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Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. 578	Posted - 2011.12.18 06:42:00 - [91] - Quote Grey Stormshadow wrote: I remember some thread where CCP stated that using synergy or similar is "ok", so that pretty much clarifies this thread. Just don't end up to his primary. The thread where they stated that synergy was ok as long as it didn't do the same action across multiple clients, yes I remember that one too. Also, I remember the OP of that thread posting pictures of his setup where he had built a contraption allowing him to move 9 mice at once and click them, this was found to also be against the EULA. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 46	Posted - 2011.12.18 09:13:00 - [92] - Quote Rakshasa Taisab wrote: Grey Stormshadow wrote: I remember some thread where CCP stated that using synergy or similar is "ok", so that pretty much clarifies this thread. Just don't end up to his primary. The thread where they stated that synergy was ok as long as it didn't do the same action across multiple clients, yes I remember that one too. Also, I remember the OP of that thread posting pictures of his setup where he had built a contraption allowing him to move 9 mice at once and click them, this was found to also be against the EULA. No it wasn't CCP told him his setups where fine, check his website for details.
Anazzar Howling Stones Mining Corporation 0	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:00:00 - [93] - Quote Interesting to see that the Eve community reacts selectively to pay to win scenarios (this being pay to win x20). Regardless on whether he is paying for the accounts for someone else is via plex I don't see how different this is than "gold ammo" in that you pay real money for an ingame advantage (or someone else does and you buy it off him for isk). Although I can't really rally against it myself as I am familiar with the advantages of two accounts on dual monitors to the point I am considering a third.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 1541	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:15:00 - [94] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: In any other game, that is bannable. Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... You don't know because you're a cretin. That is all. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 250	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:27:00 - [95] - Quote What this guy is doing is the 21st century equivalent of the Jefferson polygraph that allowed him to write duplicate letters in one stroke of the pen. There's nothing wrong with this, IMO. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 344	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:50:00 - [96] - Quote If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

War Kitten Panda McLegion 379	Posted - 2011.12.18 13:56:00 - [97] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) Your ability to play the game comes about from automation. It takes a computer to interpret your monkey-like key presses and mouse clicks and turn them into an intelligible stream of 0's and 1's that the EVE server understands. If you're so against automation, why don't you start hand-crafting your own data packets and sending them? You have "paid to win" by using network protocols and fancy-schmancy CPUs to do all the work for you. The difference between automation of multiple accounts and botting is that botting takes feedback FROM THE GAME and makes decisions on what input to send. Multiboxing takes input entirely FROM THE PLAYER. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Marlona Sky Caldari Provisions Caldari State 201	Posted - 2011.12.18 14:34:00 - [98] - Quote I honestly have no issues with this as long as he is at the keyboard. I actually came across his army in low sec yesterday right before my event. Thought for sure his clone army would show up to it. Flight of a Thousand Rifters: A Player Event
Arbiter Reformed Saiph Industries SRS. 8	Posted - 2011.12.18 15:15:00 - [99] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: I honestly have no issues with this as long as he is at the keyboard. I actually came across his army in low sec yesterday right before my event. Thought for sure his clone army would show up to it. aww idd i miss that? lame how did it go? as for the over 9000 acccount guy, if nothing else it seems to be doing his grandmas health some good, if perhaps not her wallets. (surley she has better things to buy)
Orlacc Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2011.12.18 15:54:00 - [100] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: In any other game, that is bannable. Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... Is your sub up soon?
