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Alara IonStorm 632	Posted - 2011.12.17 18:59:00 - [31] - Quote Zevina wrote: Actually I find this very funny and cool at the same time. Someone thinking outside the box, nice one. Thinking outside of 25 Boxes to be precise.
Apollo-Moor xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire 29	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:02:00 - [32] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: In any other game, that is bannable. Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... I've never heard of multiboxing being "illegal" in most games. Especially those like EVE where each account has to be active which means he sustaining 15 paid accounts.. Can't have trial accounts and paid open at same time on one rig/top without some second hand work. How he's paying or making enough isk to maintain is another story.. There's a multiboxing cleric in my guild on Rift who runs around with his 5 accounts with one keyboard and mouse. Paying for each account so Trion has no real problem and unlike EVE he can't RMT as easily to pay. So more than likely comming out his own pocket.. EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing..
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 417	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:08:00 - [33] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: mkint wrote: lol, is it any surprise that the most trolling defenders of botting in this thread are from alliances that profit more from RMT than anyone but the russians? Surprise surprise. Actually, we are just collectivelly laughing at your inability at making a profit from something that is available to everyone, and quite easy to do i might add, and perfeclty legal to use.. Technically you're not turning a profit when you spend 20000$ on a NASA mainframe just to win at EVE http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t710/pd with less than a quarter of that you can run 25 clients with a slightly modified version of this sucker. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Fix My Lasers Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:11:00 - [34] - Quote Ghoest wrote: Freezehunter wrote: In any other game, that is bannable. Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... Team wizzy was never banned from DAoC. Why dont you go make up stories alone and keep them to yourself? Damn... DAoC was the best. Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html
Hainnz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:15:00 - [35] - Quote Looking at the replies, I wonder why this is considered acceptable while other pay to win scenarios aren't.
mkint 475	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:16:00 - [36] - Quote Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. )
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 49	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:23:00 - [37] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) If I hire 20 servants to play my 20 accounts and shout orders at them to do what I say "Jump"; "Fire" etc, this would fall under botting too according to your definition. And if we go as far as that, aren't all FC's botting than as well? Fleet members all do what the FC says; "Fire", "Warp to X", "Jump", etc? Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 417	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:25:00 - [38] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) Multiboxing requires your time and your dedication to be there operating the entire thing. Botting does not. It is as simple as that and if you find something wrong with it than i suggest you get something more worthy of your attention to be mad at. Because CCP sure doesn't mind. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 566	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:27:00 - [39] - Quote mkint wrote: What I do know is that this famous CCP endorsed botter uses 1 keyboard and mouse (and yes, I've seen the pics of his setup) to automate gameplay on multiple accounts by reproducing movements on one account. The technical side is irrelevant. He's playing 1 account and botting dozens of others. It's not automation, it's forking of inputs. Automation is "smart" (some degree of adaptability, ability to follow directives, anything like that), what he does is as "dumb" as it can be (merely entering the same commands on all boxes). What he does is essentially a virtual/electronic version of an elaborate mechanical contraption containing 25 mice and 25 keyboards. Since the mechanical system would be perfectly legit, and since the virtual one is practically the exact same thing, no, it's not TECHNICALLY botting, it's not even macroing (and limited forms of macroing, like that provided by G15 keyboards or such ARE ALSO ALLOWED). He's also highly susceptible to slight differences in timings from one box to another box, distance differences and so on and so forth. Plus, when one of them pops... ouch. Krios Ahzek wrote: Technically you're not turning a profit when you spend 20000$ on a NASA mainframe just to win at EVE Well, you don't need a 20k machine, you could be using 25 cheap separate machines. Built minimalistically, you could get one EVE box down to 300$ easily, which means you're "only" spending about 7500$ on it. In fact, one slightly less cheap machine could run EVE at a barely palatable framerate while serving 4 clients with minimal graphic detail, so you could probably bring your costs down to 100$ per account, or barely 2500$ total. Which is how much some people actually spend on a single machine to run EVE in absolute max detail on multiple monitors with. And since you're duplicating inputs, you could do it all with a single monitor (although, the more you use, the better feedback you get). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Messoroz AQUILA INC 83	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:29:00 - [40] - Quote There's a similar guy in wormhole space who ran 10+ accounts in carriers, he would basically blob c5 sites with a chimera army.
