a big home court advantage if you ask me. And to awnser the main question, no I can't see many quitting. ----------
Wayward Hooligan Gallente SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:27:00 - [32] If BoD loses the devs and GM's will just give them back their space and ships and ban anyone who cries foul. YARRR!!!
SPQRMocton Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:30:00 - [33] Please snip above comment not close the thread all opinoins expressed by me are MINE and do not reflect anyone elses opinion
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:32:00 - [34] The problem i see, is that you cannot actually defeat BoB. In the same sense that BoB has discovered they can't defeat the Goons. We can drive them out of their space and into empire, where they will stay until everything calms down, at which point we will see them come back again. They may shed some players, but i don't see them likely to break up like ASCN did, if we believe that they will we are kidding ourselves. A legend in my own mind
Swedde Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 I don't see this war lasting long, most alliance involved are either on paper thin naps, don't have much stamina (the north) and/or don't work together. On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, the only way they will lose if they die from the inside which won't happen knowing how close their command is. Most people will start to give up after a month with very little progress. Now lets say they did lose all their space it would only be a few minutes before everyone breaks their NAP's and start fighting each other in which BoB can easily retake their space. All in all I can't see the north fighting for 3+ months way beyond supply lines, BoB have a big home court advantage if you ask me. And to awnser the main question, no I can't see many quitting. Yep totally agree with this.. I think a larger threat to losing player base will have more to do with ill and badly introduced features within the game - if it becomes to "hard" to understand and too diverse it will feel overwhelming and difficult to play.. Remember those C64 shootÆem up games, very simple but sooo entertaining.. (at least I thought so at the time) DomDiDiDomDom...
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.12 20:54:00 - [36] - If Bob win: tbh I don't see them winning against so many people. They can wreack unimaginable havoc, but conquer and hold all of 0.0? Not going to happen... - If Bob lose: most probable is that they'll pack in empire to take a breathing, then roam the hell out of the galaxy, and launch an invasion when the anti-bob coalition will let it's guard down. Less probable, would be that Bob's members leave and join other alliances, or that Bob split in several smaller entites. This would be the best for the health of 0.0 politics, because in any game, one entity that "does anything to win", truely is a cancer, the kind that kill a game over years... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Calenth Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Xeliya Edited by: Xeliya on 12/02/2007 20:06:29 On the other hand BoB has stamina unlike anyone else, . I think you should check over your alliance list again. Hint: look for the cyrillic.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:10:00 - [38] A few scenarios: BoB loses: They fall back to empire, regroup, find a weak 0.0 spot to conquer, begin expanding their borders again. or They fall back to empire, shed some members, become a lean roaming force with no real home. BoB wins: They say "GF", fall back to Delve for a month to regroup, begin expanding their borders again. or They say, "screw this", we're going to POTBS.
Min Jita Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:27:00 - [39] 2 choices BOB win or beat the bandwagoners back to their own space and the south remains as it was a month or so back with LV/GOONS/RA/TCF/CA etc shooting the **** out of each other and forgetting the POS thing (which IMO kills the game for anyone who has to fuel and do whatever needs to be done to the POS) BOB lose or get beaten back to a few systems. They will regroup and attack from that to recover their space. Problem as I see it is that no alliance can afford the POS required to control every station system in every region. A concerted effort by a large group of people could result in any station system being taken. Take GB- in Detorid, it will likely fall to RA but with 35+ deathstar POS in there can they afford to keep them fueled constantly if BOB et all manage to attack their home systems ? Can Goons continue to have major number of losses but not massive ISK per loss ? What i mean is that can they raise enough finance to cover the POS costs while maintaining the losses they are currently having (2 or 3m per loss isnt much but when you lose a large amount it does mount up. Can they cover the war bonds that they have issued ? Will they suffer if as expected CCP ban GTC for ISK sales ? Can LV hold their space under overwhelming odds ? Who knows but with BOB as friends it will be easier than alone. They have shown they can hold multiple systems but look like losing at least one before the war is over. Will be very interesting but IMO the one who wins will be the one with the most ISK to finance it.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Chirinako I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. I hope so.

