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Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:51:00 - [1] I'm been swindled on a contract. I've a vindicator for sale. Pvp'er contacted me and said me that he'll buy it at buyout price (1B). He said me that to lower taxes, i've to made a private auction contract to his corp (pvp'er corp), starting bid 1M and buyout of 1B. I know that I'm a noob, but i've done it. Now he has already done a bid, so i can't cancel theauction. But it's a swindle, he'll never take the buyout, so i only want to cancel my contract! This is the chat we had: PVP'er > hey Decimo Meridio > hi PVP'er > i will take the buyout on your vindicator Decimo Meridio > ok, can we meet in stacmon in 5 minutes? PVP'er > i'm down in 0.0 atm PVP'er > could you setup a private auction for me, can claim it that way Decimo Meridio > ok. give me 5 min ^^ PVP'er > min bid something like a mil, buyout 1 bil. No tax either then PVP'er > needs to be set to my corp by the way. Doesn't work setting it to a player Decimo Meridio > so i set it to pvp'er corp? PVP'er > yes PVP'er > they should change it so you can set it to a player really Decimo Meridio > but yesterday i was able to set a contract to a single person, so where is the problem? PVP'er > with auction it has to be corp PVP'er > as i said ccp really do need to add an option to set it to a player Decimo Meridio > so, if i make a item exchange contract, there are taxes, instead with auction, and you take the buyout, not PVP'er > i can't claim the item exchange from 0.0 Decimo Meridio > ok, i'm in stacmon PVP'er > downside is taxes with auction, so just set min 1 mil, buyout 1 bil PVP'er > got all the officer fittings for it already, just need the ship itself :) PVP'er > are you still here ? Decimo Meridio > yes, done PVP'er > great, i will claim it asap PVP'er > thank you, been wanting this ship for a long time Decimo Meridio > <url=contract:30003794//783325>Vindicator</url> PVP'er > cya Please, at least I want to cancel my order!
Ikvar The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:52:00 - [2] You're an idiot. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Eardianm	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Eardianm on 12/02/2007 23:49:53 Wow, this is popping up all the time it seems. You're screwed, of course. Do people really stop and think thru what they are agreeing to? Rhetorical question.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:54:00 - [4] Is there even a tutorial for the contracts bit? -------- If I hear another "dev cheat i quit game now" whine im gonna shoot an orphan.
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:54:00 - [5] Edited by: Tammarr on 12/02/2007 23:53:05 Edited by: Tammarr on 12/02/2007 23:51:34 No they dont... upcoming boxbuster: 'for a few isk more' a thriller involving a <scratch>honest</scratch> greedy trader, his client and a taxman.
Damionte	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:55:00 - [6] Sucks to be you dude. Even the tutorial warns you not to fall for this kind of thing. Way out is to buy it from yourself. If you have 1 billion out bit him, yo'll pay yourself so the money comes back to you. You'll lose a bit on the tax but won't lose the whole thing.
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Damionte Sucks to be you dude. Even the tutorial warns you not to fall for this kind of thing. Way out is to buy it from yourself. If you have 1 billion out bit him, yo'll pay yourself so the money comes back to you. You'll lose a bit on the tax but won't lose the whole thing. I can't make bid, it's a private contract. Or there is a way i can?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:57:00 - [8] 1) Originally by: Ikvar You're an idiot. 2) Scams are legitiment, this one should have been blatently obvious from the start 3) what is someone who doesn't know this doing with a vindicator? __________________________
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Damionte Sucks to be you dude. Even the tutorial warns you not to fall for this kind of thing. Way out is to buy it from yourself. If you have 1 billion out bit him, yo'll pay yourself so the money comes back to you. You'll lose a bit on the tax but won't lose the whole thing. he cant outbid him, he wrote it as a private auction. I.E. only that guy and his corp can bid on it. Since its probably a 1 player corp, the guy is screwed. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:00:00 - [10] Please keep it civil and polite guys. The Aussie Mod

Halada Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:04:00 - [11] Sorry, but you just got scammed. Click on my sig to read it !
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:05:00 - [12] Yes, but CCp can't do nothing? I only want to cancel that order...
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:05:00 - [13] Edited by: DubanFP on 13/02/2007 00:02:20 Originally by: Decimo Meridio Yes, but CCp can't do nothing? I only want to cancel that order... They could, but that wouldn't be fair to the scammer now would it? Oh, that and i thought posting chatlogs was against forum rules __________________________
Halada Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:08:00 - [14] CCP won't help you no, I am sorry. They "support" scams like this. It's part of the game. Click on my sig to read it !