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 111	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:02:00 - [101] - Quote Professor Alphane wrote: Good luck to the guy I say. Gotta say though I'd love to see this imagined mechanical device, that some people have used in there arguements, that could do the same thing. That would be some mechanical monstrosity. At the end of the day I feel a lttile sorry for him, most of the fun to me is the sense of comradary, achievment is sort of secondary to my mind. When he says ' I bust 3 monitors in a rage over some problem' or somesuch you got to think , stable much?. Also 'My gran gave up smoking so I could blag more of her money of her' ... er ye man get a grip fella, apply these talents you got to doing something a little more than entertaining yourself, and maybe support yourself at the same time. you know the guy we are talking about, has a web page and on that web page he has that thing you wish to see on it last time i was by there I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Spectre80 The Knights Templar R.A.G.E 33	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:04:00 - [102] - Quote i dont like that playing game like that is possible, but thats all im gonna say to this topic.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 553	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:08:00 - [103] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. BEATS HEAD ON DESK HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US MISTER COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE!!!!! Why even bother to post in this thread? do you guys have an aversion to making declarations or something? do you guys not ALL know the basic rules? Why is a specific question so fooking hard for you guys to answer without a petition being sent in? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 111	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:08:00 - [104] - Quote idk if someone linked this or not but any way https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/home - this is the man you so jelly of, and he will troll the **** out of you on that page I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 193	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:49:00 - [105] - Quote Morganta wrote: CCP Phantom wrote: If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. BEATS HEAD ON DESK HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US MISTER COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE!!!!! Why even bother to post in this thread? do you guys have an aversion to making declarations or something? do you guys not ALL know the basic rules? Why is a specific question so fooking hard for you guys to answer without a petition being sent in? Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that... All GëíGêçGëí Ships \| GëíGêçGëí - sñÜpüÅpü«sÑçsªÖpü¬péópéñpâåpâá \| <-- Links to ShowInfo in-game FX7 - No Tax... No Rules... No Problem
oldbutfeelingyoung VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants 38	Posted - 2011.12.18 16:54:00 - [106] - Quote a ccp respond in six pages
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 69	Posted - 2011.12.18 19:05:00 - [107] - Quote Gogela wrote: Morganta wrote: CCP Phantom wrote: If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. BEATS HEAD ON DESK HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US MISTER COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE!!!!! Why even bother to post in this thread? do you guys have an aversion to making declarations or something? do you guys not ALL know the basic rules? Why is a specific question so fooking hard for you guys to answer without a petition being sent in? Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that... Would had worded it differently but, yeah. Looks like he once again just glanced over the topic (which has been beaten to death btw) and placed a copy pasta reply here. About the beaten to death thing, look it up on the old forums. It's officially approved what he does.
Jojo Jackson Dead Red Eye 17	Posted - 2011.12.18 21:34:00 - [108] - Quote While I don't suport multi boxing he just uses "The Power Of Two" which is advertised by CCP. Except he uses power of (power of (power of (power of (((((...... )))))))). Defakto it IS "Pay to Win" as he pays 20*~15Gé¼ = 300Gé¼ /month to not need other players. But as I used 3 acc once too ... what should I say? I merged my 3 chars to 1 acc now so I'm out of this. But there are MANY, who have at last 2 acc. The problem is, it is relativ hard to detect, if someone creats several acc and would need some real afford to track it. - verify real name and data when creating an acc - compare e-mails if used several times - track IPs - compare bank data if used several times - much more to cover all posible connections. And some of this actions would clearly be against data protection laws of several countrys (well, except the US, they handle personal data like bitches). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Paragon Renegade Offensive Logistics Inc 150	Posted - 2011.12.18 21:51:00 - [109] - Quote I can't believe people hate on P2W in NeX...........but not this........ The pie is a tautology
Nawt Ovarpwiced Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.18 22:29:00 - [110] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: In any other game, that is bannable. Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... Actualy, wiseguy it's not. Just like IRL you cant sue/arrest the rich guy because he owns 10 porsche boxters and you're jealous/cannot afford the same. He can afford the equipment (15 computers and screens, if you take a look at his rig) He's using all legit/CCP OK'd software (Why is it allowed? It can be achieved with no software at all with a crude setup such as this : http://pichaus.com/-keyboard-hack-mmorpg-@29e444e5427174486071410640806f2b/ - notice, all it is is taping the mice/keyboards together so when one mouse moves they all move?) Eve is not the first MMO or the last that's got "these" kind of gamers http://caleb.is-a-god.com/s4shouldermissing.jpg http://www.pagguild.com/images/misc/multibox001.jpg Haters gunna hate?