Wylker Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Wylker on 12/02/2007 21:46:04 Everyone seems to forget what the real travesty would be here. BoB does their thing etc, but if you look at their relationship with their renters (or whatever you want to call them), in general they are not a conquor you and lock you down in chains type of alliance. The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. I hope that the coalition assigned against Bob can look around and see who their allies are, you may be fighting the only two groups that keep the game you love enjoyable for you.
CyberChick The Ghost Riders Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Bob and allies are not the reason why I play the game, if it was I would join BOB! The game existed before bob and it will exist long after bob are a distant memory. Remember not all wars have anything to do with Bob/Fix etc, Ragoons vs lv was going on long before bob put their foot in..
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.02.12 22:06:00 - [43] Don't be Stupid ! Unless there is an alternative game for EVE , noone will quit. EVE is the only space simulation/trade with pvp freedom out in MMORPG world. If someone leaves because they lost the war, it means they do not wish to play MMORPG anymore. Because there is no better game out there...
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Xeliya interesting thoughts I have to disagree tho. NPC regions and dreads with 5+ t2 cargo expanders and cargo expander rigs make most of what you said moot. And I think you misjudge what will happen if renters do loose BoB systems. BoB looses monthly income OR they will loose isk into recapturing their NPC stations. Lets just hope t20 didn't spawn an endless supply of large towers for BoB too. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Wylker the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. Ra lets quite a few smaller alliances and corporations use their space. Back when i lived in curse there where a **** load of other russian and polish corps running around the south doing their own thing. ----- $Forum + $Bob + $Devs == $ForumPostCount+++++;
Niaski Zalani Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:43:00 - [46] I don't think the outcome of the current wars will have much effect on CCP. Why should it?
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:50:00 - [47] Personally i believe the trend of this war will be set if the LV titan survives. It will certainly give either side a massive boost. ----
Sargonius Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 12/02/2007 21:46:04 Everyone seems to forget what the real travesty would be here. BoB does their thing etc, but if you look at their relationship with their renters (or whatever you want to call them), in general they are not a conquor you and lock you down in chains type of alliance. The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. Now, I expect the large alliances simply tolerate the goons and that in general they mean nothing to the game right now. However, within a year, they have a stated goal of fielding a 200-300 man Dread fleet. THAT would be a problem. Of all the other players, the only other group that I can see that wants to run everything and not let others have their piece is R-A. I hope that the coalition assigned against Bob can look around and see who their allies are, you may be fighting the only two groups that keep the game you love enjoyable for you. You re so wrong hehe . You need to get to know goon and RA better Just my 2isk
Fabienne Runestar Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:42:00 - [49] Bob thinks they are on another offensive, but they don't understand they are really on the defensive Defending LV's space. It will not be good for their moral when they start losing ships, for nothing. I predict in a few weeks or months however long it will take, the coalitions will meet in Querious/Delve and BoB will be back in empire. --
Count Rayken Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:27:00 - [50] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I was thinking earlier about the outcome of the current war that everyone is talking about. With pretty much every major alliance involved some way or another, I got to thinking about the long term effects for CCP as well as the alliances involved. I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Anyway, in a scenario that Bob and allies lose, and lose all of their territory, can weexpect to see mass subscription cancellations because people would have no reason to play Eve anymore? In that scenario, how do you think CCP would react? Do you think it would be serious enough to make a noticable difference on CCP's income? Scenario would be the same if it was Bob+Allies attacking the north, just a little thing to think about and discuss. tbh, I know 5-6 guys in my alliance who have stuck around, and have come out of AFK forever mode to fight BoB...its what they've been wating for for ages, and a few of them have said that their only goal in eve is to destroy them. IMO, they are just another alliance, dev help or not, that are a bunch of over inflated ego arse hats....who need to have their arses handed to them. Now its time... I iS tEh win

WilliamH Bonney Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:32:00 - [51] Honestly, my opinion on the matter is that there could be no greater thing for CCP then to have BoB and Allies lose this current "Eve Universal" war. Reason I say this: It will be easier for people (meaning Eve Pilots) to move on from the conducts of a certain Dev if BoB no longer exists. If BoB "wins," as in takes over TCF/RA/CA space (or give it to LV), people will continue to chant "It's only 'cuz you had Dev help." But, if BoB goes down, people will feel they got their just deserts and will move on. Then, just 'cuz the entity known as "BoB" is gone, that doesn't mean certain friendships and ties are. They will reform, probably into 2 or 3 different entities, and go back to playing the game like they always have. Taking over space, fighting wars, and recruiting carebears.