Temuken Radzu Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:31:00 - [41] - Quote You can say rather that he is not in a corp, he IS the corp
Apollo-Moor xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire 29	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:34:00 - [42] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) LoL Rookie Empire botting? Lol Okay, well you come on down to catch region and see how much botting we do.. LoL wait till I get on TS with that one And yes I post on my main.. No need to hide behind an alt forum name.. If you knew what botting was you'd understand it takes no human interaction other than hitting the play button. It will mine, rat, POS up and all types of **** whether you're AFK or not. When you multibox one KB and mouse you click and the command is registered by all clients. The thing is you actually have to input commands yourself. Nothing will be done without clicking Again seperate from botting because you have to do nothing other than DL set the program right and forget. You should try to understand the difference between the two first before raging on everyone who comments on it.. Multiboxing is not new and is basically just having muliple clients open. He does have the advantage of not having to ALT TAB or whatever. If he's on multiple computers it even easier.. Rookie Empire botting! LmBaO.. okay.. right
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 566	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:35:00 - [43] - Quote I say CCP should embrace this and give us a "multiple account single user mode client". As in, built-in support for this AND MUCH MORE inside the client. Call it the "EVE real-time strategy client" >:) Basically, you merge as many accounts into a single login as you like (paying sub costs proportionate to number of accounts) and get to command as many pilots at the same time as you like, Command&Conquer style. :P P.S. The same interface should be presented to fleet, wing and squad commanders, with each pilot in the same solar system figured in. The only difference being you tell them what you WANT them to do, but instead of it happening, they get dynamic HUD objectives they have to actually enact to the best of their abilities. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 49	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:37:00 - [44] - Quote Akita T wrote: I say CCP should embrace this and give us a "multiple account single user mode client". As in, built-in support for this AND MUCH MORE inside the client. Call it the "EVE real-time strategy client" >:) Basically, you merge as many accounts into a single login as you like (paying sub costs proportionate to number of accounts) and get to command as many pilots at the same time as you like, Command&Conquer style. :P I'd love a function to switch between characters of several accounts without once logging out. As in, no client reboot requited. Just switch like you're switching between PI planets. Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 417	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:39:00 - [45] - Quote Akita T wrote: I say CCP should embrace this and give us a "multiple account single user mode client". As in, built-in support for this AND MUCH MORE inside the client. Call it the "EVE real-time strategy client" >:) Basically, you merge as many accounts into a single login as you like (paying sub costs proportionate to number of accounts) and get to command as many pilots at the same time as you like, Command&Conquer style. :P P.S. The same interface should be presented to fleet, wing and squad commanders, with each pilot in the same solar system figured in. The only difference being you tell them what you WANT them to do, but instead of it happening, they get dynamic HUD objectives they have to actually enact to the best of their abilities. Don't push it. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 546	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:42:00 - [46] - Quote its not botting if you are at the controls its not a bot fleet because all 25 accounts respond to the user input and only the user input no matter how its connected to the clients his biggest problem is due to the method of control he uses, all the accounts have to have the same password that he types into all 1000 clients from one keyboard to me that's a dangerous way of living, especially with 10,000 accounts at stake you'd think with 25,000 accounts he'd crash the node when he logs in The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 319	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:42:00 - [47] - Quote Akita T wrote: mkint wrote: What I do know is that this famous CCP endorsed botter uses 1 keyboard and mouse (and yes, I've seen the pics of his setup) to automate gameplay on multiple accounts by reproducing movements on one account. The technical side is irrelevant. He's playing 1 account and botting dozens of others. It's not automation, it's forking of inputs. Automation is "smart" (some degree of adaptability, ability to follow directives, anything like that), what he does is as "dumb" as it can be (merely entering the same commands on all boxes). What he does is essentially a virtual/electronic version of an elaborate mechanical contraption containing 25 mice and 25 keyboards. Since the mechanical system would be perfectly legit, and since the virtual one is practically the exact same thing, no, it's not TECHNICALLY botting, it's not even macroing (and limited forms of macroing, like that provided by G15 keyboards or such ARE ALSO ALLOWED). Now I'm imagining the clockpunk version of that setup. It's awesome. Look upon my posts, ye mighty, and despair.
mkint 475	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:43:00 - [48] - Quote Apollo-Moor wrote: mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) LoL Rookie Empire botting? Lol Underlined the important part... that part wasn't directed at you specifically, just making a general response to a theme of justifications for botting. Although there is no reason to assume someone in any specific corp can't or wouldn't bot, just like you wouldn't assume someone wouldn't be a child molester just because they are in a specific religion.
Apollo-Moor xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire 29	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:55:00 - [49] - Quote I understand your source of discontent. I am very against botting but being a multiboxer myself.. I can't be purely against it.. Although I don't have a one KB-n-Mouse set up.. He is playing a dangerous game in many aspects and wouldn't survive like that in 0.0. Could you imagine all (what are we up to now?) 30,000 of his clients landed on a good gate camp.. or warped his fleet into some bubble camp.. He'd alpha the **** outta people but boy the tears would overflow and a misclick at a bad time..