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Decimo Meridio I'm been swindled on a contract. I've a vindicator for sale. Pvp'er contacted me and said me that he'll buy it at buyout price (1B). He said me that to lower taxes, i've to made a private auction contract to his corp (pvp'er corp), starting bid 1M and buyout of 1B. I know that I'm a noob, but i've done it. Now he has already done a bid, so i can't cancel theauction. But it's a swindle, he'll never take the buyout, so i only want to cancel my contract! This is the chat we had: chat edited Please, at least I want to cancel my order!
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:10:00 - [16] Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Decimo Meridio Yes, but CCp can't do nothing? I only want to cancel that order... They could, but that wouldn't be fair to the scammer now would it? Oh, that and i thought posting chatlogs was against forum rules Oh that and posting pics on instead of links to pics. How did you get vindicator without knowing all this again? __________________________
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:15:00 - [17] just buyed a bpc to sell it :-(
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:15:00 - [18] Edited by: DubanFP on 13/02/2007 00:13:18 Originally by: Decimo Meridio just buyed a bpc to sell it :-( You're not getting it, the question was how can you have that much isk and still be a total and completel newb "without using Ebay" __________________________
Fabienne Runestar Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:16:00 - [19] Yeah you've gotten swindled. :P Probably a dev alt... --
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:19:00 - [20] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 13/02/2007 00:13:18 Originally by: Decimo Meridio just buyed a bpc to sell it :-( You're not getting it, the question was how can you have that much isk and still be a total and completel newb "without using Ebay" You right :-( I've that much isk, but never set up a contract
Lance Hawke New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:25:00 - [21] Haha, owned.
Ralara Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:30:00 - [22] You have 6 days. Join a corp in Privateer Alliance, and get them to camp the station where it is. Blow it up when he undocks - get your corp to put him in your address book so you know when he's online. That's... about all I can think of. That really really is a horrible situation :(
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:33:00 - [23] It costs 10k ISK to make a private item exchange. There are no taxes. You fell for it through greed (imo). Someone offered clearly more than your bpc was worth and you let avarice stand in the way of good judgement.
Decimo Meridio	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:37:00 - [24] Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch It costs 10k ISK to make a private item exchange. There are no taxes. You fell for it through greed (imo). Someone offered clearly more than your bpc was worth and you let avarice stand in the way of good judgement. 10k + 1%, so 10M
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Decimo Meridio Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch It costs 10k ISK to make a private item exchange. There are no taxes. You fell for it through greed (imo). Someone offered clearly more than your bpc was worth and you let avarice stand in the way of good judgement. 10k + 1%, so 10M when i did a >13b contract to someone i paid only 10k
Mack Dorgeans Camelot Innovations	Posted - 2007.02.13 01:36:00 - [26] PVP'er also tried this scam on me a little while ago. My corpmate had someone (possibly the same guy) attempt it with him earlier in the day. Frankly, if CCP doesn't feel requests for private auctions aren't an exploit, then perhaps everyone should go around trying to use it. It's only going to get worse regardless until CCP closes the loophole that allows it. Funny how people used to think Escrow was a home for scammers and a new system would fix things. It just goes to show that as long as scams are allowed, people who are too lazy to actually play the game right will continue finding ways to cheat others.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:04:00 - [27] Just use the contracts that are for what you need. You are NOT auctioning the item to the guy, so what possesses you to create an auction contract? Use item exchange because it's the one that makes sense. In eve, you need to suspect everything. Especially if it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, and tastes like a duck because it's probably not a hamburger.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 13/02/2007 02:33:58 Originally by: Decimo Meridio Edited by: Decimo Meridio on 13/02/2007 00:04:45 I'm been swindled on a contract. I've a vindicator for sale. Pvp'er contacted me and said me that he'll buy it at buyout price (1B). He said me that to lower taxes, i've to made a private auction contract to his corp (pvp'er corp), starting bid 1M and buyout of 1B. I know that I'm a noob, but i've done it. Now he has already done a bid, so i can't cancel theauction. But it's a swindle, he'll never take the buyout, so i only want to cancel my contract! This is the chat we had: Please, at least I want to cancel my order! http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7945/contrattopt4.jpg http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4600/pvperdl9.jpg So sorry mate...but you have been scammed the legit way. Someone tried the same on me, almost identical speech about tax and private auction. I politely told them that if they could afford to buy the rather expensive faction item, then they could afford to pay the tax I also noticed his employ history..1 month old and buying Navy items... They gave me some ** about having sold their main blah blah and were starting out again I then offered my left nut for them to suck on Edit: p-oo-p is censored I should have used a ruder word Tears will stream down your face, when you lose something you can not replace**
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.13 02:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Please keep it civil and polite guys. Can I lol at the OP for being a TooL?
