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Aluka 7th
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Posted - 2016.04.02 08:54:40 -
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Remove Data Sheet requirement for Copying Higgs rig BPOs!! This was removed for all other rigs before Higgs existed and somehow it got back into game with Higgs BPO introduction. Probably copy paste error from old database. |
Ruby Burke
Lazerhawks
0
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Posted - 2016.04.02 11:03:46 -
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I'm not convinced this will be enough since people might just roll without higgs rigs in their yachts, but at least it's a change that also affects rolling T3s and not just yachts. I'm holding my breath for now and we'll see how it'll work out I guess... |
Narthe Raytei
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
10
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Posted - 2016.04.03 14:31:11 -
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So now instead of rolling 70m mass, they roll 60m.... as they can still fit a 100mn.
gg CCP you really thought that one through. |
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
170
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Posted - 2016.04.03 19:48:25 -
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i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.
Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you. 1. open fitting window 2. rip the higgs rig 3. peace out
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Ruby Burke
Lazerhawks
0
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Posted - 2016.04.05 09:34:01 -
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Tim Nering wrote:i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.
Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you. 1. open fitting window 2. rip the higgs rig 3. peace out
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Yes, with medium higgs only costing ~1 million isk or so that is not even an expensive thing to do... especially since you only have to do it if a bubble is actually up. |
XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
1
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Posted - 2016.04.08 11:21:31 -
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To change the ability to fit a higgs anchor on a luxury yacht and not be able to fly nullified its okay, but to remove this ability from T3-¦s is bad, the risk to use a T3 with higgs anchor is much bigger, a yacht cost 100m and you dont loose a skill if you die, using a T3 cost +-500m ISK and loosing a skill if you get catched should be enough effort to be able to fly nullified with higgs anchor.
Anyways, if you can jump through a wormhole and you can just destroy the higgs anchor in the time you are cloak after jump its not a solution for this because guys just adapt this ability and will have enough higgs anchor riggs to refit with them.
The only thing i see here is risk vs. reward with yacht rolling wormholes is almost zero risk at all.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2391
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Posted - 2016.04.08 13:05:30 -
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Tim Nering wrote:i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.
Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you. 1. open fitting window 2. rip the higgs rig 3. peace out
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You cannot unfit a rig without a mobile depot or SMA.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Winthorp
3832
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Posted - 2016.04.08 13:29:11 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Tim Nering wrote:i love that this is being looked at but there is one huge problem... this change doesnt fix anything even with a higgs rig. here watch.
Jump hole, the entire meme squad is there with bubbles up to gank you. 1. open fitting window 2. rip the higgs rig 3. peace out
=\ You cannot unfit a rig without a mobile depot or SMA.
LOL, lay off the crack pipe son.
You can do it without any of that, you can even do it cloaked. |
Ransu Asanari
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
491
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Posted - 2016.04.10 17:01:15 -
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Someone brought up a good point that we may want to take into account with the rolling T3 Strategic Cruisers. I'm not sure if there is a rebalance of the T3 Cruisers that will address this, but I thought I'd bring up this scenario.
We may want to consider making it impossible to fit the Interdiction Nullification subsystem if a Higgs anchor is fitted. The reason, is that you can warp to a hostile hole (if it's not bubbled both sides), run the 100MN AB, jump through, then destroy your Higgs anchor and warp off cloaked and nullified on the side the fleet has hole control.
Then just Mobile Depot, put another Higgs rig on, and repeat. This won't be a problem with the Yachts, because they won't have the cargo space to fit a stack of Higgs anchor rigs. But the rig is only 10m3, so a rolling T3 could hold a stack of them easily.
This is still slightly worked around by carrying the subsystems and refitting on the fly, but it'll be a lot harder if the Interdiction Nullification subsystem can't be fit at all, because it'll take up more space in the cargo. |
XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.04.11 11:07:10 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:Someone brought up a good point that we may want to take into account with the rolling T3 Strategic Cruisers. I'm not sure if there is a rebalance of the T3 Cruisers that will address this, but I thought I'd bring up this scenario.