Karth Mentis Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.12.18 22:38:00 - [111] - Quote They see me rolling and they hatin'
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 27	Posted - 2011.12.18 22:51:00 - [112] - Quote Jake Peters wrote: I'm not sure if someone posted this link already but here is his multibox setup...looks expensive!! thank you for posting a link, I just love looking at that <3
Disdaine 40	Posted - 2011.12.18 22:51:00 - [113] - Quote Nawt Ovarpwiced wrote: Just like IRL you cant sue/arrest the rich guy because he owns 10 porsche boxters and you're jealous/cannot afford the same. Wonder what happens to that guy when he goes for a drive with broomsticks taped to the steering wheels or remote control software linked to his car. Quote: (Why is it allowed? It can be achieved with no software at all with a crude setup such as this : http://pichaus.com/-keyboard-hack-mmorpg-@29e444e5427174486071410640806f2b/ - notice, all it is is taping the mice/keyboards together so when one mouse moves they all move?) Except that it really can't be achieved mechanically, otherwise he wouldn't need to use automation software. He was limited to 6 clients with his mechanical setup and the whole thing would break down if a couple of mice tracked a speck of dust and fell behind the other ones. Then you'd have to stop, remove the mouse from the group, try to resync it with the other mice, then insert the mouse back into the bundle. Sounds kind of unfeasible. Guess that's why he uses automation software. So the software reads the input from the keyboard and mouse, replicates the keystrokes, and reads the input from the mouse and tells the other clients were to click on the screen. Without OCR or memory injection there's a whole host of things that could be done this way. Guess that's ok too.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 379	Posted - 2011.12.18 23:08:00 - [114] - Quote Gogela wrote: Morganta wrote: CCP Phantom wrote: If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. BEATS HEAD ON DESK HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US MISTER COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE!!!!! Why even bother to post in this thread? do you guys have an aversion to making declarations or something? do you guys not ALL know the basic rules? Why is a specific question so fooking hard for you guys to answer without a petition being sent in? Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that... Forum moderator =/= Game Master. Next dumb question? This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
NeoShocker Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 30	Posted - 2011.12.19 00:30:00 - [115] - Quote A question. Which one of his characters is his main? Or all of his chracters is his main? :O I'm betting its the latter.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 235	Posted - 2011.12.19 01:23:00 - [116] - Quote I say more power to him for thinking outside the box. Nothing illegal with what he's doing. Wish I had a rich Grandma too.
Toshiroma McDiesel Lupus Draconis Dragehund 7	Posted - 2011.12.19 02:58:00 - [117] - Quote Gogela wrote: Morganta wrote: CCP Phantom wrote: If you suspect someone violating our TOS, please file a petition. Please do the same if you wonder if your gameplay is legit and within our rules, best you do that before you act. BEATS HEAD ON DESK HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US MISTER COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE!!!!! Why even bother to post in this thread? do you guys have an aversion to making declarations or something? do you guys not ALL know the basic rules? Why is a specific question so fooking hard for you guys to answer without a petition being sent in? Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that... Keep pounding, If that didn't clue you in on the policy, your probably already so dense that your won't do any damage to your skull. What he is saying that questions about set ups are between the player and CCP. If you think someone is "Exploiting", you petition them...as per the rules of the game. If you are worried that you might be "Exploiting" but are unsure...petition it and get a ruling from CCP. You don't whine about it on forums.....there is enough whining on here already. I make the sharp pointy things that you use to make things go BOOM! -áWithout me, you wouldn't have those sharp pointy things, and without you, I wouldn't have a reason to make those sharp pointy things.
Ai Shun State War Academy Caldari State 55	Posted - 2011.12.19 03:19:00 - [118] - Quote Nawt Ovarpwiced wrote: He's using all legit/CCP OK'd software (Why is it allowed? It can be achieved with no software at all with a crude setup such as this : http://pichaus.com/ The bold / underline part is what we need to know. Assuming his site is correct (Big assumption, I know) he had the following response from CCP: Quote: Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA. I can't see why it would be against the EULA if you are at the keyboard. It is only when you are not director that things turn sour.
Nawt Ovarpwiced Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 03:26:00 - [119] - Quote Disdaine wrote: Nawt Ovarpwiced wrote: Just like IRL you cant sue/arrest the rich guy because he owns 10 porsche boxters and you're jealous/cannot afford the same. Wonder what happens to that guy when he goes for a drive with broomsticks taped to the steering wheels or remote control software linked to his car. Quote: (Why is it allowed? It can be achieved with no software at all with a crude setup such as this : http://pichaus.com/-keyboard-hack-mmorpg-@29e444e5427174486071410640806f2b/ - notice, all it is is taping the mice/keyboards together so when one mouse moves they all move?) Except that it really can't be achieved mechanically, otherwise he wouldn't need to use automation software. He was limited to 6 clients with his mechanical setup and the whole thing would break down if a couple of mice tracked a speck of dust and fell behind the other ones. Then you'd have to stop, remove the mouse from the group, try to resync it with the other mice, then insert the mouse back into the bundle. Sounds kind of unfeasible. Guess that's why he uses automation software. So the software reads the input from the keyboard and mouse, replicates the keystrokes, and reads the input from the mouse and tells the other clients were to click on the screen. Without OCR or memory injection there's a whole host of things that could be done this way. Guess that's ok too. As for the jealousy concept, he'd have more luck with that if he posted a pic of him playing eve on something like this : http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=images/newspics/16dec11/18.jpg Only thing I'm jealous of is his eyesight at being able to read the UI on his top monitors.
Nawt Ovarpwiced Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 04:29:00 - [120] - Quote fuuuuu forums cbf typing again...

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