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:00:00 - [30] This also reminds me of the guy selling a dread invul field... Now, I'am talking, looking for deals, notice this one in corp(noob corp(yes I know, dirty me)) and well I takeup convo with him. Seem like a nice guy. Now he wanted quick money selling this thing and last time I sold a dg invul they were in the 300-330 range. He says: worth 250-300m? I smile and figure I can possibly make a decent enough markup if they are still up there, seems like they are. At this point I say: Alright I'll take it, contract it to me or do you want me to come meet you for direct trade. Well DTrade aint possible he is out somewhere so I say 'ok contract it then' adding: 'item exchange type' a few seconds later. Guess what... the contractz wouldnt work for him he would relog and comeback to me later... he never did...
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.02.13 03:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Decimo Meridio Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch It costs 10k ISK to make a private item exchange. There are no taxes. You fell for it through greed (imo). Someone offered clearly more than your bpc was worth and you let avarice stand in the way of good judgement. 10k + 1%, so 10M I'm sorry, I didnt make myself clear the first time. I'll try again in a way you may understand. IT COSTS 10K ISK TO MAKE A PRIVATE ITEM EXCHANGE. THERE ARE NO TAXES. I hope that was clearer.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.13 04:35:00 - [32] for future im dumb types if youre going to make a contract private set the minimum at the buyout or say 1.00 B min and 1.01B buyout This scam is nailing a lot of peeps oh well should do the tutorials and know better. Good luck i guess to the scammers
Blue Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:03:00 - [33] While fooling around with Contracts, I've come across the option to 'delete' them. Try playing around under 'My Contracts', and setting to 'issued by' 'me' 'outstanding' and whatever to get your contract to show up on that window. Right click that, and hopefully you get the 'delete' option. Not on EVE atm, so not really sure.
BluOrange Gallente New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Blue Dawn While fooling around with Contracts, I've come across the option to 'delete' them. Try playing around under 'My Contracts', and setting to 'issued by' 'me' 'outstanding' and whatever to get your contract to show up on that window. Right click that, and hopefully you get the 'delete' option. Not on EVE atm, so not really sure. You can't delete a contract that's in any status other than 'outstanding' - once someone has bid on an auction, it changes status. Private auctions are not an exploit. If you wanted to sell something to someone from your own corp, or an allied corp and wanted to get the best price you could for it, that's a legitimate use of a private auction. But never set the minimum bid on an auction to less than the lowest price you're willing to accept. It really is that simple.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 05:52:00 - [35] I personally feel bad for the OP. But, I also think that the scammer getting what he worked for. Tough luck mate, and my condolences on loosing the battleship to this; but this is how this game is. I hope you will be able to recover from your loss. Good Luck.
maximus babbarus Freelance Economics Astrological resources	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:06:00 - [36] this may sound contravercial but you had it coming to you. a guy tryed this with me yesterday and i was chatting away seeing the isk and what i would spend it on in my head filling out the contract and it hit me... *MINUMUM BID OF 1MIL ISK* then it clicked he will put a mil on it and wait the time out, and all my crying in the world wouldnt stop it. up till that point i had not heared of this scam as i havnt really gotten into selling on contract just buying. but +oz of commancence could have saved you, if you lacked it or were to busy thinking isk isk and more isk, yo deserved it in my opinion, not to mention having that much isk as a new player cough ALT cough or cough E-bay cough Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Masochistic Cannibal Amarr 3M Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:26:00 - [37] Social engineering is not a crime in EvE ! Sorry to the Op, But your screwed mate. You just lost a Vindi Cannibal I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame]
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:56:00 - [38] That must suck to lose a Faction BS without even getting a fight... Next time you want to evade tax make a direct trade - Item Exchange is 4tw it seems with very low tax... Pinky
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Decimo Meridio Edited by: Decimo Meridio on 13/02/2007 00:04:45 I'm been swindled on a contract. I've a vindicator for sale. Pvp'er contacted me and said me that he'll buy it at buyout price (1B). He said me that to lower taxes, i've to made a private auction contract to his corp (pvp'er corp), starting bid 1M and buyout of 1B. I know that I'm a noob, but i've done it. Now he has already done a bid, so i can't cancel theauction. But it's a swindle, he'll never take the buyout, so i only want to cancel my contract! This is the chat we had: Please, at least I want to cancel my order! http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7945/contrattopt4.jpg http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4600/pvperdl9.jpg Sorry, you're not in BoD. You won't get reimbursed.