We may want to consider making it impossible to fit the Interdiction Nullification subsystem if a Higgs anchor is fitted. The reason, is that you can warp to a hostile hole (if it's not bubbled both sides), run the 100MN AB, jump through, then destroy your Higgs anchor and warp off cloaked and nullified on the side the fleet has hole control.
Then just Mobile Depot, put another Higgs rig on, and repeat. This won't be a problem with the Yachts, because they won't have the cargo space to fit a stack of Higgs anchor rigs. But the rig is only 10m3, so a rolling T3 could hold a stack of them easily.
This is still slightly worked around by carrying the subsystems and refitting on the fly, but it'll be a lot harder if the Interdiction Nullification subsystem can't be fit at all, because it'll take up more space in the cargo.
For sure you whrote that because you dont like that i close Thera all the time if its close to my home ^^ But i tell you, it will change nothing, because when this changes are coming then i just take 10 closing yachts accounts without higgs and close it anyways... |
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Luscius Uta
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
210
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Posted - 2016.04.11 12:02:26 -
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I'd prefer if you just nerfed Yacht's powergrid since the whole problem came from Yachts, not from Higgs rigged T3s and Interceptors. But Fozzie has his own way of doing things.
Workarounds are not bugfixes.
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Zamyslinski
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
17
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Posted - 2016.04.13 10:39:40 -
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higged nullified t3s are more common than yahts by now and they are simply not killable. we encounter them all the time and we werent able to kill a single one so far |
Odessa Day
Velocette.
1
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Posted - 2016.04.13 14:28:08 -
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Got to this party too late!
I think a lighter touch would be for
1. Higgs rigs to double decloak range
2. Double how far they throw you from the hole
3. Half the Yachts agility
just my 2 cents |
aldhura
Bartledannians Nite Owls
37
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Posted - 2016.04.14 00:45:04 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello folks! We're ready to announce another change we're planning on making for our Citadel release next month, this one relating to Higgs Anchor rigs and interdiction nullified ships. Over recent months we have been seeing an increase in the use of interdiction nullified cruisers (especially the Victorieux Luxury Yacht) combined with Higgs Anchor rigs for rolling wormholes. This is a very clever and effective use of the game mechanics, but arguments have been raised that it is currently too strong. This topic was raised by the CSM at our most recent summit, and we have been taking a closer look at it since then. Corbexx started a discussion thread on the wormhole forums for this topic after the summit, and I want to thank everyone who participated in that debate. We generally prefer to leave creative uses of game mechanics in place if possible, but sometimes certain mechanics combine to create unhealthy situations that must be changed. We've been watching closely as tactics involving rolling yachts have evolved over the recent months, and have determined that this meta is heading in a harmful direction. Excellent posts like this one from Axel Stenmark were especially helpful when we were making our decision. Our current plan is that as of the Citadel release, fitting a Higgs Anchor rig will disable any Interdiction Nullification on the fitted ship. This means you will continue to be free to use the Higgs Anchor on Yachts, T3 Cruisers and Interceptors, but that while the rig is fitted those ships will be susceptible to non-targeted interdiction effects (bubbles) like a normal ship. Players will also be able to continue to roll wormholes with non-higgs Yachts and Strategic Cruisers while enjoying the benefits of cloaking and nullification, but will take twice as many jumps to close a hole. We will be keeping a close eye on how this change impacts the wormhole meta, and will be ready to step in and make tweaks as necessary. Thanks and happy Truthful Friday!
How is this an any worse mechanic than miner bumping and hyperduncking ?? oh wait, the goonie CSM doesn't like it :/
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XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.04.14 02:07:51 -
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Zamyslinski wrote:higged nullified t3s are more common than yahts by now and they are simply not killable. we encounter them all the time and we werent able to kill a single one so far
Here we go, because you guys fail all the time you try it, this need a change
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XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.04.14 02:09:21 -
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Odessa Day wrote:Got to this party too late!