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 546	Posted - 2011.12.17 19:58:00 - [50] - Quote how you send input to the proper port of the client machine is outside the scope of the EULA welcome to having the right to own and maintain your own infrastructure and hardware as you wish without interference from software manufacturers. Now go get a job and you could be a big deal too seriously, get a freekin clue. if you are playing eve, you are playing eve, no matter if 1, 2, 10, or 100 accounts. no modification to the client or data = no foul The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 417	Posted - 2011.12.17 20:19:00 - [51] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) LoL Rookie Empire botting? Lol Underlined the important part... that part wasn't directed at you specifically, just making a general response to a theme of justifications for botting. Although there is no reason to assume someone in any specific corp can't or wouldn't bot, just like you wouldn't assume someone wouldn't be a child molester just because they are in a specific religion. Take the post with least amount of words against your own arguments, quote it and reply completely disregarding everything that has been argumented by everyone else. Why isn't everyone here just like Tippia? Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Nullbeard Rager Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2011.12.17 20:27:00 - [52] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: mkint wrote: Riley Moore wrote: mkint wrote: He's a botter. Report him. He uses software to automate the controls of 40 accounts. Not automate, copy. BIG difference. Every action that happens still required a keypress. No... only 1 action on 1 one of his accounts requires a keypress. The rest are bots programmed to AUTOMATICALLY mimic the lead. So you're telling me that there are people who play EVE who aren't tech savvy enough to understand the basic principle of broadcasting? Go back to WoW, son. Mhmm...
Feligast GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 483	Posted - 2011.12.17 20:33:00 - [53] - Quote mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: mkint wrote: Apollo-Moor wrote: EDIT: Botting/Automation and multiboxing with one KB and mouse are not the same thing.. The difference being automating through "multiboxing" has some halfassed justifications. It is still automation. It is still things that are flat out impossible to do in the same timeframe without special automation software/hardware. The justification "anyone could do it" that some are spouting out is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Anyone can go to any botting software website, download that crap, and bot like crazy as well. That must mean you consider it okay, which must mean that you probably do it yourselves, which is probably worth a CCP investigation (if only the security guy didn't work for goons. ) LoL Rookie Empire botting? Lol Underlined the important part... that part wasn't directed at you specifically, just making a general response to a theme of justifications for botting. Although there is no reason to assume someone in any specific corp can't or wouldn't bot, just like you wouldn't assume someone wouldn't be a child molester just because they are in a specific religion. Yet you can freely assume that when someone shows you the flaw in your logic, they must be botters themselves. Cute.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 141	Posted - 2011.12.17 20:55:00 - [54] - Quote He must be a seriously bored guy... So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á Why should I keep paying to play this game?
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 253	Posted - 2011.12.17 21:45:00 - [55] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Why it's allowed in Eve, I do not know... Because CCP can do the math. 15 subs per month, 180 subs a year, all from the same dude. Doesn't matter if he pays in cash or PLEX, a sub is a sub.
Paragon Renegade Offensive Logistics Inc 149	Posted - 2011.12.17 21:55:00 - [56] - Quote "CCP! We hate 'pay-to-win'! We demand you not do this!" Occupies Jita "Nah, this guy paying for 25 accounts is fine" lmfao The pie is a tautology
Jita Alt666 659	Posted - 2011.12.17 22:17:00 - [57] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: "CCP! We hate 'pay-to-win'! We demand you not do this!" Occupies Jita "Nah, this guy paying for 25 accounts is fine" lmfao Pay 2 win is paying for an advantage that other account holders don't have. In what does each of Zhek's accounts gain an advantage over each of mine, or each of anybody else I know?
Paragon Renegade Offensive Logistics Inc 150	Posted - 2011.12.17 22:22:00 - [58] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: Paragon Renegade wrote: "CCP! We hate 'pay-to-win'! We demand you not do this!" Occupies Jita "Nah, this guy paying for 25 accounts is fine" lmfao Pay 2 win is paying for an advantage that other account holders don't have. In what does each of Zhek's accounts gain an advantage over each of mine, or each of anybody else I know? He commands 25 times the number of ships a single player can normally, because he pays for it. The pie is a tautology
Selene D'Celeste The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six 151	Posted - 2011.12.17 22:23:00 - [59] - Quote Logic courses should be part of basic education; are not; film at 11. Visit www.eohpoker.com and enjoy EVE's oldest ISK gaming service!
Aggressive Nutmeg 52	Posted - 2011.12.17 22:44:00 - [60] - Quote The unquestionable mantra of the EVE forums: "EVE is NOT a single player game" Yeah, right. Time to get a new religion, folks.

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