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.02.13 08:41:00 - [40] 1. Use Item Exchange contracts when doing an item exchange. 2. Seller pays taxes, not buyer. 3. Private Item Exchange contract costs only 10k isk in taxes. 4. If you make an auction that only one corp can bid on with a start of 1m isk... what did you expect? Those are 4 simple bits of common sense you ignored.

Oveur	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Ionia 1. Use Item Exchange contracts when doing an item exchange. 2. Seller pays taxes, not buyer. 3. Private Item Exchange contract costs only 10k isk in taxes. 4. If you make an auction that only one corp can bid on with a start of 1m isk... what did you expect? Those are 4 simple bits of common sense you ignored. This will be addressed in Revelations 1.4. Till then, this is a valid game mechanic and the only thing I can recommend is that you do as Ionia says. Senior Producer EVE Online

Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:07:00 - [42] How about you apply to join that corp with an alt then bid on it yourself? Or contact someone else in that corp and make a deal with them if they help you out? Or hire some mercs and wardec that corp? For the cost of the 1 billion you are losing you could inflict some serious damage in response. This is a pvp game you know Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Ionia 1. Use Item Exchange contracts when doing an item exchange. 2. Seller pays taxes, not buyer. 3. Private Item Exchange contract costs only 10k isk in taxes. 4. If you make an auction that only one corp can bid on with a start of 1m isk... what did you expect? Those are 4 simple bits of common sense you ignored. This will be addressed in Revelations 1.4. Till then, this is a valid game mechanic and the only thing I can recommend is that you do as Ionia says. do we have an eta and what fix is being applied in 1.4 rev patch
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Ifni on 13/02/2007 09:40:52 Word on the grapevine, Entity lost the Silver Magnate being sold here through the exact same mechanic, although it was his own oversight that allowed it to occur. Also, Oveur's a pimp. ¼_¼ You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
thesulei Syndicate Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.13 09:47:00 - [45] Afaik, Entity got scammed out of a Silver Magnate the same way...a lot bigger loss than your vindicator.
FalconHawk Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:33:00 - [46] make it easy, ppl should be able to cancel the contracts but then apply a 5% fee for stupidity of the current highest bid or auction value. this way you will have only a small loss, it¦s still your fault to set up the stupid contract and you have something to think about
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.02.13 10:52:00 - [47] oopsies.. ^_^ King Liu is RIGHT!!
Digioso Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.13 11:06:00 - [48] Social engineering - because theres no patches to human stu.. err intalligenca! -------------------------------------- Mess with the best, die like the rest.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:40:00 - [49] Heh some idiot tried this on me, I just gave him the link to the item exchange and told him if he wanted it I would pay the taxes. He logged off and shortly after a new character with a slightly similar name appeared in local. I just love that CCP enforce the letter of the rules and not the spirit. But what can you do about it? sgb
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Mack Dorgeans It just goes to show that as long as scams are allowed, people who are too lazy to actually play the game right will continue finding ways to cheat others. STFU noob. The scammer is playing the game right. And he is apparently damn good at it. As for the OP, PWNED!!!!11one LMAO I mean, wow, I love this trick. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! No such thing as griefing in Eve
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.16 12:49:00 - [51] i think the scammer is quite ok at this time - congrats to the scammer to anyone else reading this take the lesson of the unfornate soul who got scammed and dont fall for it
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:00:00 - [52] Originally by: smallgreenblur Heh some idiot tried this on me, I just gave him the link to the item exchange and told him if he wanted it I would pay the taxes. He logged off and shortly after a new character with a slightly similar name appeared in local. I just love that CCP enforce the letter of the rules and not the spirit. But what can you do about it? sgb Problem is, once they start legislating these things and arbitrating over them they get flooded with vast numbers of endless petitions about it. And at the end of the day things like this can be easily avoided by players. Never trust a stranger and always look for the trap. If the great offer walks through the door be wary. Tbh though I'm not sure why ppl don't just use direct trading more often. You put your item in the box, they put their isk in and you can both clearly see what you're getting. And if you don't like it you just don't click ok. For a 1bill trade I'd make the special trip to meet the guy in person.