I think a lighter touch would be for
1. Higgs rigs to double decloak range
2. Double how far they throw you from the hole
3. Half the Yachts agility
just my 2 cents
I like the idea with the "double decloak range", but your second idea is not really working because everyone want to be as far as possible spawn away from the wormhole...
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Ooohhmmm
suicide b.y cop
1
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Posted - 2016.04.15 13:20:58 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Our current plan is that as of the Citadel release, fitting a Higgs Anchor rig will disable any Interdiction Nullification on the fitted ship.
Thanks and happy Truthful Friday!
Isnt this kind of "shoting fish in a barrel using shotgun" approach to a limited issue. Imho this easy fix, will have an impact of gameplay in the know universe you havent even began to consider, limeting the very creative gameplay mentioned. All because One ship in One small setting is used creativly.
If this is how you problem solve, you should make scamming agains the euala to help new players. And believe me, new player scam, has lost you thousands and thousands of potential players over the years |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2777
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Posted - 2016.04.15 13:33:08 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:I'd prefer if you just nerfed Yacht's powergrid since the whole problem came from Yachts, not from Higgs rigged T3s and Interceptors. But Fozzie has his own way of doing things.
I'd like to know what are the other use for higgs on nullified T3 and inty since apparently, this change affect other play style. |
XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:14:45 -
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Fozzie wrote in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5159286#post5159286 :
Quote:We expect that this will have a few somewhat niche uses right away for miners and residents of wormholes (especially lower-class holes) and that players can come up with more creative ways to use it over time.
Now:
Quote:This is a very clever and effective use of the game mechanics, but arguments have been raised that it is currently too strong.
Quote: Our current plan is that as of the Citadel release, fitting a Higgs Anchor rig will disable any Interdiction Nullification on the fitted ship.
Ok, but take away abilitys to be nullified when Higgs anchor fitted is just making them useless for all the guys they found out the clever use of it in case of closing wormholes |
XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.04.25 12:58:52 -
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Patch notes for EVE Online: Citadel Released on Wednesday, April 27, 2016
Quote:Higgs rigs will now negate interdiction nullification.
Thanks for not listen to players ccp...
My adaption: creating new accounts, inject skillpoints for using fitt for closing yacht, close wormholes like before |
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NotTheSmartestCookie
new order logistics CODE.
128
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Posted - 2016.05.10 10:46:30 -
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XSANATOS wrote:.... My adaption: creating new accounts, inject skillpoints for using fitt for closing yacht, close wormholes like before
So you are now playing with more accounts? That will certainly show CCP who is boss! Keep up the good work.
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XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.05.11 02:04:48 -
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NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:XSANATOS wrote:.... My adaption: creating new accounts, inject skillpoints for using fitt for closing yacht, close wormholes like before So you are now playing with more accounts? That will certainly show CCP who is boss! Keep up the good work.
New accounts are almost free since skill extractor farming toons...
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2546
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Posted - 2016.05.11 10:57:53 -
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XSANATOS wrote:NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:XSANATOS wrote:.... My adaption: creating new accounts, inject skillpoints for using fitt for closing yacht, close wormholes like before So you are now playing with more accounts? That will certainly show CCP who is boss! Keep up the good work. New accounts are almost free since skill extractor farming toons...
I bet you also think the minerals you mine are also free?
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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XSANATOS
Bane and Pain Limited Expectations
19
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Posted - 2016.05.11 15:53:35 -
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I like the way you troll around... TBH idk about isk... The only thing what changed here is they changed something what changed nothing at the end... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2819
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Posted - 2016.05.12 13:14:56 -
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XSANATOS wrote:NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:XSANATOS wrote:.... My adaption: creating new accounts, inject skillpoints for using fitt for closing yacht, close wormholes like before So you are now playing with more accounts? That will certainly show CCP who is boss! Keep up the good work. New accounts are almost free since skill extractor farming toons...
CCP still turn in more money because of your alts. You are effectively validating their change with extra income. |
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