sweetheart Black Reign FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:06:00 - [52] Edited by: sweetheart on 13/02/2007 03:04:21 BoB / LV wont lose with all them Titans poping DDD's all over the place . POS wars suck ass This Game is starting to get boring in the sence that whoever can afford the most wins , it is not based on skill as much anymore imo.. My .0002 ISK worth .............................................. To Win is Everything
Marcusi Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Chirinako Edited by: Chirinako on 12/02/2007 18:44:43 I don't see this war ending soon, I see this being a long, drawn out conflict fought allover the south of Eve. Nope, it's scheduled to end this Friday at about 01:43 eve. Didn't you get the memo? ___________________________
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Fabienne Runestar Bob thinks they are on another offensive, but they don't understand they are really on the defensive Defending LV's space. I think they do understand this.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:55:00 - [55] Right now BoB is fighting two different wars atm. First is against their choise target in the form of Redswarm. The second war is D2 getting stoodup and/or insulted for the last time by BoB and going to fountian.
Orn Harakus Minmatar Blade of Laban Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Sonya Casiros Anyways I don't think I'm wrong in stating that the motivational root of the majority of BoB enemies is to help ensure EvE's survival as a game. If the Alliance who allegedly got outside, illegal help loses its war and disbands, it will go a long way to putting the dev interference issue to rest among the current playerbase. If BoB wins, many will think, "Whats the point? CCP obviously has their favorites and it isn't me. /unsubscribe." This is my first post on the EVE online forums, and though I cannot say that I know of the machinations of the 0.0 machines, I have this to say: If someone really thinks that a company that depends on everyone in the game for their paychecks is 'rigging' the game, I hope and encourage for you to leave.... The very thought of someone thinking that the Devs have any special preference for bob is mind-numbingly asinine, considering that the only confirmed allegations of any misconduct was one Dev giving himself a few BPO's. And yes, I know, one was for a saber. It's still no big deal. The only question is, if you're one of these people: Can I have your stuff? Insert comment about how these are my personal views here --- That's what she said!
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Wylker The worst thing that could happen on TQ is what has happened on Serenity, a single alliance controls all of 0.0 and no one else gets to play. Best reason to get rid of BoB. Originally by: Wylker Now, out of everyone involved in this war, there is only 1 group whos stated goals are to take over the game and ruin it for other people: Goonswarm. They have done it in other games, and they want to do it to Eve. BoB has stated repeatedly they want to conquer all of 0.0. Goonies might want to do so as well. That's a different matter for a different time. It's time for BoD to meet their destiny.
Degaal Valen Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:09:00 - [58] I'd be surprised if most alliances didn't at least have designs on someday running the entirity of 0.0. It's just not a realistic goal. If in a year or two that new alliance that just got created today conquers all of 0.0 they are still going to need tenants to maintain and hold their space for them. Meanwhile those pilots who they just ejected from their space aren't going to just disappear. Some of them will quit, sure, but there will be more than enough to form multiple alliances who themselves have designs on world domination and tenant corps are typically not as inclined to defend the space they are renting in as the actual owners. What makes this different from the China server is that while there are differences in quality between the alliances, there is enough bad blood and pilot experience with the game spread all throughout the playerbase that there will always be another challenger stepping up to the plate. Just thank God we don't play on the China server.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Dekiri Nonsense sorry to say it like that. People will move to other alliances and move on. Same with ASCN falling and with other entities that fell before. Some of the leaders might not want to play anymore, but the regular player within BoB after falling would move on and find a new home. Your confident... Originally by: Mecinia Lua I hope for the galaxies sake that BoB loses the war. Whether they will be fully destroyed is hard to say, I wouldn't be surprised to see it disband and some of the people move on while the others reband into a new alliance, wouldn't be the first time they've done that to try to get away from the past... Id actually love to see how long the coalition forces stay "allies" for if they win, id say all of 1 week. ___________________________________________________________________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Jan Tjarks Are all ASCN Gone? There are no ASCN here. Move along.



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