PVP'er	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:05:00 - [53] Thank you, thank you. My profits from this type of scam have now passed the 6 billion isk point
Polemos	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:40:00 - [54] This sort of thing, in any other game that I have played, would be seen as an exploit and addressed by the devs in short order. That said, this is Eve. A lot of tremendously sleazy people play this game (no offense sleazebags), and exploit the hyper-complexity of Eve to trick the unimformed (which is the vast majority of the playerbase). It is sad to hear events like this where something so simple is used to rob a player of the profits of months (years?) of gameplay. Based upon other experiences, this event is likely to lead to the op closing his account and moving on. I'm glad to hear this exploit (and it really is, whether CCP wants to call it that or not) is being dealt with in 1.4.
Mortok Tristan	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:44:00 - [55] Just stop using the contract window, everyone else uses direct trade.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Polemos This sort of thing, in any other game that I have played, would be seen as an exploit and addressed by the devs in short order. That said, this is Eve. A lot of tremendously sleazy people play this game (no offense sleazebags), and exploit the hyper-complexity of Eve to trick the unimformed (which is the vast majority of the playerbase). It is sad to hear events like this where something so simple is used to rob a player of the profits of months (years?) of gameplay. Based upon other experiences, this event is likely to lead to the op closing his account and moving on. I'm glad to hear this exploit (and it really is, whether CCP wants to call it that or not) is being dealt with in 1.4. Sleazy? Exploit? Umm, no. Eve does not protect you from your own stupidity or inability to play the game. It is exactly this which makes Eve great. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! No such thing as griefing in Eve
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.16 13:56:00 - [57] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 16/02/2007 13:53:58 Oveur, how exactly do you plan to fix this? 1. You can ruin some of the last useful things left with contracts - "standing-based" auctions that only allow bidders you like (corp / alliance). 2. You can finally introduce taxes to private auctions, reducing the pain stupid people feel because they got scammed trying to evade something that actually exists. (and ruin contracts for the last remaining people who actually use it) 3. ??? 4. You cannot patch human stupidity, so whats your solution? As for the sploit-criers. Wrong alliance ticker ... The OP tried to "exploit" - by avoiding taxes. Why are you moralists not flaming him? Too bad there arent any taxes though.
Oscar Clay	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:33:00 - [58] Holy hell dude; how on earth did you manage to fall for a scam so extravagantly obvious? Hell, I'm hesitant to even call it a scam; he basically just said "hay can i have that billion isk ship for free" and you said "LOL OK" and now you're going "WTF HAX". I think there are molluscs who wouldn't have fallen for that.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Araxmas Is there even a tutorial for the contracts bit? Good thing private contracts are still BORKED for me so that can't happen to me ... since nobody (including my alts) can see ANY private contracts I make. Thanks CCP for protecting me from my myself in such elaborate ways. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
sugark Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Good thing private contracts are still BORKED for me so that can't happen to me ... since nobody (including my alts) can see ANY private contracts I make. Thanks CCP for protecting me from my myself in such elaborate ways. Workaround for this is finding the contract on the list with the character that made it and then drag it into an eve-mail or chat. From there it can be accessed by whoever it was issued to. ___________________________________________________ Thank you Annya Avishnaya for my awesome sig! <3
Ilea Celentay Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:47:00 - [61] Originally by: PVP'er Thank you, thank you. My profits from this type of scam have now passed the 6 billion isk point See, scamming is funny for the best part. It takes some skill to openly scam people out of that much isk, even the most 'innocent'. But as I know a lot of people will agree, the worst part of it is simply that your an alt who doesn't take responsibility for the actions you do. No one can get 'revenge' since you don't leave the stations and you likely have near no skills but contract ones. That's where the problem is... that where you become a sad player Faction Ship Info \|\| Rig Factory
Oscar Clay	Posted - 2007.02.16 14:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Thanks CCP for protecting me from my myself in such elaborate ways. Well, to be fair, a lot of players need to be protected from themselves. As we've already seen in this thread.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:04:00 - [63] Edited by: c0rn1 on 16/02/2007 15:01:45 Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Ionia 1. Use Item Exchange contracts when doing an item exchange. 2. Seller pays taxes, not buyer. 3. Private Item Exchange contract costs only 10k isk in taxes. 4. If you make an auction that only one corp can bid on with a start of 1m isk... what did you expect? Those are 4 simple bits of common sense you ignored. This will be addressed in Revelations 1.4. Till then, this is a valid game mechanic and the only thing I can recommend is that you do as Ionia says. Sorry, Oveur, but it's another point where CCP "invented" a game mechanics perfectly for scammer when you can do an auction (definition: a BUNCH of people bid for one item where the highest bidder wins) for 1 person and are NOT able to cancel the auction when you figure out it's a scam. Try to make an auction on whatever auctioneer like ebay for 1 person? will it work? Actually, No because an auction implies the presence of more than 1 person or the whole public. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:11:00 - [64] and to all the folks yelling "do the tutorials!!oneeleventy!".. how about You go peeking through the tutorials and see just how helpful and informative they are on Contracts and Auctions.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:23:00 - [65] Absolutely despicable...
OneSock	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:44:00 - [66] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 16/02/2007 15:01:45 Originally by: Oveur This will be addressed in Revelations 1.4. Till then, this is a valid game mechanic and the only thing I can recommend is that you do as Ionia says. Sorry, Oveur, but it's another point where CCP "invented" a game mechanics perfectly for scammer when you can do an auction (definition: a BUNCH of people bid for one item where the highest bidder wins) for 1 person and are NOT able to cancel the auction when you figure out it's a scam. Try to make an auction on whatever auctioneer like ebay for 1 person? will it work? Actually, No because an auction implies the presence of more than 1 person or the whole public. I agree. It was poorly implemented. Any auction system should allow you to set a hidden reserve and to cancel the auction if not met. CCP already state they are going to fix it, so implication is it's an exploit and normal exploit rules should apply. That said, you've got to be a bit dim to fall for such a scam.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:57:00 - [67] Oveur himself stated that its a valid game mechanic. So its not an exploit. I dont know how many of you frequent sell orders forum, but the general consensus there is that hidden reserves, auctions that get cancelled when the seller wants to etc are extremely lame and need to be fixed. CCP actually implemented such a system (that has a lot of other problems though) and now everyone is whining for it to be changed into something that is already there: sell orders forum: Hidden reserve (even if you forgot to mention it! You can still say "sorry out of luck, im not selling"), no obligations for either the buyer or the seller etc. And what would a hidden reserve helped anyway? The problem is that everyone who fell for it thought there are taxes, while in truth, there are no taxes. How stupid does one need to be to actually set a private auction? Well it happens. How stupid does one need to be to lobby to remove it? It is obviously a tool that has been created for something entirely different then item exchanges (corp / alliance management, especially in 0.0). How many safety stickers do you need? Thats like trying to run a level 4 mission in a bustard, then whining on the forums to remove t2 industrials from the game.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:57:00 - [68] Oveur himself stated that its a valid game mechanic. So its not an exploit. I dont know how many of you frequent sell orders forum, but the general consensus there is that hidden reserves, auctions that get cancelled when the seller wants to etc are extremely lame and need to be fixed. CCP actually implemented such a system (that has a lot of other problems though) and now everyone is whining for it to be changed into something that is already there: sell orders forum: Hidden reserve (even if you forgot to mention it! You can still say "sorry out of luck, im not selling"), no obligations for either the buyer or the seller etc. And what would a hidden reserve helped anyway? The problem is that everyone who fell for it thought there are taxes, while in truth, there are no taxes. How stupid does one need to be to actually set a private auction? Well it happens. How stupid does one need to be to lobby to remove it? It is obviously a tool that has been created for something entirely different then item exchanges (corp / alliance management, especially in 0.0). How many safety stickers do you need? Thats like trying to run a level 4 mission in a bustard, then whining on the forums to remove t2 industrials from the game.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:01:00 - [69] Edited by: c0rn1 on 16/02/2007 15:58:04 Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Oveur himself stated that its a valid game mechanic. So its not an exploit. I dont know how many of you frequent sell orders forum, but the general consensus there is that hidden reserves, auctions that get cancelled when the seller wants to etc are extremely lame and need to be fixed. CCP actually implemented such a system (that has a lot of other problems though) and now everyone is whining for it to be changed into something that is already there: sell orders forum: Hidden reserve (even if you forgot to mention it! You can still say "sorry out of luck, im not selling"), no obligations for either the buyer or the seller etc. And what would a hidden reserve helped anyway? The problem is that everyone who fell for it thought there are taxes, while in truth, there are no taxes. How stupid does one need to be to actually set a private auction? Well it happens. How stupid does one need to be to lobby to remove it? It is obviously a tool that has been created for something entirely different then item exchanges (corp / alliance management, especially in 0.0). How many safety stickers do you need? Thats like trying to run a level 4 mission in a bustard, then whining on the forums to remove t2 industrials from the game. Incorrect: CCP made something which is absolute bull because a coder thought he can safe time and apply all attributes you got to an item exchange to an auction which actually is absolutely reluctant to the meaning of an auction. This is a coding error and as Oveur said will be fixed. => Exploit rules should apply here Cheers x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:01:00 - [70] Edited by: c0rn1 on 16/02/2007 15:58:04 Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Oveur himself stated that its a valid game mechanic. So its not an exploit. I dont know how many of you frequent sell orders forum, but the general consensus there is that hidden reserves, auctions that get cancelled when the seller wants to etc are extremely lame and need to be fixed. CCP actually implemented such a system (that has a lot of other problems though) and now everyone is whining for it to be changed into something that is already there: sell orders forum: Hidden reserve (even if you forgot to mention it! You can still say "sorry out of luck, im not selling"), no obligations for either the buyer or the seller etc. And what would a hidden reserve helped anyway? The problem is that everyone who fell for it thought there are taxes, while in truth, there are no taxes. How stupid does one need to be to actually set a private auction? Well it happens. How stupid does one need to be to lobby to remove it? It is obviously a tool that has been created for something entirely different then item exchanges (corp / alliance management, especially in 0.0). How many safety stickers do you need? Thats like trying to run a level 4 mission in a bustard, then whining on the forums to remove t2 industrials from the game. Incorrect: CCP made something which is absolute bull because a coder thought he can safe time and apply all attributes you got to an item exchange to an auction which actually is absolutely reluctant to the meaning of an auction. This is a coding error and as Oveur said will be fixed. => Exploit rules should apply here Cheers x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
CmdrThor	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:13:00 - [71] cough you can't do a private auction for one person cough
CmdrThor	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:13:00 - [72] cough you can't do a private auction for one person cough
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:15:00 - [73] Originally by: thesulei Afaik, Entity got scammed out of a Silver Magnate the same way...a lot bigger loss than your vindicator. He did? Ouch.. kinda ironical thou Welcome to Caldari-Online You FINNISH nub? Join PERVS!
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:15:00 - [74] Originally by: thesulei Afaik, Entity got scammed out of a Silver Magnate the same way...a lot bigger loss than your vindicator. He did? Ouch.. kinda ironical thou Welcome to Caldari-Online You FINNISH nub? Join PERVS!
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:16:00 - [75] Originally by: c0rn1 This is a coding error and as Oveur said will be fixed. => Exploit rules should apply here A very good point. Regardless of how daft the OP was in the first place or how much pain I feel for him or not... If its being fixed doesn't this mean its not valid? If there is nothing wrong with it then why change it unless its either an exploit or something that isn't working as intended? If your changing this because of either of the above does this mean he should get this scam stopped? I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:16:00 - [76] Originally by: c0rn1 This is a coding error and as Oveur said will be fixed. => Exploit rules should apply here A very good point. Regardless of how daft the OP was in the first place or how much pain I feel for him or not... If its being fixed doesn't this mean its not valid? If there is nothing wrong with it then why change it unless its either an exploit or something that isn't working as intended? If your changing this because of either of the above does this mean he should get this scam stopped? I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Timeto Die	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:39:00 - [77] The worst thing the OP must be feeling is that this swindle is a long drawn out "can I do anything?" over six days. Normally you lose a ship, get scammed, whatever. Feel the pain, but the job is done and you move on. In this case, the OP can do nothing but sit and want as that billion ISK drip, drip, drip away, until the auction finally ends.
Honneamise Amarr Biotech Industries	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Decimo Meridio Edited by: Decimo Meridio on 13/02/2007 00:04:45 I'm been swindled on a contract. I've a vindicator for sale. Pvp'er contacted me and said me that he'll buy it at buyout price (1B). He said me that to lower taxes, i've to made a private auction contract to his corp (pvp'er corp), starting bid 1M and buyout of 1B. I know that I'm a noob, but i've done it. Now he has already done a bid, so i can't cancel theauction. But it's a swindle, he'll never take the buyout, so i only want to cancel my contract! This is the chat we had: Please, at least I want to cancel my order! http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/7945/contrattopt4.jpg http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4600/pvperdl9.jpg Your fault . ciao.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:17:00 - [79] Originally by: c0rn1 Incorrect: CCP made something which is absolute bull because a coder thought he can safe time and apply all attributes you got to an item exchange to an auction which actually is absolutely reluctant to the meaning of an auction. This is a coding error and as Oveur said will be fixed. => Exploit rules should apply here Cheers What? Did you actually read what i wrote? Do you have anything to say? I did read what you wrote, and i dont understand it. Where is the coding error? Attributes of an item exchange? er what? And Incorrect? Sorry but Oveur himself stated in this very thread that its valid. As for changing it ... well, so far we dont know how it will be changed. Of course exploit rules apply here: Someone exploits your incredible stupidity => you get ridiculed on the forums for whining about it.
OneSock	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Maestro Ulv If its being fixed doesn't this mean its not valid? If there is nothing wrong with it then why change it unless its either an exploit or something that isn't working as intended? If your changing this because of either of the above does this mean he should get this scam stopped? Bang on the mark. If CCP are planning a "Fix" then it is not working as they intended. If they are planning an "enhancement" to the current system then current mechanics are valid and tough luck to the OP.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:24:00 - [81] Dont use the system, do direkt trades. Ship lovers click here
Qevan	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:57:00 - [82] Anyone who thinks PvP happens just in ships and lowsec and war targets and 0.0 is totally wrong. OP, unfortunately, got totally ganked. But learnign about it helps the rest of us figure out how to avoid making the same mistake in the future!
Alz Shado Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 18:04:00 - [83] Allow the contract to be cancelled until the last 24h. If the seller chooses to opt-out of the auction, he must forfeit 10% of the buyout price, payable to the current highest bidder. I think that addresses all these issues.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.02.17 00:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Alz Shado Allow the contract to be cancelled until the last 24h. If the seller chooses to opt-out of the auction, he must forfeit 10% of the buyout price, payable to the current highest bidder. I think that addresses all these issues. I like this idea. It would stop people just quitting auctions merely because it hasn't made the money they wanted and could easily increase the bidding amount. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Helix Fluxx Caldari Contempo Enterprises	Posted - 2007.02.18 05:44:00 - [85] Sucks to be the OP but you got caught out there. The point about Eve that some people are missing is that the RPG bit of MMORPG stands for Role-Playing Game. Look it up. You're pretending to be someone else. Basically, just as you can be in real life, you can get scammed in game. It's perfectly valid. So why all the bleating, exactly? Hopefully enough people have by now read about various scams both IRL and on these forums concerning in game scams. What worries me is that people still don't learn.
Rockmonkey Zwei	Posted - 2007.02.18 07:08:00 - [86] Originally by: OneSock I agree. It was poorly implemented. Any auction system should allow you to set a hidden reserve and to cancel the auction if not met. CCP already state they are going to fix it, so implication is it's an exploit and normal exploit rules should apply. Absolutely not. Reserves suck and are unnecessary. Set your minimum bid at the mininum you're willing to receive. That way there's no need to cancel an auction unless no one is bidding on it at all.
petergriffen Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.18 07:12:00 - [87] Poor guy, I feel for the OP. PVP'er tried to pull the same stunt on me Friday evening. I'm working on it!
Nikura	Posted - 2007.02.18 08:17:00 - [88] I have a couple of recommendations that work. CRY!! You will feel better after. Come to the realization that you didn't lose anything. You actually gained the experience of a very important lesson. Thinking before taking any action. Forgive the person who did this to you. You will be a better person if you do. And never do this to someone else. You will sleep better.
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.02.18 15:20:00 - [89] Edited by: Malicia Skirj on 18/02/2007 15:18:12 This is how the Rumor Mill starts getting cranked up. Oveur didn't say it's an error and will get fixed in Rev 1.4. He said it's a perfectly valid game mechanic and will be addressed in Rev 1.4. As similar as those two sound there are two completely different meanings there. As far as we know "addressed" might mean adding something to the tutorial in an effort to help people avoid it more. The fact that this is an auction really makes no difference in my mind. The OP basically said, "You can buy it for 1 mil if no one else bids or 1 bil if you want it now". No one forced him. This isn't even much of a scam. Minimum bid of 1 mil is pretty cut and dry. I'd say the OP got swindled by his own greed. "Ooooh....I can make the sale NOW and not pay taxes if I do it this way! I'm blind to everything else with all these ISK signs in my eyes. :D"
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:12:00 - [90] I find this quite funny. It sucks for the OP, and it will NOT be ended early for him or reimbursed because it's a legitimate game mechanic. Never ever ever ever ever trust anyone in EVE that you don't know IRL, and even then you should be suspicious. One of my buddies logged onto my account and cleaned my wallet out before I left Korea. Luckily he didn't know about my alt char who keeps all my principle ISK in the corp bank. :P
Vaen Dragon	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:43:00 - [91] Same thing happened to me once (actually 13th of this month) i cursed myself silly for falling for such an obvious scam....... It happens and sometimes you have to cut your losses, me i lost a Navy Issue Megathron probably never see one of those again, It was my own greed that got me into this trouble and lost my corp the above ship that we had worked hard to get!! Mate at the end of the day you can only blame yourself....... I have since declared war on this scammer (Lucy Pew) and i have spread the word on on what she does. Good Luck

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